Wednesday, September 9, 2009

Did Councilman Mosca Forget His Manners Last Night?

Kurt Zimmerman missed last evening's City Council meeting, bedridden with the flu is the prognosis. But did the absence of that authority figure give Joe Mosca an excuse to act up as badly as he did? Goodness gracious, to see Mr. Perky devolve into Mr. Snarling Snippy was not a very pretty sight. So was it the real Joe we saw last night? Beyond that, why would anyone have that much of a problem with bringing in some of our great Sierra Madre Clergy folks to give the invocation at City Council meetings? As Mayor McGillivray pointed out, they do it in the United States House of Representatives. And did anyone count the number of times Joe used the term "no brainer" when talking about the Mountain Views "News?" It was hard to tell if he was talking about the City's advertising contract or, more appropriately, the paper's editorial policies.

When it comes to being a public embarrassment, Joe was the complete package last night. Maybe life in the lowest echelons of the Sacramento power structure isn't working out for him, and his emotions got the best of him?

Other topics were covered yesterday evening besides the invocation question. The Canyon Committee, the Canyon Building Moratorium and, of course, the Alverno situation being the three major ones in my opinion. And as far as Alverno goes, I can't help but wonder why everyone there just can't work this one out. We have this grand old institution here in Alverno High School, and we have a strong community of home owners who want to maintain their quality of life. Certainly there has got to be some way of coming to an agreement here. There are no bad people in this fight.

Alverno's neighbors might try looking at the situation this way. If Alverno High School were to financially succumb, pack up its bags and vanish, what would take its place? There are a lot of forces in this state looking for a place to park high density housing in Sierra Madre. Of either the low or high income persuasion depending on the roll of the dice. Or maybe even both. Consider the possible alternatives would be my advice. You could end up with something far worse than what you have now, and don't think there aren't those who would happily make that happen.

On the other hand, has Alverno taken the kind of responsibility it should in enforcing proper conditions on their property? The contention of those who spoke on behalf of the unhappy people in the neighborhood is that Alverno can, at times, be pretty much a for rent weekend party palace where the inmates run the asylum. Could it be that the tough opposition Alverno faces is of its own making? And now that there is something they need from a community whose concerns they ignored, their own indifference has come back to haunt them?

This is a City Council meeting post, and now is the time that I turn it into an open forum and let somebody else do the talking for a change.

49 comments:

  1. Personally I am glad Joe acted the way he did in front of such a large audience. It showed many residents "THE REAL JOE", not the thank you for being part of the process Joe or the call me and have a cup of coffee Joe. We finally got to the the face of Joe that normally only appears in closed council sessions. We got to see his very ugly, mean side which he tries so very hard to hide.

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  2. Buchanan and Mosca were upset about the canyon issue. They are not for any type of restrictions on any type of building. They work for developers and SB375 supporters, otherwise known as the political machine in Sacramento trying to destroy the State of California (read Sir Eric's article from yesterday).
    I think most of that audience last night picked up on the "what a jerk" sentiment in regards to the impudent Joe Mosca, whose only success in nearly 4 years is becoming the most offensive member on the council. He is matched in rudeness only by Bart Doyle.
    Kudos to Mayor MacGillivray who ended up, forced to speak to the "infant" Mosca like she would a disrespectable teenager.

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  3. Mayor MacGillivray is just awesome!

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  4. Joe Mosca and manners? That's an oxymoron. Did not witness the event, but it sounds like typical mean-spirited, spoiled Traitor Joe antics. Creepy, creepy, creepy...

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  5. Alverno’s neighbors seem to have a very knowledgeable attorney. The city’s attorney better darn well give accurate legal advice on the findings that need to be met in order to rule in favor of the school. Otherwise there will be another law suit and rightfully so. Alverno is guilty and needs to clean up their act. Maybe weddings and parties should end at sundown that way the Villa can be rented and the neighbors can have some piece.

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  6. Joe Mosca was an embarrassment to the whole community last night. The big audience brought out the worst in him, and the absence of Zimmerman let Joe's illusions about what a good attorney acts and sounds like run away with him. He was disrespectful and rude, and we all owe Mayor MacGillivray an apology that our community made the mistake of voting him into office in the first place.

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  7. Sir Eric, nice presentation of the respective sides in the Alverno problem.

    Negotiations up to this point have failed? Get new negotiators.
    The first man who spoke and said that the neighbors were the problem to no negotiations struck me as the kind of pompous guy who is really bad at negotiations, so Alverno could start with getting rid of him.

    I agree with Dragon Slayer that Alverno has let the problem get to this point. They obviously do not enforce their own conditions. All the problems the neighbors brought up are terrible to live with, and not all that hard to solve if Alverno would do some proper enforcing and control.

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  8. Joe did use the term "no brainer" more than once, when he was trying to ridicule the mayor for sticking up for an ill and absent council member's right to be present for an agenda item. Maybe Joe thought he had a chance to make a few points when said council member wasn't there to squash him like a bug.
    Mr. Mosca would be well advised to not use the tern "no brainer" because the label fits him oh so well.

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  9. Good point Another Anon. Who does advise Joe?
    He swings between sycophancy and sullenness.
    Is there a handler who could help him out?

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  10. Vote carefully in April or Joe will be the next mayor. Last night was a preview of what we will see...developers and builders will be making zoning decissions.

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  11. Call CVS. He forgot his meds on the cruise ship.

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  12. Neuroblast guy?

    How about some video clips of the impudent Mosca's outrageous moments at last night's council meeting.

    I know a few people who are going to review the tapes and make some bullet point notes, as myself and several others are already planning our campaign against this Mosca, if he chooses to run for re-election.

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  13. I hope Councilman Kurt Zimmerman is feeling better. We sure missed you last night!
    Get better soon!

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  14. So what part of the development/real estate community was the canyon resident who spoke against the moratorium from?

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  15. I recall her husband, Dan Slater is an attorney for Azusa?
    He was on the Planning Commission and voted along with Tom Jansen in favor of Dorn Platz Maranantha High School project.
    Someone correct me if that's in error?

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  16. Did Tom Jantzen vote in favor of the putting the high school at the top of Baldwin when he was on the Planning Commission?

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  17. Yes, he did. So did Dan Slater.

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  18. Jantzen was at City Council last night speaking in favor of the Alverno TUP

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  19. http://www.ci.novato.ca.us/agendas/pdfstaffreports/cc07_118.pdf

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  20. 10:46?

    Does post at 1:12 answer your question????
    LOL LOL LOL

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  21. Re 1:12 pm, considering the house he lives in, and the low rate his firm bills for his services, he must be a pi$$-poor redevelopment agency lawyer. Great piece of discovery, by the way. Thank you.

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  22. Got it. So the developers who live in the canyon don't want a moratorium to protect the canyon from them. What a surprise. And John Buchanan wants to make sure the developers interests are represented. Another big surprise...

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  23. Everytime the dirts try to make an argument on this blog, SMRRD's research team knocks the hell out of it!

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  24. There you have it. Mosca ties it up for Hayden, Lambden, Prout, Webb-Martin, and the Rotary while Buchanan plays kissy-face with higher eschelon bankers and developers. The Canyon has been a cash cow for years.

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  25. Mosca and Buchanan have a job to do for their bosses, the developers and their politician whores.
    They can't stand being out voted by the three honest councilmembers, MaryAnn, Kurt and Don.
    Their only defense? Being obstructionists.
    Shows you they have little if any public support.
    When Don Watts and Kurt Zimmerman were on that council for 2 years, outvoted every time on a development issue, they had plenty of support from SMRRD's teams of public speakers/filibusters. They PASSED MEASURE V right under the majority's noses.
    Reason, the dirts are of general weak character and are lacking in gray matter. Their argument was fallacious. Kurt and Don were defending the majority even though they only had 40% of the vote on that council. Now they have 60% and are getting things done.
    Hurts, don't it, dirts?

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  26. I was puzzled about who Joe Mosca kept looking towards in the audience - someone sitting to his right. He seemed to be playing to that direction, and looking there for approval and recognition whenever he made one of his rude blunders towards the mayor.
    There's a great moment when the mayor cleanly corrects both Mosca and Buchanan in procedure. How humiliating for them to have to be admonished on the behavior.

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  27. BEST PART: Alverno moms sitting next to me who have never before been to CC meeting were saying shockingly "who is this Mosca fellow, and who would ever vote for such a stupid bombastic idiot?" It was hysterical. Seen him once and they got it. WOW!!

    Imagine.........

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  28. Been there done thatSeptember 9, 2009 at 3:43 PM

    as one of those who voted for the idiot Mosca, let me apologize for voting for him

    but in my weak defense, Joe lied to me directly to my face and I believed him, but I should have trusted my gut when I thought after he left my house, "that dude is sort of weasley", turns out he's a slimeball hustler, which reminds me of John B., his blowhard counterpart on the council

    if Joe runs again, I'll lie to him and tell him I'll vote for him but put up everybody's sign but Joe's

    nor a sign by anybody endorsed by John B, Bart Dasterdly Doyle, Webb-Martin, Stockley, Lambdin and the rest of that motley crew

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  29. I share your disgust" been there done that",
    Joe lied to lots of people, I know two people who had fund raisers in their homes for this lying impudent individual. You can image their disgust.
    One of them, was a senior lady who he insulted on camera, Neuroblast has a YouTube clip of it.The woman was calling Joe out on his lies and deceit.
    This man, Mosca, in my humble opinion is a sociopath.
    We'll all gladly work day and night to make sure he doesn't ever get elected again in Sierra Madre, and hurt others.
    I'm delighted to hear these reports of all the people he turned off last night at the council meeting. Being impudent to Mayor MacGillivray doesn't set well with nice people.
    Joe lost hundreds of votes last night, hundreds.
    Everyone watching had a negative response.
    Isn't it wonderful!
    People are smarter than these pi**ant politicians think.

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  30. Joe Mosca should not be seated in that chair!

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  31. Anybody ever notice that when Joe gets bent out of shape his forehead begins to shine? He could have lit up a supermarket parking lot last night.

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  32. Smee,
    he's probably possessed by demons.

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  33. 10:54 - The woman-who-spoke-against-the-moratorium, missed her name, is married to a man who was on the General Plan Committee. Don't know what her shingle says, but he is a lawyer and together the two of them have done a nice job with this second lot that they have to the south of their property, using it as a garden. They, if anyone, would have benefitted from the efforts of the Canyon Zone Committee as they had an R-1-15,000 requirement to follow that should not have applied to them in a canyon setting. They have a through lot and had to maintain a 25 foot set back on both sides. That is onerous in the canyon. They did not build the house they bought--it was a spec house built by a man from San Marino who wanted to build it for his wife because she "loved the canyon and wanted to live here." This is the lie we have to hear all the time. This developer even tried to get help from a resident who he heard speak out against hillside development and thought the Planning Commission's respect for that resident would be a big help. He was turned down big time. Anyway, woman-who-spoke-against-the-moratorium lives in this spec house and mentioned that next door she has some protection from a newly constructed house with its one fire wall. Nonsense. She has protection because in the neighborhood fight against the overbuilt house next door pushed the windows to offset so that there was not fire impingement between the two. There is too little room between them to really be safe and the new house builders, a family who 'needed all this room' for their several children (could there have been a better place with more room to start with?) squeezed in all they could given the current building standards. I would watch out for types like the woman-who-spoke-against-the-moratorium as they obviously have ulterior motives not in keeping with the folks who live there, of all divergent backgrounds having nothing to do with oddly mentioned, misunderstood differences between living in the upper and lower canyons, who like the canyon for its rustic, mountainside charm. By the way, Joe Mosca does know the canyon by virtue of his deceit. He conned a canyon resident to show him the streets and pathways and walked door to door with his lie about supporting the right of the people to vote on the downtown plan. He used to have office hours at Mary's Market until that proved useless for him. Don't see much of Joe in the canyon these days. Hey 10:54, sorry this was so long winded.

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  34. No wonder MaryAnn MacGillivray wanted to have Fr. Bamberger say a prayer before the council meetings!
    The place needs to be exorcised.

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  35. 9:59
    Someone outed these people early today.
    We know who and what they are.

    Don Watts' idea of a Canyon Historical District is a great idea and most everyone I talk to up here is totally for it.

    It will raise our property values, a lot!
    Check out other areas where they have this, our canyon will truly be recongnized as unique and our homes, although not McMansions will be worth as much or more!

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  36. Unfortunate Addition To The ConversationSeptember 9, 2009 at 10:06 PM

    I'm sorry, and maybe this is my upbringing speaking. But if you want a decent exorcism, you need to bring in a Catholic. And seriously, don't you think the sight of Mosca's head spinning around while chunky green stuff flies from his mouth might be a bit strong for Channel 3 viewers?

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  37. Dear fellow Sierra Madreans,,,,,for those who wanted an exorcism..let this be said that I am a Roman Catholic. Trained in parochial schools. Psalm 91 is a prayer that priests & ministers do say when they preform an exorcism. After storming out of a friend's home, enraged by the audacity of a councilman cleverly disguised as an idiot, I ran into my home, picked up the bible & read aloud the 91st Psalm, repeatedly, until I felt a calm. Meanwhile, Joe was opposing the Mayor's request to have an invocation from the good Father B. Coincidence?? Hmmm...don't think so from the way Joe was reacting he sounds like he needs another exorcism. Hopefully, from Sierra Madre. God be with you ,Joe. Let Him be your closest friend. Take that to bed with you & sleep on it, Joe. Learn to love you nieghbors, not covet the homes they sleep in & the town we love, Sierra Madre.

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  38. I attended a City Council and City Staffing meeting at Alverno for one of their goal setting sessions two years ago. It was a Monday morning, it was warm and sunny and the doors to the parking area outside the kitchen were open for a cross breeze. At one point there was an outside noise that made it impossible to hear the discussion, so i went to the kitchen door. It was so noisy that I went outside to see what the racket was. It was the garbage truck tipping the dumpster filled with beer, champagne, wine and liquor bottles, the first of three sitting there in the parking lot. I asked the driver and was told that this was a normal load after a weekend of Villa use. I really didn't think about the annoyance to the neighborhood, what came to my mind was my efforts as a Sierra Madre resident to recycle in keeping with the city's requirement to reduce waste to the landfill or face increasing fines. I know that the homeowners in Sierra Madre carry the burden for all sorts of businesses and apartment complexes that do not, apparently, have to meet those requirements the same as the homeowners do. Correct me if this has changed. Do we get to subsidize Alverno's dump fees as well?

    If you counted up last night the number of people who spoke for the opportunity, past or future, for having a storybook wedding at the Villa vs how that income helps underwrite "scholarships" and reduce tuition for their daughter or others it would be pretty much equal. Some of the support from neighbor residents were disingenuous, if you live on Grandview you get to hear the sounds of a school in session, which can be pretty loud sometimes, but nothing like living on the other end where you are virtually living next to a small hotel ballroom minus the overnight portion of a gala wedding. In a public school setting, where finances are equally strained, you could not serve liquor during a fund raiser. Alverno has indeed taken advantage of its neighbors and is reaping the benefit of their selfishness. This is not a good lesson for their graduates. Furthermore, when the full EIR is done for the adaptive reuse of this historic building, there will be many areas of environmental impact that Villa use as an economic venue will not be able to gloss over. certainly the openness of a school setting, with the Villa nearby, is a delight, especially if they kept to their original agreement with the city and conducted a girls academy with normal school hours. However, the threat that if that use goes away and these 12 acres become housing is fear mongering at its usual. All around the neighborhood there are fine examples of single residential houses. In Pasadena, to the south on Michellinda you do have multi-unit zoning. That is not the zoning I would expect for Alverno should the high school use ever cease to exist.

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  39. To 12:06 am

    I suppose the Congregational Church would be a better steward of the Alverno Property? No?

    It could then realize it's long-time goals of having a school in Sierra Madre. The "City on a Hill."

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  40. It all depends on who is running the City Council. Under a Mayor Mosca I'd say condos at Alverno are a distinct possibility should the school fail. All in the name of "satisfying our RHNA numbers," of course.

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  41. Some claimed the revenue went to reduce tutition and others said it went for up keep on the Villa. They charge $5000 for the rental. The most they are reducing tuition is $1000 per girl, not the $10,000 claimed by one man. By the way... it is not regarded as a school of choice for a good education. However it is much better than PHS.

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  42. If Alverno would just control the events, most of the problems would be taken care of.

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  43. Sadly, Alverno has refused the neighbors' request to have an Alverno staff member present at the events. They say they are busy enough already and allow the caterer who is beholding to the couple getting married for referrals, etc to police the wedding. There is a do nothing security guard too. He is never around when there is a problem. No one is ever around when something goes wrong.

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  44. Take a step back. Before Alverno to La Salle and the effort for locating Marantha at 1 Carter.
    Go to the legitimate parking lot at La Salle where the sign reads "Not here" Pick up your darlings on Sierra Madre Blvd. Where mass confusion and traffic jams occur daily. Move the problem to the street certainly not at the La Salle Parking Lot. So much for Community cooperation.

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  45. When I was young and poorer than I am now, I worked in a banquet coordinator's office.
    It's a hard job, very little money, and lots of responsibility - and very, very easy to learn.
    All these events have contracts with Alverno.
    The Coordinator or assistants (such as I was) are responsible for fulfilling the contracts. It's a question of legality, and Alverno has made this enormous mess by being penny wise and pound foolish.
    They can have someone direct traffic (take care of the lights going into people's houses), monitor decibel levels (restrict the loud stuff to indoors, and do some soundproofing), and patrol so that partygoers don't wander around doing ugly things...
    So as they make money, like any good business, they should put some back into the money making business. And hire a banquet coordinator to monitor everything.

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  46. Re: The Villa. My son's wedding reception was held at the beautiful Villa. Once, when the music got to a certain level, the Alverno guard came to me and informed me of the level. I then went to the DJ, with the guard, and informed him. He lowered the sound until the guard, and his sound meter, were satisfied. Question, if Alverno can't keep up the Villa, who will? The city? Devolopers? More taxes for the residents? Hmmmmmm............

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  47. found the right threadSeptember 15, 2009 at 5:49 PM

    7:25, you must have been the exception to the rule. Alverno obviously does not take enough of an active part in making their money making enterprises fit in better with their neighbors.

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  48. Alverno is getting $5000 a pop from these events so money isn't the reason the place looks run down. I always hear Alverno say that the upkeep of the Villa is so expensive, but part of the reason is that they are putting a lot of wear and tear on it with 300 party guests at events EVERY weekend.

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