Saturday, September 29, 2012

Tired of the Way California is Being Run? Then Why Not Just Secede?

We wrote about these guys a while back. And I hadn't heard too much about them since, even though I did check around from time to time. But a series of newspaper articles recently have shown that a loose alliance of elected officials out there in the Big Dusty are still quite serious about leaving the Sacramento occupied regions of California and creating a 51st state that they would call South California. The border of which would be found just on the east side of the Angeles National Forest. In case you're thinking of making a run for it.

And it even looks like they're throwing a party tonight. It is party night in America, you know. And if you and your date are looking to do something a bit beyond just another Saturday evening at the cinema, this could be a novel way to spend the evening.

Now I'm certain there are many who would find this idea to be hilarious. Governor Jerry Brown, upon being informed about this nascent rebellion against the rule of persons such as himself, famously quipped, "Secession? What is this, 1860?"

However, once you get yourself past that kind of thinking, what would the downside be? No SCAG, no COG, no SB 375, no AQMD, no League of California Cities, no more of that "49th in the country ranked public school system" rhythm, no crazy taxation, no tens of billions of dollars in debt, no insane Sacramento central planners and their bought-off legislative enablers telling us we need to build 300 stack and pack doghouses on Sierra Madre Boulevard because it will somehow save the world from climate devastation. None of that.

Think of the time and money our City Hall spends dealing with all of those kinds of half corrupt Sacramento mandated junk. Would you miss it if it was suddenly gone? Would anyone?

Of course, things this cool just don't happen in the real world. But since this is The Tattler, we are not afraid to dream. Or entertain notions that are not exactly in the wheelhouse of anyone's currently accepted versions of popular reality. You want stories about the best places to get boiled noodles, or where to get your poodle curried, go read Patch or something.

This from the clarion of the farthest ends of the valleys, The Press-Enterprise [click here]:

A movement to split California into two states continues more than a year after a Riverside County supervisor's anger with Sacramento led him to propose secession.

Since Supervisor Jeff Stone first brought up secession in July 2011, he's helped form a group to pursue the idea. That group, California Rebellion 2012, has a website [Mod: click here], is getting ready to accept donations and is planning a rally for sometime next spring.

California Rebellion 2012 accepts donations and is officially registered as a political committee with California's secretary of state. It formed about 15 months ago and has about 600 members ... By phone, e-mail or the group's Facebook page, about 14,000 people have expressed support for the group's efforts.

The group's website makes the case for South California. The front page includes the commentary "Is Secession the Only Solution?"

"The fact of the matter is that the State of California is too big to govern," the commentary read. "The political priorities of Southern California and Northern California are completely different ... The formation of a new state is necessary if drastic measures aren't implemented to curtail out-of-control spending, and the oppressive overburdening of California's citizens and businesses."

Meanwhile, over at the Southwest Riverside News Network.com [click ye here], they have this to add:

California Rebellion: Movement to break up Calif. into two states to hold Temecula rally - When Riverside County Supervisor Jeff Stone proposed breaking up California into two states, the reaction ranged from, "that's crazy" to "count me in," noted a key organizer of the break-up movement, officially called "California Rebellion."

Darrell Connerton of Temecula, a friend of Stone's who is a general contractor and a political consultant, says Stone's movement to split the state is far from over; in fact, it's moving ahead and gaining supporters.

Committees have been formed to do everything from seek financial donations to comb through California's Constitution with an eye on revisions to eliminate things that are "job killers" for the proposed new state, Connerton said.

On Sept. 29, supporters will discuss these and other issues when they gather at their first big kick-off rally at Vail Lake, east of Temecula. Stone and others are expected to address the crowd at the event that will feature live music, food and information booths ...

Unfortunately, should the new state of South California ever actually see the light of day (and I personally am not staking too much emotionally on this happening anytime soon), Sierra Madre would not be a part of it. The counties permitted join this new geographical entity are limited to Riverside, San Bernardino, Imperial, San Diego, Orange, Kings, Kern, Fresno, Tulare, Inyo, Madera, Mariposa and Mono. For some reason they aren't interested in Los Angeles County.

But who knows, since we would be on one of the western edges of South California, at least sort of, maybe we could ask for some kind of an exemption and get in that way. It would certainly make for an interesting Sierra Madre ballot question. My bet is Josh and Nancy would be against it.

Think about it. Since we'd then become a South California border town, maybe we could get assigned one of those plants and vegetables checking stations for down on Baldwin Avenue just before the Arcadia line. In addition to performing the important task of keeping those darned farmers market people out, it could also become the largest employer in town. Outside of City Hall, of course.

Think of the benefits it would bring to our downtown.

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68 comments:

  1. Hey, we could even get our own school district. Taxes would be high, but if we could get rid of SB375 and SCAG, it would be worth it.

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    1. what, and lose that swell honoputz as our school representative?

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  2. That bear is PO'd!

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  3. I moved from living in Sierra Madre for two decades to recently a small town called Redlands in the San Bernardino County. Although I miss SM very much and am there still a lot. Redlands has so much more to offer in many ways. The "bad elements from neighboring San Bernardino, Colton or Fontana have no influence on this town. They just dont come over this way. Creating a new state I would be in favor of because of the job creation that would occur.

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  4. "No SCAG, no COG, no SB 375, no AQMD, no League of California Cities, no more of that "49th in the country ranked public school system" rhythm, no crazy taxation, no tens of billions of dollars in debt, no insane Sacramento central planners and their bought-off legislative enablers telling us we need to build 300 stack and pack doghouses on Sierra Madre Boulevard because it will somehow save the world from climate devastation. None of that."

    Beautiful.

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  5. "Go East Young Man"California is tanking.Thanks to excesses in growth,development,taxation as well as quasi governmental agencies and social support benefits.Yes these issues are present throughout the nation but California takes the cake when it come to continuous expansionism.There are still areas within the nation which are doing well even within this economy. The California mindset is locked in glory days of 70 years ago.The crash is inevitable so young man or woman pack your suit cases and leave.

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    1. Very good advice.

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    2. that's it! dilemma solved! i am going to cleveland!

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  6. One problem that becomes obvious right away. Once South California gets up and running and the advantages become obvious, the rest of California would want to join.

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    1. Interesting. So after that whole process is worked through we'd end up with a new state capital that would be where? Needles?

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  7. This would be the answer to a prayer for Northern California.

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    1. Not exactly. They'd still have L.A.

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  8. A large chunk of South California would be made up of Tim Donnelly's new Assembly District. Maybe he could be the first governor?

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    1. Tim Donnelly, the Tea Party gun-toter??? Gag! Might make us wish for ol' Jerry back.

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    2. He is very popular out there. Maybe you should stay in North California.

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  9. Riverside would become the capitol of the new state I would assume. Lots of infrastructure and new government buildings going on

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  10. Looks like their website is overloaded. It won't download.

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  11. Draw the line beginning at Monterey across to Fresno.Everything south should be attached to Mexico.It's a perfect fit.The north has the water;the south has the desert.Why the north should waste water to fill the artificial wasteful sham "culture' of the south simply doesn't make sense.

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    1. Get off it. Outside of Apple the only thing Northern California has that makes money is pot cultivation.

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    2. Spoken like a true Northern Californian.
      That is quite how they see the southern part of the state - a water guzzling hog that should never have come to be.

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    3. 9:19, yes they have tech, and they have water.
      Weve got Hollywood and drought.

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    4. Potheads, welfare recipients, and more Socialists than you can find these days in Cuba.

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    5. What's wrong with Socialists?
      I'll bet you don't mind cashing that Social Security check......

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    6. Unlike you Steve, I work for a living.

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    7. 9:30/10:41: Are you willing to forego receiving those socialist social security checks when you become eligible? Maybe donate them to charity (without taking a tax deduction)? Or are forms of socialism that benefit you acceptable?

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    8. Steve - was there ever a time in your early childhood when the oxygen was cut off from your brain? People who work for a living all of their lives pay into their Social Security acct with every paycheck they receive. Then, when they retire, they start to draw down on their money. Is an iRA acct socialism? Is a 401K acct socialism? No, neither are. Please, grow up, will ya? Your parents pray for that every day. Trust me.

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  12. Northern Californians would fund the movement, just to keep the water.

    Remember, twelve and one half months to go.....

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    1. If you believe anything Inman and Moran have to say, then I have a Downtown Specific Plan to sell you.

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    2. And if you believe in limitless water, I have a lake to sell you.

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    3. How will you vote on the Kensington?

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    4. Don't know who your question is addressed to 5:43, but I'll jump.
      Voting NO.
      We don't have enough water.

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  13. Since the decidedly more conservative South California would take a dim view of welfare and other entitlements, there would be two kinds of migration here. The unproductive would head north, while the more entrepreneurial would be attracted by the low taxes of the south.

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    1. The subsidized couldn't afford Northern California - they'd have to keep on going to Oregon.

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  14. The Northerners think of anyone below San Luis Obispo as a troglodyte.

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    1. i get it. i feel that way about everyone who lives below highland avenue.

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    2. Yes. "The Flats."

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    3. North and South Sierra Madre?

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    4. I thought the real dividing line was at Grandview.

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    5. West Sierra Madre is currently working on getting the signatures needed to secede. Lima to Grandview to the Pasadena line. We're tired of carrying you people.

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  15. Nancy Walsh on why she is opposed to the ballot initiative to join South California: "I don't know anything about states, but nobody else here does, either. There are lots of experts in Sacramento, and I am going to do what they say."

    Later: "Is it time for the buffet yet?"

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  16. You know, Scotland is actually holding a referendum To become independent from the UK in 2014. They at least have oil and water. And whiskey.

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    1. Real independence for Scotland? A long time coming. Good for them.

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    2. Maybe Matheson will feel the need to return to his ancestral homeland.

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    3. Matheson is an outcast from the human race. He would not be welcome there anymore than he is here.

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    4. His return to Sierra Madre included dictating his own terms to the SMPD. Who then meekly bowed and let him go on his way.

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    1. OK. We'll send a wheelchair for you.

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  18. Reminds me of threats to secede made by Red states, such as Texas.

    If only those threats were fulfilled promises! Imagine staunching the flow of Blue state federal tax dollars to those self-proclaimed rugged individualist "we don't need no libral handouts, y'all" Red staters!

    I'm sure the residents of SD and Orange counties are thrilled with the prospect of supporting SB, Riverside, and Imperial without the help of LA, San Mateo, Santa Clara, SF, Contra Costa, Alameda, Ventura, Santa Barbara, etc.


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    1. Wouldn't SD and Orange County find the load a lot lighter with just those to support? After all, now they're practically supporting the entire state. Y'know?

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    2. Maybe tolls on the 15 to Vegas and (somewhat lower tolls) on the 40 to Laughlin will help.

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    3. Barstow could be turned into an "open city" along the lines of Amsterdam or Prague. A place where anything goes.

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    4. They could become some of the wealthiest counties in the country without any investment by taxing existing meth labs.

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    5. That could end up being the basis of a very profitable trade between North and South California. The marijuana/meth axis.

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    6. Roadside tasting rooms and factory outlets will abound.

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    7. I'm investing in a 30 minute soak 'n rehab facility in Zzyzx.

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    8. Marijuana-meth axis. Maybe it's time for the cataclysmic earthquake that washes California away to the bottom of the ocean.

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  19. So who says we have to cut California in half horizontally? why not just carve out Los Angeles and San Francisco and maybe parts of Santa Cruz and let them become their own state and the rest of the territory will be its own state. Sorta like removing warts.

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    1. Who's going to be on the committee to draw those boundary lines?

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    2. I think the idea is to use existing county lines, but who knows. Maybe it could be decided on the battlefield.

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    3. maybe the measure a committee can reconvene

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    4. The Measure A redistricting commission members would't be interested. There is nothing in it for them.

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    5. You sure?
      Maybe there will be an opportunity for a fiefdom or two.

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  20. Wonder what City Hall will do with this...

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/california-politics/2012/09/replacements-redevelopment-agencies-vetoed.html

    Always liked Jerry.....

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    1. Very good news.

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    2. The redevelopment weebles keep popping up, and Jerry keeps whacking 'em down.

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    3. Government needs to get out of the development business altogether.
      Let the developers have their own wars to see who gets to pillage a given target.

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  21. Another interesting news report:

    Camden, N.J., city leaders say laying off all police will increase safety
    http://www.mercurynews.com/top-stories/ci_21658453/camden-n-j-city-leaders-say-laying-off

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