Friday, December 7, 2012

A Whole Bunch of Stuff to Catch You Up On

~ Pre-Internet Blogging ~
There was a time in the history of this blog when I thought there wouldn't be enough to write about, and I'd only post 3 or 4 times a week. Now I wonder how I am going to cover it all. There is just so much going on right now. The more you look the more you see being the appropriate adage here, I guess. There is a lot of truth in adages. Or at least there is in the ones that make sense. So anyway, here is what is going on right now. Or at least a part of it.

Antonovich Warns "Clean Water" Tax Flyer Misleading: We discussed this flyer earlier in the week. Titled "Los Angeles - Clean Water, Clean Beaches Measure," it is written in that "save the world" kind of a way typifying so much of what dishonest government agencies are putting out these days. After all, here in Sierra Madre there are those who are touting downtown stack and pack development as being necessary to prevent global warming. There isn't much of anything being done nowadays by these kinds of folks that doesn't have at least some greenwash generously slapped on to it.

What this "Clean Water, Clean Beaches" flyer is actually all about is a tax hike being sold as yet another world saving effort that you would have to be a terribly callous person not to support. That it is going to come out of your hide in hundreds of dollars of increased yearly parcel taxes is downplayed just a little bit. Here is what Antonovich has to say:

Supervisor Michael D. Antonovich urged county residents to check their mailboxes for the "Official Notice to Property Owners of Public Hearing" which could result in a property tax increase. "While the mailing looks like junk mail, it is an important document that allows one to protest the proposed parcel tax," he said.  

"It is vital that property owners return the protest form to stop this additional tax," he added.  

"Property owners, schools and businesses already pay flood control taxes and now they are being asked to fork over more money at a time when families are struggling, schools are hurting and businesses are fleeing the state."

Residents have until January 15 to file their objection by returning their protest form or protesting at the public hearing on January 15, 2013 at 9:30 a.m. in the Hearing Room of the Board of Supervisors at the Hall of Administration.  If a majority of the property owners do not object, the Board of Supervisors can approve a mail-in-ballot to be sent to all property owners in March.  Passage requires only a simple majority.

If you haven't seen this flyer, or chucked it out because it did indeed look like junk mail, you can find it by clicking here. At the end of a rather long and deceptive tax sales pitch you will find the actual Prop 218 Tax Protest form. Something that state law required them to send out to you, and despite all the nonsense they surrounded it with there it is. Please print that part out and send it in to the County as soon as you can. Save yourself a couple of bucks while also having the satisfaction of letting them know you're on to them.

Monday Evening Is 710 Tunnel Meeting Night at the Pasadena City Council: A lot of other cities have come out against Metro's attempt to build this destructive hole under the pair of Pasadenas, including our very own Sierra Madre. Monday night it will be the big dog's turn to either bark or sit up and wag its perky tail. Hopefully Chris Holden won't still be voting. Also please be aware that SCAG and the SGVCOG are also for it, so there is the town wrecker goon squad element to consider as well. Here is how the Pasadena Star News describes the meeting (click here):

The City Council will take a position Monday on whether or not a tunnel should complete the Long Beach (710) Freeway. Though it opposed three other alternatives at a meeting in August, the council has shied away from taking a position on the tunnel connecting linking the San Bernardino (10) and Foothill (210) freeways.

While some residents believe the council kept quiet so that the freeway extension wouldn't become an issue in the state Assembly campaign of former City Councilman Chris Holden, city officials said they were awaiting a legal opinion.

Councilman Terry Tornek said he is glad the council will finally take a stand on the tunnel, but he's not sure it will affect Metro's decision to extend the freeway. "Frankly, I've been asking to have this brought forward much sooner, I think the public deserves to have an opportunity to know how we feel about this stuff," Tornek said. "But I also think there is a misconception about the influence the council can have in all this. This isn't our project and we are not the decision-makers here."

The council must reconcile whatever position it takes with voter-approved Measure A, which was passed in 2001. Pasadena residents took a position in support of "completing the 710 freeway between I-10 and I-210." At an August City Council meeting, Councilman Steve Madison proposed a resolution to oppose the tunnel.

Terry Tournek's statement kind of gets under my skin a little bit. Metro, the so-called "lead agency" pushing for this regional environmental cataclysm, is in the end is just another bureaucratic planning organization that lives off of our taxes. So why exactly are they so powerful that they can defy the wishes of elected officials and the tax paying citizens who sustain their employment? What almighty force stands behind them that makes whatever we and our representatives want to do so meaningless? Who exactly are these decision makers? And why do they have the God-like power to defy our wishes and spend $10s of billions of our dollars when doing it? Nobody ever seems to say.  

I received a notice from the wonderful folks at the No on 710 Action Committee (click here), and it included an e-mail that was sent by Weston DeWalt to the Mayor and City Council of Pasadena. It is a great read, and I am posting it here in its entirety.

Over the past five or six years I have found myself engaged in a variety of issues of concern to Pasadena residents, and through those efforts have met a number of individuals devoted to causes of equal concern to them. In the sharing of stories of our experiences, I began to notice that, when organized labor and/or the Pasadena Chamber of Commerce was promoting a specific action to be taken by the City Council, those who held an opposing view most often found themselves on the losing end of the debate. In recent years, the frequency of that occurrence has become even more glaring, and an increasing number of Pasadena citizens have begun to take notice. The blunt force and suppression tactics used to hasten the City Council’s approval of the final Rose Bowl/NFL EIR – for many – has proven to be the last straw. Or is there a final-final straw yet to come?

The City Council’s delay in dealing with the Measure A/710 extension issue – now going on for almost five months – seems to many to have been politically motivated. For some there is the belief that the delay was orchestrated in order to give Chris Holden time to clear the building without having to cast a vote, which could have jeopardized his election to the State Assembly. For others there is the belief that the delay was to help insure Holden’s favorable inclination toward the F-7 tunnel would be absent when a vote was taken on the Measure A/710 extension issue. Either way – if a delay was manufactured – the Council would have been in violation of a City ordinance that prohibits a purposeful delay in conducting business of concern to Pasadena citizens, and we would have been denied our right to fair and timely representation.

On December 10, when it has been announced that the Council will finally address the Measure A/710 extension issue, we may hear that the only reason for the delay was the City’s desire to clearly ascertain its legal position, that the complexity of the issue and the need to thoroughly analyze the situation were the sole reasons for the delay. If that should prove to be the case, I would recommend a serious dose of skepticism, especially in light of the fact that the City Manager – back in September – was telling citizens that it was his expectation that the matter would be resolved by Election Day in November.

When all is said and done, it may be that the City Council will vote to oppose the F-7 tunnel on December 10. If so, a good many of us will be grateful, but – should that come to pass – I think we should not lose sight of the effort that has been expended over the past several months to finally get the Council to the December 10 judgment day and what the City Council’s inaction may have contributed to the suppression of a wider awareness of the threat that the F-7 tunnel presents; thus encouraging METRO in its continuing ambitions.

If the Council does not vote to oppose METRO’s F-7 tunnel proposal, we can add that decision to the victory column of the Chamber of Commerce, whose seeming disregard for quality-of-life-issues – to my view – could well contribute to a degradation of the very environment that draws businesses, customers and residents to our city.

Finally, it must be considered that the City Council might decide to kick the can down the road by arguing that the Measure A/710 extension issue is just too complex to allow a clear decision as to what action the City Council could take and will advise that a ballot measure is the only option available to those who want to challenge the proposed F-7 tunnel. The attorneys with whom I have spoken about the Measure A/710 extension issue have all said that taking such a position would be nothing but a dodge, an effort on the part of Councilmembers to avoid having to publicly declare their positions. I and many other Pasadena residents share that belief.

Whatever is to come on December 10, some important civic lessons have been learned, and, thanks to many of you, there appears to be an ever-growing interest in more closely scrutinizing the actions of individual Councilmembers and the influences to which they respond. It is a scrutiny that is long overdue.

The Pasadena City Council meets and will discuss all of this on Monday, December 10th at 7:30 p.m. The address is 100 No. Garfield Avenue, Pasadena CA 91109. These occasions have been turning out huge crowds of justifiably angry folks, so getting there a little early is advised. I'm going to bring my laptop and post about it "live" from the meeting. If anybody would like to join me I can come by and give you a lift to the meeting. You have yet to live if you haven't had the chance to ride in a fuel efficient Saturn Ion yet.

Tony Brandenburg on Pearl Harbor Day and Whatever the Hell is Going On at the PUSD All of a SuddenToday is the big day folks.

Why? First and foremost, it is the day I honor my Grandfather who, on this day in 1941 was stationed on the USS Enterprise in Pearl Harbor, Hawai’i.  It wasn’t his narrative of what happened there that stayed with me all of these years later, though the  aftermath of that day would affect him for the rest of his life (he lost much of his hearing during the shelling.) It was his love of penguins. The only person I have ever known who saw penguins in the wild, he fell in love with these birds who, having never interacted with humans before, were so trusting they would approach the sailors. My grandfather looked at me once, clearly, and his eyes were so dark I remember being drawn in by them and realizing that I was in the audience of a great man.

He said, “Some of the others would just kill them. These wonderful birds,” and he paused. I could feel the tension in the air, and the kind of fury that can only be known by one who has been severely wronged.  “Those Gottdamn bastards. I reported them. I was hated from then on.” And he stared at me for a while, then bounced back in his swivel seat, his fat toothless poodle in his lap.  “Sometimes you have to do the right thing, son, no matter what the cost. Otherwise you’ll end up like one of them, just another Gottdamn fool.

To my Grandpa. Today is also the day that closes the window for the people who will run for City Council and School Board in Pasadena. We’re not part of that club, you and I, and whether I like you, or despise you, Sierra Madreans - people of the ‘dre, ‘dreans if you will - we are all unified on one thing. None of us matter right now to the City of Pasadena. We have no vote, and we have no voice. If we want to shop, we pay for their bags; if we want to park, we feed their meters; and if we want to use their public schools, or not - we pay their taxes.

We are taxed, but we are not represented. Wars have been fought, and countries have been created out of the ashes of such insignificant details.

I would rally for some kind of secession, but it's our own leadership that put us where we are. I’d be better off raising a middle finger from the roof of my house. At least then my vote would count, if only to me
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This week Mary Brandenburg and I spent two nights at the PUSD district office. One night was at a parent meeting with the Special Education staff, they were doing a state mandated quality review. This happens every four years, and it is an important thing for a number of us. Parents from all over Pasadena, Altadena, and Sierra Madre were in attendance, and many of us have concerns. Interestingly, the Director of Special Education, Dr. Michael Jason, was not in attendance, though his car was in the parking lot. We notice these little things. The Director of Special Education rarely shows up at Board Meetings, doesn’t respond to phone calls or emails, and this has unraveled a number of parents as a result. Just a word from the wise, he generally hides out on BBOR meeting nights in a dimly lit office, quietly avoiding the people that PUSD will eventually be sued by. I would suggest that you remember to bring your flashlight on Board Meeting nights if you want to find him. Just shine it through the windows and look for movement. Please, just between the three of us, OK?

On that second night we were at a closed Board session. These are the “shhhhh, secret” meetings you only hear about, like a grown-up verion of Sneaky's Peepshow. There is a reason for this. Some things are just too sensitive for you and I to be privy to. Well, now just too sensitive for you, because I got to be in a closed session. Of course, it was about my family and a complaint against the dimwit investigator of Human Resources, so I guess what I am really like is the pain-in-the-ass guest who pays the $1500 a plate and gets to sit there on the sofa farting, chatting it up with some self-important politician, gulping cheap champagne, and licking my fingers before I reach over you to get at the hors d’oeuvres. The real important closed session stuff happened before we got there; we were just like the burp after the main course. Something is definitely going down in the PUSD and with the Measure TT.

Renatta Cooper and Elizabeth Pomeroy were both absent, perhaps recovering from the nice things I said about them in the Tattler last week- leaving the decisions to be handled by the team of five. I am not sure what transpired at the meeting, but what I do know from listening through the wall with a glass, is that there is a Chief of Facilities collecting $10K a month to stay home, that a whole bunch of building companies just got sacked by the Board, and a bucketload of our cash is missing, or overspent, or in a lawyer’s pocket, or, in the more perfect world I envision, maybe lost at the blackjack table.

Oh, yeah, and I nearly forgot. I had an awesome chiliburger and fries, and for the first time in a long while, I even enjoyed a Dr. Pepsi.  At the 4:30 Facility Subcommittee Meeting, a citizen oversight committee member resigned, and a new one was appointed. Please note how much weight I just gave that critical piece of information. It’s just another nonchalant statement in the middle of a long dialogue where I mostly talk about myself, something I take great pride in. Pay attention to the insignificant things I say when I tub-thump and I distract with minutia. There will always be a point, and it will generally slide past unnoticed in the fanfare. That’s how the smart guys play this game that we are losing.

And by the way, for all of that “We showed them who’s the boss” from the middle school parents a while back at a PUSD Board Meeting, showing 'em what it is, and shouting it with pride to "Finish Sierra Madre Upper Campus!", and all of the bravado, and all of the self back slapping and self- congratulatory victory chants ... your world just took a dump. All projects just got shut down, including the one at Marshall Fundamental. So get ready, Sierra Madre Upper, to show the Board one more time who the boss is. Ha. Ha, ha.  Meanwhile, me and my ruca will be working out the plan for how we’ll see that money go to the school that we’ve been exiled to. Keep dreaming of that gymnasium, and that pool, and that special toilet in the middle of the sports field.

Build it, and they will come. But will it will flush?

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96 comments:

  1. Okay, Tattlers, another opportunity to take charge of your environment. Put it on your calendar and show up at the Pasadena City Council meeting Monday night - 7:30. I'll be there, shortening my work day.

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    1. The Pasadena City Council Meeting on 12/10 has been moved to the Pasadena Convention Center, Ballroom Building, E-H. SR-710 is on the agenda at 7:30. See y'all there!

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  2. "The blunt force and suppression tactics used to hasten the City Council’s approval of the final Rose Bowl/NFL EIR – for many – has proven to be the last straw."
    I think that we have a parallel here in the One Carter destruction. It was the last straw of councils completely ignoring what the majority of the citizens wanted for the town, and after that, came the fight against the DSP that ended in Measure V.

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    1. It is how bad government works. The "process" grinds on for years until people give up or move away. What do places like Metro care? They're getting paid no matter what they do. It all boils down to who they're working for. It is not us.

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    2. You might have a point, 7:40, if it wasn't PRIVATE PROPERTY that you're talking about.



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    3. I see that 8:54 is new to town.
      The private property angle was not a problem.
      It was the approval of a disastrous plan based on greed and ineptitude that was the problem.
      Good use could have been made of that land, both for development and conservation. Instead our council approved (4-5) a scrape of the hillsides and a design so poor in quality that nobody's buying..

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    4. Sorry, 9:25. You couldn't be more wrong - been here for 45 years - and you?.

      Take a look at the General Plan in place when Carter was proposed for residential development. If memory serves me correctly, the GP stated that up to 50+ homes could be constructed on that property. Were you even here when that General Plan was written? Did you oppose such overdevelopment on that property?

      Now, I am not in favor of overdevelopment, but you don't get to decide whether a city council should turn flat on its head a project which adheres to the General Plan and zoning regulations. This is why the project had to be approved.

      There seems to be a recurring theme by the anti-development crowd here in Sierra Madre. It's like in kindergarten you didn't learn the difference between mine and yours. In other words, it's not your PRIVATE PROPERTY. When Willis placed the property on the market did you tirelessly work to get a conservancy to purchase the property? And even if you did, why weren't you successful? There are plenty of other cities who were successful during this same time period in our region.

      It is a slippery slope (see what I did there) when city council's violate private property rights. The city won't divulge the million + spent on litigation with the developer. I am sorry for you that you would support a "taking" of private property just because the OWNER of the property happens to be a developer.

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    5. "Good use could have been made of that land, both for development and conservation."

      Great observation, 9:25, except with your inflated ego, you forgot that you don't get to decide how a private property owner uses their private property if it conforms to zoning laws.

      And by the way, Sierra Madre has never had 9 council members. Maurer knew that the other 4 on council would vote for the project, so his lone vote against the project did nothing other than give a nod to the anti-development crowd.

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    6. Enid Joffe was the Mayor when this project was finally approved. She was especially proud that more than 250+ caveats were attached to the approval that required oversight by the City in order for any building to take place. None of those 250+ stipulations have ever been enforced - or even heard of since. Joffe's enduring leagacy continues to be the hold up of the nursery school for a million dollars to buy the Goldberg's house at market value plus to build the "Goldberg Park".

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    7. 9:55 must have had the special copy of the 1996 General Plan, the Michael Colantuono version. Colantuono worked long and hard to make that development happen, despite his assurances that he would prevail in court if it came to defending the Hillside Management Zone. He was gifted at saying one thing and facilitating another. The ignoring and continued ignorance of the fact that the General Plan prohibited grading in the hillsides was a masterful shenanigan.

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    8. 10:03, 50+? Bwa hah hah.
      Developer dreams - stack and pack the hillsides and then get out to someplace much nicer and less dense.

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    9. Colantuono is worth his weight in gold to developers.
      The guy knows how to eviscerate an ordinance and a general plan.

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  3. Terry Tournek is running for reelection unopposed. So obviously he would be the Council's choice for crash test dummy duty.

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  4. I was hoping today that the Tattler would be continuing its story with the Alacorn girl. Cant you dig up some "naughty" pictures for us to see.?

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    1. Mayor Moran is on the Gene Goss Show today at noon. Would that help?

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    2. The Loser Lunch Hour Show.

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    3. Poor Gene, he has to keep interviewing folks like Moran because no one with any sense will appear on his show.

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    4. Does anyone actually listen to that station?

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  5. New Policy on posting - Going to start rejecting any posts remotely similar to 7:50. This idiot keeps flooding the moderation box with this garbage. Done and over.

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    1. Thank you Mod!

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    2. Thanks. Some people need to seek help.

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    3. Must be related to the child porn advocate. They want to see what they can slip by, not recognizing that there's limits to what's funny and what goes over the line.

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    4. So tell me oh Great One, did you outsource the approval process for submissions being posted? Why do YOU post submissions and then take them down, very strange way to control your own blog.

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    5. 4:14 suffers from Tattler Derangement Syndrome.

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    6. I think it's more like a case of Tattler Obsession. Somebody's smitten with the Mod.

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    7. Key phrase here: "your own blog". Working within Blogger guidelines The Mod can post and take down, even modify (gawd forbid) with impunity. Too bad how sad for you anonymous buttwipe.

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    8. Don't feed the buttwipe - I mean troll.

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  6. must be Steve trolling

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    1. Someone trying to discredit the blog is my guess.

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    2. Good guess 8:32. The Alarcon blog was tongue in cheek, but made an important point re parenting. It wasn't an opportunity to post lasciviousness

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    3. John, I love the pairing of you and Tony on the same day! You guys play well off each other.

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    4. Drawing a blank. Who is the political consultant that worked for the agency Bart Doyle hired to defeat Measure V?
      He is a friend of Moran and shows up here once in a while.

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    5. Chip Ahlswede. From Schubert Flint. Potty posts are about his speed.

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    6. My guess would be 'marital aid' guy.
      Who probably isn't married.

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  7. TB thank you for sharing your Grandfather with us, a great man indeed from a great generation.
    Thanks to JC prop 218 fished out of recycle bin and mailed off.
    Oy vey 710 "not moving trucks from the ports" tunnel.. This is such a disaster environmentally around the corner.. the meeting Monday should be quite entertaining, thanks for the live blog JC.
    PUSD... Ugh... Im still wondering why there were men with blue prints in front of the middle school on Monday... With so many parents putting their kids in private schools, Im wondering if PUSD will try to get the middle school closed all together and the property aka asset sold off to somebody's buddy's big time development company?

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    1. BBQG, trust me, PUSD doesn't want a mad rush of Sierra Madre families defecting to private and parochial schools.

      If memory serves me correctly, PUSD's thinking(!) was that SM needed a middle school to encourage 100+ kids to stay in PUSD, at least thru 8th grade. Remember, PUSD gets $$$ from the state for every kid enrolled.

      I think that PUSD wants to do just enough to get parents to think they're "working" on the middle school. That way, the parents keep their young'uns in PUSD and the $$$ keeps on flowin".

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    2. The property is perfect for the kind of all encompassing school/health/community development the Chris Holden wants. Hey, even the Green folks can make certain the bus stops there several times a day.

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    3. Tunnel Holden cares about health? Now there is a laugh. The only thing Holden cares about is making dough for his cronies while spending taxpayer money to do it.

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    4. you are welcome, bbqg. he was an awesome man.

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  8. Right On 9:55! One Carter remains a failed project because of the delays caused by Sierra Madre residents to stopped the project. The project ended up unfruitful for the developer as they missed the market. Congratulations to those who stopped this aweful project no homes were built...We now have our open space at Once Carter.

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    1. Nonsense. The developer was inept and the whole thing fell apart. Missed the market? So why aren't those properties selling now? There isn;t near enough housing stock in Sierra Madre to meet the demand.

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    2. Warning to the people and government of Sierra Madre. Unless you immediately roll over to the demands of developers when they show up in town vast ecological disasters such as One Carter will be all your fault.

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    3. It was the residents! Not the corrupt developer who had a habit of declaring bankruptcy and who engaged in law suits for sport. It was those nosy residents all along.

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    4. The land is in demand, but not at the price point they are asking. If they were asking 250k per parcel, they'd get a lot of takers. But they want half a million for a naked, ugly, fire prone area with no neighbors. Good luck with that.

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    5. Shaky Estates. Priced to a "fault."

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    6. Add to that that many of the lots are shaped weirdly and offer too many challenges to make a house fit right. The dogs like it though.

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    7. Mudslides, wildfires and a fault line. So I guess the extra money you'd pay for these lots is because of the excitement factor?

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    8. You musn't leave out the Native American burials on that property! Don't p*** off the deities!!

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  9. If the process to entitle and approve One Carter followed normal process, we would have 27 or so beautiful homes up on that hillside. As it was, it took several years of public hearings. The fact remains, the developer would have put homes there if it was financially fruitful. Period. Personally I would have preferred that retirement community that was proposed back in very early 2000. After that developers encounters with SM resident they ran scared and noted in our paper they would prefer to be in a place that they were welcome. Enough said.

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    1. No town rolls over to a developer who wants to build a massive housing project like that. None. The failure lies with the developer. The price of doing business is working with the city and dealing with what the people who live and pay taxes there want. That DP couldn't handle doing business here is no fault but their own. And again, if One Carter is such a delightful place to build, why is nobody buying the lots now?

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    2. Isn't it true that the only people who did buy lots at One Crater were Realtors who thought they were making a good investment?

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    3. Mussolini had a solution for people who believed democracy should get in the way of making the trains run on time.

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    4. 10:32, do you also blame the Planning Commissioners for turning that misbegotten project down? Not that it did any good. Torres, Joffe, Stockly and Buchanan are the ones who are finally responsible for that disaster - no one else.
      It's called accountability.

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    5. 10:56, the view lots, the ones that probably were illegal if the hillside management zone were enforced, are owned by flippers.

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    6. One Carter is on the side of a MOUNTAIN stupid! It is subject to Flash floods (perhaps as much a 35 inches of rain in a week), Major earth quakes from the Sierra Madre Fault right under them, Hurricane force winds, Mud slides not covered by homeowners or flood insurance, Debris dams which will not offer serious protection, Fires periodically that are awsome, Restricted access (one way in and maybe one way out), to mention a few of the conditions inhibiting development. Go up there and take a look for yourself, its a mountain side steep and wild. No one in their right mind would invest money to built a home there which means prospective homeowners are much brighter than Developers and Real Estate Speculators.

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    7. AND patrolled by Sierra Madre's finest - a sort of private security force. A local woman and her visiting family took a brief motor trip to the top of One Carter to see the sunset and were issued a ticket for trespassing on private property!

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    8. Huh?
      It is not closed to residents - or at least it is not supposed to be.
      Isn't that one of the conditions?

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    9. Why 12:03 pm? Exclusivity or fear of vandalism? Like residents want to take handfuls of dirst to discourage development? What a crock. How many unlocked cars were robbed while Giannone's private army chased down the mauraders? It would be a lot less expensive if the developers/brokers employed Post... or maybe the City bills them for surveillance...

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  10. Bbqg, don't forget that things changed re building on Tuesday after the Board met in closed. Now everything is on hold...

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  11. Um duh 10:41 why isnt anyone buying lots now. What are you one of the insulated Sierra Madreans mortgage free who never go down the hill? Hello, the reason there isnt any activity up on One Carter is the ECONOMY. Banks are not very generous these days in the lending acitivty. What planet do you live on? Oh I forgot Sierra Madre the town of the isolated elite.

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    1. The wealthy people that a development like Carter is made for have still got plenty o'bucks.
      But they didn't get that rich by throwing away their money on lessor products.
      you can do a lot better for your dollar elsewhere.

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  12. A comment that the lots are at $250 seems to be way below avg SM market value. Look at all the junk tear downs in this town that the only value is of the land at 7500sf. If the lots are at a 500K thats within reason. Of course however all of Sierra Madre is over valued still and over rated. San Dimas, Claremont, La Verne, Glendora are much more value for the buck and all have better schools then Sierra Madre. SM residents need to get off their high horse and realize their little haven is not so much heavan any longer.

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    1. It is a "heavan" for those who live here. And it is also a nice place. One that we plan to keep that way. Despite all the whining from the likes of you.

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    2. There's a huge difference between those lots and the ones people would pay 750k for. A flat lot with beautiful trees in an established neighborhood with handsome houses is worth good money.

      A stripped flat lot next the mountains, with extra flood zone costs, vague promises of future neighbors.... not worth 500k. If it was, it would have sold already and the builder would have built. Maybe it's worth 400k... probably not. You put a gorgeous, high end house on there, it's still going to look like a mcmansion on that naked hill.

      Because of the way they stripped the hill, they've reduced its value to Canyon land value. If people start building, then the value will increase. But right now, who wants to pay top price to build on the assumption the rest will follow?

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  13. Question for the retards out there. If One Carter is uninhabitable due to flood zones, wild life, earthquake faults, debris basins etc.then why in hell did our founding father of this beloved city of our build there. I mean we worship Nathaniel Carter and the Willis as the pioneers of our town. We're they as stupid as Dorn Platz? And why until recently was someone residing in the out cabin up there smack dab in the middle of the natural disaster area? If it is indeed as uninhabitable as you all claim wouldnt it seem as though the area would be condemned by the city? Wake up people and smell the coffee. You spend to much time at Bean Town.

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    1. First of all, please stop using a slur against the special needs community. Secondly, do you honestly see no difference between one or two houses built with acres of land in its natural state around them, and a jumble of 30 lots squeezed into reformed and bermed land?

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    2. Retards is an extremely pejorative term for people facing certain challenges. And judging by what you've written here, you share in that.

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    3. 12:41, you've spent too much time in a cave.

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    4. 12:41, I think you may have gotten lost since your head is stuck where you should be sitting.

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    5. 12:41 - lowlife.

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  14. 12:41 needs your attention, Moderator, use of the term 'retards' is totally unacceptable!

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    1. Unless you and others object, I would like to let that stand as an screaming example of the no class individuals we are dealing with today.

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  15. I just hit "click here" for the clean Water issue and called the 800 number when I saw that the protest portion did not include a line for you to include your APN and address for the protest. I said to the person answering the phone that if this was not included most people would do it wrong, even though that was the instruction in the previous paragraph.

    I had told her that I did not receive my notice/form in the mail and she said that several hundred thousand were ready for the mail early next week. Then, if I did not receive mine then I should call back. She said that the APN would be listed on each mailer for that address.

    I was told that the on-line form, without the space for the APN and address, was a sample and not the actual mailing people were going to get next week.

    Anyhow, follow the Tattler's "click here" and call the 800 number and see what you are told.

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  16. The San Gabriel Valley Council of Governments (SGVCOG) held another secret meeting Decemnber 05, 2012 Wednesday night to begin the selection process for hiring a new executive director his or her's salary will jump from $160,000 to $190,000 a year with perks that should round it out to nearly $300,000 a year plus.

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    1. That seems like a lot of money for an agency that organizes battery recycling drives.

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    2. Maybe that money is there because they want to attract a big name, someone that will rescue the COG from a well-deserved demise. If so, that could be bad news for Puddinhead Bart.

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  17. Certainly go ahead and send in your "protest" forms on this new proposed tax, however there is NO way that more than 50% of the affected owners are going to send these forms in. As well, this protest form is just the first step in the process.

    The Board of Supervisors are not obligated to call for an election and can simply vote to not proceed. I suggest each of you email all 5 Supervisors expressing your opposition to this proposed tax and urging them to NOT call for an election.

    If they do proceed, the all mail election process will cost the County MILLIONS to conduct and each affected owner will receive a ballot where they can cast their vote either for the tax or against it - that's when it become imperative that we get the message out and insure everyone affected votes.

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  18. 12:41 Its OK for you to park in Handicap Spaces since you are unable to understand the difference between flat land and mountainsides.

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  19. Whoever knows the woman who was cited for trespassing at One Carter--tell her to take the ticket to City Hall and ask if the conditions of approval for open access to all the streets and the little viewing path along the west ridge are no longer open to the public? The police department certainly might not know what they are doing and this ticket should be protested. I wasn't there so I can't say for sure where they were when the cops issued the ticket. If they were on a lot that was for sale, fast talking ( hey officer, we are looking to buy property) should have saved the day. If it was on a lot that has been sold, well, then good luck as the lots are poorly marked as to which one have been sold and most of that is probably a phoney label to make other prospective buyers think things are going well.

    The moderator and a few Sierra Madre residents were on the court house steps in Pomona a couple of years ago when both 1 Carter and Stonehouse were up for auction. There was no one putting out bids for either of these two big messes and the asking price was hugely discounted even at that. On two different occassions the owners/would-be speculators called the Trust for Public Lands in Sacramento to see if there was any money for open space for the "not a part" of each project. In each instance TPL called the president of the Sierra Madre Mountain Conservancy to get more information and was told they were trying to get public money for open space preservation on land that could not be developed on as per the development agreement.

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    1. The City Council that opened One Carter up for environmental rape by Dorn Plotz has got to be considered the worst in Sierra Madre's history. What a reprehensible box of lizards they were.

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  20. Have a rotten weekend John

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    1. Woah, is that the way to start the Christmas holidays? Have a great weekend, John.

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    2. 'Tis the season to be sour. At least on Planet DIC.

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    3. Are you kidding, 3:21? I bet with all the "scoops" Crawford has been collecting on local officials, he'll have a GREAT weekend.

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    4. It really was quite a good week on the Tattler.

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    5. well, a rot/ten is still a ten, right? a ten weekend ain't so bad. way better than a three. i always wondered, is there such a thing as a bad weekend?

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    6. and hey, hey, let's turn that frown into a smile, 321. this town's no place for a sourpuss. there's always enough pixie dust for everyone

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHPOzQzk9Qo

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    7. Yes, and we who love to read the Tattler wish the Crawford family an awesome holiday season!!!!!!!!
      To all the Crawfords.....Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

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    8. I think 3:21 was blown out of the water by Crawford. So which dirty little secret are you?

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  21. Well, I remember being upset by something when I was a teen-ager, I am sure it was earth shattering and someone was saying bad things about me. My dad, who was smart, solid and never angry said: well...when certain people are calling you a (fill in the blank) you know you are doing something right. So, whoever told John to have a rotten week-end is just projecting and declaring his or her self-designated status as a (fill in the blank).

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  22. If "have a rotten week-end" just wants company for their misery they certainly can find it, but they would be better off if they walk out the door, took a deep breath of the freedom from want they no doubt enjoy and smile at the next person they see. Just holding out some hope for this sad person.

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  23. Just a reminder: enjoy the week-end, brought to you by the unions.

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  24. There is so much richness here, one doesn't know where to begin:
    1. My children go to SM Elementary, and I took the tour of the refugee camp they call the Middle School last week. PUSD has to be in violation of some kind of law for this atrocity, don't they? A lineup of trailers, a surviving wing of the old building with asbestos tiles and lockers that look like they've taken fire, all next to a field of weeds and trash? If my kid goes here for three years, I guarantee he will never be in a building worthy of the name. Until they resolve this (IF) why doesn't PUSD deploy buses to send everybody to Burbank School in Altadena? They closed that one down last year, and have desperately filled it with any administrative/counseling/preschool program they can so they don't have to give it up to a charter school. Why not use it as, say, a school?

    2. RE: the new clean water tax: This reminds me of the following: several years ago there was a proposition on the ballot to float a bond issue to create a pool of money for embryonic stem cell research. Why the state has to be involved in medical research is beyond me, but it was beyond me that the voters approved this millstone on their property tax bill. Well, the pool of money was created and an unaccountable board appointed to dole it out. The board is mostly academic medical researchers and -- surprise, surprise! -- they are voting their own institutions vast amounts of largesse from your pocket. Rubes.

    So with this new "clean water" tax. We'll add another millstone on your property for some vague "save the world" notion that creates a big pot of money so that consultants can be employed and petty politicos can vote themselves favors. And we'll put it in this throwaway brochure telling you how wonderful it is -- and oh yes, there's a little thing, minor, really, about protesting it. Don't worry your little head about it. It's worth an extra hunnerd or so from you every year, isn't it? Otherwise you like to kill and eat puppies. Just come along, because you know we use your money wisely. Rubes.

    3. I did not vote for Measure TT because they didn't give me believable assurances that they wouldn't repeat whatever happened in Measure Y. "GIve us more money, and we won't piss it away this time." I was told by Peter Dreier that if I didn't vote for this, I must also kill and eat puppies. (Professor Drier also thinks that your first duty is to be a cash cow for fashionably lefty government programs. He also implied that if anybody from the Tea Party won an election, there would be concentration camps. Yet he still runs free range), Rubes.

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