Wednesday, November 28, 2012

Chicken Feathers & Hostage Taking

How ya like me now?
It was quite a revealing night at City Council. Nancy Walsh voted against Rosenburg's Rules of Order because they're "too concrete," Josh Moran was made to look like something of a fool over his revisionist chicken ordinance, and John Harabedian revealed his SMPD hostage strategy for saving the UUT from yet another beating at the polls in 2014. But let's not get ahead of ourselves too much. There was just so much going on, and we should really try and revel in each and every dismaying moment. If only to better appreciate the human condition. It's good for you, like liver. Or fish oil.

I have to admit John Capoccia impressed me. After years of hearing mostly dumbed down and feel good bromides presented as so-called moments of inspiration, John just stood up and led anyone who cared to join with him in a very precise and proper prayer. The contrast was impressive. I am not a particularly religious person, so it isn't like this was any kind of personal vindication for me. Though I will freely admit to finding the popularly accepted alternatives to God much less attractive now than they were when I was younger.

God then cleared out of the room, and in His place Paulie Goosebumps arose. Paulie is showing signs of becoming a regular feature during the public comment portion of our City Council meetings, and just like 2 weeks ago he came off as being agitated and random. Tonight's message had to do with good versus evil. In Paulie's mind people with money are evil, and those who have none are good. He also proclaimed that Jesus Christ was a socialist. Something I am skeptical about since I don't think that point of view existed back in Roman Empire times. Projecting modern political concepts and attitudes upon early historic times being a form of intellectual sophistry. Or at least that is what I was taught at college.

Our new Police Chief was anointed by a Judge named Geanette. And for the life of me I can't imagine where she came up with that oath the Chief was sworn on. I counted at least three times where he was asked to avow that he would not try to violently overthrow the government. I would never have taken Larry Giannone to be the anarchist type, but maybe the Judge knows something that we don't. The Chief showed particular courage in allowing Marilyn Diaz to pin some shiny new silver stars to his blue shirt. Marilyn had some difficulty getting the job done, but our new Chief bravely stuck it through. If I can use that term here.

During the Consent Calendar portion of the meeting, the matter of Rosenberg's Rules of Order came up for a final acceptance by the City Council. They were being adopted as a way of both speeding up the proceedings while also improving the quality of the work being done. And they do seem to be working for all involved. This meeting was done before 9PM, miraculously early when you consider how things were going just a short couple months back. Nancy Walsh, however, took pains to point out that she found Rosenberg's Rules to be too restrictive, and wanted to make certain that everyone is aware that she was voting NO on this matter.

The goals of Rosenberg's Rules of Order are actually quite logical and easy to understand. Rules should establish order, rules should be clear, they should be user friendly, and they should enforce the will of the majority while protecting the rights of the minority. These rules are the evolved result of centuries of trying to make meetings effective and productive. I don't know how Nancy Walsh could be against what was really quite a wise choice by the City Council. I can only conclude that she is not very sophisticated on these matters, and had little real understanding of what she was talking about.

The matter of the chicken ordinance came up. I have no idea what Josh Moran had in mind when he cooked this one up and, as things turned out, apparently neither did he. The smack down that Josh received for this foolish piece of poorly prepared business was so complete that even the usually loyal Nancy Walsh joined in on the fun. Moran had absolutely no support whatsoever for his chicken fiasco, and was clearly and publicly disrespected over this unfortunate piece of work by his fellow Councilmembers. In the end it didn't even merit a vote.

The big moment of the evening was obviously the so-called Public Safety Master Plan that John Harabedian so fervently proclaimed we just had to have. Ostensibly this would be an $80,000 consultant prepared stack of paper that would analyze every aspect of public safety in Sierra Madre. Public safety being a government euphemism for what the Police and Fire Departments do.

This was, of course, all just for show. An artful dodge as it were. Nobody ever believed for a minute that the City Council would approve the spending of $80,000 on a consultant. Something that would get us yet another useless binder full of bull, one having about as much value as the $30,000 Buxton market study boondoggle that was supposed to tell our downtown businesses how to they should run their affairs.

Councilmember Koerber asked John Harabedian what it is he is trying to accomplish. John's answer was not really an answer at all. Just more questions.

So shall we lay out what Mr. Harabedian was really up to here? The City is scared to death that the UUT extension will be shot down again in 2014. The defeat of Measure U last April was so overwhelming and devastating for them that there is now considerable fear downtown that the days of Sierra Madre having the highest UUT rate in California are coming to an end. And once that happens the way the City of Sierra Madre is governed will have to drastically change. And in ways that most of the risk averse people working there would not enjoy.

As the conversation went on the $80K master plan idea was jettisoned and in its place a survey began to be discussed. This survey would supposedly help gauge the public's true feelings for the Sierra Madre Police Department, the job it is doing, and what it is that the residents actually want from a police department.

Harabedian, backed up by the Mayor and Mayor Pro Tem, was adamant that this survey be conducted by an outside party. The idea being that a hired consultant would be impartial and fair to all possible political persuasions, and on any matter. A concept that becomes quite ridiculous when you consider who would actually be hiring the consultant. I find it hard to imagine that City Hall would choose one that would return a survey not closely aligned with what they want.

You may recall that when John Harabedian ran for office he proclaimed that among the first things he would do would be to establish a citizen public safety commission. Now he apparently does not trust the public to even do something as simple as conduct a survey, he wants to hire an expensive consultant to do it instead.

What it all boils down to is an act of political hostage taking. Harabedian is politically obliged to rescue the SMPD because of their support for his election, among other things. If the UUT loses again in two years, the SMPD could very well become too expensive to keep, and have to be replaced with something less costly. By doing surveys and other expensive consultant related shenanigans Councilmember Harabedian, along with City Hall, would be able to prepare a political case for keeping the our UUT rates the highest in California.

All of which means that when the public is asked to vote on the UUT for a second time (the results from the first vote apparently not being acceptable to City Hall), they will be presented with a rather stark choice. You either vote yes for a UUT extension, or we will no longer have a police department.

It is political hostage taking, plain and simple. The City wants what it always wants, more money. Pensions, benefits, job security, all the stuff that it's good to have if you can get it. But here we will be told that we will lose the SMPD of we don't vote ourselves a UUT increase in 2014. Our cops will have been taken hostage in order to leverage excessively high utility taxes, with the vote becoming a referendum on whether or not to keep them. It is one of the oldest cons in the book.

The public portion of the meeting ended with the City Council, along with the senior paid help, going back into closed session to discuss a possible lawsuit against the City. Though this is all supposed to be a secret, I can tell you that it involves the Hildreths, and they are suing Sierra Madre in excess of $1 million dollars. Plus legal expenses.

Making the Hildreth Affair potentially the most expensive code enforcement exercise in Sierra Madre history.

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112 comments:

  1. well apparently "Abbot & Costello's Rules of Disorder" were in place instead. they're not nearly as rigid, but sure are fun. i went to the meeting late, didn't take long to realize that i didn't need an agenda because the topics were a jumbled mess, and the council went into closed towards the end with "what do we do after closed, do we report out and end the meeting?" being the last thing i heard before i left. it was all so mind boggling that i got lost on my way cack to my 3mph vehicle.

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    1. that was back to my 3 mpg vehicle, but cack, clack, and cluck work too. so do other words but moderator won't let me say them without asterix. it helps keep me model to be modified in this way.

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  2. Interesting article LATimes 11/27 PHOENIX-AREA RESIDENTS SQUAWKING ABOUT BACKYARD CHICKEN COOPS.

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    1. http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-backyard-chicken-farmers-arizona-20121127,0,2480866.story

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    2. exactly what is the problem? it is government telling people how to live on their own living spaces. the constant metronomic cluck of chickens is nothing compared to the random screeching of tires at 3 AM.

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    3. You're right. I'm building a nuclear power plant in my front yard. And then a sewage treatment facility in the back.

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    4. chicken joe from the AZ article should move to pasadena. with his knowledge of whittling around the law, and running afowl of his neighbors, he could make a construction killing in the PUSD http://www.complaintslist.com/people/p/joe-papay/

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    5. whatever, it's your yard! nuclear power plants, pot plants, meth labs, and bomb making are still illegal tho, i think. best to use discretion. one of the mrs. kravitzes on your block will call the police on you, especially if you are one of those rabbit people.

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    6. at least we won't have to worry about the chief making bombs and trying to overthrow the government. it's nice to know that the anarchists only run the school board.

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    7. I think that was Judge Jeanie's way of telling us that Chief Giannone is into anarchy.

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    8. i'd answer that my neighbor's atomic rooster bit my head off

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    9. ooopsie. the chicken lady from AZ is also an herbalist. http://www.jailbase.com/en/arrested/az-mcso/2012-06-22/sheila-renee-papay-p879338

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  3. We dream of cordon bleu, we get nuggets.

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  4. Is it just me, or do chicken heads look like dinosaurs?

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    1. knowing that they are descendants, i gain great satisfaction eating feathered fattened and flattened T.Rex every few days. liver, heart, and gizzards, neck in the soup. the chimp with the opposing thumbs is the conquistadorable ape

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    2. I find it disturbing to think that back before man walked this earth it was the property of 12 foot high chickens with teeth.

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    3. Urban Dictionary: Contrary to popular belief, "rawr" does not mean I love you in dinosaur. It loosely translates to "I am going to bite your torso off and consume it for sustenance."

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    4. Then I think "cluck" must mean "I would bite your torso off if I was big like my ancestors, but I am not. Would you like a fresh egg?"

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    5. I've planted salmonella on the egg, click, so that o can pick over your carcass later, monkey, cluck.

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  5. Jesus certainly was no capitalist. And the beatitudes are more in alignment with socialists than any disciple of Ayn rand.

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    1. "Give all you have to the poor" was the Biblical quote Hovesepian cited. Though why he chose that one is not really clear. Certainly he has not given all he has to the poor or he wouldn't be here, and giving all you have is not a political doctrine - it's a doctrine of religious renunciation.

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    2. Paul should walk the walk, sell his house, and give all that money to the hungry.

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    3. Oy! Jesus was apolitical. He said "My kingdom is not of this world." He also said, in the beatitudes, "Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of God.". And the reason Jesus told the rich man to give up all his riches was because the rich man had made money his "god" and the only way he could follow Jesus would be to renounce his riches. We all have these same personal choices to make, they should not be dictated to us by the government or the likes of Paul H.

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    4. Can I have your chickens?

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    5. It was Paulie's Sermon on the Goosebump.

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    6. If a man does not work he shall not eat.

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    7. unless he is a chicken thief, or a politician.

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  6. SCARY..Pay out money,we probably don't have,to justify an increase in our UUT ,which is the highest in the State,in order to meet the demands by a bullying shady Union currently representing an incompetent slipshod Police service when there is a competent well trained Sheriff Department available.There is something very wrong with this picture...Who really benefits!Are you satisfied by our service!If not ,why even continue this nonsense!Ask the question!!!cue bono!

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  7. Frightening people into voting for the UUT could be effective, and that is worrisome. All the activists I know are tired - is someone fired up enough about this scam to organize information outreach, a kind of survey of exposing the duplicity of the "No UUT means no police"?

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    1. Those people from other cities who work in our City Hall are fighting for their survival. And that includes the SMPD. There is no demagoguery too low for them. We voted to sunset the UUT, and they are ignoring it. just like they did with the Prop 218 water rate protest. This is a tax issue, but it is also a matter of our rights as citizens as well.

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    2. Crawford is correct. No UUT increase equals no police is the same ploy used when they said we'd have to close the library. it's the same ploy schools use when they say that unless fees are increased, the football team will have to go away. it doesn't matter how tired you are, the tax us more crowd never quits, we must continue o fight. Koerber and Capoccia will need our help.

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  8. Finally the Hildreth case is really moving forward!
    They must have found a lawyer who could really help them.
    Long time coming.

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    1. The lawyer must be working for a percentage of the winnings. And don't be too happy - we will be paying the settlement, and the Hildreths are not going to care that it is our money that the city has to fork over.

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    2. The money paid in settlements to anyone suing the city is our money, so it is the HIldreth's money that they will be paying themselves, too. Don't be too sure this is a slam dunk for their winning. My guess is that the city does have a good case against them, no matter how nice they are.

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    3. Against our own financial interest we hope that the Hildreth's prevail in their law suit. Anyone who thinks the City of Sierra Madre has been reasonable, fair, and ethical, needs a lesson in recent local history. The Prop 218 sham is illustrative of the low-level criminality of the Mosca-Buchanan regime. And the people who voted for Harabedian after he posed with the cops are just what "enables" these miscreants to continue to lie and cheat in the name of their own petty greed.

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    4. The cost effective thing to do would have been for the city to settle this thing. They should have done that a long time ago. Instead they wanted to show everyone how tough they are. With us paying for the lawyers, of course. This is what bad government looks like, people.

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    5. 8:13, that's what I thought too, and I don't know them, so nice or not didn't occur to me. What did occur to me was that after a long time of very vocal complaints, there is real legal action now. The Hildreths have always claimed that they have the good on the city, but they couldn't afford a lawyer. Looks like that changed.

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    6. Are these the people that dug a bunker under their house without a permit? If so, I don't see anyone on their side of the case making money. Though the city will eat its own share of fees in oppositoin. Winner: Sandy Levin!

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  9. Other than generate a thousand jokes about chickens on the Tattler, some of which were echoed in the council chambers last night, accompanied with Elaine and Josh's chortling pleasure, this poultry ordinance stuff was a sound defeat for the Mayor. He obviously entertains his buds and bros with tales of how he can use his mighty office to improve their lives.
    What a waste.

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    1. Josh laid an egg last night.

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    2. Is it just me, or did Nancy seem a little scrambled last night?

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    3. If there is one thing that Josh and Nancy need to remember in difficult times, it is to keep your sunny side up.

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    4. These jokes are not original. I'd say most of them were poached.

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    5. And just one is un oeuf.

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  10. For those who say if we don't keep the UUT they sky will be falling, I say to you Phooie!

    There are rich targets of opportunity up and down the city's well-padded organization chart: The part-time City Council, the city attorney and the list goes on and on.

    A automatic UUT keeps the greased wheels of big government rolling along, it's your chance to make changes and force Sierra Madre to come clean as to where they have been wasting your tax dollars.

    Time to open up the books and clean house, remove dead wood and move forward, vote no on an extension to UUT.

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  11. Start now. Tell your neighbors that the increase in the UUT or the reversing of its sunset is not the end of the city having its own police force (that is another issue) and that the UUT needs to sunset to 6% and then get the budget in line with this new income level.

    Also, a citizen's panel on community safety is not a bad idea. That can go forward and not cost staffing a bundle. Years ago a group got together without benefit of any city staff, ad hoc to the max, and drafted a report that was so powerful it got rid of a coruupt city administrator. A canyon, all by itself bunch, surveyed parking issues that were later rolled into the study that resulted in the Canyon Zone (Thank you MaryAnn MacGrilivray for your campaign promise--Now councilman Harabedian, how about your campaign promise?).

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  12. Rialto, California city coucil meeting took place November 28, 2012 - a resolution to place before voters an "extension of the 8 percent utility-users tax failed" as it didn't gain the unanimous approval necessary under California state law.

    The Rialto city council voted 4-1 to have residents on March 5, 2013 to either extend the long-standing tax or reject it.

    It's time to take this UUT issue to the voters and not those greedy politicans who runs the city of Sierra Madre, honest residents or developers and their friends on the city council.

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    1. Just perhaps with the increased taxes,business and jobs leaving the State.People will finally wake up dump the excess cost and expensive schemes and baloney coming forth from our deranged daft City charlatans.

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    2. Let's remember that the council can vote at its next meeting to raise the UUT to 12%. But they know that is political suicide so they have to approach it from this round about way. They want to be able to say that the people have spoken- they want a policeman in every house and so we must raise the UUT taxes. It takes the blame off of them and shifts it to a populace that has been intimidated by the gang of three.

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    3. When City Hall starts taliking about surveys and wanting to know what the resdiets think, they're looking for money. Otherwise they couldn't care less what you think.

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    4. I just want to point out that the volunteers working with the GP committee designed, sent out, and tabulated a great survey. Why not call on their expertise? No one knows the needs of the community better than those who live here, right?

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  13. Rule #1 still holds. It is always about money. Especially when they say it is about something else.

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    1. This is so true! 8:37. It's always all about money!

      I don't want Sierra Madre to be over devloped, the ambiance of the town destroyed, main reason.....MY property value will go down. Of course I want to keep the town nice for all residents who moved here because it was a small town. I care about their safety and their property values, but it's really all about the money.....whatever any of us say.

      Please post often on this board 8:37. I like the way you think!

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  14. John, I confess. I'm responsible for about a half dozen page views today. I love the chicken graphic! It makes me smile. There's not enough humor in the world this morning and this chicken is just fantastic.

    Thanks.

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    1. He looks like a badass.

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  15. So question for those that saw the meeting. Was Josh trying to make it easier or harder to keep chickens in Sierra Madre? I have not been able to tell from the posts. Then again, maybe he didn't even know.

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    1. Putting the chicken ordinance on the agenda seemed like a good idea at the time.

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    2. I think Josh realized that this had become a town joke and he didn't want to invest too much of himself on it last night. He looked embarrassed.

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    3. At one point the Mayor actually said, "Yes there are more important things. But there will always be more important things, and the little things never get taken care of." That's pretty close to what he exactly said anyway. True. You can hear it on the playback.

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    4. His chicken ordinance got Tattled.

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    5. What would have happened if he'd called it the rabbit ordinance?

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    6. Some people would have hopped to their feet.

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  16. I don't get it.

    Choice One: Hire the Sheriff, keep the existing UUT, save $1.5 million every year. Hooray!

    Choice Two: Raise the UUT, give all the money to the police department, and not save $1.5 million. Ugh.

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    1. What will the Sheriffs cost us? I'm guessing the cost of our PD is 1.5M a year, that is the number referenced above, and lets say the Sheriffs will run us 700K a yr, so the savings is 800K a yr, still a significant savings. Making statements that it will save us X amount of dollars is a little premature, what are the real numbers?

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    2. La Canada provides some hard numbers that are useful. I don't have them, but other posters have had in the past. La Canada pays less than we do and has more people and territory.

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  17. Guess chicken manure is Josh's legacy and the failed Farmers' Market is Nancy's.

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    1. GOOFY PEOPLE,GOOFY AGENDAS !!!!

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  18. Nancy was against Rosenberg's Rules because she will be the next mayor. She wants to run the meetings like she did when she was chair of the Senior Commission. She was rude to everyone.

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    1. Rosenberg's Rules are democratic and help maintain equality on a City Council. Nancy wants to be queen. Rosenberg's Rules are hell on royalty.

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    2. Maybe she'll take them out.

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    3. Off with their heads! shouts the Red Queen. (oh, maybe that's a chickenjoke)

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    4. I think Walsh is just uneasy about the burden of learning the rules.....maybe she also knows that her train seems to run right off the tracks sometimes. Like last night, in the $80,000 Boondoggle discussion, for a while she was talking about experience with grants for AIDS research. Wildly irrelevant. Then she kind of shrugs and says affably, Well I don't know. Off the tracks.

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    5. Poor Dear,maybe she should rest more!She could ,of course,Resign and do everybody a favor!

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    6. Say 2:35 not only is dimwitted n.w. dim witted, but think about it. If she could get rid of the rosenberg rules, then she could continue unobstructed to run wildly off the tracks ad nauseum. Although, she has proven to be quite obtuse as well as vicious. she's the smoking gun of sierra madre 'cause she announce "we can take you out!!!!!"

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    7. She was counting on uttering those most famous of words, "off with their heads" when the speakers at the podium displeased her. If ever there was a personification of the Red Queen, it's the twit Nancy Walsh.

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  19. After reading this blog and 64 comments, I did not see anyone welcoming or congratulating Captain Larry Giannone on his well deserved promotion to Police Chief. The moderator expended effort to deride a judge and the previous chief but couldn't voice a passing salutation for Chief Gianonne. Chief Giannone is a person of considerable experience, acheivement, and integrity. Sierra Madre is fortunate to have him has their chief of police. Good luck Chief and Godspeed.

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    1. Giannone's inability to in any way deliver on the Matheson case has made his slection as Chief controversial with quite a few people. As anyone who followed this story on The Tattler will tell you, the SMPD under Giannone's watch completely dropped the ball on this matter. Sorry, not everyone is excited about this hire as you appear to be.

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    2. The Chief may indeed be an accomplished fellow, and good for him, but the poster at 1:33 is right, and the children of Sierra Madre are not as safe as they should be. There is a child pornography devote living in our midst, and he has experience as a cameraman. Maybe you don't have any young ones around, 1:23, but plenty of other people do. I am outraged that Robert W. Matheson can roam around town at will. With his camera/s.

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    3. What bothers me about the Chief is nothing personal. He's heading up a department that we can no longer afford. We can't afford him. And his old one-two with Harabedian on the Public Safety Master Plan? No thanks.

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    4. I kept waiting for someone to reach over and help that young man wipe his nose with that spiffy green tie. There's just not enough love anymore.

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    5. Quoting the God Father.It isn't personal it's just business!

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    6. The Police Chief was following the law when it came to Matheson.

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    7. Bob Matheson is the worst form of evil. For one thing, he doesn't even get that he's a monster. We should all get bullhorns & follow him around town endlessly, quoting the bible & taking pictures of him. He should do everyone a favor & get alzheimer's. Please, God!! Does he still have a youth camp???? God help the children. The Ruinator runs wild & free while he takes "pictures."

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    8. Sierra Madre residents seem to feel (and have for years) that what they went should replace state law. While the residents feel that way, the law still is the law. The Police Chief has to follow and enforce the laws as written. Think what the city would be like if each resident got the rules enforced as they wish, which a lot would like. Sierra Madre is a eunique city but must still live with existing laws or get them changed. The Police Chief and his department line by those laws, much to the dislike of many residents.

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    9. From the Department of Justice: The National Guidelines For Sex Offender Registration And Notification.

      Pay particular attention to "Foreign Convictions."

      7:52 - Click on my name. This is federal law. It trumps state law.

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    10. Yeah, but the part that confounds me is that the criminal transported child pornography FROM the United States INTO Canada, which is a crime here, right?

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    11. that's because alot of us are sort of tired of this police department and it's roughshod tactics and bully mentality - they are overpaid and underqualified for real police work - we farm out any real crime to other agencies and our PD is basically one step above Post Alarm (no offense to Post Alarm)

      no need to congratulate the PD Captain until he effects some real change but it sounds like the same old broken record

      HALT SIERRA MADRE...OR WE'LL SUE YOU - signed smpd

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  20. 1:23, you'll find what you want in 3 places: Susan the Henderson's Looney Views News, Bill Coburn's Sierra Madre News Net catching fish, and on AOL's Patch.

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    1. People come here for real news. Which is why the Tattler has a bigger reading audience than those other 3 combined.

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    2. Ya can't even wipe your cyber butt with the patch anymore

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    3. The funniest comment last night was when Elaine said they had one complaint about the person's next door neighbor chickens because she had a bird phobia and couldn't come out of her house. Since chickens are usually caged and dove, sparrows, finches and other assorted birds that reside in Sierra Madre are not, should we have an ordinance to discourage all bird feeders, etc. so we don't get the wild birds?

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    4. Everybody seems to be clucking about the chickens. Good grief! Next thing ya' know...we'll be caging children because they laugh & play. Listen here, Santa Claus is com in' to town if you haven't heard about it and he's going to leave you a lump of coal in your stocking. Knees shaken' yet, chicken meanies???

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    5. When you talk, do you hear an echo inside?

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    6. Oh, 4:19 pm, it's much more broad than discouraging bird feeders. We'll have to have a season for hunters to take parrots and crows, night vision gear for hunting down the owls and hawks, nets for bagging humming birds. I'd say it makes more sense to pass an ordinance that people with bird phobias must stay indoors. Easier (and cheaper) in the long run.

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    7. 4:19. the person you could hear laughing, that would be me

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    8. Poultry Alien: in Sierra Madre, No one can hear a chicken screen

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    9. I have a tax phobia, can you make sure they stay away from me?

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    10. I have a vegetable phobia, please remove the farmer's market. I sould be able to go through town without having to fear the asparagas and broccolli. Thank you.

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    11. Don't worry there are hardly any vegetable vendors at the farmers market.

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  21. Walsh and Moran are collossal wastes of time with inept and moronic ideas and are both petty vindictive opportunists. Walsh insults volunteers, bickers over logic and has done absolutely nothing since joining the Council. Moran is blatant with his disregard for common sense and using his position to grant favors for friends and is openly hostile to citizens and fellow Councilmembers...unless they pander to his childish ego.

    Harabedian is a wild card. We all knew that he lied to us with his campaign photos and conveniently violated the public trust by photoshopping his campaign photos and is completely serving the needs of the Police Association over what is best for the city.

    He's just a hack and hopefully a one term lawyer hack.

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    1. Accurate observations, 6:36.

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  22. Harabedian is a shady dude and comes across as sort of predictable. He follows the same lame brain train that preceeded him. Hire a consultant to justify what I want (ala Mosca and Buchanan) and then blur the facts and use false emegenices with scare tactics which are pretty juvenile because we all know he's bending the truth and just being deceitful.

    No wonder he was endorsed by Buchanan.

    Same old same old.

    It's simple what I want from our PD.

    Disband and hire the Sheriffs - save a million bucks and the lawsuits from our inept PD. We have subpar officers with guns and that's scary.

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  23. Josh has turned into the clown that we all thought he would become. He gets obviously tipsy as a Councilman at a the 4th of July beer garden. He bickers and bristles and huffs and puffs and blows a steady stream of methane out of his potty mouth.

    Same party dude that as Realtor for Webb Martin he brilliantly advocated a boycott of Sierra Madre businesses because he disagreed with the 1st Amendment and a local paper daring to support Measure V - he argued that if advertisers continued advertising in the paper that the realtors ought to storm those stores and bully our shop owners into complaince.

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  24. GO Hildreth's....

    Lets sue those city employees & city council members directly...

    They are the ones who lead you down the beaten path!!!!!

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    1. That would be good 6:56, but it doesn't work that way. If you live in Sierra Madre, it will be you who pays, like me.
      City staff & council members are protected. We are not.

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  25. doesn't the word josh mean to joke?

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  26. Having Nancy as mayor will be more of an embarrassment than anything Sierra Madre has ever, ever gone through, and Josh is already embarrassing enough. Both are inept, impolite, inaccurate and unqualified. My children are in Honors and they are more intelligent, sophisticated, well-spoken and can read and understand both Robert's Rules and Resenberg's Rules of Order.

    Another foolish woman who believes she is important.

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    1. The Mayor Josh and Nancy years will be fresh in the minds of the voters in 2014. They'll be lucky to get 600 votes each.

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    2. I disagree that Walsh is the most embarrassing mayor ever. I nominate instead Joe Mosca, the most vacuous politician ever to sit on the dais, and second, Bart Doyle, for his long ranging destructive policies, most notably, kicking off the crippling debt with the water bonds.

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    3. Anon said about Walsh and Moran. "Both are inept, impolite, inaccurate and unqualified."

      That is why they were set up as candidates by the Buchanan and Doyle and the rest of the real estate crowd. None of that matters because it is still about SCAG and development projects for the city - condos and circumenting Measure V which Moran said he was going to do regardless of what the people voted on.

      They are told what to do and say because look what happens when they go off on their own without guidance or control by Buchanan with them when they were on the Council.

      Moran brings up "chickens" and Walsh just blatters a completely opposite topic into a Council discussion and then both slink back into their seats.

      Harabedian is a Buchanan clone and that's terrible for the city. Our PD dept could triple in budget and sue us into oblivion but he'd still say that contracting out with the Sheriff's Dept and saving millions of dollars is bad for the city.

      I haven't heard yet exactly what good the PD does for the city and not once are we ever told about the qualifications of our officers.

      Except we know a former dispatcher gets a gun and we have another officer panic and shoot an unarmed man in the back and later was reinstated.

      We need 300 new condos downtown to solve our problems.





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  27. you'd think Walsh would like concrete with her "we'll take you out" mentality and given that concrete is dense like her mindset as a Councilmember

    granted, I can understand it if she is opposed to the idea of "concrete" as being clear, concise, orderly and fundamentally sound

    She just sits there and chirps out what's ever on her mind regardless of topic and just looks angry and disgruntled. Still can't figure out why she ran because she doesn't contribute one iota of direction and shows any respect for the position.

    She appears to have a huge and "false" sense of entitlement and her batty rants are out there in the nanosphere as being legendary and looney.

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