Wednesday, October 21, 2009

Jason Jensen Sues Sierra Madre and Officer Henry Amos

Pretty detailed article on the Jason Jensen lawsuit in yesterday's Pasadena Star News. We've covered this incident before, and much of what you'll read in the PSN piece is based on already familiar information. But what is new here, and is filtered through the PSN's contribution, is the attached Court documents. We've heard all the guesswork about what happened on that fateful night, but now for the first time the official documentation has been revealed, and that in my opinion dramatically narrows the field of speculation.

Here's how the PSN article ("Man shot while sleeping in SUV files suit against Sierra Madre") sums it up:

A man shot by a police officer while waking up in the back of his SUV filed a lawsuit against the city and its police department ... Jason Jensen, 46, of Monrovia alleges that Sierra Madre Police Officer Henry Amos was negligent when the officer in January fired through the car's rear hatch and hit Jensen in the back ... The city has until Nov. 5 to answer ... Jensen's lawsuit names Amos, the city and the police department as defendants, and alleges Jensen suffered from violations of his constitutional rights, assault and battery, and negligence.

Jensen's attorney is Kelly F. Ryan, a lawyer with the firm Russakow, Ryan & Johnson, PC. You can access Ryan's Attorney Profile here.

In the Court documents you can read quite a bit of information about this case, but what struck me as being the most telling passages are from the Section IV, which is referred to there as "Backround." These are the first legally worded descriptions of the event, and apparently it will be a Federal Jury that will have to decide on their worth.

On or about January 30, 2009, Plaintiff was asleep in the rear of a vehicle, he had borrowed from its owner, parked on Sierra Madre Blvd., in the City of Sierra Madre. On information and belief and thereupon alleged, at approximately 3:30 a.m. Defendant Amos had the vehicle towed to a police garage located at 200 West Sierra Madre Avenue located in the City of Sierra Madre. While in the tow yard, Plaintiff awoke and attempted to sit up when he was struck by a single bullet discharged, on information and belief and thereupon alleged, from defendant Amos' service weapon. The bullet struck Plaintiff in the rear upper torso entering his body and passing through it exiting the front near Plaintiff's hip.

By the description given here it appears that Jensen was shot somewhere in the back. Which could make any speculation that Jensen might have threatened Amos, and therefore incited the gunshot, appear moot.

At the end of the PSN article there is a passage quoting Sierra Madre Police Chief Marilyn Diaz as having said this:

"I can tell you that we provide training on a daily basis, including regular reviews of our policy procedures for search-and-seizure law, liability, use-of-force and other training topics most likely to result in litigation or other court action," Diaz said.

Now in the Court documents, and maybe not completely by coincidence, the following training related passages can be found among the listed complaints.

On information and belief and thereupon alleged, defendants, and each of them failed to follow the practices and policies of the Sierra Madre Police Department including but not limited to:

c) Failing to adequately train, supervise, and control officers in the arts and practice of law enforcement, including, without limitation, the taking into custody vehicles and persons not engaged in criminal activity, without serious injury ..

d) Failing to adequately discipline officers involved in misconduct ..

e) Condoning and encouraging officers in the belief that they can violate the rights of persons in this action with impunity, and that such conduct will not adversely affect their opportunities for promotion and other employment benefits.

Not wanting to read too much into Chief Diaz's statement, but can it be that she is acutely aware of the training issue because, judging by the legal documents we've now looked at, that will play an important role in the upcoming trial? And can it be that if inadequate and ineffective training by the SMPD is proven in Court, will it put this City in jeopardy of having to pay severe financial penalties?

Who knows, maybe that aspect of the defense has already begun.

112 comments:

  1. The "shot in the back" thing is going to be a problem for the
    people who have defended Amos. Doesn't look like the "you
    weren't there so you don't know what happened" defense is
    going to work anymore.

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  2. Oh Curly i don't want this to get into some pissing match first thing in the morning but i'm going to have to say it..."you weren't there so you don't know what happened".
    Henry was cleared on an extensive investigation and do you really think those doing that investigation would let little things fall through the crack?
    Now i have not yet, and will look into who this lawyer is but i'm thinking maybe it's one of those that defends the more than obvious "guilty" clients if you know what i mean. So then what happens (i think) is it goes to a jury trial and that's how folks like OJ get let off (his first time)...people like you and i or maybe just me start acting like some investigator with ZERO knowledge about law and sit and listen for a day or 2 and then "vote" on something that took MONTHS for a "professional" to figure out.
    Again let's not all jump down my throat as i am only writing what i think and it' been a good morning so far and i'd hate to spend my day irritated!!! :)

    Lisa

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  3. Maybe you know this, Lisa. Amos was cleared by an investigation conducted by the LA County Sheriff' s Department. In your recollection, has the LACSD ever not cleared an officer in a case like this?

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  4. Actually 8:08am i have no clue but am willing to ask around...i'll get back to ya after the gym!!!!

    Lisa

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  5. Amos shot a man (while waking up) in the back, huh...didn't we used to hang people on that evidence?

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  6. Let's see. No charges were filed against Jensen, and the Sheriff's investigation concluded that Amos did nothing wrong.

    Not so sure this lawsuit will come to a neutral conclusion like that. This is going to come out of our hide.

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  7. Anon 8:26, yes even the noted and well respected Lawman Tom Horn, ended up being a mess of a hanging when he shot a young man in the back late in his carrer as a lawman. He gained alot of weight (in jail) while waiting for day he was to be hung. The problem was the hangman had already calculated his weight and the length of rope needed. Well.... he was too fat and his head poped off, quite a crowd pleaser.
    Neuroblast Films

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  8. Don't Shoot I'm Only Sleeping!October 21, 2009 at 8:43 AM

    Lisa Lisa Lisa - your automatic dismissal and defense of the PD is cute (like you) but niave.

    The PD would have a sliver of chance if Jensen was charged with something, anything...jaywalking...parking violation....dui...assault on a police officer....attempted murder...conceal weapon...stolen vehicle, but Jensen wasnt charged with anything - so in the eyes of the law and the PD, he did nothing wrong.

    All he does is wake up - sit up and Amos freaks out and guns him down. Let's not forget that an inch here or there, Amos would have killed the man for what? Being "afraid"? Amos should turn in his badge.

    LOL - an extensive investigation, please you read the file? - if you read the article the DA said they couldn't prove beyond a reasonable doubt...which is what OJ got off on. According to the article, Amos was "scared"? Pluuueesse.

    OJ Amos - sounds like a nickname that could stick.

    In between pouring beers, sure, pull out your Sherline Holmes hat and check out this attorney - you jump to a conclusion with the attorney being a sleaze but ignore the fact that our PD shot at point blank range, a unarmed person....just pull the gun and blast away - sounds like Amos is the unstable one, not Jensen.

    ???? u irritated yet?

    At least now the PD, it's hiring practices and every individual cop will be under scrunity, both past and present under Diaz.

    We'll know about the "alleged" training by the PD - that's a joke if I ever heard one.

    Lisa, please - now you have a problem with our jury system? I was giving you credit until I read that - that's about as goofy of a comment that I've read since leaving Palmdale.

    Do you automatically defend the cops because you are friends with a few or like a man in uniform? (irritated yet?)

    Don't be surprised if the attorney has a long witness list of real ex-cops from real police departments that would testify against our PD.

    Even a LAPD officer I know says that while he respects a fellow officer, he knows that our cops aren't real cops - only problem is that ours carries loaded weapons.

    The only "guilty" party in the shooting is Amos. His incompetence is going to cost the city dearly.

    So, you think Jensen should just walk away and accept getting shot by a cop? ? For sleeping in a car and waking up.

    Also, you don't know if Jensen has a sleeping disorder do you? Everybody assumes he was drunk or a thief or whatever, but again...you weren't there were you.

    At least the legal system will sort out the BS spun by our Chief.

    Next summer the Concert In the Park Series will be held at he Jensen Memorial Park - thanks to Amos and the SMPD.

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  9. I would imagine Kurt (the only real attorney with serious courtroom experience) will look at the facts, the evidence and if he concludes that we should settle - then we should.

    All this attorney needs to do is show a pattern of incompetence and we've got at least a dozen years worth of incompetence in the PD.

    Isn't there another lawsuit pending regarding excessive force and violation of rights? Is that part of the extensive "training"?

    Also, this same PD has pulled out guns on 10 year old kids at the Skilled Nursing Facility. I know of a couple kids who had those fake play guns (with orange tips) and the cops circled them, drew their weapons and had the kids lay on the sidewalk while the cops had guns pointed at them.

    It was just a matter of time before one of our cops shot somebody for no reason, at least Amos didn't kill the dude.

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  10. Neuroblast - Yet more proof that being overweight can have serious side effects.

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  11. It ALL starts at the top!

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  12. Seems to me like the officer is guilty and so is the passed out guy in the SUV. Obviously the guy with the gun who pulled the trigger is more guilty, and will have to pay for it.
    Nobody looks good in this.

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  13. Not knowing a thing about it, I always wanted to understand how you sleep through all the noise that must have been right outside your "borrowed" car window: the police flashing lights, arrival of tow truck, hooking up by tow truck, cranking up the hauling craine, the drive on over to the impound yard, releasing the car, worker and officer voices, and the opening of the hatch brings you to a point where you are shot at?! At what point do you let your presence be known to the police officer?! Too late obviously!

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  14. i dunno 9:04 but even if the dude was passed out drunk or medicated (which we don't know yet but he wasn't charged with intoxication) - he didn't deserved to be shot by a overwrought out of control police officer.

    i do know of some people who can sleep through anything.

    still, Amos didn't need to shot the guy.

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  15. Sir Eric, the training issue discussion?
    I have heard it come up often for the police and the fire department during council meetings, so I don't think there's anything new about it. It has to do with funding or outsourcing or something. Sorry but I tend to wander away from the TV when that stuff comes on. Somebody else will know more. The thing is that Diaz has said that consistently, before this mess.

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  16. Hate to say it, but I don't think we're ever going to know what the truth is about all this.
    The victim will have to get some money, and that'll be that.

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  17. Sierra Madre Police training video.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLsg0EvZozI

    Watch and enjoy.

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  18. 9:19 the only way we won't know is if we settle behind closed doors (which is what John/Joe love) - if this gets to open court -the SMPD is toast - poor training - zero discipline - etc etc

    We should demand that this settlement and findings be made public - it's public safety and the quality of our PD.

    Sweeping under the rug a police shooting of an unarmed and uncharged suspect is horrendous policy.

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  19. Questions?
    If the Sheriff's Dept cleared Officer Amos, and it is found in court, he should not have been cleared, what does this say about the Sheriff's Department?
    So who do we get to keep our town safe?
    Would it be possible to contract Arcadia?
    Like Lisa, I would like to see and hear all the evidence before passing my judgement, that said, it looks very bad.

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  20. The guy was shot in the back what more do you need to know?

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  21. 8:43 On "at least he didn't kill the dude". Sorry. Wrongfull Death costs less than disabling injury, and the plantiff can still testify.

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  22. this seems like a simple negligence case. negligence in (i) failing to properly search the car, (ii) getting scared, having a panic attack, and shooting an unarmed guy who presented no threat of bodily harm, and (iii) training. i am confident the city and its insurers will be paying off the victim long before trial.

    i note that the training and competence issues are highlighted in chief diaz's interview in the MVN from about two years ago. while the purpose of that interview was to persuade us dummies to vote for a tax increase - which we did - it had the perverse result of arguing for the incompetence of the smpd as currently structured and funded. i suggest you all revisit teh article, as it outlines what the chief believes it will really cost the city to have a competent force.

    personally, i believe that the chief and her leadership team are great people who are doing the best they can with what they've got. the line officers are another story.

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  23. People are assuming the plaintiff and his attorney will want to settle out of court. They might think they're on to something very big here, and deside to roll the dice with a jury.

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  24. The fact that Jensen was shot in the back is not an automatic indictment of police incompetance. A person can easily turn their body in the time it takes to draw, point and discharge a weapon. I'm not defending Amos in anyway, because I know very little about this case.. but the only factual conclusion you can draw about someone being shot in the back is that their back was towards the gun nanoseconds after the trigger was pulled.

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  25. Seen too many CSI's and need to ask the question: Shot in upper back and bullet exits from the hip area in the front. Lying face down, facing toward the rear of the SUV, in the process of getting up while started from a dead sleep, is again face down when bullet enter upper backs to exit from the hip area--somebody give me a CSI visual on this one.

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  26. TF - yeah, but it certainly isn't going to help Amos, either. This is a jury trial, and the "shot in the back" thing does come with considerable emotional baggage.

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  27. Nanoseconds....huh?... is this Amos?

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  28. lol nanoseconds 11:04 - isn't Amos a big guy - a little portly? how'd he get the bullet from his pocket so fast and load his gun

    that must be the training for SMPD - how to extract your "single" bullet from your left shirt pocket and load the gun

    surprised Amos didn't shoot himself in the foot ala Barney Fife - if he wasn't dangerous, Amos would be the laughing stock of the town

    we'll be laughing alright, all the way to the bank....to withdraw a couple million to pay Jensen

    I bet a couple other SM cops were jealous because they haven't had the chance to shoot anybody yet

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  29. Who is defending Amos in this case?
    The Police Union attorney or Sandra Levin?
    Or is he on his own?

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  30. Ohhh boy Andy, who's gonna tell Aunt B and the boys down at Goobers station? I dunno know Barney, this might be a case for Gomer Pyle USMC! You go boy!

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  31. If the SMPD cops are the poorly trained bafoons that many of you describe, shouldn't there be more shootings of innocent men, women, and children? Shouldn't there be more lawsuits from the innocent public? Sierra Madre Pd is not the only police agency in the state that has had it's officers actions criticized. You might want to research the actions of officers from Arcadia, Monrovia, Pasadena, El Monte, LASD, and LAPD; these are NOT trouble free enforcement agencies!

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  32. Old K, Sir Eric put a link to Amos' attorney in the article.

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  33. It sure would be nice if the same lawyers who have tred to bankrupt Sierra Madrewith their advice to the POA were the ones who had to pay the bill to defend Amos.

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  34. 1:05, I should think that a SMPD officer plugging someone in the back would be a bad thing in most peoples minds.

    But if you say that the other children do it too, well, umm, no. I still can't see how that makes it OK.

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  35. So much for journalism. Publishing one side of the story without investigating the other side first, is irresponsible to say the least. I suspect you will be ridiculing the City's response after it has been filed.

    It's obvious that the cadre of individuals supporting this blog have a bias towards eliminating the Police Department in favor of an outside agency (just like Bart Doyle and his Dirts have for the last 12+ years), as if "throwing baby out with the bath water" is the solution to the problem. In the process, you help outside interests exploit Sierra Madre while tearing it apart from the inside out.

    Have any of you thought about how to find solutions to the issues that you have with the Police Department? Perhaps, if you don't like getting traffic citations, you should obey the traffic laws. If you don't like your children being cited, then maybe you should teach them to be better citizens. If you don't have a rapport with the officers, make an effort to introduce yourself.

    I think everyone can agree that there are improvements that can be made in Sierra Madre, including the police department. In spite of this blog's characterization, there are some good things about our police department as well as a number of good officers. I contend that the City should start with what is good and improve upon it, rather than starting over with an unknown entity.

    No investigation seems to have been done on what the true costs of such a decision really are, nor has any investigation or consideration been made regarding what, if any, control over policy and procedure the City would have, if at all, over an outside agency's officers.

    Furthermore, you have accepted as fact the Administration's financial claims regarding the police department, after it's accounting practices and procedures have been found negligent at best and corrupt at worst.

    My response here is in no way meant to defend the actions of a few rogue cops nor the greedy attorneys that represent them. If the individuals are no good, get rid of them. Same goes for every other City department.

    I can only hope that the majority of Sierra Madre voters will consider this issue with thoughtful analysis and due diligence instead of hyperbole and knee-jerk reactions.

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  36. Ben - actually a cost analysis study on the comparative costs of policing is being done now by City Hall. Any decision being made by the City Council will be based on those findings. In the end this is a cost analysis issue. Can we sustain the high level of UUT taxes indefinitely? Will people continue to see the value in that given the current picture? Do we rescind it and choose to go with something less expensive? Big questions, and they have been dealt with on this site. And remember, this is a town that voluntarily voted itself a tax hike in order to give our police department a raise. And in exchange for that generosity we got what? 10 lawsuits? Ask yourself this, given the events of the last two years, would this city vote the same now? Very few people now believe that it would.

    In the end we are purchasing a service. It is our tax money, and we have the right to expect the best. And if the police department we have now is the most cost effective, and does supply the best service, then chances are good things will stay the same as they have.

    Don't blame the messenger.

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  37. Good memory skillsOctober 21, 2009 at 1:37 PM

    1:25, people have been researching about and debating the police issue issue for many years, longer than you must know.
    I also support the police - but I wouldn't go a day without reading the Tattler, the only real press in Sierra Madre.
    You might make better sense if you'd rephrase some of your generalizations.
    I too hope that Sierra Madreans do careful research, and the Tattler is an essential source for that.

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  38. who is this bart guy the members of the "cadre" either do or do not take orders from?

    does he wear a black helmet, breathe heavily, and sound like james earl jones?

    should i be as fearful of him as i am of that scary, bald ex-mayor?

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  39. The city could hire Wakenhut privite security, the state uses them in many situations.

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  40. Pasta, thanks for the YOUTUBE!
    Does art imitate life or life
    imitate art? Only Barney knows!

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  41. Thanks for the link pasta, I've featured it.
    Neuroblast Films

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  42. 1 other infamos man, Bob Ford released by the state (after bieng arrested for shooting a man) to help apprehend Jesse James, was forever considered a coward because he shot him in the back.

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  43. Attorney Kelly Ryan is a man, not a woman.

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  44. It seems obvious Mr. Amos didn't look in the car, or he would have shot Mr. Jensen before having the car towed. Granted Mr. Jensen must have been a very heavy sleeper to have not waken up while chains and the car was being outfitted for tow. Since the POA is big on negociating big contracts, shouldn't they have a screw up fund to pay for officers blunders now and let cities off the hook? Somebody run that by Dieter....

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  45. That's what I would like to know Anon at 9:34PM
    Seems their union should represent them legally, unless this guy Kelly is associated with the POA?

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  46. A more careful readingOctober 22, 2009 at 9:16 AM

    Kelly Ryan is Jensen's attorney.

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  47. a couple years ago there was a supposed armed robbery in downtown, might have been real.

    anyway, a neighbor was downtown when it all went down. the police didn't clear the streets and the old gray cop that is sort of fat, had his gun out.

    what was funny is the fat cop was hiding behind a light pole and his gut stuck out almost a foot.

    my neigbor grabbed his kids and left but still poor police procedures, our cops had guns out (which is dangerous to anybody - not just passed out dudes in Murano's) and one of our more "seasoned" vets was hiding behind a light pole

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  48. Good Morning Old Kentucky, if Sir Eric will allow, Basically a municipality is a town form of a corporation, defined as/is "An Artificial Person created with many of the duties and powers of an individual. So any agent, employee or representative, can by word or action incur debt, liablility, (profit) for its employer.
    But now we have a union,in the mix.. a business of a group charging fees for increase of money, litigation and pensions. If the city is the employer why tolerate it?
    Back when employers like the Rockefellers massacred the miners at Ludlow Colorado, a union was needed, for the very least strong arm protection, but we are somewhat more civilized and public so we have our attorneys battle it out in courts of law.

    We need to release our cities from the liability
    that arises from a union member action or misconduct. It will save millions in pay outs and legal fees, and the union either proves or pays, they police each other now, let them have to pay for their own mistakes, by members, agents, representatives of each union.
    Who is goning to call little Dieter Daimmier, and tell him?
    But be careful, he has a vendetta against sierra madre, it is on one of his web sites.

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  49. Ben said...
    So much for journalism. Publishing one side of the story without investigating the other side first, is irresponsible to say the least.

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    Ben, u must love the local puesdo paper published by Susan Henderson - it's always slanted, one sided and even it's so-called articles are biased.

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  50. White Fireman "A" puts "dog food" into Black fireman "B's" chilli. "Annimal House" firemen all roar with laughter knowing fireman B can now sue his employer (City of LA) for a million bucks which will be settled out of court, because of discrimination in the workplace. Nice work if you can get it.

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  51. As of this date the California State Bar lists
    Kelly Francis Ryan as registered at "The Ryan Law Firm, a Prof Law Corp" address of record is 80 S Lake Pasadena

    The firm Russakow Ryan & Johnson at 225 S Lake Pasadena only shows three licensed attorneys, none of them ryan neither is ryan on their web site as partner, attorney, or counsel so he might have been with them once upon a time, but not now. But there is a entertainment industry ryan kelly, on the web perhaps when he was younger

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  52. Well, there was at time before Diaz was chief that we did not have these problems with our local police department. She has made a point to hire outside officers and clean out our dedicated and long term cops we had. So Diaz how about the buck stops here. She had a terrible reputation when she worked at Pasadena and it was well know she was not liked by her fellow police officers. What council was in power when she was hiredand had an agenda to out source our local police department (Gillison was our city manager then). So we lose our local police dept. then out source our fire department and that removes the citizens personal contact with the city employees and distances us from the goings on in city hall. We have had alot of law suits since Diaz took over...maybe someone should look them up.

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  53. Hey 9:18am, wake up, you're dreaming! The vendetta you mentioned is NOT against the city of Sierra Madre, it is against the Sierra Madre Police Chief Marylin Diaz.

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  54. We have lost everything personal with the personel
    in City Hall and our City employees in SM.....how did this all begin/happen???
    Same ole answer?
    Greed and evil?
    Pray tell us...
    Eric, Kentuck, Pasta....

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  55. cpbp, aahhh....., what have we lost? Oh PERSONAL involvement by the Mayor perhaps, Like lets say some guitar playing, bald, mayor standing on the street directing rookie cops to give tickets to his neighbors in an effort to pressure a filmmaking company to pay him off? Yeah, we can do without that kind of personal involvement.

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  57. 10:45 no kidding, and some would have him on the Canyon Committie. Sheesh!

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  58. man with hair?
    You Lie! 7:56 tells the Truth!
    It's true, I was there.
    I'm sure you were too, and I'm sure you don't have hair.

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  59. 10:45, you insult the special needs community with that remark.

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  60. 10:45 - language, big boy. This isn't The Cumquat, you know.

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  61. hey 7:34 pm, yeah but our PD had a big old banner at the Wisteria Festival a few years back(before Diaz came along) and the banner proclaimed to thousands of visitor and locals, the banner read: "Sierra Madre SUCKS!" - proudly displayed by our SMPD - the same who whine, complain and proclaim that they are some of LA's elite police force.

    So no matter how the PD's pr campaign spins their BS, they have a history of claiming that their employer, the citizens of Sierra Madre...SUCK!.

    It'd be nice of the lawsuits having to do with city PD would be made public, both Jensen's and the internal pee pee matches.

    My feeling is that if the rank and file don't like working here, don't let the door hit you on the rear on the way out.

    Go apply at LAPD, County, Pasadena, Arcadia, NYPD, wherever and see if you can get hired for such a cushy low pressure barely do anything police job.

    Still, Amos has cost the city dearly with his poor judgement, lack of training and quick trigger.

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  62. Hey 10:05 AM: The banner was put up 7 or 8 years ago. It was directed at the City Manager and City Council, not the citizens of Sierra Madre. Not all employees of the department were in agreement with it; it was put up by 2-3 employees who are no longer employed by the city. As a self described employer (if you're a resident) of the Police Officers, what have you done to make the department better? Sounds like you're spreading some of the "BS".

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  63. anon 12:16
    We've been trying to get rid of them and replace them with the sherriffs dept. where have you been?

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  64. 1:50 PM,
    Now you talkin! Change one very small group of alleged malcontents for another extremely large group. LASD has an exemplary reputation-No lawsuits, no bad shootings, no personal complaints, and just a small ineffective union-ALADS). Great idea, won't cost much either. NOT!

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  65. That would be change a very small city police departments, with the most lawsuits (dept. suits) in the entire group of police in the U.S. for a more experianced, group of law enforcement, with a higher level of training, with a higher washout rate (probably some of those we are talking about here) I'm ok with that.

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  66. Sorry type -o that's "our" -very small police department- sans (S)

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  67. I have been for contracting out because the lawsuits made me so mad, but now I want to give the Chief a chance with the reformed staff she put in place.
    They have to drop the lawsuits though.

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  68. We need to keep the pressure on. Law enforcement is a service, and we're the employers. And it is fully within our right to fire an incompetent operation.

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  69. sure 12:16, spin it all you want - I hardly doubt that it wasn't the entire police dept behind the sign "Sierra Madre SUCKS" - just goes to show that we had jerks on the force then and now!

    just how stupid were the 2 or 3 who put up the sign - spin it all you want, but the sign read "Sierra Madre SUCKS" and when I walked by it, I saw just about all of our officers milling around the sign.

    What I gather, the same opinion runs rampart in our PD.

    The only BS that is put out is put out by the PD and their lawsuits against the city.

    Still, it's a department with poor training and a reputation among other PD's that we are reckless and non-professional.

    Unless you consider writing parking tickets and the traffic citations as 98% of your job description.

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  70. 5:07:
    From the tone of your postings I gather that you feel that the entire Sierra Madre Police Department Sucks? You may not say it, but you very much imply it. What's worse, saying something sucks, or calling all police department employees jerks? Seems like a lot of hypocrisy out there. Like you state: "Spin it all you want"......you've done it!

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  71. Look at it this way, 8:36. the people of Sierra Madre voted themselves a 100% tax hike to give the Sierra Madre police Department a raise. And how has the SMPD shown their gratitude? They've sued us 10 times. Go to the City of Sierra Madre site and you can see that some of these suits are being discussed (behind closed doors) at our next City Council meeting.

    Giving people a raise that comes out of our own pockets, and then having those people turn around and sue us over and over again, well, sucks.

    Sorry to intrude upon your state of blissful ignorance, but that's the situation the aware portion of this community is looking at.

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  72. Well, I'm holding out for the deposition testimony of Officer Amos and any other witnesses. This, people, is the complaint. It is nothing more than allegations. I have never heard a case that didn't change something when the other side of the story is told. Unfortunately, you and I may never know the real story. And of course, it is in the plaintiff's interest to permeate the information atmosphere with all kinds of stuff about how bad this is. I agree it doesn't sound good, but please bear in mind that merely because it's been said in a complaint means absolutely nothing. A complaint and a filing fee gets you a lawsuit. That's all.

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  73. i'm wondering if we checked the SMPD computer, how often do our cops post on here? probably part of the marketing and media campaign as designed by the union to sway public opinion

    and 8:36, it was the PD that put a banner that the city sucked - not the people.

    hey Doc, I'm holding out for the deposition also, but if the PD never charged Jensen with anything, not a thing...well it sort of means that Amos shot a unarmed person who wasn't a real threat and did not even warrant a citation?

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  74. You have to admit, Doc, it is a hell of a complaint. Something about a guy being shot in the back by a cop and then never being charged with anything does tend to raise questions.

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  75. Hey Doc, before you describe this as a complaint, and a filing fee, Google what it looks like to be shot in the back at close range. It's not pretty. Most people die from it. Not to mention the lifelong effects of the injury. Please try not to generalize it. It was an ugly bloody mess, where one man nearly killed another. In our small town that's a 1/10,000 chance it could have been me that night, or you.
    Yeah he was sleeping in a car, and you probably have never done so, and you steer clear of those who do. It could have been a suspected burglar in your home.

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  76. Anonymous at 5:57 last night...So weird how things happen in this town...not one person on this blog and I KNOW FOR A FACT there our a "couple" contributors here EVER talked about the guy from DOWNEY that tried to commit suicide on Grove Street 2 weeks ago (um the guy could have MOST IMPORTANTLY killed my bike riding father or walking mother or even Mr. Crawford with the kids). YES, WEIRD and JACKED-UP FOLK come to this sleepy little town to do their business.

    Lisa

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  77. So what "actualy" happened Lisa, was anybody injured, what was his method of suicide. Was it an attempt at death by cop because he heard about our loose cannons running around with badges? Did Amos respond? Was he unable to retrieve the bullet from his pocket fast enough to shoot this troubled man?

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  78. I can guess what happened, our police called the Sherriffs.

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  79. Sierra Madre. Shoot first, ask questions later, and then shell out millions in lawsuit damages. That'll teach the weird-os.

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  80. Anonymous at 8:16am...Couldn't really tell if you were being sarcastic or not and maybe Sir Eric could give us the scoop since it happened just yards away from his home. All i know is that he started at the top of the street, floored it and ran into a tree. They used the jaws of life and got him out. I heard something like he is paralyzed (or severly jacked up) from the waist down. But he's alive so now he can try again to hurt himself and/or others.
    I don't think the sheriffs were there and you at 8:18am most likely know that too. As for Amos, not sure cuz i don't know his schedule put you can call the PD (355-1414) and ask exactly who all responded. ;)

    HAPPY SUNDAY!!!!!
    Lisa

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  81. 8:18 u got that right. I know if I never need a police offficer in a serious situation, I'd rather call Arcadia, Pasadena or the County. Only problem our cops would show up first and then put everybody at risk.

    When we had the stand off a few months ago, u notice how our cops were basically perimenter crowd control?

    What happened to the extensive training?

    "I can tell you that we provide training on a daily basis, including regular reviews of our policy procedures for search-and-seizure law, liability, use-of-force and other training topics most likely to result in litigation or other court action," Diaz said.

    ...the SMPD daily training on legal liabilities that result in litigation?

    jeez.

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  82. did Amos shoot the tree?

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  83. there is absolutely no reason for the city to keep it's response private and keep the citizens unaware of this court case and the other cases revolving around the PD. this is a matter of public safety and this can not be swept under the rug. we have the right to know why one of our officers shot an unarmed man. we have a right to know just who are cops are, their background and their mental conditions. the fact that Amos was "afraid" doesn't bode well for the ablity to be a police officer. the fact that he didn't notice a person in the back of a vehicle doesn't speak highly on his observation skills and training.

    regardless of Amos, the city needs to make this negotiation with the city public.

    or at least, we have Jensen's attorney to keep the public aware of just how professional our PD is and managed by Diaz.

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  84. Several posters have commented about the lack of training in a manner that suggests it is the responsibility of the officers to train themselves.

    Does anyone really know who is responsible for our officers having adequate, on-going training?

    Is it the individual officers, the Chief, the City Manager or the City Council?

    Does training cost money and if so, who determines how much and from where the money comes from?

    Just asking.

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  85. 2:05

    The City's response is not private. It will be a matter of public record once it has been filed with the court. All litigation against the City is discussed in closed session. That is not new.

    The remainder of your conjecture is also terribly flawed and misleading.

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  86. "Anonymous said...
    did Amos shoot the tree?"

    Seriously you are just not right (and that includes all of your comments). Thing is if this was talking about the "DIRTS" and "A DIRT" made such an obnoxious retarded non related comment it would have been deleted and the person called a troll.

    I've learned quite a bit of "city" stuff on here and that's why i come but but equally I'm thinkin' this is truly a 1 sided blog that WON'T allow other views right or wrong. Pretty sad if you ask me but then again you weren't asking...

    Lisa

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  87. Lisa,
    Ya just hit a homer.............applause for you!

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  88. Lisa I'm sure the website you personaly describe as receiving over 35,000 hits in the first four days. The now defunct downtowndirt.org, where you "tell it like it is" , or told it like it was" anyway, was as fair and balanced as Fox News they both have an editorial feel if you ask me... and you didn't.
    here listen to yourself
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOrJK5NgY4Q
    Neuroblast Films

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  89. Sorry Neuroblast you lost me...then again that's not that hard. :)

    Oh and 4:01pm...thanks...i think... :)

    Lisa :)

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  90. Sorry, you must be a different Lisa. My bad.
    Neuroblast Films

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  91. Lisa -Now there is the problem. Those who take the other side on this issue - outside of your estimable self, of course - don't participate on this site. And that is a bit of a mystery. Is it that the once mighty "No on V" crowd has dried up and blown away? Are they cowed by the wit and brilliance of the commentary on this blog, and therefore are too a-skeered of stepping in to chat? Were they always little more than a shell organization dependent on big money consultants to carry them? Do they no longer believe their malarkey, and have politically drifted into a kind of dead zone of uncaring and indifference? Or are they just too snooty to mix with such perceived ruffianssuch as myself? I've yet to be able to figure this one out.

    Glad that you have picked up some useful information here. Believe me, it has been an educational experience for me. I set myself some high goals, and that means considerable research. We'll be at 300 posts soon, and The tattler is just getting started.

    But yeah, I do wonder about why "the other side" (outside of a few kind of addled trolls) never show up. Hell, if the shoe was on the other foot, I'd be dropping in all the time. Just like I did on "Downtown Dirt," 91024's site, and the rest. All of which, alas, died.

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  92. Funny thing is i never went on Downtown Dirt or 91024's blogs...EVER. I definately was on the Cumquat until Jim got mean and nasty in his writing and then i made the choice not to read it although i still spoke to him when he'd come into LB's. The one i frequented after the fact was the Foothill Cities blog but that also got a little out of hand so i stopped (and apparently it stopped too).
    I know you say "the other side" should come on here but even those that do write something interesting and logical but not agreeing with the views of your story and also not a "readers" choice get shot down...maybe not by all your mature readers but there's a bunch of vindictive writers on here that you let say whatever they want and don't delete their post. Seriously and you've said it before if i don't like it i don't have to read it...so i don't but then i check in and...well you know what happens.

    Lisa

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  93. Well, you have to take the good with the bad, I guess. But the rough and tumble of The Tattler is certainly not outside the tradition of such things in Sierra Madre. And look at it this way, has there ever been a blog that has taken the perspective The Tattler has in this town before? I think not. That was always the purview of the "No on V" community. And compared to what they were putting out in their heyday, what you see here is quite mild. The support given to Jim Snider by so many of that ilk pretty much makes complaining about any poor treatment they might receive here laughable.

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  94. As for Jim, i think there were many more people that did stop reading his blog but were still friends with him. Probably the most obvious folk you're thinking about. He was not a bad person by any means he just had a different perspective when it came to writing. Believe you me (i sound like my Grandma) he never SPOKE the way he WROTE. Isn't that a talent for some?

    Lisa

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  95. Maybe you shouldn't assume that everything published under his name on the Cumquat was written by Snider. He was not the only author. At least until the Measure V election was over.

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  96. Lisa, for such a enlighted self made aware person, you should know that throwing out the word "retarded" is a slur. Having a special needs relative, I'm offended by your obnoxious word choice, or did you just reveal your true character?

    I've always liked you, but you just went down a notch in my book.

    I thought the comment made by Anon "did Amos shoot the tree" was sort of funny.

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  97. Oh good grief...sorry Anonymous at 8:24pm...i too have so called special needs friends and would never say anything to hurt them. I never come on here to "offend" anyone but usually walk away from this blog feeling a bit offended by MOST. I guess that's ok in your book, right? Oh and your whole "reavling my true character"...really? At least i put my name on here and i am the ONLY one that does so.

    Lisa

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  98. OOPS i forgot to add that your "I thought the comment made by Anon "did Amos shoot the tree" was sort of funny." was completely IMMATURE. Oh crap, i said IMMATURE...do you know people like that too? I guess that was a wrong description also.

    Lisa

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  99. Ravioli is my true character, too. Carbs and cheese, you just can't beat it.

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  100. I don't think we should make fun of the tree. If it hadn't stopped that guy, who knows where the car would have gone? Maybe into somebody's house, right? We should make it an honorary member of the SMPD.

    Hopefully it won't sue us.

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  101. ONLY TO MAKE MY DAD PROUD....October 25, 2009 at 10:08 PM

    Oh and NOT SO PROUD...if he happens to be reading this...

    YOU FEW FOLKS ARE COPLETE ASSHOLES!!!! Grow-up...really now.

    Lisa :(

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  102. Somebody is going to have a nasty headache when they wake up...

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  103. lisa must be hitting the sauce a little too much

    potty mouth are we?

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  104. Lisa, if you really know and care about special needs people, you wouldn't use the word. Nice try though to spin your words though.

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  105. I saw the incident in the police blotter that Lisa is referring to.

    She made it sound like it was a suicide driver in the middle of the day who was risking the lives of pedestrians, grandmas and little babies.

    From the blotter, the incident happened at almost 3 am and the driver was drunk.

    Maybe she has an inside scoop that we aren't privy to.

    We still love her though.

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  106. 12:32

    Who are you, the word police? Where do you get off telling people what words they can and can't use? What god gave you the authority to determine Political Correctness?

    Go back to Moscow, you damn Trotskyite!

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  107. 2:43 - better watch yerself, guy. Lisa hates both "special needs"people and a-holes. You could be in double jeopardy.

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  108. Have ya ever noticed that Diaz ALWAYS has to have the last word during an interview? She is so full of herself. She should go back to walking the beat, or better yet, PASADENA! What a joke...

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  109. Hey Anon @ 10:05, I was told by one of our officers, that the dept has three remaining officers left responsible for the banner that was posted back seven to eight years ago.

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