Tuesday, November 6, 2012

The ALF, Plus An Election Is Happening Today

The modestly sized ALF
I am actually butting heads with someone I personally like and respect, so this isn't a whole lot of fun for me. Of course, I have seen people I like and respect taken in by the dark side before, and each and every one of them really should have known better. So what do we do? The ALF is going to pass anyway, it is probably already there on absentee votes alone. So then what is the answer? Just lay it all out and let the readers do as they like. Or don't like. The day you start coming up with justifications for holding back on reporting important parts of a story is the day you take a double banana step towards becoming the next Mountain Views News.

The more than a little large ALF
If you look at the picture on the upper left side of this page you can see a representation of the ALF you are likely familiar with. It is pretty much what we have been told it would look like for the last year. On the right hand side of this page you can see the version that has suddenly appeared over the last few days. And rather then the quaint series of happily jumbled Craftsman style buildings we're grown used to seeing, this one kind of looks like an auto showroom. It is a far larger looking building than you might have previously thought.

The story that is being quickly parceled out is that the pictures we have been seeing over the last year or so are earlier designs. And apparently they are still making the rounds. There is one older depiction of the ALF up on the Sierra Madre Patch right now that has caused a bit of stir in their comments section. It certainly looks nothing like what people had seen last week on that "Vote YES on Measure ALF" postcard.

The building pictured above on the right has only been seen in two places up until now. One being the current issue of the Mountain Views News, and the other that post card which, for some reason, didn't arrive at my house. This is supposed to be the design that incorporates all of the demands from the Planning Commission, the City Council, and whoever else was permitted more than a three minute window into the action.

Which I suppose is fine, except for one thing. Why are we only seeing this version now, at the very last possible minute? If the residents of Sierra Madre, who theoretically care deeply about what their town looks like, are supposed to vote on whether they want this thing or not, shouldn't they have been given a glimpse at what is about to happen a month ago? After all, this cleared muster with the City Council a lot earlier than that.

And one other thing. What about all of the people who cast absentee ballots in the weeks before that picture of the latest ALF was released? Did they cast an informed vote?

Can anyone find the new version on the City of Sierra Madre website? As of midnight last night I could not.

If the ALF is approved today, and I am about 98% sure that will happen, will the voters recall having given their approval to this thing once it is built? I suspect that many of them will not remember having voted for something quite so large.

How can you tell who is winning the presidential election today? 

For those of the political junkie persuasion, today is one of the longest days of their lives. Having to wait until the entire country votes, and then wait a little more while California finishes casting its ballots, can seem like an eternity. Or two.

So what can you do about it? Thanks to an excellent Daniel Tedford article up on the Pasadena Star News site, you can pretty much call the winner right now and go off and do something useful instead. Titled "8 non-scientific ways (except astrology, sort of) to predict the presidential election," it will help you keep hope alive.

Did you know that ever since the Washington Redskins moved to Washington DC, the outcome of their last home game played just before a presidential election has foretold the result of the vote 17 out of 18 times? If the Redskins won, then the incumbent party won. The score of Sunday's Redskins vs. Carolina Panthers tilt? Carolina 21, Redskins 13.

It is also a proven fact that Republicans have won every presidential election held on the date November 6 since the Grand Old Party came into existence.

However, there are other indicators here as well. In years where the National League team won the World Series, the Democrats have won. As hard as it is for Los Angeles Dodgers fans to admit it, the San Francisco Giants swept the Detroit Tigers in 4 games.

And who won the all important 7-11 drinking cup competition?

President Obama. By quite a bit.

You can read the rest of these proven election predictors by clicking here. And until late tonight, that is really about the best you are going to be able to do.

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70 comments:

  1. Farm Workers Left Out of Prop.37 Discussion, But Have a Stake

    Jesús E. Valenzuela Félix, News Analysis: “Prop 37 benefits farm workers as people who come in direct contact with crops and who live next to the GMO fields,” said Pearls. “It is better for a farm worker to not work in a field of GMO crops if they have the choice. Those fields will use far more pesticides, herbicides, and fertilizer than non-GMO crops. Less exposure to toxics is healthier…people in agricultural communities are already subjected to contaminants in the air and drinking water, and are not told what chemicals they are being impacted by.”

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    1. i think we found the write-in candidate

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  2. when it goes up, and it will, we can all look back on today as the day sierra madre longed to be duarte, and then did it.

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    1. walk the peripheral, i say. anyone know that building on rosemead where sunset curves- you know, the one right on the sidewalk- not set back at all? i always wonder how many cars have hit it. there ya go.

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    2. Six Second Summary: We got Measure V, but because we worried about Measure V more than the building itself, we're getting the kind of building Measure V was supposed to keep out.

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    3. Some people have been worried about the building massing, parking, and water, from the beginning.

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    4. 6:36....it's on Michillinda and Sunset and why don't you contact the city of Arcadia for those stats, the footprint of the ALF in relation to street traffic won't lend itself to collisions with cars. On another note, my mother-in-law is living in that facility and it is an excellent place for her, she is widowed, fairly good health for 95 and is in a living environment amongst her peer group, they provide multiple activities, in house and off site, the food is excellent, they provide rides the her doctors office, the mall etc...we mulled over the idea of her coming to live with us in our home but decided, with her input, that the assisted living facility would be better for her, yes it is pricey, yes all of her immediate family have to contribute to allow her to stay their, but the alternative was not conducive to a fuller life, we both work and she would be alone all day...you may want to think of someone beside yourself when it comes to facilities that care for people,I pray you are never in need of such services....please vote YES ON ALF.

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    5. 235, the building I. referring to is a house. I was discussing proximity of the structure to the sidewalk and street. As for services, if you are paying for something, I should hope it meets your standard of service for the cost. what I need in the future of my own life is irrelevant to this topic. I would never be able to afford it, regardless of how you think I should vote.

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    6. Just follow the curve around until Rosemead, I think its there. the white house- you can tell it by the patching done from where cars have hit it. The mission styled structure they want to build on SM Blvd. is probably set back more- but it's hard to tell from the picture. Note: they drew nice big neighbors adjacent and to the west. I bet they have an idea brewing.......

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    7. I know that house! It was a lovely old home with a large yard set back from the street - until the street was widened! Can't fault the house.

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    8. No, no. The house is great- it is a perfect example of city interference. That turn is the problem, and I predict the same problem for this new building.

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  3. no longer undecidedNovember 6, 2012 at 6:21 AM

    According to john cappocia, we have billy shields and that amateur architects at the planning commission to thank for this. They converted a well massed craftsman residential structure set back from the street into a mixed use stucco box hat runs all the way to the sidewalk. In the process they scree the developer and the city.

    Bonus points: only the old version is shown on the city web site

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    1. We also have the ENTIRE City Council for the project. None of the City Council requested the building be reduced in size, have the pad lowered, or demand additional parking to meet city codes. If this passes you can blame the Planning Dept, Staff, the City Council, and all of the stupid people who voted yes without understanding what they were voting for. Everyone was worried about voting on the project and not what the project would be.

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    2. Shields announced loud and clear more than once that his bottom line was 95 residents. Not negotiable. 95 or he would walk. Can't do much about the size. That would also impact the parking; correct number of spaces = fewer residents.
      Could have done something about the pad height though.

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  4. vote for pedro.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEJFWoAVJz4

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  5. Hey, wait a minute. Wouldn't such substantial alterations require them to file for a new building permit or something?

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  6. The first battleground state to wrap it up today is Virginia at 4PM. That could tell us a lot.

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  7. Nothing ever changes much in Sierra Madre. The shenanigans they keep rolling on.

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  8. I just searched the city website, and all I can find is the picture at the top of this article, and another one like it on pages 18 and 19 of the Draft Initial Study, revised, 1-25-2012. That's all there is on the "City documents related to the Kensington" section.

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  9. This is what the Dirts have wanted all along - a luxury facility to make us look rich and fancy.

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  10. today we liberate America and rid ourselves of Uncle Tom and Uncle Joe. Vote yes on ALF too.

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    1. Aiyiyi.
      So glad my vote will cancel out yours, 7:46.

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  11. I don't know where all of you were but I was at the meetings where the "craftsman" style was scrapped and the "mission" style was trotted out. I was also at the meetings where the street level retail change was proposed and the drawings revealed. These changes were made at the request of the Planning Commission and the City Council after public input. Or at least the six members of the public who show up in Council Chambers. If you don't like the result, vote against the ALF. But after burying your head in the sand for the last two years don't pick today to be astounded and disappointed. It was all there for folks to see, comment on, and talk about.

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    1. Most of what I heard at those meetings was whether the rooms in the ALF were suites or units. That seemed to be the most important issue for those running the meetings. And if these things were so thoroughly discussed, why has this picture only emerged now? Amidst all of that transparency someone forgot and left it in their desk?

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    2. The General Plan Committee members lobbied long and hard for the retail component. Did you not see that very important meeting? Are you blaming Fountain Square because Patch and the $40K City input person didn't keep up with the photos? The correct renderings have been out there, in fact Patch was scolded for running the wrong photo and responded with an apology. In both cases it's the staff.

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    3. I am not sure that requiring the people of Sierra Madre to attend General Plan Committee meetings to find out what is going on with the ALF can be properly called transparency. I'm sorry, but that is something people were not told they had to do.

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    4. 8:28 - Only John Hutt spoke in favor of the retial component. John did not speak for everyone.

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  12. What a monstrosity. There is not way that thing should be built in this town. I know how I am voting!

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  13. Two "NO!" votes here. They ain't putting me and Pa in that cracker barrel.

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    1. I am not sure how many people in this town could even afford the way through that cracker barrell lid.

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  14. Uncle Tom? Really? 7:46's mind is in need of liberation. I'm surprised the censor let that one pass.

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    1. The Censor is surprised as well. Just goes to prove the Tattler editorial board is nothing if not democratic.

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    2. Sounds to me like someone expects censorship in the name of liberalism.

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    3. There's a lot of that going on - especially on Facebook. Tell the truth about Prop 30 and 32, and counter the MoveOn.org Soros machine, and your comment is removed, or you're unfriended.

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    4. While Harriet Beecher Stowe's work was fine indeed, and did much to elevate the consciousness of Americans regarding slavery, her character of Tom has come to symbolize something other than was intended, The remark struck me as having nothing to do with liberalism, but much to do with racism. And literary ignorance.

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    5. I doubt that those who support the ALF endorse this kind of racism.

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    6. Thank you, 9:12. For the others it's not easy to read with a white sheet over one's head.

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    7. l believe in the right for anyone to speak and show their stupidity as necessary.

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  15. Chief Black KettleNovember 6, 2012 at 8:45 AM

    Anyone who has glanced at the front page of the Mountain Views News and who is in favor of a diminutive Sierra Madre will probably want to take the front page, frame it, and hang it on their wall. What a stunning display of self indulgence and conceit. The first horrifying image to come to my eye was the tryptic of Joffee, Holden, and of course his evil immenence Bart Doyle (leaning into the photo). Trying to con us into thinking there is some sort of solidarity between parties and they want nothing but "good" for Sierra Madre. What a colossal bad joke! It was then that I cast my eye to the bottom of the page and there in beautiful color stood the brand new unapproved by the voters image of the ALF. That front page is a cautionary tale to all of us. None of the people depicted on that front page can be trusted to keep this town small. Good bye I'm going to vote now.

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  16. From the May 11, 2012 Tattler:

    There is a problem with this, however. Commercial space jammed into the front of the ALF is probably not going to rent, at least profitably. There is no overwhelming demand for shop space in town right now. The ideal of a commercial downtown has been frayed a bit by financial reality. The world does not beat a path to the gates of Sierra Madre in order to buy imported plasticware. And judging by the long availability of some of the currently unoccupied store space in town, that condition has not changed.

    This is something that Billy Shields clearly understands. Empty commercial space would cost him money and detract from the operation of the facility itself. Building store space into the street side of this project is not what he is looking for here. And by the end of this discussion Billy had become visibly angry at what he saw as yet one more demand for a redesign of his project.

    This was hardly the first time the Planning Commission had told him to make changes in the design of his project. Each time the developer respected their wishes and came back with something new. And each time the Planning Commission then asked for something newer. Shields then asked the Planning Commission that should he choose to go back one more time and redesign the project in accordance with their latest wishes, what guarantee would there be that he wouldn't be asked to do the same thing once again at the next meeting?

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    1. Looks like too many chefs spoiled the soup.

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    2. maybe the ingredients of the soup were rotten to begin with.

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  17. You should vote yes on the ALF in the name of architectural balance. We already have the rec-center montrosity in Vista Park. The ALF monstrosity will provide balance opposite Memorial Park. Balanced ugliness, that's the ticket.

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    1. Nicely put....Like our neighbors" Big,Bad and Ugly and Empty".

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  18. I feel bad for Billy and for us. The fools on the planning commission took a sound project and made it worse.

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  19. They say it will take 16 months to complete this atrocity....Think maybe two years!

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    1. You better get use to using alternative side streets.SM Blvd will be off limits.

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  20. I just looked at Patch and they still have the wrong picture up. Can someone forward them the one the Tattler has up? I don't know how to do that. Sorry.

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    1. You can upload any photos you want on the Patch :)

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    2. They don't have an editor anymore, just a couple guys from other Patches who check in once in a while. They had a lead story up about halloween costumes on Nov 3rd. 90% of the comments are about the election, made by people from other towns.

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    3. I've uploaded it on the Patch. It's funny but you can upload anything and they don't seem to notice.

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    4. There is nobody there anymore. It just runs automatically.

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    5. You knew I'd check... and there it is! Thank you 2:55 pm you do us all a favor.

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    6. I saw that there's no one running the ship over at the Patch. You're right 2:46, anything can be uploaded.

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    7. http://sierramadre.patch.com/blog_posts/blog-why-im-voting-yes-on-measure-alf

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    8. Interesting. Robo-Patch is open to plunder.

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  21. Has everybody forgotten the water "Issue"?How long will it remain out of sight after ALF is approved by the duped voters?

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  22. To: Banks, Sandy, Los Angeles Times
    Subject: I agree with you (sent today in response to her Nov. 3 column and today's letters to the editor regarding the points she was making):

    Hi Sandy--I tell my friends, acquaintances and some people that I just meet if the subject comes up..."Obama really represents me...my mother was a white midwestern woman too." Sometimes I get a puzzeled look until it clicks in but often I get instant recognition from the smart, liberal, Obama supporting ones. If the conversation goes on I say: "oh yeah, my grandmother, too."

    I sent him a message that he needed to follow his beliefs as the opposition would critize him for breathing in an breathing out, that they were out to get him the end of election day in 2008. The opposition could not believe the they did not have the policitic machine to keep that "... " out of the white house.

    And the wasted 4 years in the House of Representatives to do NOTHING for four years to keep the Obama administration from passing more legislation that would help their own constituency goes deep to show you the level of hatred on the opposite side.

    And this: we used to talk of situational ethics, now I we can talk about situational bigotry: southern white Baptists, born agains, etc., think that Mormonism and Catholicism are cults, but would vote for the Romney/Ryan ticket any day over that black man who is more of the same "chistian" ilk than they are.

    Out the door to vote for Obama and then to work to get out the vote.
    Caroline Bourque Brown, Sierra Madre, California

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    1. Wow, Caroline, you rock

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  23. The first big state to report this evening will be Virginia. 4 o'clock is the PST closing time of the polls there.

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  24. Gasp, conservitive womanNovember 6, 2012 at 5:47 PM

    Ms Brown, I disagree with your politics, and Im a bigot. Isnt that a gem, sorry s iu sta cuz the wrong black man is running for the white house, Mr Cain is far more qualified than the current president, oh but the dems and the media ran him out of town. Really who is the bigot here?

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    1. 5:47, unless you are a southern white Baptist who ascribes to the belief that Mormonism and Catholicism are cults, I don't think the label of bigot was applied to you. Of course it's a free country, and if you want to call yourself a bigot you have every right to do so.

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    2. My guess is "conservative woman" is actually a guy. Maybe even Mr. Elizabeth Wistar himself.

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  25. An Independent won the Senate race in Maine....

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  26. It's starting to feel like "Blazing Saddles" around here?

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  27. 199 against the Alf, 905 for.

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    1. I guess the Patch expose didn't make a dent?

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  28. 7990 registered voters, and 1,104 decide the Alfington's fate?

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  29. http://www.apatheticvoter.com/Article_DownfallDemocracies.htm

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    1. You should repost this to today's post. It is good.

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