Wednesday, August 15, 2012

Josh Gets Uncivil for the Green Committee

"We know we exist." - Mayor Pro Tem Nancy Walsh

You can always tell when there is something controversial happening that Josh Moran feels particularly strong about. He gets a little mean. And judging by his over the top performance last night, it is clearly evident that he cares quite a lot about the Green Committee. Or Green Commission should anyone so prefer. You certainly could see the signs. And you could hear them, too.

Josh's episode of decorum deficiency at this meeting became obvious to all when he bizarrely proclaimed that anyone opposed to prolonging the existence of the Green Committee must be doing so because they are rightwing ideologues addicted to global warming denial theories. He then compounded that attack by suggesting that those who don't agree with him were doing so because they listen to too much "rightwing radio."

This, of course, almost directly after telling his colleagues on the City Council "not to politicize this."

John Cappocia, who doesn't feel that much of anything the Green Committee has done merits their promotion to a full Commission, countered by saying that he doesn't listen to rightwing radio, rather he tunes in to NPR. And Chris Koerber, equally upset with Josh's low blow performance, repeated the pledge he made to the voters when he ran for City Council that he would always happily participate in honorable debate with anyone no matter what the topic, but would never stoop to personal attacks.

Both addressed their comments directly to the Mayor, who chose not to acknowledge anything they said with more than a grunt. No apologies were offered. And any hopes of constructive conversation on this topic were further smothered beneath Moran's need to rudely talk over whoever happened to be speaking at the time. It was as if he feels that leadership is filling the air with the sound of his voice, probably to make up for his lack of having anything constructive to say.

What could have been quite an interesting conversation last night was instead dragged down to the level of its lowest common denominator. That being the Mayor of Sierra Madre.

So why does Josh Moran feel so strongly about prolonging the Green Committee's existence by turning it into a Commission? Development, of course. As anyone who has read the Green Committee's Environmental Accords in their original form can tell you, it is a heavily pro-development document. One that advocates high density SB 375 stack and pack transit village-style development in our downtown. All prettied up with a thick layer of lavishly applied greenwash.

If you click here you will be taken to these Accords. And if you go to "Action Item 21" you will read the Green Committee's call for development most unbecoming to Sierra Madre. The first passage is its original form, the second is the revised version.

(Original) Adopt urban planning principles and practices that advance higher density, mixed use, walkable, bikeable, and disabled-accessible neighborhoods, which coordinate land-use and transportation with open space systems for recreation and restoration.

(Revised) Adopt urban planning principles and practices that promote appropriate density and land use for walkable, bikeable, and disabled accessible neighborhoods; and transportation is coordinated with land use to provide access to open space and recreation and ecological restoration by 2013.

(Followed by) Staff believes this to be a critical consideration in the General Plan Update. It is also subject to AB32 and SB375 considerations.

The "urban planning principles and practices" referred to here are the ones mandated in state law SB 375, a draconian legal event that calls for the dense transit village-style redevelopment advocated in the Green Committee's Environmental Accords. Which, should this ever actually be adhered to, would involve planning for the rebuilding of downtown Sierra Madre to accommodate mixed-use high density living units. The very thing that most living here do not want.

I don't see how a committee obviously dedicated to the advocacy of this kind of highly unpopular and unwanted development should be rewarded with a promotion. Beyond the financially interested parties that make up Josh Moran's political base (mostly Realtors), people here just don't care for it.

I am going to assume here that Nancy Walsh has not actually read the Green Committee's Environmental Accords, and she was speaking from notes somebody else had prepared for her when she claimed that there is nothing about high-density development to be found in this document. Obviously it is there.

One other thing before I wrap this up. Listening to Josh Moran boorishly lecture the people of Sierra Madre about the need to pay more for water was not a very pleasant experience. Rather than speaking his piece and allowing others to give their opinions, Josh instead repeated the same couple of points several times over. His berating of one resident who spoke from the podium was, in particular, especially uncalled for.

The message? If Josh Moran and Nancy Walsh have their way, this City is going to raise its water rates again.

This was not a very good City Council meeting. And a sign that this fall will be a very contentious time for our City. We can only hope that the political center holds and the kinds of behavioral extremism displayed by Mayor Moran last night does not prevail.

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70 comments:

  1. Instead of wasting time implementing AB375 foolishness, they should have been getting their City out of the SGVCOG buffet line.

    My five year old son knows gas makes the car go and money makes the monkey dance.

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  2. I admire Derrick Bushe who called the mayor and Mayor Pro-tem out for voting for the water rate as it was presented, when, a year ago? If the Council had even considered MacGillivray's proposal, they would be way ahead of the game. Instead, they chose to ignore her and go on with their plan. Several of us did come to the podium at the time and say that we were in favor of the water rate increase, but protested the process.

    For Moran to lash back at Bushe tonight (I guess it was last night as I write) was uncalled for, not appropriate for a council person, let alone the mayor, and not civil.

    It has taken me a couple of glasses of wine and this long to calm down at the process of the City Council tonight. The Council meeting was frustrating and it seemed as if they were going over the same argument that they had during the water rate debate, and the Green Committee. Moran saying it's only a few pennies to pay for water, tap dancing Nancy saying she really thought the original proposal was great. Moran is saying the Green Committee should be a Commission because it is politically correct. This has nothing to do with politics as Moran has said many, many times that it was. He is still having a hard- time knowing that MacGillivray was right. It has nothing to do with the insults that Moran gave the speakers and council members tonight. It has to do with an agenda that Moran and Walsh want to carry out.

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    1. Agreed late night poster. A good memory is a fine thing, so thanks to Mr. Bush, and Walsh and Moran have to face up to it, no matter how awkward.

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    2. Many of us are familiar with the city council meeting adrenaline overload blues.

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    3. Josh demonstrates extreme bratty behaviour - obviously he has never been inside of a real business board room.

      Too bad he can't be reprimanded except on blogs.

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    4. Don't be too sure of that 11:03. His "brain trust" has probably been on the phone to him already. That guy is rehearsed and rehearsed.

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  3. It is so difficult standing by watching a couple of idiots ruin the town. And, it's so difficult watching people buy into such lies. Home owners are to busy paying the bills and being with the family to see the truth to whats happening. God save the Queen.

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  4. I say it's three, not two, people who are taking us over the cliff. Harabedian is with them, too.

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    1. It was sad watching Harabedian last night. After several weeks of good solid performance he slipped back into his Mosca mode. His line about "everyone agreeing with each other on almost everything" line was pure Joe. This when the gap between the two sides of the issue couldn't be larger. The issues are real, John. Please don't patronize.

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    2. I agree that Harabedian made a bad showing last night. He was bouncing around on both sides of the issues, as though to say yes to everybody. It was disappointing.

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    3. I noticed that Harabedian has a habit of hearing a good idea (from Capoccia let's say, who seems to have an endless supply of good ideas) and then rephrasing it and presenting it as his own.
      A lawyerly sleight of tongue.

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    4. Harabedian struggles to stay in the center. Which means he follows whoever made the most recent best comments.

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    5. It's hard to believe, Harabedian would choose to be a "mosca wannabe"........
      Mosca was the second biggest disgrace to this town we know of, the first being his dear friend Bob Matheson (convicted child pornographer).

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  5. The maniacal development frenzy following WW2 is OVER!!!"It's the economy stupid !"

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  6. I think the tactic Josh used last night is called McCarthyism.

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  7. The surly and mean spirited Josh Moran returned last night. In other words, he was himself.

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  8. Last night Derek Bush berated Josh Moran and Nancy for their vote on the water rates and told them they should ask for their money back from the consultant. Poor ol' Josh just couldn't accept responsibility for his decision so he had to lash back at Mr. Bush by saying that "there was a lot of public pressure, we had to do it". As our "inspiring" Nancy Walsh put it at the opening of the meeting, is Josh "fearful" or "fearless"?

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    1. once again Josh reacts like a child and blames somebody else- the public

      Josh is really out of touch with any business reality and calling others "extreme" wow - that dude is so far out of reality it's laughable except he has a vote on council

      the public is sick of the "consultants" who basically regurgitate common knowledge or obvious solutions and charge outrageous sums just so Josh can claim denability for results.

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  9. Since water, or the lack of enough to go around, is the top problem, how can the idiot pro tem and idiot mayor not see adding to the population head count helps this issue?
    Water is getting to be a serious problem. We need to place a moratorium on any development that significantly increases demand.
    No more new water meter permits should be issued for developments of two or more units.

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    1. 7:50, the severity of the lack means we need to go further.
      No new water permits - only existing services should be allowed.
      And before every realtor in the city falls into a fit, they need to realize that they can still make money in their parasitic profession. Just get into the "re", redevelopment, reuse, refurbish.

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    2. I predict a Twilight Zone scenario, where everyone around us runs out of water, but because of mature leadership and a moratorium on water hook-ups, we do not. Kind of scary.

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    3. Wheres Earl Richey...

      There should be a "City Moratorium" placed on the issuance of all Water meter permits in the city of Sierra Madre!

      I believe Earl Richey made that specific comment, to the city council members on multiple occasions at our city council meetings.

      Water is a necessity, we the city residents must have water, there should be no more issuance of any city water meter permits until there has been a study, to determine that there is enough water to go around for everyone city Madre Resident!

      There should be a moratorium on the issuance of all Water meter permits until the supply of water has been determined by a 3rd party!

      That includes the proposed new construction of the 75 dwelling units across the street from the police department!

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  10. The so called "public pressure" must be coming from the mayor's mommy.

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    1. the mayors mommy has no backbone to face the community head on!

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  11. I for one would be interested to hear the Mayor explain how exactly the building of high density SB375 housing called for in the Green Accords is going to help Sierra Madre's environment.

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    1. How is higher density going to help Sierra Madre in any way?
      I just don't get it. The best quality about the town is it's smallness. That means smallness is what can be offered as a tantalizing bit of bait to live here, play here, eat here, as city hall so clumsily puts it.
      But the push to develop, develop, develop, would have just the opposite effect.
      There is a lot of money to be made in marketing what we actually are, and not what some land owners and their pals wish we were.

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    2. the only green accord josh is concerned with is dollar green - it's about real estate commissions - not the environment

      josh is uber transparent, his flippy mouth and pouty rants just highlight his weaknesses - like being prepared and having facts to support his opinions.

      will anybody except for his drinking buddies and real estate friends actually admit that they voted for him and are happy with his behavior?

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  12. During the discussion about how to replace City Council people who cut and run Josh seemed particularly chipper about former Mayors being called in to keep the seat warm until a new Councilman can be elected. The most recent Mayor being the first to be asked. Everyone realizes we're talking about john Buchanan, right?

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    1. of course that's his whole purpose on the Council - to do what is told and work for the efforts of his real estate network before anything else

      come on, Josh said after elected at a city function that he was going to use his Council position to appoint his friends and supporters to city commmitees - regardless if someone opposed to his agenda was more qualified

      we are done with John Buchanan, last guy we need - he was just on the Council to push development plans which benefitted his own employer

      and we know he wasn't talking about Mary Ann

      Josh has become a bumbling overbearing buffoon

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  13. I am appalled at the Mayor's behavior last night. His behavior was not appropriate. I thought bullying and name calling was left for the playground, not something done by adults in a city council meeting. He should be asked to resign.

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  14. Isn't Sierra Madre a bully-free zone?

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  15. does josh realize just how stupid and hypocritical he sounds and acts

    obviously he doesn't care

    first he advocates a boycott of Sierra Madre businesses "just because" they advertise in a paper that supported Measure V and he chides others for being fanatical and out of touch?

    dude is just plain ignorant or he doesn't care anything about this city


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  16. dude is a dork - a mama's boy dork who brats out when questioned or resorts to verbal bully tactics to insult others when he has nothing of substance to add to the Council



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  17. Rule of thumb - if Josh wants it then there must be something in it for realtors. A bunch of new condos on the market would be just the kind of thing he'd want.

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  18. Right Wing Radio HonkAugust 15, 2012 at 11:18 AM

    The Green Committee's first order of business should be to order the Bottle Shop to stop selling beer to Josh so that he will stop spewing excess methane and other green house gasses into the atmosphere. Seriously, do Chris and John need to be lectured by this under - strike that - non-achieving buffoon? To think that mommy spent all that money on Claremont College so that this beer addled clown could peddle reverse mortgages to grannies. Oy!

    As for the water rates, we need to be clear. The city can equip the entire town with smart meters, replace the rusty pipes, and repave the broken streets by making one change to the budget. That change would be to purchase police services from a third party vendor and to disband SMPD. That will save us a city staff certified $1 million a year. That is a lot of money against an annual budget of only $6.2 million a year.

    No water rate increase until the city attacks the fat in our budget. Period.

    Now, if you will excuse me, I must go back to listening to Rush's guest host.

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    1. Oh man, I was with you 100% til you got to the last line.
      I'll just put that aside tho, as I hope you will my antithetical radio habits, and we can agree on the savings from hiring the sheriff to go to our water.
      Great solution.

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  19. Alva, LA County bureaucrat that he is, has that whole shtick down cold. No wonder Buchanan got him for this. Does he even live in Sierra Madre? Does anybody know for sure?

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    1. I've long suspected that Paul Alva is an alien plant and last night only confirmed my worst fears. He is positively robotic. And I would add, does not seem to fathom his committee is only advisory to Council. Re-listen to his monotone delivery - it's almost hypnotic. Definitely a large grey.

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  20. I may be missing something here, but shouldn't urban planning principles be applied to, um, err -- what are they called? -- oh yeah, URBAN areas? Is Sierra Madre an urban area? If so, what isn't in SoCal?

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  21. key points was "staff believes" that we should adher to these goofy ideas

    same staff that lied to us about the UUT and purposely sent out misinformation, completely known false facts and openly violated the state constitution regarding public information

    and this same staff "believes" that a high concentration of condos in downtown is "green" and what we should do

    ahhhhh, no thanks

    once again "staff" is completely wrong, out of touch with Sierra Madre and just going out of their way to find busy work that looks important and accomplishing nothing except razing a city's character that most "staff" doesn't even live in

    resume padding at our expense - alot of wasted time and spinning just to look important and land the next gig at another city

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    1. Nicely stated...I would only add to this motley bunch,our Attorneys and the three Super Development fawning courtiers...

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  22. It was interesting hearing Josh tout solar energy last night. He claims it saves a lot of money and you can get some really great rebates if you put it in.
    Note - solar is so expensive to put in, hardly anyone will do it unless they receive a subsidy in the form of a rebate to do so.
    Also, those "rebates" mostly come from some government group which are funded by your tax dollars. So, we the tax payers are subsidizing other people's solar panels. Once again, Josh's lack of economic understanding rears its ugly head.

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    1. Going solar is great, for people with disposable income.

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    2. With the money it would take to buy solar panels for my house I would get a new car instead. Something fast. To heck with keeping up with the Jonses, I'd rather they eat my dust instead.

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    3. Don't be so quick to knock solar. If the feds would subsidize it as much as oil production is subsidized, the price per watt would drop drastically. And maybe one day -- sooner rather than the inevitable later -- we would get out of the Middle East, leaving the zealots there with their worthless oil.

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    4. I would love to go solar.
      Just can't afford it.

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    5. We may be able to afford solar. Definitely interested in it. Our neighbor has installed it and is happy with the results. What we won't be able to afford is the Kensington. The out of towners that will use it, will provide great rewards to the owners of the K. Some "green" ideas are worth exploring, solar being one our family will watch closely.

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    6. Oil isn't subsidized, the oil companies depreciate and take tax deductions like everyone else. The only people who believe that baloney are those who have never had a business (and a biz tax return) of their own.

      You do know, those "tax credits" for solar are paid with $$ taken by force from others, right? Jeez. If solar was so profitable it wouldn't need subsidies.

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  23. Geez - I guess I left council chambers too early last night. I must have just missed the rant, though Moran was speaking when I walked out. The Green Committee is pretty useless now; what would it be but a facade for the back alley negotiations and strategizing of Buchanan and his pro development cast of seamy characters if the committee were elevated to commission status? It's a waste of time and effort, unless you're trying to pad Bucky's big fat ego.

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  24. Does anyone recall the context for Walsh's rumination about the nature of reality and our place in it? "We know we exist" is just so very intriguing

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    1. Nancy is delusional, she isn't even aware of her own existence let alone anyone else. "We'll take you out"

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  25. I thought it was great when Capoccia said he had tried the Farmers' Market (read out of town vendors) but found much better produce at Taylors.
    That is how a council person supports local business.

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    1. Of course they're out of town vendors you twit! Do you see any farming activity in Sierra Madre? Even the one guy who has organic produce, who owns an organic farm in another county, doesn't truck his product to the Sierra Madre Farmer's Market. I don't know what you yokels think but the truth is Sierra Madre isn't the only town in the place. They don't even have a coffee roaster for gawd's sake.

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    2. Ah... So Capoccia is just like Moran, only Moran supports real estate rather than a meat market...

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    3. 9:09 - please explain why you think what you have said here makes sense.

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    4. But of course, 9:09 has a great insight.
      Everyone knows that tomatoes. grapes, peaches and fine cuts of meat want to take over downtown and remake it in their own images.

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    5. Brave little troll there at 9 after 9. Trying hard with so little to work with.

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    6. City subsidized competition to a legacy Sierra Madre business like Taylor's makes little sense.

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  26. Speaking of plants... why isn't Paul Alva a registered voter in Sierra Madre? Does he even live in town? Who the hell is this person? Is Paul Alva even his real name...

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    1. I went to The Google and put in 'Paul Alva + Sierra Madre.' No address anywhere.

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    2. I found a Sierra Madre address for Alva. Look at the white pages.com. So he may live here, but if he didn't know we were "Green" before he was on the committee, he hasn't noticed the town. At all.

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  27. Wheres Earl Richey...

    There should be a "City Moratorium" placed on the issuance of all Water meter permits in the city of Sierra Madre!

    I believe Earl Richey made that specific comment, to the city council members on multiple occasions at our city council meetings.

    Water is a necessity, we the city residents must have water, there should be no more issuance of any city water meter permits until there has been a study, to determine that there is enough water to go around for everyone city Madre Resident!

    There should be a moratorium on the issuance of all Water meter permits until the supply of water has been determined by a 3rd party!

    That includes the proposed new construction of the 75 dwelling units across the street from the police department!

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    1. That remark was deja vu all over again.

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    2. Must be an echo in here.

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  28. If you click on the picture of the mayor, it enlarges. Those are some spooky eyes.

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  29. If you followed the council report at all last night, you will see that even Koerber and Capoccia will eventually have to vote for a water rate raise. Let's just hope that the City doesn't lie to us this time about why, when, and how.

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    1. Absolutely 10:37 but the language...

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