Thursday, February 21, 2013

Has Metro's Sockpuppet "710 Tunnel Coalition" Brought In Mountain West Research's Push Polling Operation?

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Mod: The people pushing for the 710 Tunnel, faced with the pariah status that those who would destroy entire portions of our region on the behalf of hostile foreign economic interests fully deserve, continue to bring in a rogue's gallery of  associates to work with. Many that long time readers and supporters of The Tattler are quite familiar with. And today we have the pleasure of sharing what we know with some of our new friends, people who have shared so much great information and insight with us. Here is an e-mail I receive yesterday from one of the brilliant people fighting the Chu-Holden-Messina-Fasana 710 Tunnel. It looks like something that we have seen here in the recent past is now hard at work in their communities.

I've got a "hot tip"  :)

Pasadena and Glendale area residents have been receiving a lengthy telephone survey that asks where they live, their opinion about traffic in the area, their opinion about the proposed 710 Tunnel, and then provides many positive statements about the benefits of a tunnel. Those of us who oppose the tunnel have not commissioned or requested a telephone survey, nor can we afford such an effort.

We suspect that an entity that supports the tunnel has commissioned this survey; and we feel the survey is clearly biased, uses guiding questions, induces and encourages desired responses. If that is the case, the survey results are by definition biased, faulty, inaccurate, unreliable and false.

The commissioning entity could perhaps be a city like Alhambra, perhaps a construction company that plans to bind on the project, perhaps a consulting company like CH2MHill that has been engaged by Metro to do their public outreach, perhaps it is part of the effort to oust Ara Najarian from his Metro Board seat --

What we do know is the name and contact information for the company doing the survey, and most of the questions they are asking, as documented below.

Two other tidbits that can be pursued: Harry Baldwin, the guy who took over Nat Read's position as a lobbyist for the 710 Coalition, hired by the City of Alhambra. And the fact that pro-tunnel "710 coalition" is requesting membership fees, of $6000, to be paid from Measure R monies, from member city Rosemead, and presumably the same from the other member cities San Gabriel, San Marino, Monterrey Park and Alhambra.  (From Pasadena Independent article “Rosemead approves participation in pro-tunnel 710 Coalition" (click here).

Mod: This 710 push polling effort has set off alarms in the affected communities. The following was recently posted on the No 710 Action Committee website (click here):

“I just received the call from Mountain West Research:  It was very hard to write everything down.  I tried my best.  Be sure to read item #15.  There were more questions asked then I have here:

1.  Classification.  What year were you born
2.  Are you registered to vote
3.  What is the probability that you will vote, etc
4.  Generally speaking, are things in Pasadena going in the right or wrong track
5.  Rate the quality of life in Pasadena
6.  What is the biggest issue that the City Council should focus on.
7.  Thinking about traffic & congestion in my area today, am I satisfied or not
8.  For improving traffic & congestion would it be best to:
     -build new roads
     -add buses
     - add more bicycle lanes
     -710 tunnel
     -extend Gold Line
9. They asked if I was familiar with the 710 tunnel.  Do you strongly oppose, oppose, support, strongly support.
10.  They described the tunnel, 4.5 gap, aline 2 freeways, 8 lines.  Etc.

 Do you strongly oppose, oppose, support, strongly support. (use this for the rest of the questions.)
11.  Would I use the tunnel?
12.  They asked about a TOLL and what I thought about each of the following amounts,  if I was willing to pay  each amount:  $5, $10, then $15
13..The next questions focused on the Supporters of the Tunnel
Stating things like:  The Local Quality of life would improve - I lost it at this point.
14.  The next few questions focused on the Opposing side
5 miles, no exits, stuck in the tunnel if there's an accident, emergency access only on each end, cost estimates between 5.6 and 14 billion dollars, crosses 4 earthquake faults, etc.

The next 5 questions focus on the Supporters of the tunnel:
15.  They now start using the words very Convinced, Convincing, not convinced as your answer to their question. The tunnel is the key to our State's Transportation Network.  It will improve the traffic flow and make it easier for trucks to move Cargo from Ports in Los Angeles and Long Beach up State and across the Country!  (I made her repeat this several times)
16.  The Tunnel will bring 25,000 jobs
17.  In Japan, they have tunnels, they have no problems, etc.
18.  Without the tunnel, traffic will get worse.
19.  The tunnel has been studied by xxxxx.  MTA and SCAG agree a tunnel will reduce congestion and pollution more than any other proposed Highway Project.

Then they asked which politician-party you support and etc.

They also asked if you lived north or south of the 210,  then east or west of Lake Avenue.”

Name of the Polling Company: If you go to 800notes.com you find that 1-231-224-2033 is assigned to Mountain West Research. Their site: http://mwrcenter.com. Some folks called by them - according to 800notes - are asked questions relating to sensitive political issues. I would advise anyone taking a call from the 231 number ask specifically what company is taking the survey and the purpose for it. I would also prepare a summary of the questions asked and note the date and time of the call.

I have no doubt this is a product of the 710 Coalition.

Mod: So there you are. We here in Sierra Madre are quite familiar with Mountain West Research. Back in early 2011 they were brought in to do a push polling operation to manufacture support here for the kinds of SCAG Housing the Buchanan/Mosca/Downtown Investor's Club crowd were hoping to bring in. In March of 2011 we posted an article called "Have You Been Called By Mountain West Research Yet?" It is to date the 5th most read post we have ever posted here, linked to by people all over the country looking for info on this leader in the disreputable push polling field. Here is what the article had to say:

(Tattler, Mar 18, 2011): When you live in a City run by a government as opaque as ours, you have to look hard for those little clues that reveal where they think they're driving the bus. And one of the very best ways to get a handle on these things is by the questions being asked in a telephone survey. There have been very few of them over the years, and they do seem to come along only during those most special of times. The surveys conducted during the run up to the Measure V election being most memorable and revealing.

But when they do come around, they can be quite a tip off as to where the men behind the curtain want to take us.

And it appears that we are now living in special times because phones have been ringing in town, and the people doing the dialing are equipped with some rather pointed and informed questions. Inquiries dealing with some of the biggest issues we as a community face right now.

The name of the company conducting this phone survey is Mountain West Research Center. Located somewhere in Idaho, MWRC is a concern that is hired to contact people and get their opinions on things. In other words, they are a data collection company, and they do telephone surveys for people who want to know what a community might be thinking on important issues. Here is a passage from the Mountain West website dealing with the tender topic of why it is they might have contacted you.

"Each climber has unique experiences and there is value from learning from one another. Survey research is key to shaping everyday society because it allows people like you to share your thoughts on everything from social to political issues. Mountain West Research Center is a data collection company that is contracted to administer surveys on behalf of third party research companies. We do not sell products, solicit donations, or intentionally frustrate potential survey participants."

In other words, just answer the damn questions and get over yourself. Because if you don't how are we going to finish this project and get paid?

Now as angelic and pure as they attempt to make these efforts sound, Mountain West Research Center has not always behaved themselves like a nice data collection company should. Check this out from a site called Research.com:

"Mountain West Research Centre fined $20,000 over push polling - Mountain West Research Centre has agreed to pay $20,000 to settle a dispute with new Hampshire attorney general Michael Delaney over push polling activities. The company contacted 529 households in New Hampshire between 19 and 21 July on behalf of Democratic Senate candidate Paul Hodes."

Push polling is legal in the state providing callers declare which political candidate they are campaigning on behalf of. According to the attorney general's office, Mountain West did not provide the disclosures required by law.

I don't know what the laws are here in the State of California in regards to polling like we're now seeing here in Sierra Madre, but according to the people I have spoken with the Mountain West phone jockeys do not identify the party that contracted with their company to make survey calls here. Which is why we'll have to make some guesses based on what it is that is being asked.

The questions Mountain West Research Center is asking Sierra Madreans are the following:

- Is housing and development in Sierra Madre a concern?

- Should the Mayor and City Council increase fees or cut services?

- Should we have affordable housing here?

- Should we make certain houses that are being sold are ecologically sustainable?

- Should we band together with neighboring communities to save money on services?

- Do you think home sales in your neighborhood will increase, decrease, or stay the same?

These are, of course, questions at the very core of what many have come to suspect is a stealth (or not so stealth) agenda of the G4 Council (Buchanan, Mosca, Walsh, Mo' Money) to move towards large scale development here. And if they are the ones who contracted for this survey, then apparently the G4 is interested in gauging how strong the opposition to their efforts within the community might be. As well as what the level of acceptance is for fluffy agenda-laden jargon such as "affordable housing" and "ecologically sustainable."

And like I said, I don't recall these kinds of survey questions being asked here since the glory days of the Downtown Specific Plan. If you have been surveyed by these people The Tattler wants to hear from you.

Mod: So could it be that the 710 Coalition is using push polling in an attempt to create some sort of consensus for building what would be an ecologically devastating tunnel into the San Gabriel Valley? Just like the DIC did here to attempt to build a consensus for SCAG Housing? There was a particularly good comment posted to this article back then on the topic of push polling. I thought I would repost it here:

(Tattler, Mar 18 & 19, 2011): Some of today's posters reflect a misunderstanding of "push polls." Push polls - like the one that took place in New Hampshire and the ongoing "push poll" of Sierra Madreans - are not intended to function as accurate surveys of residents' attitudes. Instead, push polls serve as political campaign calls to sway public opinion in the guise of unbiased surveys.

Then too, push pollsters often ask questions that are crafted to generate misleading survey results that can be used by elected officials to justify their unpopular actions. Let's use, as an example, this question asked of Sierra Madreans.

"Should we have affordable housing here?"

Most residents when asked this question will answer "yes." After all, just about everybody is in favor of affordable housing and the question sounds innocuous enough. On closer examination, however, the push pollster's intent becomes obvious. The Sierra Madre City Council recently proposed construction of a low income housing project on Highland Avenue. Thus far, the reaction of residents to the Council's proposal has been uniformly and profoundly negative.

To counter-act opposition in the future from other residents, the push pollster has substituted the inflammatory "low income" with the rosy euphemism "affordable housing."

Those residents polled have been unwittingly conditioned by the push pollster to believe that the City is proposing to construct affordable housing and not a low income project. Worse still, the City Council can cite to the residents support for "affordable housing," as reflected in the poll results, as evidence that the community overwhelmingly favors the low income housing project.

Lest you think I'm reading too much into the above push poll question, I should tell you that I've run multiple political campaigns. Accordingly, I am very very familiar with push poll techniques.

Mod: So that is pretty much what I know. I can tell you this however, Metro's sock puppets may be spending a lot of our tax money on push polling in order to manufacture a consensus for this tunnel. If so, it does raise the question of whether or not tax payer funded political advocacy, particularly the kind of advocacy that works against the interests and health of those affected, is legal. Also: here are a couple of articles and links that I thought would be of interest. 

Employees suddenly laid off from Mountain West Research (click here)

Mountain West Research Center fined $20,000 over push polling (click here)

Quotes from Elected Officials who want the SR-710 Extension (Includes Judy "Community Schools" Chu - click here)

Rosemead Request to Participate in the 710 Coalition (click here)

http://sierramadretattler.blogspot.com

68 comments:

  1. Is the traffic SO BAD on the streets of Pasadena and SO CONGESTED that there is a legitimate concern among Pasadena's residents and city government that the tunnel needs to built?

    I would really like to know. I go to Pasadena a few times a week, and I just am not seeing the congestion, and that would be the only legit reason to do this, right?

    I find the lack of a 110 connector to be WAY MORE of a hassle than the 710. Why not just rip the hell out of FAIR OAKS and build a connector there. Oh, I know why. Because that is in PASADENA and would cause problems to the businesses and parade of Pasadena, instead of destroying the neighboring SOUTH PASADENA.

    PAY ATTENTION SIERRA MADRE, THIS IS HOW PASADENA SWALLOWS UP AND DESTROYS ITS "LITTLE BUDDY" TOWNS

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    2. So much misplaced anger. Plus the poster fell into the "your" vs. "you're" trap. Not so good.

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    3. To TB 2/21/13 6:50 a.m.

      No, the traffic is not so bad in Pasadena, but Metro would lead one to believe that if they could.

      The 710 Coalition is the fake grassroots group of two (Harry Baldwin and his daughter, Kendall Flint, who lives in Half Moon Bay, CA). They are lobbyists for the pro-710 folks.

      The cities of Pasadena, La Canada-Flintridge, Glendale, South Pasadena, and if I'm not mistaken, Sierra Madre, are forming a coalition of cities to collectively conduct their own study of the effects of this 710 tunnel boondoggle.

      I can see where the word "coalition" used for both is confusing. 710 Coalition is a formal name for the fake grassroots folks. The coalition of the affected foothill cities is the forming of a partnership in the study.

      In actuality, the 710 tunnel will impede the businesses of Pasadena, especially those in Old Town, and the parade route will be disrupted. We as Pasadena citizens opposing the 710 have no intention of throwing any of our neighboring cities under the bus (no pun intended). We are watching our elected council members closely and holding them to task.

      There will be a community forum regarding the tunnel issue in La Crescenta on Wednesday, Feb. 27, 7:00 p.m. to 9:00 p.m., Rosemont Middle School Cafeteria, 4725 Rosemont Ave., La Crescenta. This forum is structured to answer questions of those who are just becoming aware and want the facts. I would like to invite anyone in Sierra Madre who wishes to attend. This meeting is easy to find. It is not far from the 210.

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    4. How about San Marino, 11:55?

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    5. Really nice lawns. Pretty much it, though.

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    6. I belive San Marino threw in with Alhambra and supports the tunnel.

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    7. San Marino is all for the 710 expansion.

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    8. Moderator, is there a higher than usual amount of comment removals after TB makes a comment, or writes an article?

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    9. Maybe Wal*Mart should build one of their Superstores there. Just so the San Moriniacs understand what it is all about.

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    10. 2:19 - not so much anymore. Tony had some stalkers like Pusddad that traipsed over here from that godawful mess at Patch, but they have pretty much given up. The Tattler protects it's friends.

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    11. The City Council of San Marino is so old they think getting a date with Barbara Messina is cradle robbing.

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    12. San Marino doesn't support the 710 (there are several strong participants in the No on 710 group), but Antonovich supports the 710 and is using the City Council and the City Club to run his agenda over there. Same with Alhambra.

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    13. 2:19 john has been very kind to my self-esteem. he keeps that stuff from me, sort of like the guy in "the green mile" swallowed up all the bad juju.

      11:55 thank you for all of the helpful information and especially for reminding me that a city government does not necessarily represent the people of its city. sometimes i forget to seperate the wheat from the chaff. i am actually quite fond of pasadena, i have spent a lot oftime there throughout my entire life. the no on 710 thing runs very deep for me.

      and to all, apologies for the caps- i can't bold or italicize, so i have no other way to emphasize a point. it drives me nuts to use caps, but i have little choice outside of remaining silent, and that is not likely...

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    14. And let's discuss STEVE MADISON at some point, not only was he the only person to thank me publicly for my comment Tuesday (which I appreciate, regardless of how it seemed after volleying with the mayor) but has stood up for the people on the 710 and that the people have spoken, that is, that no questionnaire is needed (see below), but he was tossed under the bus for it. After reading a bit, the Rose Bowl fiasco and bad press now just looks like a punishment, doesn't it?

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  2. I wonder, does the 710 Coalition get money from foreign countries? Is there a way to find out?

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  3. Sierra Madre, So. Pasadena, La Canada and Glendale will be working with Pasadena

    http://www.pasadenasun.com/the626now/pasadena-0213-cities-work-on-710-coalition,0,1463867.story

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    1. Coalition between cities is code for redevelopment and expansion.

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    2. And the studies that the city coalition funds will back whatever the cities find is their best interest.
      The "real" coalition or the "fake"- it doesn't really matter because when there's people like Chris "Airport Commissioner" Holden, Terry Tornek, and other members of the Pasadena City Council supporting the expansion.

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    3. If the Pasadena City Council really wanted to oppose the 710, they could have formally opposed it already. Instead, they're going to do more studies. Why? Sounds kind of like Elizabeth Pomeroy's response to every question regarding how to deal with the achievement gap, program improvement for special ed, etc. Let's do some more research on it and see what they find....

      http://www.pasadenanow.com/main/opinion-three-of-my-colleagues-let-us-down-last-night

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    4. Pasadena is a corrupt mess. Look at what those idiots did to their once beautiful city.

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  4. Boycott 710 Coalition cities.

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    1. I would, but is there anything in Alhambra to boycott?

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    2. Don't go on a tour of Phil Spector's estate.

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    3. I can't afford the wigs in their gift shop.

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  5. Good info from past poster about the phrasing of questions to get Pre determined results. keep this in mind when those expensive consultants that Walsh,Moran, and Harabedian want to hire to run surveys on Public Safety and increased UUT rates. there will be nothing objective or non-biased I their questions. they are paid to get predetermined results.

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    1. Great point. They'll use our money for consultant polls designed to market the UUT hike they want. City Hall needs raises and pensions, you know.

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  6. Remind me, what area of Highland was going to be used for low cost housing, oh, wait I just remembered. Wasn't it the church building across from the elementary school? Safety, congestion, school day traffic, but to make it sould better it was then Senior Housing. Well, that is just up a couple of blocks from the ALF. You can just bet that that idea is still on the back burner.

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    1. I don't recall it was ever promoted as senior housing. It was supposed to be low to mod housing, 'for teachers and firefighters'.

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    2. Johnny B's Bunk House.

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  7. This is kind of an outrage-off. Push polling is a craven activity, and then paying for it with the public's dime is a complete abuse of funds.

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    1. Wouldn't it be something if Harry Baldwin's 710 Coalition sockpuppet whatever was receiving its money from the Communist Chinese? Wouldn't that make this push poll espionage?

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  8. It is amazing that San Rafael School can not be used in the future because it was built over an earthquake fault, but the can build a 5 mile tunnel over one.

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    1. Also interesting that San Rafael has survived numerous earthquakes over the years.

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  9. What is so annoying about all this is all the time it takes to mount a deflecting response when the citizen goes to work each day and then has to come home to a community fight... it never ends. The opposition is in their work cube getting paid to wage war against us.

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    1. Yes! Paid with our money to destroy our cities. This is no democracy.

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    2. Yes, it's not a fair fight and citizen activists get tired.

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    3. Why is Metro building a tunnel for cars and trucks? They take a vacation from being green?

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  10. ... the idea of more streets, more freeways--where? You get to bulldoze more neighborhoods, then the little bitty amound of land left over you have to go vertical, see we told ya it won't fit anyway else. Or else you push the housing father out, scrape the desert, but wait, cost of gas is prohibitive, then who is on these expanded roads and freeways bringing you trash trinkets in containers that then has to go into the landfill. Truck it there straighaway. The 10 Freeway already destroyed neighborhoods in the 1950's keep the trucks there. No need for the 710 Tunnel. Turn east at the 10.

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  11. I find it entertaining that these cities are attempting to form this secret coalition which is funded by our tax dollars and is headed by a consultant who lives far away and will not be affected by the impacts of this proposed project.

    The consultant is based out of half moon bay, a sleepy little coastal town just south of San Francisco.....a town of about 11,000 with a strong sense of community and little in the way of big development.

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    1. Great. Kind of like drone warfare. Push poller in Idaho, and couple of overpaid nitwits in Half Moon Bay, all financed by money that could be coming from anywhere. And probably is. Yeah, some resident coalition.

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  12. There is no question! Put containers on rail platforms @ Long Beach & San Pedro and take them to Barstow and rejoin them with Cabs for their trips to wherever. Think of the congestion reversed and minimized right here and right now...really brilliant!

    I'd like to "Push poll" this one. Do you want to know the effect of commercial traffic on the 210 routed by the 710 Tunnel connection? Just travel the 10 and 60 East and pay attention to the kinds of development and zoning that have taken place on each side, because its comercialization and relience on truck traffic. From Pasadena to the 215 @ San Bernadino, towns like Pasadena will deteriorate into warehouses, manufacturing, and weak zoning. Because of its delayed construction East, the 210 has remained a freeway serving bedroom communities (almosst 50 miles of them) and it would be short sighted and a tradgety to undo this because of a Tunnel Project.

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    1. This is all about kissing the fannies of the Asian country that lends us the money needed to keep Uncle Sugar propped up. They want to put goods on trucks because it is the quickest way to get their cheap crap into Wal*Marts. They don't want to hear from trains, or air quality, or warehouse sprawl. And Washington and Sacramento can't jump high enough for them. Welcome to America's 2nd class future. Brought to you by Metro.

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  13. There may be no "lower form of government" than that by Local, State, and National bureaucrats willing to sell themselves and their constituents out, in concert with "big buck special interests".... for short term cash and self indulgence. It is unfortunate Shakespeare is deceased. What fun he would have had here in murkey LA.

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    1. The LA political machine rewards politicians who screw the people that elected them. They call it leadership.

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  14. And now for something completely different. Walking Fido on the Carter/Stonegate property, and a sign for a house has gone up: 610 Baldwin Court, 3,700+ square feet, PC hearing March 7th. But the sign is posted up on the property a ways, so there's a chance the neighbors haven't even seen it.

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    1. So now we'll get to see the other shoe drop. Will anyone really build in the Triangle O'Death? Will the design guidelines make a difference? And who owns Carter and Stonehouse?

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    2. It seems kind of cowardly of the city to put the sign up on the development instead of on the street. But the people who live around the site will be getting postcards.I think.

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  15. Ah, the gift of the notorious council of 2004. Dead land for the sake of McMansions.

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    1. It'll never get built. The children of the property owners will have their parents committed.

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    2. It will be a very big house on a very small lot. Or perhaps some of the lot is vertical, and it's just a small building pad.

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  16. www.youtube.com/watch?v=84zIj_EdQdM

    You have got to watch this Canadian presentation on Tar Sands and Keystone pipeline. Join the fight against this!

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  17. I am in question concerning this posting "It is amazing that San Rafael School can not be used in the future because it was built over an earthquake fault, but the can build a 5 mile tunnel over one."

    Has the poster questioned CALTECH and USGS both of which are across the street from one another on this "fault" matter?

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    1. Sure, everybody wants to build a $16 billion dollar tunnel in an active earthquake zone. Why not?

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    1. It's like ..... Bart Op Art! Wow, man. Trippy.

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    2. it's the space invaders bart app

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    3. you shoot rays at them, but them just keep moving toward you

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    4. Close your eyes! Close your eyes! It's ... Bart Mind Control!!

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    5. quick! someone drill a tunnel through it1

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    6. Medic! I thnk I'm having a Bart attack! Grab my nitroglycerin!

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    7. Maybe someone is having a mental breakdown? Should we call the paramedics?

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    8. Some sort of psychotic reaction ...

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  19. Once again - you post without checking your facts. As I have said prevously, if you have a question - please ask before posting inaccurate information. The 710 Coalition has nothing to do with the polling currenrly being conducted in the San Gabriel Valley though we are very interested in the results. The company you cite is a call center, likely hired by a polling agency representing a client.

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    1. It was a question. You can tell by the use of the question mark. And yes, I am certain you are interested in the results. Pray, Ms. Flint, how does one find out the results when you are not the one funding the push poll?

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  20. First it was a statement - "I have no doubt that this is a product of the 710 Coalition" - and you didn't even bother to call or email. As I have told your previously, I will not lie to you. Now second question - the firm you identified is a call center and not the orginator of the poll itself. Most polls are actually written by others and then subbed out to centers in Idaho and Utah because for some reason, people who live there have voices that sound local wherever they call to. I have used a number of reseach firms in the past for other efforts such as General Plan Updates - to get a clear idea of where the public wants to go. In those cases, we always included info at the top of the call "Hi we're calling for such-and-such juristiction. When they don't give that info it usually means it's either a candidate testing the waters or a PAC of some sort. The reseach firms normally won't release the name of the agency or enterprise until after the poll is completed. Godbe Research conducted the polls done in the 90s and 2000's - so my plan is to ask those who I know may have been tapped for the effort and see if I can find out. If/when I do - I will let you know.

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    1. It still is. My words are in itallics. The portion you are discussing came from an e-mail blast sent out by people opposed to the 710 Tunnel. Those words are not mine. In the article I used that as an opportunity to discuss Mtn West, a topic I am familiar with. The subtle nuances of their operation might be as you say, but from my perspective they always come down on the side of people who wish to personally profit from the destruction of our little slice of California paradise. I suspect you would feel the same if such things were being plotted for Half Moon Bay.

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