Tuesday, September 18, 2012

Security at Sierra Madre Elementary School is Called Into Question

Two Sierra Madre Elementary School parents, readers of The Tattler who have been following some of the discussions here, sent me some documents that are both interesting and, in one instance, disturbing. Two of these documents are Public Records Act requests, the other a denial letter from the PUSD. These documents raise a lot of questions in my opinion. The parents have asked that I leave their names out of this article, a request that I am more than willing to honor.

The partial reason for the two Public Records Act (PRA) requests had to do with an incident at Sierra Madre Elementary School involving their son. One day their child had been removed from class without their knowledge or permission, and they wanted to piece together the reasons for why this might have occurred. They also wanted to know what adults might have been present throughout the incident. Here is how the relevant portion of the first PRA read:

June 16, 2011
Edwin Diaz
Pasadena Unified School District
351 S. Hudson Ave
Pasadena, CA 91109
RE: Public Records Act Request

Dear Superintendant Diaz,

Pursuant to my rights under the California Public Records Act (Government Code Section 6250 et seq.), I ask to obtain the following, which I understand to be held by your agency:

- Volunteer sign-in logs September through October 2010 ** Volunteer log 10/15/10 when our son was removed most of (the) day

This request, which is a portion of what was asked for (most of which we have redacted here for the purpose of brevity and relevance to where we are going with this), was never honored. The logs were never supplied to the justifiably upset parents, despite their concern over who might have been present on the campus at this time.

In between the time of the initial, and in this instance ignored PRA request, much happened. Including the arrest, trial, conviction and imprisonment of Robert Matheson in Nova Scotia, Canada. A resident of Sierra Madre during the time outlined in this request, he serves as an extreme example of the kinds of undesirable individuals who could have visited the SME campus during the period in question. Had this happened he could have signed the visitor logs that had been requested in the PRA. Or at least we could hope that, in the very least, that would be the case.

This was at a time when the Sierra Madre Police Department was doing an exhaustive investigation into the affairs of Robert Matheson, and they certainly would have wanted to check public school sign-in records. There must have been a procedure in place to investigate the possibility of predators on campus, and these records would have been among the first resources they would have wanted to check.

Because of the lack of response to the first PRA, plus their now additional concerns, the parents filled out and delivered a second, and more expansive, request. Again we have redacted those portions not relevant to the topic we are discussing. Here is how this one read:

March 27, 2012
Jon Gundry
Pasadena Unified School District
351 S. Hudson Ave.
Pasadena, CA 91109
RE: Public Records Act Request

Dear Superintendent Gundry,

Pursuant to our rights under the California Public Records Act (Government Code Section 6250 et seq.), as well as through FERPA and IDEA, we ask to obtain the following, which we understand to be held by your agency:

- Sierra Madre School sign in logs from September through October 2010 for visitors, as well as the sign in log for volunteers.

This time they did receive a reply to their request, but it was not the one they had hoped to see. Here is how the relevant portion of the PUSD's letter in reply read:

April 11, 2012
XXXXX XXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXX XXXX
Sierra Madre, CA, 91024
RE: District Response to Public Records Request dated 3/27/2012

Dear Mr. and Mrs. XXXXXXXXX

We are in receipt of your above referenced request for public records. Please be advised as follows:

We are unable to produce documents for the following request: Sierra Madre sign in logs from September through October 2010 for visitors, as well as the sign in log for volunteers.

- We will not be able to produce these documents because all sign-in logs are discarded at the end of the year.

Adam Wolfson
Director of Communications and Community Engagement
Cc: Superintendent Gundry

A couple of observations before I wrap this one up. Had the first Public Record Act request been honored, it would have fallen within the time period described by Mr. Wolfson. Which means that our concerned parents would have at least been supplied with some SME sign-in records.

But then there is also this. In a time when everything is computerized, and the storage of documents in no way compromises limited storage space or creates fire hazards, why were these records destroyed? While at one time the piling up of vast amount of paper records presented certain problems, that is not the case now. This is an antiquated answer to a problem that properly managed should no longer exist.

In times as litigious and threatening as these, wouldn't you want to keep all such records close at hand?

So why were these visitor sign-in records destroyed?

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150 comments:

  1. Well clearly the documents were destroyed to cover some butts.

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    1. Disagree 6:59. Schools are full of students first, papers and records second. The Tattler has a good point about why they are not all on a microchip somewhere, but destroying papers after a year is common practice, and in itself, doesn't mean anything. Some things are tossed on a daily or weekly basis.

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    2. 10:13- what the heck are you talking about? THose are records were part of a formal PRA request made directly to Diaz. Who decided to destroy the evidence? What was in those records that was destroyed?

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    3. The only things we know for sure are that Diaz did not respond to the request - by the time the second request was made, the time limit for the preservation of those records was up.

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  2. The records were destroyed- or stolen- to protect someone, but who? Why?

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  3. Do all schools destroy their sign-in logs after a 12 month period?

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    1. 7:05: Well, whether they do or not, this particular school destroyed a particular set of docs named in a formal records request. Now what would the school tell the SMPD if they had actually conducted an investigation to determine whether any local children were harmed?

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    2. Is it possible to do a PRA on the SMPD's investigation into the Matheson scandal? They always say they can't talk about ongoing investigations, but this one has been ongoing for a very long time. I think it is time they shared, even if they have to be forced to do so.

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    3. There are just so many secrets...

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    4. Well I have a big problem when the secrets are being supported by the local public school. How can they do such a thing? Who's protecting the children when they're at school?

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    5. Who is protecting the entire town of Sierra Madre?

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  4. It's Edwin Diaz who is responsible for failure to produce the records. Any consequences for Mr. Diaz?

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    1. He bailed out and moved to Northern California somewhere. As far from the PUSD disasters he helped create as possible.

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    2. Well he's the guy who should answer for this. If there was anything like an effort to keep things secret, or a school decision to hide information, it's Diaz who carried it out.

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    3. But Diaz is gone. Same with Bluemel. What is the accountability for PUSD staff who flagrantly disregard such requests?

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    4. As far as I can see, the staff is not the responsible party.
      It's the boss man.
      So if it was staff, Diaz needs to blow the whistle on 'em.
      Doesn't matter if Diaz has gone to the moon - it's still lands on his plate.

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  5. Remember how long it took our city to get documents online, and what a lousy site they got for $40,000?
    Computerized storage records would be great, but don't hold your breath.

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  6. I don't want to make anyone feel bad or worry unnecessarily, but if there are children someplace, there's a good chance that Robert Matheson will be somewhere around there, too. With a camera.

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    1. Quite a leap unless one knows the circumstances.

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    2. On the contrary, a logical conclusion given the facts of Matheson and the bad fate he and his kind share.

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  7. I just spoke to a neighbor who just read this article. She is shocked that our police dept. has not taken action on this matter.
    Why hasn't the district attorney been notified?
    Secrets is right...Good God, people, this is very upsetting to not only parents, but to all of us.

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  8. Iron Mountain does that, but it's expensive, like all of these services. Then you have to train all staff on backup protocols plus get a couple of information managers to handle the volume. Public schools just can't do it on a budget.

    http://www.ironmountain.com/

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    1. It is basic data entry. Who visited the school today. When did they arrive, when did they depart, who did they visit with and why.

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    2. Right you are 10:27, it'll come back down to money and 'overworked staff' just like it did in city hall.

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  9. That this school cannot identify who is in and out of that place on any given day is disturbing.

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    1. For ever and ever?

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    2. 2010. Pretty far back in time for you?

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  10. It gets better folks. According to Steve Miller, Director of PUSD Human Resources 1/7/11: "The District has no process to investigate the actions of members of the community..."

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    1. So does Mr. Miller mean that any community member can enter the campus, do what they want.......and as long as it's not immediately reported to the police, we can expect the school to destroy the evidence of who might have done something? Oh my god, and this goes for the entire PUSD? So Matheson potentially could have done just that, and PUSD has no investigative process, and now no records??

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    2. And since then, I personally have asked that PUSD Board policy be addressed to directly deal with this significant issue. No action so far. So parents and community members throughout PUSD have no fear that they will be investigated by PUSD if they misbehave. That worries me for ALL PUSD students, not just my own.

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    3. Maybe the school community should pull together and listen to the Brandenburgs, and work with them, rather than continuing to lambast them? They've shared some necessary information, like it or not.

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  11. Appears that PUSD has a de facto "open campus" policy. Have they forgotten that the first mission is to protect the children?

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  12. The availability of these documents or lack thereof is mostly irrelevant. The log in records would reveal who may or may not have been present on the day in question, but not whether or not they saw anything. Unfortunately, the family in question has long ago alienated virtually the entire teaching & parent community through their unreasonable requests, lack of ability to vision a world beyond their offspring, and failure to properly discipline their children. Furthermore, their indifference to every teacher, aide, or parent who has tried to help their children along the way has further complicated matters. The family in question has advanced agendas that are unreasonable and often outrageous, and they have shown themselves to be selfish and often just outright mean.

    The bottom-line is that the core group of people who were at one time attempting to work with this family for the betterment of their child and the school community has long since given up on them. It has long been clear that this family will not be happy with any reasonable solution, nor any solution in general as this would end all their dark enjoyment of their misdirected adventure. Clearly they enjoy the fight more than the possibility of a solution, and it is for this reason that any self respecting volunteer parent who may have been present would be highly unlikely to cooperate with their witch hunt. The parents who were willing to be helpful (and we were two of them) have long since given up on trying to work with this insincere and frankly scary couple of parents, and their unruly offspring.

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    1. So the law, in your opinion, only applies to people that you like?

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    2. 10:47, prepare yourself to be mightily jumped on for those remarks, but I want to say thanks. I have wanted to hear more than one side of the story. Unfortunately I've come to the conclusion that the only way I can understand what has happened is to have seen it myself. The opposing parties are so thoroughly polarized there is no hope of rationality.

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    3. 10:47: I, for one, appreciate this family asked the questions and exposed the lies. Who the hell cares whether you like them, their kids, whatever! Fancy that, they were brave enough to challenge the powers that be? I give them credit, and so should you-rather than continuing to rake them through the coals for daring to bring things to light. You seem to forget, the witch hunt you speak of was carried out by the other parents, and against a helpless child.

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    4. 10:47: Are you a damn fool or what? Are you so consumed by your hatred of this child and the family that you're completely overlooking what they're saying? Would it be better to allow Bluemel and her gang of cheaters to destroy possible evidence because you don't want this particular family to get any community support? How hateful are you people?

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    5. A public school answers to all. Including the least among us.

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    6. As an outsider to the whole thing, I can assure one and all that the cries of witch hunt are coming loud and strong from both sides, both sides feel they have the higher moral ground, both sides feel they have been victims, and both sides have devolved into powerful personal bitterness.

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    7. 11:09, there are people who cannot be served by the public school. In those cases, the public school is required to direct them to where they can be served.

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    8. 11:06, the victims in this, the child and the family have a legitimate gripe. How would you behave if your kid was thrown out by some misguided and hateful adults?

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    9. @10:47- There clearly was a reason the family didn't request their name be used with this article. They didn't want the bias and hatred of some folks to overshadow the message for the city of Sierra Madre. You, clearly were overtaken again by your bias against the family and missed the message.

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    10. 11:12, but how can it be a witch hunt from both sides? The child was clearly wronged by ADULTS, the parents stood up to this group of hateful parents. The Brandenburgs have not hidden behind anonymity, yet the others involved do. How can they be on a witch hunt when Honowitz continues to hide the names of those doing the hunting?

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    11. 11:15, you obviously missed the previous issues raised by the parents. They said their child's program was dictated by other parents, sanctioned by Honowitz, and everyone's wrongdoing covered up by PUSD. It's not as simple as the district directing the family where to stick their child, there are federal laws and protections created specifically to avoid what happened.

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    12. 10:47- I'll probably regret this, but what is so "scary" about parents advocating for their child?

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    13. 10:47: How were you working with the family when you held your clan meetings without them? Who are really the narrow minded ones in all of this really?

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  13. No, it only applies to people who are sincere about wanting a better community for all, who are working sincerely towards finding a solution, and not just some immediate gratification for themselves in the form of disruption, antagonism and a general lack of understanding that the school has concerns that go beyond their problem child.

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    1. Will you be handing out scarlet letters? We do need to know who the bad people are, you know.

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    2. That would be all people 11:08. Everybody dress in red tomorrow.

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    3. 11:00, 10:47- Using terms such as "problem child" , "unruly" and the parent's "failure to discipline" is offensive and completely ignorant! The child has autism and blaming the parents is unfair, and frankly, discriminatory. Do you read what you type before you hit "publish". Or is is nice and safe from your seat of anonymity?

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  14. A Public Records Act Request must be honored per state law. It looks like this request was ignored the first time, and when requested again the documents were destroyed. Not a good situation. The personal politics of Duckberg are one thing, but under the law they really have no consequence.

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    1. thank you 11:18. i think you have a clear understanding of the question we have tried to pose here.

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    2. Yes 11:18! Good point, and one which has flown over the hater's heads.

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  15. I am 10:47. I have no hatred towards either of these parents, just a complete lack of respect. As for their children I merely feel pity.

    Every parent at the Sierra Madre School wants the best possible learning experience for their child. Fortunately the majority also want the best learning environment for all the students attending. We also want be have a feeling of safety for our children when they are in the classroom. History has shown us that learning and safety are compromised when any one of the three offspring of these kooks is in attendance. The entire community (teachers, parents & students) should not have to lower the expectations of their values and safety to satisfy the unquenchable thirst for drama that this family thrives on.

    For sharing this opinion I am asked "are you a damn fool or what?"...I would go with "what?" – however, I will leave you all to be the judge of that.

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    1. This really is a small town story. The insiders who want their public school to be like the private schools all their friends' kids go to, and the outsiders (or "kooks" as you so tellingly put it) with their special needs children that make it impossible. Public schools have to take on everyone, 11:57. It never will be all about you.

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    2. 12:09 spot on! But public schools are available to all students. For some reason there are parents at Sierra Madre Elementary that presume it is a private school, and behave as such.

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    3. 10:47- I'm the "kook" you referenced as respectfully as I expected.
      You clearly have caught on to the mass hysteria that abounds amongst your peers. If you're going to throw your daggers, keep my children out of it, especially since the other two you referenced are long gone from Sierra Madre and are excelling at a more culturally diverse school.
      Not sure where the rumor mill dragged the other two in, since they have never been the targets of such hate that your ilk dispenses. See how things can reach mythical proportions so easily?

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    4. Funny thing here 12:09 is that it is the parents who have the special needs.

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    5. There is only one family that seems to believe that it is "all about them", and I think that "11:30" has already established who they are.

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    6. 12:09- yes, a small town story, with very small town minds. You got it right about some people forgetting that this community used to be more artitistic and culturally minded than how i'ts become. How sad. So let's run the "outsiders" out? Not on my watch.

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    7. Maybe if you and the Tone took a day or two off the blogs that you profess to find so hateful things would settle down a bit. If your feelings were hurt by the use of the term "kooks" - please know that I was trying to put it kindly.

      By the way, I'll make you a deal...I will stop talking about your child on public blogs when you do the same.

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    8. So 12:37 - how'd you get Honowitz to break the law for you?

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    9. Beneath all of the pretensions of Sierra Madre about being an artistic and open minded town that cares deeply for all who live here is a petty, mean-spirited narrow minded little place.

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    10. Hahaha 12:46, good one.

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    11. 12:37, what's with making deals? The family you addressed are well known to you, but they have no idea who you are, so how the heck are they talking about your children? Have they named any names? Maybe they should.

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    12. 10:47 IMHO, you are a fool.

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    13. 12:56 - Perhaps you should reread my message to understand that it clearly states that I will stop talking about "their" child on public blogs just as soon as "they" stop talking about their child on public blogs. Isn’t it just too funny that this blog topic is about our flawed education system?

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    14. It really wasn’t any great loss of privacy for the family in question to go public – they were well known by at least half of the community long before the blog lunacy.

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    15. 1:24 and 1:27- Did you notice that they kept their name out of this one, yet you still dragged them into it. You obviously have kids at the school still, aren't you worried in the least about what was brought to light?

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    16. 1:27, how was it they were known by half the community prior to the blogs?

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    17. 10:47 and 11:47

      I appreciate your honesty and point of view.

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    18. the biggest difference between you and i, 1047, is that i will say it to your face, and you will say it on a blog under the cover of anonymity. I mean something, and you stand for nothing. i don't have an opinion of you because you are not significant enough to warrant one. to quote coco chanel, I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU THINK OF ME. I DON'T THINK ABOUT YOU AT ALL. or to quote FEAR ...... look it up-

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  16. SME ----- Lexus dreams for those on a Ramen budget.

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  17. Just FYI. First- SME is an honor system campus in which you and everyone else are on your honor to check in through the front office and sign in. i have had a problem with this system since the day my daughter walked half way home (ill) and i intercepted her on her way. that means traffic goes in AND out on the honor system. You should care about this, regardless of what you think of me. Second- PUSD does not have a requirement for volunteers at the school. unlike teachers, who are fingerprinted, pretty much anyone is clear to volunteer at SME and every other PUSD school. You should care about this, regardless of what you think of me. the two kooks have spent eight years trying to change that. i apologize if we didn't say, "pretty please with a cherry on it" first.

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    1. Really? Honor system? For K-5 in a metropolitan area? Just how ignorant are these people we entrust with our youngest school children? An OUTRAGE! In addition to the possiility of pedophiles trolling the hallways, far more likely are the crazies with AK-47s intent on taking hostages, or folks distracting staff who should have made appointments. A school is about the business of education. Very few businesses that I've worked let unauthorized individual have full run of the place.

      SME needs to be investigated for it's mis-handling of the processes put in place to safeguard children. NOW!

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    2. Well they couldn't control roving gangs of hating parents. Those parents could walk on campus from numerous entrances, and even harm an Autistic child- and there's no documentation that they were on campus?

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    3. Thanks for clearing that up Tone.

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    4. Here is an interesting experiment. Everytime someone uses the word "autistic" in a derogatory manner, substitute in your mind the word "colored." Now imagine it is 1953 and you are in Alabama.

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    5. Here’s an interesting experiment – every time someone misuses the word “autistic”, or more clearly self diagnoses the malady against the opinion of medical professionals substitute the word “opportunistic” and try to remember this is Sierra Madre, California and the year is 2012.

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    6. 1:34- exactly our point in all of this. It is a civil rights issue that has been missed by some. It's obvious that when our son goes back to school, it will be in Ruby Bridges style- in 2012 and in Sierra Madre.

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    7. Here is is 2012 and the same core parents are rat packing the Brandenburgs.

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    8. 1:46, do you have some inside knowledge you'd care to share?

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    9. its 2012 and the parent vigilantes are still at it??? mary mac havent you and youre pta pals gotten over it???

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  18. Have you two ever thought of picking up a telephone and calling each other? – It makes it appear as though you have so much support for your opinions as you reply to each other’s comments (as well as replying to your own).

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    1. @1:37- Are you really that clueless? Don't you realize that beyond the confines of this city this bullying behavior is being witnessed by the world? Don't you get it? Do you really think we are completely alone in this? This is why we had to go public with this.

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    2. M. Jo - You’re probably right…when the nation wants the latest up to date news they turn to the Sierra Madre Tattler . Did I say nation? Heck…THE WORLD IS WATCHING!!!

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    4. @137 in the event that you are referring to me, this is my fourth comment today (703, 1241, 1259). i know that is hard to understand, but perhaps the back story (how we have been targeted by a handful of nasty people) is confusing the real issues here which are 1. lax campus security (and how it was abused by some pushy earth mamas and peacock papas) 2. the continued issue of campus security (still no specific guidelines for fingerprinting community members on campus)and 3. steps to remedy this. i know how hard this is for some of you to believe, but i care about your kids. it kills me to remember what some of you did to mine, and i will take whatever abuse i have to take in order to protect our kids- all of them- from a similar action- or worse- happening in the future. it's not your safety i am concerned about. we asked that our names be removed for that very reason. we wanted you to hear the message, not to kill the messengers (again)

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    5. MOD - I've always enjoyed your sense of humor

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    6. if only i had 5K to spend. (i'd put it on red, but i would think about you before i did)

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    7. Mod, I'll give you $4,999. Think about it,big guy.

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    8. That is the special price we offer to all first time advertising buyers. And at this point everyone is a first time buyer.

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  19. i will wrap this up for now with this: these things happened because of our consistent nagging 1) the SME Preschool is no longer housed under a cracking cement retaining wall holding back 8 tons of dirt. 2)children are no longer routinely placed into physical restraints at SME 3) when a behavioral emergency takes place, it is documented and the data is sent to the CDE as mandated by law 4) children are not forced to pick up garbage as a form of punishment 5) parent volunteers must take a basic course at the site before they volunteer on campus (gone are the days where a parent will grab YOUR child like they did to MINE and drag them around like a sack of potatoes) and 6) the new wing at SME is being framed (don't kid yourself, that goes back to 2009) ........ THUS when we are done being abused here in this mecca of the morons- you'll be able to add these fine new gems: 1) SME will be a fenced and secure campus 2)PUSD will keep a log of who enters their campuses and why they are there for longer than a school year (consider this- a "visitor" can enter a school on June 4 and the record of the visit is erased by June 7...... THINK ABOUT IT) 3) All volunteers will be fingerprinted prior to entering a PUSD campus 4) PUSD will hold volunteers liable for their actions and activities on and around campuses to insure the safety of ALL children and their families. 5) students that have learning challenges will stop being benched and punished for being unique learners.... are those SUCH BAD THINGS? whereas this began as an issue of parent bullying, we eventually learned what happened and it came into a cold, sharp focus. we have a REASON for feeling HURT and ANGER, but this is STILL ABOUT SAFETY FOR OUR CHILDREN, and EQUITY for UNIQUE LEARNERS....... we have, and will continue to hold people accountable for what happened to our son. If that makes me a kook, or vindictive, or spiteful, then i will wear those labels as badges of honor.

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    1. There are people in this town who would rather jump under a bus than in any way appear to challenge authority. No matter how incompetent or destructive that authority might be. Even if it is those greedy fools running the Board of Education.

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    2. Puleeze. There are plenty of people in this town who are not only ready and willing but have already challenged authority. Think back to the last couple of elections, the failed recall of Joe Mosca, Measure V, the challenge to the Water Rate Increase. They don't always win, but they are there nonetheless. Because they haven't all completely embraced the PUSD issue is not a reason to sling poo, 3:53 pm.

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    3. Sounds like this family has been been flying solo for awhile, and PUSD still hasn't managed to beat them down.

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    4. i agree 413. that was what brought us here. JC recognized the similarities, and thanks for that 421

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    5. 4:13 --- The PUSD stole our Board of Ed vote with Measure A, and flatout lied to us on Measure TT. What is it going to take to get you on board?

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    6. The funny thing is Joe Mosca ended up recalling himself. The only question remaining is why he did it.

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    7. A question we all would like answered, 4:53.
      Joe Mosca was a close friend of convicted pervert Robert Matheson.
      Joe Mosca and Matt Bosse named this principal of SME at the last minuet to be the Grand Marshall of the 4th of July parade in 2011.
      Passing over 90 year old hero, John Shear, a man who most everyone in the community wanted to be honored. Instead they put this Bluemel woman, after several other people had refused to accept, because of the John Shear issue....Matt and Joe were not going to give that honor to Shear.
      So, did they get their friend Gail Bluemel to accept? Did she do them any favors in the past? Such as hide evidence?
      We would really like to know.

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    8. Good questions 5:26. So the nominees who had some principles and turned down the honor were steamrolled by the unethical principal who jumped to be back in the limelight, undeserving and all.

      And there apparently is plenty of proof that Bluemel hid evidence in the school situation, who's to say she didn't hide other information in say.....the police "investigation"?

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  20. Look, the law is that if the PUSD/SME has the record they must produce it first redacting any information not part of the public record. If they don't have the record, for whatever reason, they don't have to. Simple. But they must respond. Yes, we have it and it will cost these many pennies to release it to you, or no, we don't have it, go away.

    Now, what I want to know is, is that Randy Newman in the Southern Comfort TV commercial? Walking along the beach in the red Euro trunks?

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    1. You've missed the point, though. PUSD did not respond to the first request, and that one fit well within their own rules. That is when they broke California state laws. Then on the second request they admitted that those records had been destroyed. if this goes to court some wee little heads will roll.

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  21. This is a work day for most teachers, even those who are dual credentialed. Mary B askes at 12:17 p.m today "...keep my children out of it...not sure wher the rumor mill dragged the other two in..." well it was her own husband, Tony B who posted "...one day my child (don't assume which one, there are three)..." posts on September 15, at 8:45 a.m. where he elaborates: "sitting at the mall in the food court...was screaming and screaming...it was hard enough to be there in the first place-the lights, the echo was confusing and I am sitting there with a toddler screaming..." who a few posts ago, at 3:36 pm plans to "wrap it up" with his fourth post of the day. I wish the family Brandenberg peace of mind and education success for this, their last child in the PUSD system. I just don't believe these two adults can possibly achieve this given their predilection for controversy and confrontation.

    Ahem...I will sit back and take the forthcoming blast being readied as the last sentence above is being read.

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    1. Steve @ 4:33 your point is........?

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    2. You make it sound like confrontation and controversy is a bad thing. The PUSD stole our Board of Education vote with Measure A, pushing us all the way back to 2015. They lied to us about how Measure TT money was going to spent. Told us one thing before the vote, and something not quite as good after they got our $300 million. You really think the PUSD Noard of Education deserves anything less than a steady diet of confrontation and controversy?

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    3. At first glance I'd assume this was cyberstalker #1 or #2, but now I"m thinking it's cyber stalker's LA city attorney hubby by your word choices, did I guess correctly? Have you seen Mrs. Honowitz lately?

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    4. Excellent. I've been waiting for the obligatory 'Steve' reference.

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    5. hah. well, that didn't quite happen did it, 433? what if you said something totally pointless, asking for friction and lament, and nobody gave a crap because what you said was totally stupid? oh wait, that happened. never mind.

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  22. september 15. oh. saturday? 3:36 wrap up meant i was finishing my 3:02 idea. it sat in the computer. i am on my way to fullerton. you wanna know why, 433?

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  23. btw, i wouldnt leave it at this. even though destruction of records might be a policy (and a bad one), i would not be surprised at all if they are still lying around somewhere 'waiting' to be destroyed.
    and btw, imho the district keeps virtually nothing meaningful on computer. that would require money.

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    1. @Navigio, to clarify, following the PRA, we both saw the logs in the school office- AFTER the supposed June destruction. We were given the run around on the PRA until 6 months later, when we were told we now had "everything", but still did not. We did another PRA 4 months later knowing the logs were still there, but also knowing staff could not freely release copies without a formal request......then the docs we had seen 9 months following the original request were now "destroyed" 9 months prior......

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    2. You know Navigio, there's been counsel for the district that have stated that PUSD does not maintain emails on district servers, but we managed to get those emails. I think more is maintained than is let on.....

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  24. Wonder how many of the trolls on this thread work for PUSD? Guesses, anyone?

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  25. Is it in the realm of possibility that someone could disagree with the Brandenburgs and not be a troll?

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    1. Of course. Though it is also possible that a lot of the posting here today killed productivity at PUSD's offices.

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    2. i'm not sure i understand your question, 738. exactly what did any of this have to do with the brandenburgs? what do you mean 'disagree with'? there is no disagreement here, we say these things happened, we offer to show anyone who asks the hundreds of pages of documents that support our statements. what exactly is there to disagree with? you sound like honowitz, who, when i read in 5 documents- then goes on the record to say that the documents mean nothing and that we are making it up. duh, either the documents SAY what we INDICATE, or PUSD fabricated ALL of them. choose your poison, i don't care either way. Either Honowitz did what the docs say he did, or the ENTIRE SME staff, PUSD distric office staff, special ed, and attorneys LIED and provided FALSE DOCS. (not likely) so........what is there to disagree with? please, tell me. i really want to know.

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    3. 753 that was pretty funny

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    4. Very funny 7:53, but you make a good point given some of the "slips" here.

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    5. Yes 7:38, but when it's the same people disagreeing and not bringing anything new to the conversation, it's generally a troll with an agenda.

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  26. This is embarrassing blabber in Sierra Madre. Do you all represent Sierra Madre school parents? something is really, really wrong in our little town.

    Grateful my children are not in this district.

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    1. What? Did you just wake up 7:49?

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    2. 7:49 - good to see your kids get schooled out of town. Does your husband let you visit them?

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    3. 3:57- good one.

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  27. No dog in this fight, but 2 questions: If the records were so important, why wait 8 months to make the June 2011 written public records request? Since there was no response to the June 2011 request, why wait another 9 months until March 2012 to make another written request?

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    1. that's funny, but i guess it's the best way to not end up the hydrant (i am truly sorry that i am defensive, wish i wasn't, and wish that people could ask and comment without my getting bent. i was a different person i this time three years ago) BUT we simply didn't know about the PRA, and we were asking for the stuff verbally. unfortunately, by the time we really knew what was going on- and what was being done, it was already done. we put most of what happened together from docs because, as people have stated, no one talks to us. we scare people because we ask questions and expect answers.

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    2. the long pause between was due to us doing this on our own..... most attorneys that deal with education laws only deal with placement. this part of it fell on us to figure out. we ask and expect people to answer, and when it didn't get to us, we ask again..... when we think about it. we aren't attorneys, and we try to not let this be our entire lives

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    3. 9:41, good questions- we also went to Board meetings and directly notified the Sup and Board of the PRA requests.
      I initially thought that by sending letters of formal request under IDEA that would get them moving- no luck.
      We'd ask during IEP meetings, along with official parent requests which would get conveniently left out of the final IEP doc.
      We'd also have Elizabeth BLanco playing "clueless", saying "Oh, don't you have all the records?".
      Through the complete run around we've dealt with I discovered Rene Amy and his PUSD PRA problems.
      We finally learned about the California Sunshine Laws and realize now that even with these laws, agencies can still hide, destroy and alter documents.

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  28. all of our children learn civics in real time, at board meetings, city council meetings, and subcommittee meetings. they see how people debate in person, and live democracy where it happens- not how to pay it lip service....... and what they learned from sierra madre school and its community? secrecy, gossip, false analogies, and how to cyberbully. to think, there are some that would criticize our parenting. yeah, we are doing a horrible job.

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  29. Children are parents' hostages.

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  30. No, 3:59 am- children are hostages at school. Parents are forced to comply, unless they buck they system and home school.

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    1. Do you think we would be better off without compulsory education?

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    2. When it's compulsory and inadequate, yes.

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    3. There is more to education than just attendance.

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    4. 8:47, sometimes collecting the ADA seems to be the only focus, which is too bad. But you're absolutely right in an ideal world.

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    5. fair enough. how would you measure adequacy?

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    6. Although I agree with what 8:47 said, it is worth noting that there is a very strong inverse correlation between truancy rates and API and proficiency rates. Obviously that can be a function of both in-school and out-of-school factors.

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  31. In the PUSD parents, children and teachers are all hostages. Those running the operation are far more interested in doing deal with contractors and developers with the $300 million in measure TT we gave them. The schools are just window dressing.

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  32. Out of everything written, rules, laws and civil rights being violated - some insist on keeping this at a grudge match level with one family. To those doing this, are you insane? Because you disagree with this family or simply don't like them, you find all this acceptable? That's this time, what about next time when it happens to you or someone you care about? Will you regret not stepping up now or will you simply feel it's different because you're different or better?

    btw Talk about hypocrisy at its best for someone to comment about being judged here yet every post they made smacks of judgment against others.

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    1. In Sierra Madre there is a select community of people who do not care about rights, or justice, or even what is proper. Most of them wouldn't even understand why these things are important. Rather they want whatever it is that makes them feel special and privileged. There is no reasoning with them. They only see themselves.

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    2. Just in Sierra Madre 12:34? You described the entire Romney campaign!

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  33. Dear Mr. Diaz: Whenever my child is removed from class by a teacher or school personnel, I have right to know the name of every adult on campus at the time so I can take retalitory measures.

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    1. mr diaz has left the building and the district with your money, chump

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  34. guess which parent didn't want to give a statement about the meeting? vermin hide when the lights come on, and scatter like the cockroaches that they are, don't they princess?

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  35. and learn to spell those big words like retaliatory. where in pusd did you go to school, einstein?

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    1. during that spelling lesson some kid was having a meltdown.

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    2. No, that meltdown was probably due to the vigilante torches. They're getting a little hot under the collar now that their nasty little secret is out.

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    3. Is that the best you can do? To pick on children?

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