Wednesday, July 25, 2012

Your City Council Meeting Companion

"Man oh man, I need a break. Think I'll go microwave my toothpaste." - Comment left here last night at 10:43 pm.

I hate it when things go so well. I got pretty much everything I wanted at the City Council meeting last night, and I swear I have never been so unhappy. And they were all so agreeable while doing it. If things keep up like this I can just as well give up the blog and go back to doing crossword puzzles. Which was how I used to spend my time before I started doing this.

There is also this frightening thought. What if The Tattler actually has become influential, and what gets written here actually has some influence at City Council meetings? What the h--- am I going to do then? After a lifetime of being against almost everything, suddenly I have to face the indignity of being a part of the solution? Has it all come to this? If so, it could call for a personal reinvention.

And then there is this question. Does cheerful news make for good blog content?

OK, now that I have shared some of my deepest and darkest thoughts, let's see if I can remember what actually went on last night. There are already 609 hits on this site since the City Council meeting began, and it is now 11:45 pm. The pressure is on. And please, don't get me wrong, it wasn't all nice.

The first thing I'd like to note here is just about the last thing that happened at this meeting. John Harabedian asked to agendize a City Council conversation regarding the SGVCOG and Sierra Madre's role as a part of it. I have no idea where he is going with this, but a number of COG member cities are doing something like it, with the City of Walnut having actually already gotten out. As evidenced by former COG Executive Director Nick Conway going on trial for various corruption related activities, there seems to be the beginning of a reform movement taking place in the San Gabriel Valley. And there is no place on Earth that needs one more.

Colin Braudrick returned to the limelight of City Hall last night with a lot of very good news about the Library. Good to see him back in the world. His absence had been noted. Colin was wearing the coolest Pabst Blue Ribbon tee shirt I've seen in a while. Old school American beer is making a comeback, and Pabst is leading the way. It even comes in cans. Next time you're down at Robin's Ribs you owe it to yourself to order some. Lighter than air, and when served ice cold, far more refreshing. All things come full circle eventually. Even beer.

In one of the most elegantly delivered smack downs I have seen in a while, the Chairman of the Senior Commission, Bill Nelson, laid one on Nancy Walsh that would have knocked out Joe Frasier. After discussing the various increased costs to seniors for such things as City sponsored lunches and trips on the round about, Bill noted that he did not discover that prices per ride had gone up on our local town jitney until he experienced it himself on July 13. Turns out the rate increase had begun on July 1st. Why hadn't the Chairman of the Senior Commission been notified by Nancy Walsh? Can it really be she didn't inform the people she so famously claims to represent?

There was some conversation about the upcoming League of California Cities confab in San Diego, which is going down September 5th through the 7th. Registration fees are a cool $625 per happy camper attending, with room rates at the San Diego Marriott Marquis and Marina running about $400 for two nights. That's before taxes, mini bar, in-room entertainment and meals, of course. Chris Koerber was pressing for the actual expenses involved in this visitation, and the always charmless Josh, bless his testy heart, actually used the word "inappropriate" to describe his concern. Which I found to be inappropriate since we're talking about the peoples' cash here.

A lot of the sensitivity over the League's big yearly event stems from the grotesque sums of money our merry junketeers spent in San Francisco last year. It does seem like a lot of money to squander on an organization that is doing everything it can to strip cities such as ours of their last vestiges of independence. Particularly in these economically parlous times.

The two vacancies on the Planning Commission were filled. Earlier I said that I had gotten everything I wanted out of this meeting, but that isn't entirely true. I was really pulling for De Alcorn to get a shot. There are not many people who have worked harder for this City than De.

However, in Manish Desai and Ken Goldstein the people of Sierra Madre got two moderate and thoughtful souls that appear to understand what it is the people of this town want. Which, in case you don't know, is for Sierra Madre to stay Sierra Madre. And while Ken wasn't there to speak last night (he did show up later), you might recall the chat he delivered when he was looking to get on the Library Board. A job that went instead to Gene Goss. It appears that fate saved him for something more important.

Next up was the delightfully entitled "Municipal Code Regarding Public Nuisances, Code Enforcement Fees, And Attorney's Fees." Who says there is no poetry in our City Hall? Long story short, the City Council gave its in initial approval to something that will eventually lead to the City having yet another way to chase revenue. In this case reclaiming the costs of enforcing City Codes, along with the costs of paying lawyers to do the dirty work. Despite all the earnest chatter from the City Council, I still see a distinct downside to this one.

The main event of last night was establishing the ballot language for this November's vote on the Kensington. And something happened that would have seemed unbelievable just a few months earlier, and that is this vote will be conducted under the full auspices of Measure V. Rather than spend the rest of the night going through all the details, I thought I would post the statement I received late last night from Councilmember Chris Koerber.

After an exhaustive review of the Kensington proposal - nine Planning Commission meetings and three City Council meetings - I am pleased that the city is moving forward with the November vote to approve what will undoubtedly be an asset to the Sierra Madre community.

While the proposed Kensington project is not a perfect project, it is nonetheless a very good project. I am particularly pleased that the project maintains the spirit of Measure V. Allowing citizens to vote on such an important project helps to ensure the community has a say in major city changes - especially those located in the Downtown Central Core. I'm especially pleased that private funds are being used for the Kensington - this avoiding further burdens on Sierra Madre's budget.

I thank the applicant, Fountain Square Development West, for their cooperation with the city and, also, for their request to put the project up for a Measure V vote. I look forward to construction of this important project moving forward (pending the results of the November 6, 2012 vote), both for the important services it will bring to our community and also for the revenue it will generate for Sierra Madre as well.

There is one more thing. During the discussion about how the Kensington ballot language should read, there was some concern over the usage of the term "consistent with." As I noted yesterday, the fear being that this usage could later be misappropriated (so to speak) for ulterior purposes later on. Councilmember Harabedian asked why the term "specified by" couldn't take its place. The City Attorney explained the reasons for her phrasing of the question, and after some conversation her version prevailed. Part of the problem is by law such ballot questions must be limited to 75 words, and under that restriction what we got is the best available. It is good to see that this matter was fully aired out.

All in all a pretty good night. But like I said, this is going to take some getting used to.

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106 comments:

  1. What happened to the language of the ALF ballot? Did it get changed to correct the concerns expressed here yesterday?

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    1. The question was raised by John Harabedian, with John Cappocia and Chris Koerber expressing similar concerns. The City Attorney explained why she chose the language that she did, and the City Council eventually went along with it. Good question, and I have added something at the end of today's post.

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  2. Thank you Tattlers for staying on this, and speaking up two weeks ago. Without our input, City Council could have ignored the clamor for a Measure V vote. I, too, am sorry De Alcorn didn't get chosen for the Planning Commission, but I know we have one good guy (don't know anything about Goldstein). Chris Koerber cleverly called out Barbara Cole, who admitted that she thought condos where Howie's is was a good idea. Best quote of the evening, Chairperson Bob Spears at the podium, introducing himself, "I live in a DWELLING UNIT in town!"

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    1. I think the best quote around the Spears speech came from Harabedian, who actually made a joke. He said that Spears should give that kind of speech before any commission appointments, and then the council's job would be easier because they would have fewer applicants to choose from.

      But then Mayor Moran jumped in to spend the public's dime by suggesting that Spears be paid to do it, like a consultant.

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  3. De is a stand up guy and I am sure he is pleased that the two new Planning Commissioners will keep the work of the PC on an even keel (this phrase chosen especially for De). Passing over him for two who will not be a dirt slam dunk pleases him I am sure.

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    1. De is a true Treasure of Sierra Madre. I'm much more secure having him on the public side of the podium where he can continue to poke and jab against those Council Members who feel that once elected they have been given a mandate to politik against the interests of the public.

      Now let's look forward to Harabedian leading the charge to get us out of the SGVCOG.

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    2. I sense that Mr. Harabedian has figured out which way the wind is blowing.

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  4. I did not make it through the whole meeting, so have to ask, since 'specified by' and 'consistent with' are both two word phrases, what has the 75 word requirement got to do with preferring one over the other?

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    1. I think that the meeting will rebroadcast several times this week.

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    2. If Capoccia and Koerber are OK with it, that'll do for me.

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  5. I, too, am having to readjust the level of angst I have about council business.
    There are two and two-thirds council members I trust to be on the look-out for the town, and it's not so stressful.

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    1. Watching Chris Koerber and John Capoccia at work on behalf of the taxpayers is like looking at fine art or listening to a symphony. I stand in awe of the depth of their understanding and their ability to speak out. Koerber's questioning of Barbara Cole was nothing short of brilliant. Dare I say it? Harkening back to the days of Columbo!

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    2. What was great about his questioning of Cole is that she had no idea about the path she was being led down. I suspect she thought she was saying the things this city council wanted to hear. Obviously she hasn't been paying much attention.

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    3. We do not know who the individuals are in some of the land holding LLCs in town, but I was wondering if she is in one of them. She said she was standing in front of Howies looking at the blueprints for the three story condo extravaganza that was part of the Dreadful Specific Plot. That was not an open to the public, come and look at our blueprint type of deal.

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    4. Cole owns property on East Montecito - and she has been entrenched in Pasadena development for years

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    5. Would have been a full three if MacGillivray was re-elected.

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  6. Wasn't Walsh involved in raising the rates on the seniors? Didn't she vote for that?

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    1. Uh oh. She kissed but didn't tell.

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    2. What was it Bill Nelson said? $120 to ride the shuttle to lunch at Hart House for a month? And that's after the majority of the cost has been subsidized by the taxpayer. Did everyone see the $18,000 line item in the warrants for First Transit or whatever it's called? The City could send taxis to pick up each senior and stand by to return them home and still save money. But then Nancy thinks bringing in vendors to provide fresh apples and muffins for her grandchildren is a good use of resources. The woan is off her kilter.

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    3. Nancy Walsh is the most incompetent person I can ever remember to serve on the city council.
      She needs to resign.

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    4. If she voted to raise the rates, and still claims to be all for the seniors, she's being hypocritical.

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  7. I find the $625 to attend a convention put on by an organization that promotes development to be shocking. And those hotel prices - are there no Motel Sixes in the San Diego area?
    Why would anyone from Sierra Madre go to that?
    If they feel they must, they need to pay for it themselves.

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    1. Did I hear Aguilar mutter something about staff going?

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    2. Last year all the City Councilmembers except MaryAnn went, along with directors and above. This while the City was doing away with child care services because we were running out of money.

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    3. You may remember that the childcare services are primarily for out of town youngsters and the taxpayers of Sierra Madre were subsidizing those services. Damned nice of 'em, too. Can't know anythig about the number or ages because it's against the law to disclosre information about minors.

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    4. Great idea 7:39. Anyone who wants to be there in person, instead of sifting trough the pages and pages of notes and reports and assorted poo-bah that this meeting will generate, can pay for it themselves. Like most tax payers, I am sick of paying for meets and greets for local politicians. Basta!

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  8. A big thanks to councilman Koerber for the close questioning he does of all those damn checks the city pays. Maybe it'll inspire the city manager to be more thorough in the accounting of what money is being spent on, and to tighten the city's belt.

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    1. When are we finally going to go out for bids on a new City Attorney? Seems like this one never gets on the agenda!

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    2. It's been on the agenda; staff was directed to work with Koerber and Harabedian to develop an RFP and bring it back to council. You should pay attention.

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    3. When will this happen? When will it make it to a city council meeting? When will we see the results?

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    4. If by results you mean when will C&L be replaced the answer is when pigs fly. If you mean when will Ms. Highsmith act with Sierra Madre's best interests and be responsive to the taxpayers who pay the otrageous legal bills perhaps last night was a viewing of the new attitude.

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    5. The first meeting in July Koerber announced it was on the August 14 agenda. He also said that citizens who were worried about the buckets of money we throw at legal expenses regularly ought to come and give input. I may have that wrong, but that's what I remember.

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  9. Councilmember Koerber,

    You are quoted as saying of the desirability of the ALF, " . . . the revenue it will generate for Sierra Madre . . . " You are lauded here as intelligent and thorough. Would you provide a best estimate of how much revenue the City of Sierra Madre can hope to gain from the Alf?

    Thank you.

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    1. 8:06, If you really want an answer to your question, you should send it to the the councilman at city hall. The Tattler is a great place for community communication, but it isn't any council members email address.
      You can send an email through the city website:
      http://www.cityofsierramadre.com/sierra-madre-contacts/contact-city-officals

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    2. 8:24, why would it be better for one Tattler to communicate individually with a councilmember rather than for the councilmember to address all the readers of The Tattler? Let's assume she writes to Koerber and he responds to her, then what does she do, try to post the response on The Tattler.

      What we need are more answers and less "process." If everyone thought as you do, there would be no Tattler. We could all just wait for the "official" word from our "official" Looney Views News.

      Crawford has changed the game, by calling a spade a spade. It's a simple question. How much revenue is the ALF going to bring? Don't you want to know?

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    3. Yeah, OK, Miss Manners, and maybe we'll all write to Obama and send letters to Santa.

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    4. Anybody that can correct my assumption that almost all property tax and sales tax goes to the county not the city?

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    5. Billy Shields was asked that very question. His answer is only an estimate but it's in the Council record. Something about $500,000 in permits, increased and on-going property tax on the improved site, $$$ spent in Sierra Madre by the residents, staff, and visitors, and some amount of money into the local economy for local payroll, building materials, and services.

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    6. What we need is more distance between the citizens and the politicians so that they can save the world without being bothered by pesky questions.

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    7. The saleman's pitch and the facts are typically unrelated. Your mileage may vary.

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    8. Francis Pharcellus ChurchJuly 25, 2012 at 9:04 AM

      Virginia, it is not appropriate that you ask this question publically. You should address your question to Mr. Santa Clause, North Pole.

      If you do not get an immediate reponse, be patient.

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    9. It's Mr. Manners, and all I was suggesting was that council people may or may not follow the comments on the Tattler, and shouldn't be asked to break their anonymity if they post.

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    10. You know what? The Tattler is now the mainstream news outlet in this town. It is by far the most read. People have voted with their eyeballs, and the results are people don't care for the mealy-mouthed pap put out by the Looney, Patch or Coburn. Sierra Madre wants the real story.

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    11. I agree 10:00 a.m. - but there are all kinds of restrictions on elected officials. They have to keep a strong line between what is public knowledge, what is not, and what would be a Brown Act violation to discuss if other council members were to see it.

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    12. If the councilmembers don't read the Tattler, including scanning the posts, they are out of touch with the citizens. This illusion that you only have access to politicians in the vacuum of meetings you don't have the time to attend, or private correspondence in which you are marginalized by the unpublished response has got to stop, and the Tattler, is leading the way. Remember Tai theelephant. What good would personal letters to the councilmembers have accomplished. It's time to stop hiding our democracy behind walls of fake ceremony.

      Mr. Koerber certainly has no obligation to respond to a question. But if he contends that the ALF is a financial benefit to the community, he does have an obligation to be as precise as he can as to what that fiancial benefit is.

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    13. What crap. A Brown Act violation to clarify "revenue" with an estimated dollar amount. Come on Steve, you can do better than that.

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    14. Send the Councilmember an email, Steve. I am sure he will access your concerns.

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    15. Now we're talking: "revenue," "concerns," "access," keep the rubes in the dark.

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    16. 8:06, great set up for a troll section! You are rarely that successful, and nice innovation of referring to your own posts.
      As always, thanks for bumping up the numbers.

      The meaningless circles and the confusion are the hallmark of an intentional mislead.

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    17. I think Steve has been passing the dutchie.

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  10. I was astounded at the amount of money spent on the Sierra Madre Rose Parade Float. Now if folks want to volunteer and give money that's their business but as a taxpayer I'm not willing to have the city fill in the gaps. Maybe what's his name and the committee should think about entering a float every other year and work on their fundraising in the off years.

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    1. I also think the float is a frivolous expense - but it is one of the sacred cows.

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    2. Chill out, the City doesn't pay a dime to build the float. It's funded by private contributions.

      Instead of being a hater, why don't you cut a donation check and drop it off at the float barn?

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    3. I'd rather contribute to the Humane Society or the Sierra Madre Playouse, maybe the Little League or any of a number of worthwhile causes that directly affects folks and organizations of my choice. Rose Float? Who built the barn? Who pays the utilities on it? Why, if the city's not involved, does that goofy guy show up several times a year with his hat in his hand? I believe he said last night that less than a dozen people are involved.

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    4. I actually met one of the primary float supporters earlier this week and she indicated that most of those involved with building the float and fundraising for it live out of town (she and her husband, who both work on our float, live in Highland Park). Apparently, there is little or no volunteer assistance generally offered by the residents. If residents do not care enough to volunteer the needed labor to ensure that their city is represented in the great annual floral fanfare called the Rose Parade, then perhaps we should not have a float...

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    5. There are hundreds of Sierra Madrians who are thrilled to see our little float in the Rose Parade. We donate our money and are glad to help as much as we can. That we don't volunteer for the major construction does not mean that we don't want to have a float. There is no money coming out of the general fund for the float. The City owns the land, but the rose float assn. built the building.

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    6. So the City gets no rent but pays the utilities?

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    7. 8:30 defines someone who is not a fan of the float as a hater.
      Here's another definition - a fan of the waste of time, energy, resources and money spent on a float is a profligate dufus.

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  11. I have a question. Now that Josh Moran has given up his years of opposition to Measure V and basically caved in to political expediency, what exactly does he stand for now?

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    1. Josh Moran has accomplished in a brief period that which eluded John Buchanan after two terms: a legacy. Josh Moran will be remembered for bringing the Kensington Project to Sierra Madre. Should it turn out to be a wise decision on the part of the City, Josh will be lauded. If it's a boondoggle, well then not so much.

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    2. Looks like a colossal flip flop to me.

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    3. I think Moran is easily confused, and while he might be prepared and rehearsed to lead the council into one direction, the bright talk of the three newcomers baffles him and he finds himself unable to counter their very good reasoning.

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    4. Josh Moran's "accomplishments" are by default. Sitting in the seat in the middle when the date comes to pass for a project(s) that have been in the works for years. If he really wants to be known for "accomplishments" he better start one, see it through while he is on the council, and happily be off after 8 years (gag, I am implying he will be reelected) when another default successor sits in the middle seat. I know how this goes down, I have been watching for several years.

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  12. Did someone say last night that Fresh & Easy has withdrawn their application? Can we count that as another Tattler win? I like to think that John Crawford and all those out there in Tattlerland (great term, by the way) react so swiftly and decisively that to ignore them is peril.

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    1. I heard that too 8:47. For me it was good news - I hope for better things at that corner.
      I've been a Tattler supporter lo these many years, so don't get me wrong, but I think the lack of profit for Tesco on it's American venture might have more to do with it than the local, wildly successful, but local, blog.

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    2. The Tattler broke the story, and to date the other news sources (so-called) in this town have yet to report it. The British food giant Tesco has lost a fortune in the US with it's Fresh and Easy fiasco. They could be pulling out the US completely. This information was easily available on-line, but only this blog actually looked.

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  13. John Harabedian could go a long way in establishing credibility if he leads Sierra Madre out of the COG. The recent infomercials in the Los Angeles Times by Conway associate Steve Tobia is an indication that there is a dark force behind this organization.

    Imagine, an exective director under indictment, whose soley owned company still has it's hands in the COG illegally obtained grants? It is like a bank manager still having the keys to the vault after he was arrested for stealing.

    Then there is the curious statement by Messina saying the COG is needed to handle the mandates of I guess SCAG and the State...four or five employees of COG are needed to handle this? Bull, this is an organization simply providing buffets, stipends and paid assistantes to elected officials.

    We need to run and not walk away from the COG

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    1. I've thought for some time that the SGVCOG and Arroyo Associates is actually nothing more than a lobbying operation. Nick Conway operates like Abramoff bringing in money, siphoning off and distributing to cronies a significant amount, wheeling and dealing as if he were integral to the grant process when all he is is a petty criminal. We all know what happened to Abramoff. We can only hope something similar happens to the lobbyist Nick Conway.

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    2. Harabedian is being pressured by seated and former council members to lead the charge out of the COG because he is the current designated rep and he should. Don't assume that he would have done this on his own. He has no choice just like he had no choice but to agree with the true Measure V vote on the Kensington because he was called out on a pre-election comment he made to the Planning Commission. He is, in his own words, a process guy. If the Tattlers continue to praise Koerber and Capoccia, he will go along because he wants that praise too. Keep the pressure on.

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    3. Harabedian is not an idiot like Josh and Nancy and he will do the right things for Sierra Madre, at least during this economy.
      I believe he knows now what inept fools Josh and Nancy are, and surely doesn't want to be linked with them.
      Koerber and Capoccia, are very smart and successful men. John Harabedian will want to contribute to their think tank. What possible contribution could Nancy Walsh or Josh make to John Harabedian? None. A smart council majority like Harabedian, Koerber and Capoccia can be very effective at this time for Sierra Madre.
      When MaryAnn MacGillivray was elected to the city council in 2008, she quickly got in the Zimmerman and Watts camp of making good decisions for Sierra Madre. There was no way she could have sided with Buchanan and Mosca.....two very bad men, who lack integrity.
      I would really hope Mr. John Harabedian will do likewise and Sierra Madre will prosper.

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    4. San Dimas came extremely close to quitting the COG. The voted to withold their dues and will reconsider quitting at their next meeting. Dennis Bertone was in a PANIC as he is one of Nick Conway's biggest enablers. He would have lost two appointments, three checks and countless buffets if they bailed. Looks like they still may bail after a study session. COG is in disarray as multiple cities are considering bailing, El Monte, Claremont, to name a few.

      Emergency messages were sent to all cities saying hold the course, and bragging about all the COG buffet (battery recycling)accomplishments.

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  14. Well, I for one am pleased that Brandtley did not make it back onto the Planning Commission - a man of little integrity doing the dirty work for his master Bart Doyle who is in turn slavishly devoted to the development industry (remember all: Doyle was a BIA attorney for many years). Perhaps we got a couple of members who can see beyond and are not tied to development dollars and who will do what is best for the community at large, not what will fill a few peoples' wallets.

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    1. Brandley looked like the past. The bad old days. Thank God that door was slammed shut.

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    2. Yes, I agree 11:24.
      We do not need people like Brandley.
      He is a very rude man.

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  15. Who dresses Colin Brauderick? To show up at a council meeting to report on the library and all of its great programs for children etc. wearing a beer T-shirt is mind-boggeling. And then for him to suggest that next time at the Library Board meeting, instead of having 2 council members show up, wouldn't it be great if 3 showed up? Has he forgotten the Brown Act?
    Oh yes, and wasn't his council candidacy supported by Walsh, Moran, and Harabedian?

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    1. Maybe the shirt was a show of solidarity with Josh. They serve Pabst at the Buc, right?

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    2. Thankfully, this man was not elected! We don't need another Josh on the city council!

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    3. the guy is a classless idiot. How unprofessional of his attire..

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  16. Nothing like a cold Pabst beer, on a hot day.

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  17. Fond memories of Pabst Blue Ribbon in a brown long neck bottles. Sipping away on hot humid afternoons along Minnesota lakefronts. That was my grandpa's brand and his frig in the basement was stocked full. There was one of those old Pabst Blue Ribbon bottle openers on the wall of his porch. He'd sit there and suck em down one at a time. Still can feel the cold bottles in hand with the condensation running down my hands.

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  18. The sad fact and truth is that 80 percent of the volunteers that build our Sierra Madre Rose Float that we are all so proud of and take credit for, these volunteers come from outside of Sierra Madre. There are 3 main couples that orchestrate this project. One lives in Highland Park, another comes from as far away as Lakewood, several from Azusa. Pretty shameful of the entitled Sierra Madre residents. To lazy to support their own float. Then there are those residents that pay their dues to be members, go to the pizza parties, where the pin and claim they are apart of the float. The 4th of July committee screwed them out of $4k this year.

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    1. 12:11 re: 4th of July Committee -- there is always two sides to a story. Perhaps the 4th of July Committee had a good reason why the SMRFA did not cook hamburgers this year. And, take a look at the Friends of the Library. Just a handful of people work their fannies off for the Wine Tasting and the Art Fair while there is a long list of "members" who pay a few $$ each year for membership and don't lift a finger to help raise funds. It's the same for most organizations who rely on volunteers to do the work. BTW, do you work on the float?

      And while I'm at it, when was the last time you went to a Council Meeting and spoke up? There were only a few faithful last night and if the Council had not come up with the right ballot measure there were only 3 who were prepared to speak.

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    2. It was shameful for Colin to address the Council dressed like that representing the Library Trustees. It shows a lack of respect for both the Trustees and the City Council. Though, if I remember correctly, he did show up in a suit and tie at a General Plan Update Committee meeting when he was running for City Council. Now he doesn't even show up at all.

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    3. Ahh, don't be so hard on the guy. Sierra Madre isn't Country Club Estates.

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    4. He's just a wild child.

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    5. I am a Sierra Madre old timer, a volunteer, and I don't care about the float.
      If people want to do it, OK, but I won't give a thought to the 'sacrifice' a few couples are making to bring it off. Who asked them? Not me.

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  19. Well who gives about you old timer, volunteer. Your just another grumpy old guy who feels entitled to enjoy the fruits of the labor of others.

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    1. You miss the point. I don't eat those fruits. Not taking advantage - not interested.
      From that point of view, all the weeping and wailing about how hard people work on the float is self-inflicted martyrdom.

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  20. Funny how the threads go. I don't recall any of the Rose Float Volunteers weeping and wailing. In fact they really enjoy working on the float and are proud to be associated. I believe this thread started out as someone complaining about Sierra Madre taxes being spent on the float. (which they aren't)

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    1. The threads do take on a life of their own.

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    2. There is a whole lot of pain in this world.

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  21. Mod, excellent picture!

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    1. The ears flyin' makes it!

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  22. How much will taxpayers pay for the San Diego trip by the council members? Do they really need to go? What is accomplished? Why not turn down the thermostate in Sierra Madre City Hall? It seems to run twenty-four hours. That's where the city could save money and be green.

    Good for anonymous 12:11pm The Rose Float Parade is seen across this Nation; and the city of Sierra Madre is recognized as a volunteer self built float. Thank goodness no one outside of knowing this blog reads all the crap some people enjoy spewing.

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    1. "San Diego....Gaslight District....late night bars....nearby strip clubs....not on my dime....YAHOO...."

      josh moran
      mayor

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  23. Who is to say that the Howies site will not be developed; Howies only rents at that location. It is prime for condos or another assisted living facility; the ALF will only have approximatly 98 people living there for a possible two or three years, and we all know the city needs revenue. When the Kensington is voted on to be built on the blvd. the attorneys for future developers will turn to the next available large parcel in this town and ask for the same consideration as the Kensington; or face legal action by their law firm, if not granted the same consideration for development.

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    1. The "same consideration" would be putting the project up for a Measure V vote. Just like the Kensington. You've been out of town or something?

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    2. Buchanan tried to sneak past the public and was trying to donate the city parking lot to a developer who wanted to put 50 or so condos at Howies and a multi-story parking lot was Buchanan's brightly dim idea.

      Sooooooo glad he is gone but I suspect that Edison wants him out of the office and back politicing for them with development initiatives at our expense.

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    3. Yes. I remember the night well. Councilmember MaryAnn MacGillivray wrested victory from the majority when reminded the Mayor that it took 4 of 5 couincil votes to sell the City's assets, They only had 3 of 5. Such bitter disappointment on the faces of Gillison and Coluntano and the Mayor. Once again, and with much feeling, thank you, MaryAnn. We owe you a hugh debt.

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  24. What's the word from city council on the housing element in compliance with state law due by 2014? Did the state do away with this requirement? If not, the only logical location for a housing or mixed use project will be in the Central Core Area; or translated as the downtown area \ Sierra Madre Bl./ Monticito Ave. (the lot where Howies Market now sits comes to my mind).

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    1. Heh. On your planet who do you think would build this stuff? Jerry Brown? California is littered with just that kind of junk development. If that is what you want, move to rancho Cucamonga. They have plenty of places for you to look at.

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    2. Howies would be a nice location for a mixed use retail/senior housing. If the numbers pencil out to get enough units and parking. I think the might be to tight when you factor in parking, front setbacks not to mention the slope. The future developer may want to acquire the gas station property and do a lot consolidation. Maybe Taylor meats could take a space for his butcher shop. A 2 over 1 building would not be to intrusive. The existing building looks abandoned and dated. We need a change on that corner.

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  25. wouldn't be nice to have a meaningful 75 word limit on comments from the Council?

    Moran wouldn't have anything to say.
    Buchanan would have been shut up years ago - think of all the wasted air and also the wasted air between his ears
    It'd take Walsh 3 years to piece together 75 total words of substance and rational thought

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