Wednesday, February 25, 2009

Last Night's Sierra Madre City Council Meeting

I've been wanting to try something different. Rather than me setting the agenda, I thought I'd open it up and invite everyone to discuss what they thought were the most important or interesting things that happened at last night's Sierra Madre City Council meeting. If you were writing the posts for this blog, what would you have discussed this morning?

35 comments:

  1. Always nice to see Eagle Scouts get honored.

    Don Watts calling attention to the fact that the Congregational Church owns vast amounts of downtown property they don't pay taxes on.
    MacGillivray suggesting their two residential properties be thrown out of the institutional zoning, they need to stay residential. All their current institutional property will stay zoned as such.
    The council all voted this in...a fair judgement for all concerned.

    Mayor Zimmerman's comment at the end of the meeting.....wants the council to discuss SCAG.
    It's about time. Sir Eric has exposed this bogus bunch many times on this blog.

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  2. Sierra Madre business ownerFebruary 25, 2009 at 10:35 AM

    The King Cong church seems insatiable - just how much of the town do they need? I am worried about their master plan, but grateful to the council for keeping watch, especially Councilman Watts. He is very good at keeping us informed when expansion/acquisition plans are in the mix.

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  3. What I noticed was a lighter, more positive atmosphere without the presence of Mr. Buchanan, who finds it impossible to edit his long-winded comments. He makes the meetings much longer than they need to be, and will really drag things down in pointless minutia - as though he's stalling for time. Watch out when he says, "I don't really care, but...." or "I don't have much of a position one way or the other, but..."

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  4. John was there, right? Showed up at the last minute?

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  5. OK, Sir Eric, the Congregational Church.
    What's their history in town?
    What kind of income for the city do they generate?
    Was there involvement in the DSP? If so, what kind?
    Are there really mega-church aspirations?
    What was Mayor Zimmerman talking about when he said he'd like to know who in the city made the problem the council was trying to correct. He made a point of saying it's not anybody in Development Services now.
    What does the church want to do eventually?
    And for another column - the low/no income medical services - that's got some problems.

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  6. Curly, John did show up, but not for maybe 45 minutes - there was definitely a different atmosphere. And when he did get there, supporters of the church said oh good.

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  7. Ahh. But I take it John did not answer their prayers?

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  8. Maybe he would've if he could've - but it was a little awkward to refute the benefit to the city in keeping those houses as residential...

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  9. Day,
    yes! I remember now, the Mayor commenting about that development dept. pulling a fast one, under the radar. That had to be that Jay guy, he was a real nasty little man. Used to be very rude to seniors who went in to ask for material.
    I'm sure glad he is gone. Dan Castro is way better, at least he is a polite man, and doesn't talk down to the residents.
    We have a lot better city staff than we used to have.
    A lot better city council as well.
    We're lucky in this economy to have these good people working for us.

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  10. The spokesperson for the CONG said the church had no plans for the residential lots. NOT TRUE Less than 10 minutes later he said he had just been informaed (yeah he didn't know)that they were going to build on half of the lot and later it came out the rest of the lots were going to be used for parking needs of the MEGA development. Maryann was very smart in pulling those properties out of the institutional zone. Hopefully now the city will require their master plan to provide adaquate parking without using the residental. I wish there could be deed restrictions against parking on those properties. It will come up again...they are not finished.

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  11. Was there notice given that the properties would be changed from institutional to residential? I'm concerned about that because it may be required and without it, the action could be invalidated. I hope I just don't know the whole story.

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  13. Sorry Roia, I'm an idiot & read your comment wrong. There wasn't notice given that way - but I don't think there needed to be - the council agreed to remove the lots from the church's request group, because those lots were already residentail, and in compliance with State something.

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  14. Does anyone know when the lots were changed to institutional and became out of compliance?

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  15. Look for an article on the Congregational Church's subterfuge in the morning.

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  16. Brandley sure helped them out when he was on the planning commission. Me thinks I smell a rat.

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  17. I would like to know if the Congregational Church is an asset or liability for the City of Sierra Madre?
    I know their congregation is primarily from out of town.
    The people who do the dealings, including Margie Simpson are a problem. They are closely associated with Bart Doyle and always, always support dirt candidates and/or agendas. During Measure V, Margie had a "coffee" at her home on Carter for opponents of Measure V, with guest speaker, former Mayor and bad person, Bart Doyle. I belive less than one handful of people showed up.
    Margie along with Forrest Harding also submarined the Friends of Sierra Madre's valiant effort to stop the One Carter housing development. Instead of protecting their RPSM followers, they betrayed them. Including Chris Davis, who donated a large amount of money($10K) to stop the houses, and I never heard if she ever got it back.
    Not nice people.
    As for Ron Brandley, he is not a nice man. He alledgedly resigned from the Planning Commission rather than have the State of California Attorney General question him about his conflict of interest votes on downtown development. When this man ran for city council in 2006, at the candidate's forum he announced, publically, "the people don't need to vote on downtown development, that is what we have a city council for" The people wisely did not elect him to city council.
    I for one will be very interested in reading Sir Eric's article tomorrow. People need to be aware of these people's hidden agenda.

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  18. We might be getting to an "all hands to the middle" moment here. If these people did an end run around our elected officials, then we've got a serious problem to deal with.

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  19. In defense of Ron Brandley.....who I personally dislike for a good reason......He actually should have been elected to the city council in 2006. He told the truth at the candidate's forum and it cost him the election.
    Newcomer in town, Joe Mosca lied from the get go. Looked us in the eye and LIED.
    Joe took money, time and energy from dozens and dozens of people who believed him. He cheated us all. I wish Ron Brandley had won.
    We would have got him to recuse himself on every downtown vote, just as Beth Buck and her dirts threatened Don Watts with law suits if he voted on One Carter or Stonehouse, because he had once worked for Dorn Platz, Don quit Dorn Platz when he discovered their real plans.
    Watts apologized to the people at that forum, and they believed him. He told the TRUTH, what a concept!
    Sierra Madre should be in the national news headlines....we have THREE ELECTED OFFICIALS who are honest and work for the people!
    God Bless...Don Watts, Kurt Zimmerman and MaryAnn MacGillivray.

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  20. Wish I'd voted for Bill Tice instead of Joe. The man
    was right and is as honest as the day is long.

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  21. 21 posts here and not one person uses their real name, feable at best, cowardly if nothing else.

    Rod Diener

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  22. If you want to know who these posters are, all you have to do is look at the audience during City Council Meeetings. They're not hiding.

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  23. Rod, baby. You may have lived here a long time, but obviously you've had your head in a place where your eyes are of little use. People here in Sierra Madre have had their mailboxes blown up, cars trashed, children defamed, and been personally bullied. Especially older people. All for stating their personal opinions in places such as this. And look, you've made this observation several times now. If you don't like the way things are conducted here, may I invite you to look to the upper right hand corner of this blog? There is a button there that allows you to start your own blog. All you have to do is push it. Please do so. And then you will be free to tell everyone how to conduct their business. Maybe you could call your blog "I'm the Mommy Now." It seems to be the role you relish.

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  24. Rod, Sir Eric has explained why people don't use their names on this blog, except in rare instances where it's necessary.
    Many of us have been targets of the dirts.
    You foolishly used your name, Rod Diener, I instantly found out where you live, that you are the manager of Bean Town, which explains why you stick up for Mosca (a customer). Fair enough. I even found other blogs you make to political boards.
    Fortunately for you, most of us on this blog are not vindictive thugs.
    I won't stop patronizing Bean Town....yet.....
    If I were you, I would cease with the knocks on people who don't use their name.

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  25. I have some sad news. Rod only has one friend

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  26. I left Beantown 2 years ago, as far as the conduct of other people is concerned, I will not be coerced or influenced by these folks ( the mailbox blower uppers and the car trashers etc..) I refuse, I will continue to use my name. I don't know who the "dirts" are, sounds like you got an axe to grind with them though. So you found out where I live, so what, are you implying something with that statement, I hope not. Someone told me about his blog so I checked it out, posted some opinions, killed some time.

    Rod Diener

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  27. Rod Rod Rod I know you, you're a nice guy. Quit asking why people post anonymously, you've been told a half dozen times. The "dirts" are a tribe of Sierra Madreans who put their names on the front web page of the Downtown Dirt, run by Beth Buck, who was a paid consultant of the No on V committee. Buck didn't do it for love, like Sir Eric.
    The Downtown Dirt trashed any resident who advocated or gave information to the public about Measure V. Most people think the dirts have money invested in two big downtown projects, their names are hidden in LLCs. If you wanna talk about anonymous, go after the names in those LLCs.

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  28. Thanks for the info, but I'm still gonna use my name, who are you?
    Rod Diener

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  29. Rod - You keep saying the same thing over and over. Please, for the sake of keeping this blog interesting, find another topic. Because if you don't I will have to start deleting your posts. I don't want to do it. And certainly your exchanges with the smoking Mussolini Brothers was very enjoyable reading, but you're like a broken record on the names thing. Anonymous posting is as much a part of blogging as keyboards and computer screens. Like I said before, if you're not happy here go start your own blog. And by the way, you and I have run into each other maybe 50 times. If you're interested in finding out who I am, e-mail me at the Tattler site. I'll sit down and buy you a coffee at Beantown. I want you to stay here and keep posting, but you got to get past this one thing. Last warning.

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  30. Perry... where did you dig that picture up from, what was I thinkin?, with the stained glassish border, yikes! I was a realtor here in town for awhile, hated it, not my thing, I probably did it then. Actually I have many, many friends here in town,I love this city. I used to travel all over the US on business, and no matter where I was, I couldn't wait to get back here, there really is no place like Sierra Madre. Like I said earlier, I used to manage Beantown, and it's a rumor mill in their amongst the locals, I stayed neutral in the discussions when I was there, good for business. The folks here on this blog seem to be pretty passionate about your opinions, love it, democracy in action! And, ok, ok, I get it.. I do apolagize for calling people cowards, had no idea some folks were being, or had been harrassed. But I'm gonna stick to my guns though, "these colors don't run" and all that, but i can understand:0)

    Are these "dirt" people still around, if so, what are they up to? if not, where did they go? As I drive through town, past Howies and the old SNF, it's sad, what's gonna become of these properties, I hope that the parties involved can sit down and in calm and measured manner, with proper planning and oversite come up with something that will enhance the city, all that potential just sitting there doing nothing.

    And "Old Kentucky" I dont work there anymore, I went back into heavy construction, Ironworkers Local 416 (little better money ;-) and yes I do know Joe from Beantown, I know ALOT of people from Beantown, I know him on a level as customer\server level with some chit chat in between and actually being the type of person I am, I would have stuck up for ANY of my customers, even you, whoever you are, know matter their political bent or there dealings with other people, you got your axe to grind with Joe, so be it, it's your axe, you grind it. Also your post/message sounded a little threatening, I hope not, that I don't take lightly, let's not go down that road. Well, now that you folks know what I look like, if you see me sippin' coffee either at Starbucks or Beantown stop and say hi and we can talk about topic d'jour, I mean that.

    Rod Diener

    Rod Diener

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  31. Rod Diener I don't think that post was threatening, I think a blogger was just trying to establish that you are a resident.

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  32. The properties you mention are the way they are because owners wanted to go massive density - 55 condos on one site, 70-plus at another. You should know that from Beantown.

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  33. I know 'why' they are like that, the 64K question is, what's gonna happen to them, I sure hope Taylors sticks around, best meat in the Valley, it's a shame the market bugged out of their so fast, we could use another market in town.

    Rod

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  34. The quality of Taylor's meats is first class.

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