Friday, May 17, 2013

Mayor Nancy Walsh Cut Fay Angus Off Before Her Three Minutes At Public Comment Were Up

Decorum challenged?
In what apparently could become the rule in Sierra Madre during the upcoming year long reign of Mayor Nancy Walsh, heavy handedness and the refusal to listen to opinions that she herself does not share in was clearly on display at Tuesday's City Council meeting. Intolerance, and not inclusiveness, was the order of the evening. With outright censorship just a few short steps away.

As those who witnessed Tuesday evening's inadequately run City Council meeting can attest, Nancy Walsh clearly cut off Fay Angus during public comment. The claim the Mayor made at that time was Fay had gone over her allotted three minutes of time and therefore had lost her right to speak any longer than she already had. What was not understood at that moment was Walsh's timing was wrong.

Concerned residents have now gone back to the videotape, reviewed the Mayor's unfortunate behavior and, using a stopwatch, timed Fay's talk. Nancy Walsh began cutting Ms. Angus off at 2 minutes and 45 seconds into her message, a full 15 seconds before the three minute time limit had been reached. Perhaps the Mayor had left her watch at home? Or it could have been because the Josh Moran installed three minute clock was not working again?

Whatever the case may be, Mayor Walsh apparently was unaware of how much time had actually elapsed, or that by her actions she was denying Fay Angus the lawful and guaranteed right to speak freely during public comment at Sierra Madre City Council meetings. After all, we are not living in North Korea. Here residents are allowed to speak their minds, and honored for taking the time to do so.

Of course, it didn't really have all that much to do with the mechanical failure of City Hall's timing devices. And had she been allowed to do so, Fay would have completed her statement in under the three minutes allotted for public comment. It was just that Mayor Walsh did not like what Sierra Madre's foremost published author, and an internationally celebrated public speaker as well, was saying last Tuesday evening. And Nancy apparently decided instead to arbitrarily deprive someone whose words she didn't want to hear the proper right to finish their statement.

In case you weren't around to catch it, here is what Mayor Walsh was attempting to prevent Fay Angus from saying:

I would like to compliment and express my appreciation to Council members Chris Koerber and John Cappocia for maintaining the dignity of their office and their diplomatic and civil response to the deplorable rudeness exhibited by John Harabedian at the last council meeting. Koerber and Capoccia are in every sense of the word, gentlemen.

In a discussion regarding the appointment of a Mayor Pro Tem, Harabedian was asked to clarify a point he had made. In a condescending way he prefaced his reply with words to the effect that he did not think he would have to break down his comments as though he were talking to children. Through the years we have had many children coming to city council meetings. They have conducted themselves well; some have spoken at the podium, others have taken notes of the proceedings as part of a civics class. 

In all those years I have never heard city staff or council members "talking down" to children, or expressing the need to "break down" their comments for the children. I commend the children who come to council meetings, I appreciate what they have to say and thank them for their participation, we need to accord them the same respect as anyone else in attendance.

At the last election Chris Koerber received more votes than did John Harabedian. Under city protocol, the person with the most votes is the one who takes the position of Mayor Pro Tem. In a contrived misinterpretation of this protocol Harabedian told Mr. Koerber that his vote was from a special election to fill the seat vacated by Joe Mosca. He went as far as to say, "you are Joe Mosca." Mr. Koerber immediately replied, "I am NOT Joe Mosca." 

We do not have levels of priority in our elections. In other words a four year term does not take precedence over a two year term, or a one year term for that matter. We recognize council members and their vote equally, regardless of the term they occupy. There are many in the community who believe that Mr. Harabedian has usurped the position of Mayor Pro Tem.

Mr. Harabedian stated that Mr. Koerber was involved in a "power grab." A terrible accusation and one that boomerangs back at Mr. Harabedian. Very rudely he also referred to the comments of Mr. Koerber as "petty." Rude, very rude! Comments from council members (as well as those from city staff) are never petty. They are significant and should be respected as such.

Our City Council chamber is a place for discussion of city business; for airing of diverse perspectives; for public comment; for recognition of a job well done and our heros such as John Shear, announcements of special events, etc. Humor is always welcome as well, we've had many a good laugh. But our City Council is not the place for rudeness. Please remember that, Mr. Harabedian.

To which Fay Angus then added, after repeated and ethically inappropriate attempts by Nancy to silence her, "and Mayor Walsh would do well to remember that as well!"

As an aside, the 3 minute rule, as it were, needs to be handled with a bit more sophistication than either Mayor Walsh or former Mayor Moran have shown. It isn't supposed to be used as a club to crudely beat down speakers who have differing opinions. As an example, at Presidential debates candidates are permitted to finish their thoughts even after they have exceeded their time limit. The recognition being that the speaker's point of view is more important than anything being said by a clock. It is a part of showing people respect, and behaving civilly.

I attended this meeting and got to witness much of what was going on during Fay's talk. John Harabedian sat there with what was really quite an incredible scowl on his face. He is most definitely a scowler, and apparently believes that when doing so he is displaying a kind of stern and measured displeasure with the person he is so intently focused upon. Which, of course, isn't at all true. He is just scowling.

Nancy Walsh, on the other hand, did not make eye contact with Fay, even when attempting to silence her. Rather her eyes rolled back into their sockets in a Valley Girl sort of way, and then when she felt the urge to speak focused upon something at the back of the room.

Later in the evening during a break Mayor Pro Tem* Harabedian could be seen ordering Bruce Inman around as the two attempted to repair the broken three minute public comment clock. Bruce clearly assumed a subservient role. He scurried about as Harabedian pointed his finger at the various things offending him. It was only after the meeting had finally wrapped up that the timer finally began working again.

What I took away from that small comedy is the Mayor Pro Tem* plans to be a bit of a stickler on the three minute rule going forward. I guess he fears that the kind of withering criticism he took last Tuesday evening from Fay might become a fairly regular thing, and he wants to make certain that the public comment timer is going to be around to help him.

It is clearly going to be quite a year.

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62 comments:

  1. The community put them in the community can take them out. Walsh is a sick mean person who has no tolerance for anything but her own interests. I feel sorry for the city of Sierra Madre. Walsh is a disgrace to herself and for sure to the city. She has demonstrated she is prepared to wreck the city because she can't listen to constructive criticism. She is the dirt of the city.

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    1. She has always been a mean spirited person. This is very well known.
      I know people who have worked with her in the past on committees and they all have reported that she has always been like this.
      This is the reason Bart Doyle "chose" her for his corrupt dirt City Council.
      I totally agree with your description of this horrible woman, 6:45 AM.

      Someone asked me the other day, a recent Tattler reader, "what is a "dirt"?
      A DIRT is the term that this Bart Doyle crowd was called, because of the old Beth Buck/Jim Snider websites-Downtown Dirt and Cumquat.
      These were evil websites where several Doyle gangsters posted lies about the decent pro-slow growth group, the true preservationists of Sierra Madre.
      These "DIRTS" slandered, ridiculed and defamed many decent residents, Fay Angus was one of their favorite targets.
      This is why we call them DIRTS....they are just that.

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  2. frankly, I am surprised that Harabedian hasn't nodded off in a council meeting, a la Renatta Cooper. He is constantly yawning and at the last meeting a lot of his comments (I probably think, I think I think...) seemed to come from someone in a semi-somnambulant state. And of course, he was not at all prepared for any of the discussions. Maybe as The mayor pro tem* moves up the election ladder he will receive a pillow upon which to rest his weary head as he makes decisions that spend all our money.

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    1. Maybe the lack of proper sleep is making Johnny grumpy.

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  3. Please remind the mayor of Sierra Madre is in violation of the California Brown Act and First Amendment violation, take your pick.

    One of Alhambra's finest sitting behind the dais also was charged with both violations, she backed down an issued an apology to the public and resident she shut down at the podium.

    She of course has been a good council person since then, I would be supportive in amending the Brown Act law to put some teeth into it. Such as $1000.00 fine for each violation committed by an elected official.

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    1. We have a City Attorney who protects her favorites on the council from any possible consequences from their constant violations of the Brown Act. Were you to go to public comment a week from next Tuesday and challenge her on this matter, this City Atty would inform you that your opinion is incorrect. It is a bad situation in Sierra Madre.

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    2. Nasty Nancy should get a $1000 fine!

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  4. like a spoiled child, he is grumpy cause he didn't get his way!

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    1. Huh? Who didn't get his way? The power grabber who usurped the mayor pro tem job got his way.
      PG Harabedian.

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  5. No one in recent political memory received as many negative remarks from residents as did Joe Mosca, and for a long time he was blustery and inappropriate and, well, you know, Joe.
    Then someone clued him in, and he answered everyone with a loud, sunny "Thank you!", surely in hopes that those words would take care of it.
    Walsh has already got that move-it-along style. Not with 'Thank you" though - more with "Okay, now, anyone else?"

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  6. The Mayor and Mayor Pro Tem* are the Thin Skin Twins.

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  7. Things like voter rights, freedom of speech, the Brown Act and transparency are not what Nancy Walsh and MPT* Johnny Process care about right now. What does concern them is getting more of your money. Just don't go sassing them about it.

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  8. Dancin' Nancy and the MPT* have a bad case of power-itis. It seems to me the money isn't so much the issue as is "do it because I said so". Neither likes to have their judgement questioned and will go to extreme lengths to impose their version of "right" on the residents of Sierra Madre.

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  9. From grumpy power grabbing Harabedian's perspective, what a drag this council thing must be. It's just a step he has to take, paying his dues, to get into politics. That's why there was that war chest to get elected - such an inappropriate amount of money for such a small place - but there are bigger goals ahead.
    Poor guy must be bored stiff. And he has to occasionally listen to people who don't think he's all that.

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    1. He does exhibit a lot of impatience with the residents.

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  10. I wish I would have been in the audience at this meeting.
    When Nasty Nancy said, "alright, anyone else" I would have gone up to the podium and turned to the audience and asked "did anyone here vote for this woman, Walsh" If you did you should really be ashamed. Please don't do it again. Thank you.

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  11. My mother used to say that you catch more bees with honey than you do with vinegar. Nancy is all vinegar, and the bees are fleeing for the forest.

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  12. Harabedian, for all of his name brand education, is still the spawn of the trash industry. It shows.

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    1. Good point. 8:32

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    2. Perhaps Johnny got the same kind of Ivy League "gentleman's education" at Princeton that George W. Bush got a Yale? Show up, pay your bills, and take your "C."

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    3. Same as John Kerry, too. His grade point was lower that Bush's.

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    4. Now there was a race to the bottom ...

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    5. Animal House college experience, with money.

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  13. Let us know when you're planning on attending a Council Meeting! I'll throw in a sawbuck to the charity of your choosing just to see that on SM3TV!

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  14. ...and just when you thought it couldn't get any worse!

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  15. Maybe jonny process could enlighten us on the process yesterday at the Planning Commission meeting when the pc was asked to vote on a project where city staff had already told builder to build before it was okayed?

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    1. Have we become NORTH KOREA so soon!

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    2. Maybe it isn't really the process. Maybe it is just an oafish dictatorship.

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    3. proc·ess

      Verb
      2.Walk or march in procession...

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  16. If Nancy Walsh gets fined $1000 for violating the Brown Act?
    Watch her dear friend Harriet Susan Henderson will get the downtown dirt sob sisters to have a "fundraiser" for her. They did this for the fugitive Joe Mosca when some angry residents tried to recall him for being a plant by Bart and a liar.
    These low/no information voters in town will again support this awful Nancy Walsh.
    They will make her the "victim". The competition for "victimism" is ferocious here in Sierra Madre, with these dirtbag types.

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  17. The "NO LOWs may reconsider when their pockets books become lighter as the result of the city's stellar mismanagement and corruption!

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    1. I hope so, these stupid people who voted for these bad people have hurt all of us, they have damaged Sierra Madre.

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  18. Someone has to report this infraction to the Fair Political Practices board and you have to have proof. So, let's get it done. I know that Bart Doyle had a $5000 fine for voting on something that he directly benefited from. I don't know if we have ever proven violaitons of the Brown Act. It seems we do now!

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  19. You have to have enough outrage and repeated violations. One 15 second shortfall on a speaker may not be enough!

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  20. sort of ironic

    a Councilmember who has never had anything of substance or importance to say, contribute or discuss is controlling the speech of others

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  21. I recall Joe Mosca telling a senior citizen to "get a life"

    and now we have Walsh doing basically the same

    Harabuchanan - I just hope he's one term and done - a complete waste of time

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    1. Did this Harabedian creep ever apologize to Chris Koerber for calling him "joe mosca"?
      That was a real insult. I don't consider Harabedian, creep he is, to be as bad as Mosca.

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    2. You're right about that. Mosca was beyond bad. Didn't convicted child pornographer have a big campaign kick off party for Mosca?
      Yes, he did.
      Why did Matt and Joe flee the country?
      No, Harabedian is not as bad as Mosca, even Bart is not as bad as Mosca.

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    3. Give MPT* Harabedian time. I bet he can do worse than Mosca.

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  22. I was going to make a comment about how it's the council members who need to follow the three minute rule, and then realized - it's was much better without Moran there, and in general, it's been way better since the never-ending monologist Buchanan left. Walsh hardly ever has anything to say, Harabedian throws out his self promoting two cents now and then, both Koerber and Capoccia are people who only speak when they actually have something to say, and with Moran gone, the council did not drown in verbosity.

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  23. A few days ago I spoke with residents around the corner from Bob Matheson who says he is still seen at his place when they are out walking the dog. They remember that Matheson came to their front door with Joe to help him canvass the neighborhood. They did not recall that the big kickoff party for Joe was held at Matheson's house on Lilliano but I do. The boob who wrote up the invitation did not even spell the name of the street correctly.

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  24. With Josh gone, too bad that the opportunity to vote down several items on the agenda that are going to pinch your wallet and mine was missed: 2 yes, 2 no votes equals a no. Have to reagendize. Let the public have a little more time to get important information. Keeping us in the dark is what this city government is all about. If that were expected then Josh could have participated via conference call. Whatever his location, it is announced so if you were nearby that location you could sally on up and join the City Council meeting. So, what about that? Question comes to mind that no one was worrying about items not passing. What gives?

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    1. Nancy and Johnny missed Josh. Without him there to fill the air with noise they were quite naked. It became painfully obvious that neither of them had anything going on.

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    2. Josh missing a meeting may be an indication of his future committment?

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    3. I hear he's done with this. Needs to make more money now that the kid is on the way.

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  25. The Process:
    1) We want more of your money in taxes, fees, rates, permits and penalties.
    2) You have 3 minutes to comment. Unless we don't like what you're saying. Then we'll cut you off.

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  26. I disagree with what Walsh and The Trashman want. I think they receive their marching orders from the Dark Lord's coven, that's their story, and they're sticking to it. There's nothing in it for either one of them with the exception of Harabedian's political career. The less effort those two invest the better off they are. Former Mayor Moron is slowly receding from view as is whatever impact he may have had on the town.

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    1. I understand he has moved from Sierra Madre..Is this correct?If he has moved,why does he continue to sit on the CC?

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    2. Incorrect. While he is selling the one house downtown, he has purchased another one in town. He does own another place however, located in Monrovia.

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  27. The repeated comments of being like or in North Korea are just stupid, those people should have to go there and live for a bit and then make the comment

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    1. It was a joke, starchy. Go take two beers and a cheeseburger and call us in the morning.

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  28. Maybe all the comments are jokes

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  29. The 501(c)(4) tax exemption was written for civic groups engaged in efforts to beautify a town, for example, or to build a stadium for a school, or to encourage interest in the arts - social-welfare effects that improve a community at large.

    Bad partisan politics should not be part of that picture but it has destroyed many a town since then with political war chests to keep power..

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  30. This whole blog is a joke, but why am i not laughing?

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    1. You're the punchline?

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    2. THE GOAT NEVER LAUGHS.

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    3. You're too stupid to get the satire, 4:49?

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    4. One of the unfortunate side effects of being a unicorn is it takes a rather thick skull to hold that horn in place.

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  31. This is not North Korea. It is America.
    Anyone ever hear of Joe McCarthy who told lie after lie after lie and ruined
    people's lives.
    Joe Mosca and Co and and Buchanan and Doyle are all
    Liars and they had fools believing their lies.
    Harabedian is the same liar as Joe and Nancy and all the rest.

    Now they want us to believe more of their lies and steal our money.

    They are all equally evil.

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