They helped give us SB 375 and a public education system teetering on the edge of collapse. They also gave us 10's of billions in dollars in debt, so large an amount that they have been forced to issue Confederate-style scrip to keep up the lights on. And who knows, the way things are going in Sacramento maybe instead of a tax refund next year they'll just send you a manilla envelope stuffed with California Lottery "Scratchers." You know, where you can win the big jackpots?But now, just to show you that Napoleon the XIV wasn't the most insane make-believe ruler of all time, they're about to top all of their own already considerable accomplishments. The California State Legislature looks to be in the process of making the 710 Tunnel a reality. People don't want it, we can't afford it, environmentalists shudder, and some engineers think it will shatter with the first decent earthquake to come along, but hey! What's the problem with all that stuff when there's business to be done?
LA Curbed.com has now posted a story reporting that the 710 Tunnel is just sailing along in Sacramento. And the Assembly that just can't spend enough, or bend over far enough to please the construction trades lobbies (among many others), is about to maximize their madness one more time.
"A bill that would ensure any connection made between the 710 and 210 freeways is underground just passed a 10-0 vote in the Assembly's transportation committee - the third unanimous vote by a policy committee according to the office of state senator Gilbert Cedillo. The LA politician is a sponsor of AB 545, which if passed, could resolve a 50-year dispute over how to plug up the hole in the two freeways ..."
Now if we were dealing with a real government here, perhaps the cost - which apparently is staggering - would be at least considered. Particularly in the face of California's ballooning debt. But we are talking about Sacramento, so any consideration of the rational is probably inappropriate. And apparently an unidentified writer over at LA Weekly's LA DAILY blog is suffering from just such an unfortunate addiction to reality:
"An underground passage, which would involve twin, 4.5 mile long tunnels, has increasingly seemed to be a somewhat acceptable workaround to a project that has been suspended but never killed. The problem is that tunneling underground is so expensive that one wonders if the action by the Assembly's Transportation Committee was a serious gesture or, even, a maneuver intended to kill the project by making it too expensive to undertake."
Far from it for me to be droll, but I would not in any way ever think that a fear of over-spending on the Assembly's part would somehow prevent this tunnel from being built. And the next time the LA Weekly hires a writer to cover Sacramento they really need to consider someone with a stronger background in Science Fiction.
With Caltrans, SCAG, and the usual development lobbies all lining up behind this project, my guess is passage of a bill that would push this 710 Tunnel to fruition seems assured. The real purpose behind this tunnel is to speed the delivery of products landing at the ports of Long Beach and San Pedro inland to market. And the way things are today is not at all pleasing to trucking companies, big box retailers, and the powerful foreign manufacturing countries that so generously lend this country their money. I mean, you didn't think that our being the greatest debtor nation this world has ever seen wouldn't have at least a few consequences now, did you?
The next time you are in Wal*Mart checking out the many bargains to be found there, think of it this way. If the 710 tunnel was in existence now, most of the stuff there would have traveled through it.
And the consequences of this tunnel's completion will be devastating to the San Gabriel Valley. La Canada's Valley Sun spells this out clearly:
* An increase of 25% or more daily traffic on the 210 Freeway
* An additional 30,000 vehicles per day on the 210
* Some 850 more trucks per hour (8,500 trucks per day) on the 210 than we already see today
* Gridlock on the 210 where it passes through our cities, forcing traffic onto local streets and boulevards.
And where does this information come from?
All of this (and more) is a scenario as seen by Erik Zandvliet, traffic engineer for the city of La Canada Flintridge, after he reviewed the draft "I-710 Missing Link truck Study" presented recently by the Southern California Association of Governments.
Knowing that these figures were prepared by SCAG makes me wonder if perhaps the real consequences (noise levels, air pollution, environmental impacts, traffic congestion) won't be far worse.
In a commentary piece published on the Glendale News Press's website, Bill Weisman had a lot to say about how the State Senate is working this one. I'll cite a passage, but you really should follow the link and read the entire article.
Such legislation has been introduced by State Sen. Gil Cedillo in the form of Senate Bill 1350. Among other comments, the nonpartisan legislative analyst has said "this bill provides little or no opportunity for public or legislative scrutiny prior to the award of what would be a very large, very complex, very innovative contract," and, "Given that this project has been on the books for decades, the committee may wish to consider whether a hasty review of this bill is prudent and necessary."
With CEQA review having been removed from redevelopment considerations in SB 375, and SB 1350 informing us that as far as the 710 Tunnel goes we can just butt out, it is becoming quite obvious that Sacramento has gotten a little tired of the democracy thing getting in the way of business.
Bill Weisman also goes on to note that this bill is opposed by the Consulting Engineers and Land Surveyors of California (they think it might be unconstitutional), the cities of La Canada Flintridge, and South Pasadena, and the Planning and Conservation League. The only registered supporter? A paid lobbyist named Nat Read and his 710 Freeway Coalition. In case you are blissfully unaware, Nat is a former cop who became known for writing poetry about the rigors of life in law enforcement.
So if just about everyone impacted and involved is against the 710 Tunnel, why is it in the process of being made the law in Sacramento? There is just one answer that I can think of. Only money makes their world go around. Your concerns are of little importance.
I don't get it Sir Eric?
ReplyDeleteIf SB375 will rid us of "urban sprawl" and eventually most of the population will live in 5 story "ant colonies" then why do we need this SB375?
Our state government seems to think it is immune to the wishes
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please. And unfortunately they really seem to have it in for us.
This is a quote taken from the text of the bill analysis:
ReplyDeleteFISCAL EFFECT: Unknown; however, the Senate Appropriations Committee analysis points out that a bored tunnel is likely the most costly option for constructing this project (compared to any surface or above-grade project). To the extent that this bill removes the possibility that this project could be constructed using a less expensive option, this bill would
create cost pressures potentially in the hundreds of millions of dollars.
According to the author, he has introduced this bill to fulfill "a commitment made to the City of South Pasadena that would ensure that there would never be a surface-route solution for
710 corridor."
There was no registered support or OPPOSITION to this bill.
There were no no votes in either the Senate or Assmebly.
It sure seems that way 7:55.
ReplyDeleteSeems the State is not letting a "good crisis" go to waste.
The State is bankrupt, so let's rush to push through that damn tunnel! No matter if we ruin South Pasadena and everywhere else surrounding it.
They (the politicians) just don't give a damn. they no longer count on the donations of their district's constituents, they don't need us, they get big $$$ from the BIA and other big lobbyists.
The local politicians in Sierra Madre did this in 2007......they were against the people's ballot measure V........the No on V campaign in Sierra Madre got almost NO DONATIONS from residents. It was all from the out of town Building Association (Bart Doyle) and the California Realtors Association.
The Yes on V campaign had less than $30,000 to try to fight the big lobby money.
We won....because what they wanted to do was so outrageous, even the big money couldn't convince the majority of residents of Sierra Madre.
I feel so badly that the people of South Pasadena have this terrible thing happening to their beautiful city.
Pasta - Both bills are now working their way through their respective committees. As you can see by the 10 to zip vote in the Assembly Transportation Committee this baby is just a-chugging along. All the opposition being shown in these parts seems to be having no effect whatsoever.
ReplyDeleteI've been trying to find a government from history to compare with what we find in California these days, and the only comparison I can find is probably a bit too provocative. But look at it this way, when is the last time corporations and powerful economic interests worked so closely with a government as attuned to their needs as Sacramento is today? And at the complete and total detriment of the voters? The only one that I can find that matches closely is Italy during the time of Mussolini.
ReplyDeleteAny others come to mind?
Sounds like South Pas wants this and to He!! with the rest of the valley. It probably will never be built because of the cost and the enviromentals involved. There is just a fraction of thte money set aside for this project and the costs go up daily. I don't think it will happen in my lifetime.
ReplyDeleteGovernment in California is a disaster. No other way to put it. Too many legislators get seats in comfortable gerrymandered districts and get way too comfortable. And I know all about term limits, but still its just the same party organizations supplying the same compromised candidates over and over.
ReplyDeleteSeriously, is Sacramento trying to ensure that we all die a slow and laborious death via lung cancer? I cycle several times a week in the San Gabriels. At altitude, it's easy to see the blanket of particulate matter that my deep breathing lungs have filtered. I mean, 850 more trucks per hour? That's just gross.
ReplyDeleteYeah, and those are SCAGs numbers, so you know the real data is probably far less enabling.
ReplyDelete...I don't get it Sir Eric. There is NO MONEY in Calif. Teachers are laid off. Schools were closed for the summer. The courts are closed on Fridays, and people were TOLD to take pay cuts. They printed IOU's in Sacramento last week...............WHERE in the HELL are they getting ANY money at all to pay anyone to do any work? ARE THEY PRINTING THEIR OWN MONEY IN THE BASEMENT AND NOT TELLING US? The City of LA is asking for donations to pay for the MJ Memorial, for heavens sake!!!! And the State wants to build a tunnel?! This is insanity, pure insanity? Are you sure that Bart isn't behind this toooo?
ReplyDeletePeople really need to gather and protest this one and DEMAND where the money is coming from and PAY for what is important first. Values, it all comes down to VALUES. SCREW SB375!!!
Actually, this bill only deals with the tunnel as a secondary issue. It says that IF a tunnel is built, it can only be a full bore tunnel and not "cut and cover" (except at the portals).
ReplyDeleteWhat the bill really does is removes the SURFACE freeway route from the state highway system, a huge win for South Pasadena. This is why they are in favor of it - they know full well that the tunnel is a long, long, long way away from reality (and, in fact, they have sued Metro because they included it in the Measure R list of projects, and chances are good that they'll win).
Hey FED UP at 10:28. I am the real FED UP and I did not post this. Find your own name. Although I don't disagree with you.
ReplyDeleteLocal Historian at 8:46
ReplyDeleteThe Bolshevik Revolution?
10:50 - Beg to disagree. I think what you are repeating here is the cover. Knowing that the opposition to the tunnel is nearly universal in the SGV, we now see cover legislation that takes the surface route out of the mix. But what I don't see anywhere is a guarantee that the tunnel won't suddenly become a big and burning push for Caltrans and the rest once this bill is passed. If anything, the current process enables it.
ReplyDeleteThere is more than one step to the process. And as we saw with SB 375 (son of AB32), the Sunday punch sometimes takes a minute to arrive.
The surface route was never going to happen. And saying we now have legislation that now bans it is like Sacramento taking credit for the sun coming up. It just confirms the obvious. The real agenda lies elsewhere.
Eric - there is no doubt what Caltrans wants. None whatsoever. But this bill takes the "bait and switch" off the table, i.e., the notion that if the tunnel falls through for whatever reason they'll just switch back to the surface route. So, from Caltrans standpoint, this is a baby step to getting buy in from the tunnel opponents, which includes South Pasadena, La Canada and, increasingly, Glendale. Official support for the 710 - surface and tunnel - is still fairly widespread.
ReplyDeleteBut, again, ridding the state highway system of the surface route is a big win for South Pasadena, since it will then allow Caltrans to surplus the properties they own and put it back on the tax rolls. There's a reason why Caltrans is seen as an "occupying army" in South Pas.
Make no mistake about 2 things: (1)the tunnel issue is a long, long way from resolution, and 2)the ability of Caltrans to do stupid things is bottomless.
South Pas is on record only in supporting "route neutral" technical studies. It won't take much for Caltrans to screw up.
Ehh, I have some trouble with that one. Rather than a bait and switch, doesn't this give Sac/Caltrans/SCAG etc the ability to say that all of this has been done because of your surface street concerns, now you must accede to the building of the tunnel? Remember, SB375 takes away all CEQA considerations because this is a transportation issue. There really isn't much to stop the tunnel now if Sacramento decides to do so, right? And certainly spending limits don't exist for the state no matter how broke we are.
ReplyDeletePardon the skepticism, but considering what is going on in this state these days, I think it is justified.
Policy for the entire state has been to accomodate as much housing as can be zoned for whether the communities want it or not. With assistance from Countrywide and AIG, the housing-on-steroids model has produced a worldwide recession due to the leveraging of debt on "trash" home loans ginned up to sell to anyone with a pulse, whether they're here legally or not. So California has become a dumping ground for all these bodies that create a consumer industry and burn up our resources, as well as over burden the education system and hospital networks that are rapidly failing. This model is frankly coming unglued, so perhaps this will create the necessary public backlash. The State policies are here
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Of course it's all driven by investments at the State and Federal level to create conditions for private profit across the country. That's unfettered capitalism for ya.
And wouldn't a brand new shiny tunnel help open up the San Gabriel Valley to a whole new generation of "development opportunities?" Pasadena to the 10 in a heartbeat.
ReplyDeleteGive us your huddled masses.
....to the REAL Fed up, we are all REALLY FED UP and I was just tellin' the truth, not stealin' your name.....didn't even know there was a copyright on you.....but, let's stick together and keep slow growth and maybe overturn SB 375, can that happen Sir Eric, after all it is not in the best interest of Calif....
ReplyDelete*An increase of 25% or more daily traffic on the 210 Freeway....so that also means a 25% decrease in traffic affecting surrounding freeways.
ReplyDelete* An additional 30,000 vehicles per day on the 210.....that also means 30K + not on surrounding freeways..lessening their burden.
* Some 850 more trucks per hour (8,500 trucks per day) on the 210 than we already see today... again 850+ trucks that are not on surrounding freeways..lessening the burden their.
* Gridlock on the 210 where it passes through our cities, forcing traffic onto local streets and boulevards....and where on the 210 does it not pass through our cities, that is the main function of a freeway..
I guess it's OK for other areas to shoulder the burden, but once it comes close to the Golden Arches of West Vally......OOOO NOOO we'll have none of that here. Their will be no NEW traffic or NEW pollution, it will be shifted, the cars and trucks that will be using the 710 are already on the road(s) I5, 134, 2, 10, 60, 110, 170, 118, 605 every day, 247365. :-)
jes sayin'
I'm reminded of the Native Americans wanting to go to where the white men came from because it would be less populated. It does not follow in the adult world that there will be a similar lessening of traffic on other freeways. Only in the rose colored glasses world.
ReplyDelete1:14 - Aww, now you're just being stupid on purpose. The 710 Tunnel is being built to help to facilitate the inconvenienced truck traffic from the Ports in Long Beach and and San Pedro. And if you get out your SCAG charts on the matter you will notice that this traffic is expected to keep increasing at a rapid rate. So any relief offered to those other routes into the bosum of America will be quickly obliterated by the increases. Also, with SCAG and the BIA cramming untold amounts of new housing into the SGV (and everywhere else for that matter), that advantage will be gone in a heartbeat as well.
ReplyDeleteBetter to do this:
1) Keep your grubby mitts off small cities and let them handle their own housing issues.
2) Require the importers of goods from the cheap labor markets to put their crap on trains. Cleaner, safer, and we wouldn't have to build any damned tunnels.
Question: I keep hearing that South Pas is happy with the tunnel being built. I know people there and that is not what I'm hearing. Has anybody heard differently?
ReplyDeleteThere are some politicians in South Pas of the same ilk as our very own Joe & John - in other words, capitulators to development interests, for the "sake of preservation" and to satisfy the demands of "the state" -you would think Joe was saying the name of God Almighty when he says "state".
ReplyDeleteSouth Pas activists have put up a tremendous fight.
Anybody have the names of the council members who betrayed them?
off topic
ReplyDeleteA new word has been added to the dictionary
Frienemy: A "toxic" person who poses to be your friend but is your enemy. Joe and John
Eric, anytime Caltrans is involved, skepticism is warranted. And healthy.
ReplyDeleteIronically, if South Pasadena wins the Measure R lawsuit - and chances are good - then the SB 375 CEQA exemption will no longer bail out the tunnel.
1:40 - it's an overstatement to say that "South Pasadena is happy with the tunnel." I'm sure that if/when the tunnel moves to a more serious design phase, there will be lots of controversy. Freeway fighters are against it, Council has some also against, others "noncommital." Caltrans may have fatally alienated one of the "noncommitals" a couple of weeks ago.
It's still a long, long ways away, and "time" is like giving Caltrans enough rope to hang themselves.
Better that we braid the rope. That
ReplyDeleteway there is no doubt.
3:02 thanks for those encouraging words.
ReplyDelete3:59 - how do you find any encouragement in those particular words? The bills are being considered in Sacremento by the Assembly and Senate. And as far as I know Caltrans doesn't have a seat in either body and therefore doesn't have a vote. To limit this to being a Caltrans questions seems, well, at best naive. It is far bigger than that!
ReplyDeleteHey Anonymous XIV, it's been a while.
ReplyDeleteYeah, encouragement might have been too strong - what I found maybe slightly hopeful was that the council is not bought & sold. I had heard that a majority was ready to take the money & dig.
We are so lucky here in Sierra Madre to have a council majority that can't be.....shall we say "influenced" by forces who do not have our best interests in mind, only their own best interests.
ReplyDeleteThere still are HONEST elected officials......we have 3 of them and they are a bi-partisan majority. One Democrat, One Republican and One Independent.
They aren't beholding to major political parties or big $$$$ special interests.
They be: Zimmerman, MacGillivray and Watts.
Can't say the same for the other two.....Mosca and Buchanan. They are so far down the one way road of the big development and political influence groups that there is no way they'll turn around.
Zimmerman, MacGillivray and Watts work on behalf of the RESIDENTS and TAXPAYERS of Sierra Madre.
I just wish all of our surrounding neighbors had honest elected officials, I wish our State had honest elected officials who worked for the people not special lobby groups. California would be in much better shape.
What ever happened to integrity in government???
I'm probably beating a dead lung here, but remember that the proponents of the tunnel know full well, readily acknowledge, increased emphysema and cancer rates around the tunnels.
ReplyDeleteThe Alhambra council member who was mentioned in some previous comments as a supporter of 710 is named Barbara Messina. From the San Marino Tribune by Winston Chua:
"Messina blames South Pasadena preservationist groups who never gave the green light for the completion of the freeway...Messina said that South Pasadena neglected the vital needs of its own city by filing continual lawsuits, many of them frivolous, to obstruct the construction of the freeway...She gives credit to South Pasadena for recognizing after many years that it was difficult for them to justify spending their city's hard-earned money in dead-end arguments and lawsuits."
The article finishes:
"Before construction is to begin, there will likely be a two year process to make sure environmental standards are met and proper permits are issued. These do not appear to be major concerns in getting the project finally off the ground."
Emphysema? Cancer? Not major concerns.
No they would not consider them major concerns Day.....unless one of the supporters of this greedy and wrong plan fell victim to Cancer or Emphysema or a loved one fell victim.....then would they change their faulty, self serving opinion.....you betcha.
ReplyDeleteBut then it would be too late, now wouldn't it?
I watched my mother die a slow miserable death from emphysema, wasn't a freakin' tunnel that did her in, nope, cigarettes did that number. 400,000 plus people a year, not a tunnel in sight...perspective honey, perspective....
ReplyDeletePolluted air kills. Read, learn, and work on your own perspective.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/07/070731085554.htm
Sir Eric at 1:30 pm on July 9 is correct. The rail freight companies have consolidated and dumped many "extraneous" and non-profitable rights of way, and now take advantage of the publicly-funded highways and underpaid truck drivers who drive dirty rigs to take up the slack. They should enhance their freight line capacity, but that would cost more money than freight charges would pay back, costs are cheaper using the public highways and there's no maintenance or liability on their books. Hence the 710 Tunnel with no offramps to anywhere, just a straight-through connection. So this will all get much worse when the economy revives in a couple of years and the port traffic starts to increase again.
ReplyDeleteDeep Throat was right, just follow the money.
9:23, your point would be since many people die from smoking, go ahead and increase pollution in other areas too?
ReplyDeleteIs that your perspective?
9:23
ReplyDeleteWhen a dirt (pro-development) doesn't have a good argument, they spin it, even if it is ridiculous.
Matters not if it is true or not.
So many arguments were expressed in this thread that it’s hard to know where to start. Let me simply comment on three assumptions in the original expression: “People don't want it, we can't afford it, environmentalists shudder, and some engineers think it will shatter with the first decent earthquake to come along.”
ReplyDeleteFirst, do people want it? According to all public polls on the subject, they want it badly: Voters in the City of Los Angeles favor completion by a margin of 5 to 1; San Gabriel Valley residents by 6 to 1; El Sereno residents by 2 to 1; Pasadena residents by 3 to 1 and Glendale residents by 2 to 1. Voters in La Cañada and South Pasadena are evenly split, with statistical error. Thus, there is NO city or political district where a public poll has found the voters/residents to be against it.
Second, can we afford it? There is good news here. Because the tunnel will be tolled, private companies are willing to pay most of the costs, a contribution of about two billion dollars according to the firms. With California’s budget crisis and the long list of pressing transportation needs, it’s good news that someone other than taxpayers is willing to pay the lion’s share of this project.
Third, what would the environmental impact of a tunnel be? According to the environmental studies (and let’s remember that the EIR/EIS process was designed by environmentalists!), the 710 completion above ground would have cut air pollution by over a ton a day; in a tunnel, every bit of air that is scrubbed before its release will make that figure even more dramatic. Completion will mean a savings of 35,700 gallons of unreplaceable fossil fuel every single day. Completion of the freeway will reduce vehicle miles driven in the region by a factor of nine times around the earth every day.
Fourth, how safe is a tunnel in earthquake country? The tunnel engineers we’ve heard argue that it’s safer to be in a tunnel during an earthquake than on the surface. They point to the Loma Prieta quake in San Francisco in which freeways pancaked but there was no damage to BART tunnels. Who’s your tunnel authority who says otherwise?
Wow. Nat Read has shown up. "All public polls." Can you name some of them? Where would it cut air pollution? It's a big world, junior. All that additional traffic in the SGV sure isn't going to cut anything but life spans. Can you get a little more specific? The "more traffic equals less pollution" equation being something many might question. Can you name the companies that have pledged to invest? We hear that one a lot, but never with anything approaching a credible cite attached.
ReplyDeleteAnd please, next time there's an earthquake, you crawl in the tunnel..
Long on the baloney, short on specifics here, spanky.
The real flaw in the above argument relates to how the proposed project would be funded....if "public works" are funded by private companies with an agenda that may or may not benefit the public, well you are left on a very slippery slope indeed.
ReplyDeleteI think the bill sponsored by Cedillo would do just that...privatize public projects and circumvent current open bidding requirements, etc. I am not surprised that Gil Cedillo would put forth such a proposal since he is going to effectively be out of office soon and is probably "shopping" for a private sector job until he can obtain under another gig working at the public trough....I mean getting wealthy off the taxpayers.