If the people of Sierra Madre had not gone to the meetings at City Hall, had they not spoken out during Public Comment, or had they not voiced their opinions on this blog, or not spoken about it with their neighbors and friends, or done nothing at all, would the Kensington Assisted Living Facility project still be going to a Measure V vote this November? Would they have been heard by the party that eventually decided that this project must go to a ballot for approval as is stated by the law? I rather doubt it. This is people power at its finest. And our right to vote on downtown development projects out of compliance with Measure V was saved despite a very determined (and rather confused) effort by City Hall to take all of that away.
And despite such absurd gambits as an almost entire Planning Commission meeting based on whether the City's definition of a "living unit" was ambiguous or not (the Commission unanimously decided that it was not), our voices were heard, and by an unlikely party. And because of that our rights were preserved and our will prevailed.
Yesterday a letter from Billy Shields was received by City Hall, and it contained what must have been some very astonishing news for the folks there. Here is the passage from that letter that I find to be so surprising.
We understand that real estate development projects stimulate multiple opinions and various levels of concern about how new proposals may impact the neighborhood and community at large. While it is common to have opposing interests that make it impossible to satisfy "all the people all the time," we will work especially hard to incorporate all reasonable suggestions, while still keeping an eye on the ultimate objective that the final project must be a successful enterprise for the sake of the community, the residents and families we serve, and our business.
We believe a process that includes input from an informed community results in a better development. We also hope that a fully collaborative process will lead to the Kensington Assisted Living project becoming an important and valuable member of your community.
For these reasons, we respectfully request that the City Council pass a resolution that: Following completion of the review by the Planning Commission, and approval by the City Council, the KENSINGTON ASSISTED LIVING Project be placed on the November 2012 ballot to be voted upon by the citizens of Sierra Madre.
The full letter is posted on Bill Coburn's news site, and can be accessed by clicking here. Bill also posted a fairly informative article on these matters, yet somehow neglected to mention Measure V. Which seems rather stubborn and unrealistic of him. It is kind of like building a house without taking into account the need for a foundation. I seriously doubt that Shields or any other developer would ever call for a resident vote here on their own project if Measure V was not the law in Sierra Madre.
This also brings up a rather interesting situation. You might have thought that the people we pay to represent our interests would have been the first ones to follow a law that we ourselves voted into existence. And that City Hall would have informed the developer at the outset of this process that a city-wide vote on the Kensington project is legally required here.
But in this case it wasn't our City Hall that demanded that the law be followed, or heard the voice of the people, it was the developer. And the developer, in this case Mr. Shields, was the one who called for the vote, and on his own project! And in the process tossed aside the misguided efforts made on his behalf by City Hall. Can anyone here ever recall such a thing taking place anywhere else before?
This is unprecedented in my opinion. It was the development company, and not our own City Hall, that put its faith in the people of Sierra Madre, and in doing so complied with our laws.
Apparently Billy Shields figured out that the source of a lot of the controversy over the Kensington was not so much the project itself, but the clumsy efforts of City Hall to evade a legally mandated vote as written into the law here by the people. Which also means that Shields had come to understand that City Hall, in its efforts on his behalf to impede a Measure V vote, was actually doing more harm to his project than good. And that the time had come to step in and put an end to all that.
I personally find this to be a rather amazing event. And because of it I am going to take an entirely new look at this project and the people behind it. I am sure there will be differences, and at times things will get contentious, but at least we're negotiating with a stand-up guy who respects the people of Sierra Madre. I certainly can't say the same for the people who were supposed to be looking out for our interests.
But wait, there's more!
The Pasadena Star News this morning has an article up on their website entitled, "Developer puts Sierra Madre assisted living facility on track for November election" (click here). It covers a lot of the same territory we've discussed here, and unlike the Sierra Madre News.net article it does mention Measure V. But there is also a rather revealing passage, one that highlights the attitude of City Hall throughout this process.
The developer behind a proposed assisted-living facility has asked the City Council to put the project on the November ballot, easing some concerns about compliance with a 2007 city measure. Kensington Assisted Living Facility, which would replace a vacant nursing home at 235 W. Sierra Madre Blvd., is still set to go before the Planning Commission on Feb. 16.
The project would go to the City Council if the Planning Commission approves it, and the council would make any decision to add it to the election, according to City Manager Elaine Aguilar. "It needs to go through the entire review process if the Planning Commission and City Council," Aguilar said, noting that the process had barely started.
While it is true that both the Planning Commission and the City Council will have to approve this project before it goes forward, Elaine's observation about the City Council deciding whether or not to put this on the ballot is not. If this project is approved by both bodies, and it is then to go on and gain full legal approval, then according to a voter approved Sierra Madre law, it must go on the ballot.
This really isn't a decision for them at all. It is dictated by law and must happen. The City Council is not above the law. For a figure in our government as influential as the City Manager to believe it is could very well put our City into legal jeopardy someday.
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ReplyDeleteThis is a major project for our community, it's good seeing the community come together.
Thank you John for your help.
Elaine Aguilar is just another LIAR.
ReplyDeleteI second that. But one the biggest LIARS I have ever met.
DeleteI am sure city hall will put their smiley faces on when discussing Billy's decision, but this is clearly a defeat for them. They do not look very good right now.
ReplyDeleteCredit MaryAnn MacGillivray for this victory. But, it will remain to be seen how the ballot measure is worded. I won't vote for it if it changes anything about Measure V or the General Plan except to allow for this project and this project only to go forward.
ReplyDeleteSo the developer had to step in and put this disgraceful episode to rest. City Hall has embarrassed us again.
ReplyDeleteI think the Kensington project is a perfect match for our town. Thanks Billy! I vote yes. Catherine Evans
ReplyDeleteI vote yes only after the Planning Commission works over the application and makes it comply totally with the provisions of Measure V.
ReplyDeleteUp until yesterday I would have voted no. But seeings how the developer himself asked the city to put this on the ballot I am rethinking everything. Decency and honor is deserving of respect. I am waiting to be convinced.
ReplyDeleteI guarantee you are not going to ever believe how massive this building complex is from looking at the facade drawings on paper.
ReplyDeleteGrade the site to level with the sidewalk, put more parking underground, two story finished height not more than half a story above what is there now, forget about "mission" style and go for modest, well-designed mid-century modern, reduce the number of dwelling units/living units to comply with Measure V.
Now I vote yes!
Thank you Tattler, thank you MaryAnn MacGillivray, thank you candidates Braudrick, Capoccia, and Harabedian for speaking up, and Koerber for your letter...And a big thank you Tattlers for showing up, speaking up, and letter-writing! Don't forget, though, that it's not over. Please come to the Planning Commission meeting next Tuesday, and thank the developers. We MUST keep the pressure on City Hall!
ReplyDeleteHear hear! Attendance is a must. The evil empire is probably at work right now trying to figure out a way to wriggle off the stake.
DeleteThank you Tattler and Tattler readers for being a part of this activism to protect your property values, your right to have a say against intrusive actions by the current city council majority.
ReplyDeleteThank you, Kurt Zimmerman and Chris Sutton and to council minority member, MaryAnn MacGillivray and former councilman, Don Watts.
Please don't vote for councilmembers because they are "nice guys", civil or you hear rumors their opponents are against safety services. They are lies being spread by those with "hidden agendas".
MaryAnn MacGillivray has been good enough to run again for a council seat.
Based on how well she has served this community in past years and this difficult past two years....she has earned my vote and hopefully yours.
What did so-called civility get us? Josh Moran and Nancy Walsh. They are the consequences of voter stupidity.
ReplyDeleteJosh Moran is part of the problem.
DeleteI have a problem with his roommate, Colin Braudrick.
A member of police officer's association, a union who "encourages" their members to get elected to city councils and promote their union contracts.
He may be a "nice young man" but he is not suitable for our city council at this time. He is being supported by Toni Moran, Josh's mother and several other people in town who do not have your best interests at heart, do we really need another Josh Moran on the CC?
John Harabedian is also a nice young man, who hasn't been in Sierra Madre much in the past 8 years, he obviously has a political career ahead of him, but it should not start in Sierra Madre, at this time. He will likely be supported by a major political party, and that shouldn't be acceptable here in our small town.
7:49, you or someone with the same idea, keep posting that Toni Moran supports Colin Braudrick. Do you have proof of that? For a while it was also being posted that Mrs. Buchanan supported Colin. Any proof?
DeleteToni Moran was at the city council meeting where Braudrick got up and spoke against Fay Angus' comments. She and Teri Buchanan and Carol Canterbury applauded Braudrick. It's on a Neuroblast tape here in this website.
DeleteAdditionally, Toni Moran has a Braudrick for City Council sign on her lawn over on Manzanita.
So does long time Doyle Buchanan, Mosca, Lambdin, Stockley supporter Pete Sieberal.
Proof enough for me.
Thanks 8:48.
DeleteThe council clapping is not proof, but the lawn sign sure is.
Have any of you who posted above ever spoken to the man? I doubt it.
DeleteInstead of spending your time smearing someone you haven't met, why not talk to the candidate?
I remember people used to say that about Joe Mosca. "Have you ever actually spoken to Joe? He is wonderful!" they said. So I went and spoke to Joe and it was an all bun no hamburger moment. He said a lot and none of it was either interesting or important.
Delete6:24, I appreciate your concern for your chosen representative, but you might want to watch the presumption. Not everyone who posts an opinion, even one against your choice, is ignorant of who these candidates are.
DeleteHe's not my chosen representative 7:38, that's your assumption. I haven't made a choice, and in no way defended the candidate. Please feel free to read the post above again, perhaps you will comprehend it repeated viewings. My larger point was to make up your mind based on facts, not misrepresentations or parroted talking points. I had the same experience that 7:30 had with Mosca and I didn't vote for him based on that conversation. I presume nothing.
DeleteThe development intere$t$ in this town, apparently led by Buchanan and Company, have never been able to wrap their minds around the idea of Measure V.
ReplyDeleteThey still are unable to accept the law,it can be said,it was the instrument that drove the people to act unilaterally to fight for Measure V.
They cannot put self interest ahead of democratic principles.
They would have been happy to skirt the law whatever way they could. The City attorney apparently didn't have the courage to explain the risks in an attempt to force a major legal battle. "The People vs. the City of Sierra Madre".
The arrogance truly is an embarassment.
Perhaps Buchanan can join Mosca in London when his term is up. I guess they stopped teaching ethics and the Constition in law school where they graduated from.
Memo to the next city council: clean house. Start with the city manager.
ReplyDeleteThe City Manager is the biggest part of the problem we have in Sierra Madre. She needs to be replaced, let-go or just plain FIRED!
DeleteBad Memories: "It needs to go through the entire process." That was old Joe's line about the DSP!
ReplyDeleteSaid a thousand times.
I disagree with you Tattler that this move by the developers is unprecedented. Their goal is to get the project built and start raking in the dough. They figured out the best way to do it. And that's a lawyer's letter, with Billy Shields' signature.
ReplyDeleteYou could be right. But isn't it telling that Billy's lawyer might have advised him to dump city staff and go with the popular vote? Sometimes even stone cold business decisions have a little bit of justice in them.
DeleteThe justice part was incidental. They are working in a large, competitive, luxury business that makes far more than a healthy profit.
DeleteI like justice, though. It's a good thing. And if somebody can make serious money in Sierra Madre that isn't a church? Wouldn't that would be something.
DeleteA lot of bi-polarism in some of these Tattler posts. "The developer is the Devil!" "The developer is a Saint." We don't believe any of it. It's just a business venture. If the business is limited to the Measure V requirements, it won't be worth building. The developer still wants 75 or more "suites." One more than 13 per acre, and we are voting no.
ReplyDelete8:23 is right. The third bullet point in that letter was a total justification for everything the city was trying to get away with. I'm starting to think that dwelling unit fandango was the developers' idea in the first place.
ReplyDeleteWhat is important to me is that Measure V not only survives, but becomes a truly living and breathing part of this community's development plans. That is what we got here. It is a big win.
ReplyDeleteI agree 8:49.
ReplyDeleteAnd the developer will be doing both things - putting forth a "less ambiguous" definition of dwelling unit, and putting the project to a public vote because it will exceed the density limits.
At first, there was only the clarification and no vote. This is better.
Don't fall for the "throw away" ploy...all developers start off with much more than they know will be approved and the "acquiesce" to the "will" of the people and get pretty much what they thought would be their bottom line in the first place.
ReplyDeleteMother Moran has a Colin yard sign up and has been part of his cheering section as he goes to the podium at City Council meetings the past few weeks.
ReplyDeleteWell that's helpful in making a decision.
DeleteJosh Moran is more than enough of realty industry representation.
No doubts about that 8:53. This was a good move from the legal team of Fountain Square West - though the use of the word "love" might have been excessive.
ReplyDeleteOne thing is for sure, this won't be easy. But it won't be boring, either. This is how business gets done, Sierra Madre style!
ReplyDeleteDon't say you are going to vote yes for this project until you see the final project. As it is currently presented.......it is not right for this community.
ReplyDeleteThere are many things that MUST be changed.
The Star News article on the ALF vote is #5 on their website most read list.
ReplyDeleteThis is our town, many of us have lived here for years, and many of us want to live here for years to come. Design and build this thing for Sierra Madre's needs, not the developers/bankers/investors bottom line.
ReplyDeleteI think 8:40 is accurate, and it is just a business; not a charity, not a hospital, not a loving home for your loved ones; a business. So the negotiations continue to be important. Obviously the business owners need greater density than Measure V allows, so that's the part of the PR campaign that they will focus on the most. They already know what their break even numbers are. But Crawford is right that the vote would not have existed were it not for resident activism.
ReplyDeleteMeasure V Lives!
ReplyDelete@10:12 Are the Tattlers cheating again? I read on SMNewsnet how you guys cheat.
ReplyDeleteYep. You don't want to play poker with a Tattler. You'd be lucky to leave the room with your shoes.
DeleteWhat is SMNEWSNET and how do you pronounce it?
Delete"SMUN-NEWZ-NIT"
DeleteIt is a newsite where nobody ever comments. They seem to confuse integrity with being boring.
My guess would be it's more like suhmuhnuznit,
Deletecondenses to smooznit
So now we see the strategy of Colin and Harabedian. Both have created flyers, Harabedian for his kick-off party, and Colin's mailer sent city wide today. They are both printed by Union companies- which means that both Colin and Harabedian are taking Union money and donations. This is a slippery slope. If the Union pays for your campaign, they call the shots when you are in office. So, where will Harabedian's and Colin's allegiences be? with the Unions or with Sierra Madre?
ReplyDeleteWait, are you saying that because they used a union printing shop that they will automatically put "union" interests before Sierra Madre's? Wow, that's conspiracy at its finest. Its fair to say that because Koerber is receiving tea party money and support that he will likely push forward a tea party agenda, but your theory is strained at best.
Delete11:52 and 12:48 ought to take it outside.
DeleteClick on my name for the link to Chris Koerber's campaign manager history. Such a short memory we have here in Sierra Madre.
DeleteI remember 5:21.
DeleteApparently, the story de jour is that those previous behaviors were a part of earning a paycheck - a proud fulfillment of obligations.
Just got to watch out who's offering top dollar.
In addition to her Carter One complicity, wasn't she involved with the Cumquat and the Qunt? She has a rather interesting history. Why did Koerber choose her? Doesn't he read the Tattler? Huge error of judgment - hope his judgment isn't as faulty as a councilman. Are there any cached sites of the Qunt?
DeleteSince we are going down that route, perhaps we can get an explanation from Colin's camp on why the names Josh Moran and Lisa Spigai-Perez appear on his nomination papers. Both of them are suspected of falling into the Cumquat camp as well. In addition to being a pair of knuckleheads.
DeleteTypical slippery slope argument 11:52, try to think harder before you post.
DeleteThis is a difficult election in terms of figuring out supporters. Good thing there are actual candidates running.
DeleteProbably the most effective campaign that is going on is also the quietest. Yep. Stealth phone trees.
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DeleteI agree with 7:22. While it looks like fisticuffs are going to break out on the Tattler, an under the radar campaign is in progress.
DeleteChris listens to everything Sandy tells him too. I have yet to see him at a meeting without her whispering in his ear what to say. I am not worried about unions, since council rarely makes union decisions. But having one of the most pro development people in Sierra Madre as you campaign manager??? That's crazy!!!
Delete@ 6:08, I wonder if you've got the stones to call Lisa a knucklehead in person?
DeleteYou're all so gullible. Read between the lines and it is essentially an advisory vote. Bye Bye Measure V.
ReplyDelete'splain please.
DeleteSomebody is trying to be a buzzkill.
DeleteToo much gloom and doom 12:08. It does not say it's advisory, and Measure V states:
Delete'"Voter approval" means an ordinance proposed by the city council or voter petition and affirmatively approved by a majority voting "YES" on it at a regularly-scheduled city election. The entire text of any such proposed ordinance shall appear in all sample ballot materials."
The council would have to take a few more illegal steps to turn it into advisory.
Take that, buzzkill.
Deleteanon 12:08 You should fire who's reading this for you.
DeleteAnd here's a little something for any city manager who says it's up to the council:
ReplyDelete"17.35.020
D. Downtown development decisions that could deviate from our long-standing goals should be made by the entire city after a public debate and an election, and not by a few city hall insiders."
Hey, there's a conversation going on a few threads back. COG and slick Nick, and a great suggestion for a city coucil decision to withdraw from COG.
ReplyDeleteYeah, been watching that one. I like the list of all the COG members that have been sent to the pokey recently. Fine bunch of citizens.
DeleteThey forgot one Mayor. Sixteen percent of the Cities in the COG have had their former mayors convicted of felonies in the last couple of years or so. It lists them all.
DeleteNice pun, 12:48, saying that the conspiracy theorists alleging that Chris Koerber would be indebted to the tea party would be "a strain."
ReplyDeleteIt was steeped in humor.
DeleteCheck out John Capoccia's great column on Patch about voting no on the UUT.
ReplyDeleteThanks for the tip, 2:19pm. It is a great discussion on the UUT. John writes extremely well, in langage that anyone can understand! He's got my vote.
Delete1:31, you mean this one from 12:24 on the 1/7/12 comments?
ReplyDelete"These are COGSTERS who have or who are going to jail just in the last year or so:
Sharon Martinez SGVCOG Vice President Monterey Park
Former Mayor Kathe Wilson Temple City
Former Mayor Judy Wong Arcadia
Former Mayor John Tran Rosemead
They might have a quorum in the joint."
Sorry, one more we forgot Mayor Louis Lujan of La Puente. That means 16 percent of the COGSTER City Mayors are now convicted felons.
DeleteI hesitate to celebrate this "victory" just yet. City Council monsters and our unethical city manager will try and spin this latest development in the ongoing fight for a vote on this project so that they have final approval, not the resident voters. And a word of caution: just because the developer is promoting a city-wide vote on his project does not mandate it. Measure V mandates it. He's not the hero here, though his actions are appreciated indeed. Measure V is our guiding light and it is with Measure V that this project must comply or go to vote. As many of the commenters above have noted, this project needs more modification in order to make it most suitable for this city and its target building location. Everybody get on down to Planning Commission meeting next Thursday and join the discussion - it is your right as a voter and tax paying resident as well as an imperative to ensure that the law prevails (Measure V).
ReplyDeleteWell-said. 2-30-13 or forget about it.
DeleteUnions are the backbone of our country. They work.
ReplyDeleteteaparty members are extreem and secretive. They threaten.
this is serious and we are more and more divided.
Gets really dumb down here at the bottom of the comments.
DeleteLumber sitting on the empty lot on east sm blvd where the condos are going, concrete poured on east montecito yesterday where the homeless shelter is going...you folks don't get out much do you?
ReplyDelete...and a big truck from a document shredding company driving around City Hall this afternoon.....
DeleteNo, most of us work for a living.
DeleteWhats the process
ReplyDelete1. to remove Elaine Aguliar, and her staff from being employeed by the Sierra Madre residenrs???
It seems to me that a small group hiding behind the "anonymous" moniker on this site is babbling to and amongst themselves - a true tempest in a teapot. What do all these naysayers really know about the needs of a large and growing population of seniors, within our community and nearby neighborhoods, when it comes to quality of life when living with Alzheimers or some other memory issue? While you all bitch and moan about politics and buildings, the national and local statistics point to a tidal wave epidemic of of the 65+ generation who will REQUIRE some form of memory care assistance. Why don't you consider the situation from a human need perspective? Sierra Madre is by no means immune from the Alzheimers epidemic and if it were your parent, grandparent or loved one in need of high quality care, any or all of you would be hard pressed to say you wouldn't want them to be somewhere safe, dependable and capable of caring for them. So many here are focused on politics instead of reality and the future. How is the eyesore that is currently there serving us? Funny how this city seeks an "older" Sierra Madre Senior of American of the Year to honor for their community service while potentially denying that same "older" person the options and choice they may shortly need. Hypocrisy at its best.
ReplyDeleteYou have completely missed the point. Very few posting here are aginst the ALF being built. What they are against is the demollishing of Measure V in order to do it. The discussion is far deeper than you acknowledge, and perhaps that is because you don't understand it. And in the process you are insulting people who actually agree with your argument.
DeleteI think hypocrisy at its best can be more readily found in an overpriced facility, designed to keep the population just under the minimum that would greater greater training and expertise from staff, trying to pass itself of as a humanitarian institution that exists to share the love.
DeleteCome on,
DeleteI am 65 and I cannot remember everything. But my kids remember to make sure I remember.
Thank God because I am lost. I have gone to look for myself. If I should return before I get back, please ask me to wait.
I used to think that you could catch more flies with honey. But then one day I began to realize that I didn't really want to catch any flies. So now I just say what I really want to say.
ReplyDeleteAmazing what can be accomplished when citizens become engaged in the process. Often times, officials simply do whatever they choose because no one holds them accountable. Kudos to the residents of Sierra Madre.
ReplyDeleteALFington does not propose any Alzheimer's unit.
ReplyDeleteIt proposes a "Memory unit" - that would include Alzheimers patients.
DeleteIt most certainly does! I don't remember the "units" alloted to the Memory Unit, but it's significant. A population most in need of care.
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