Tuesday, June 11, 2013

The Question Everybody Is Asking: What Are Your "Mandatory Water Conservation" Numbers?

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Unless you've spent the last week or so living beneath a rock somewhere deep inside the Angeles National Forest, you are quite aware of the letter the City of Sierra Madre sent out on the riveting topic of "Mandatory Water Conservation." We all got one of them, and quite a few people are very unhappy about what they've read there.

For many residents The Letter (as I've taken to calling it) doesn't just dictate how much of your daily water usage absolutely must be curtailed, but it is also a demand that they change the way they live their lives. And have for most of their adult years. Not something you would normally expect to find in a letter from the Water Department.

So what I thought we'd do today is invite you,  our fellow City of Sierra Madre water customer, to share the contents of your "Mandatory Water Conservation" notice with everyone here.

You can do this anonymously, of course. We here at The Tattler strongly support anonymous posting because what we actually want to know are your thoughts and ideas about whatever concerns we might happen to be discussing at the time. Or even those issues we're not talking about.

It is what truly matters here. We believe in putting your ideas above and beyond mere personalities. That plus it really upsets the critics of this blog, which is always an added enjoyment for me.

So in order to kick this thing off properly I thought that I should reveal to you what the City's letter dictated to the Crawford family. But first I need to share with you a little bit of annoying gardening information. I am a lousy gardener, and I feel about yard work pretty much the same way I feel about nausea. It is something I don't enjoy going through, though I will admit that I usually feel much better once it is over.

I have owned four homes in my life, and I have never once grown a decent lawn. I just look at the stuff and it dies. So a little less than a year ago my wife Lorrie and I made the bold decision to tear the treacherous green menace out of our front yard and replace it with something called California Native Plants. It was a new concept to me. Growing up in New Jersey I was never made aware of native New Jersey plants, but maybe that is because they are all weeds and nobody likes them. I think dandelions are native there. And skunk cabbage, which I enjoyed playing with as a child.

On the advice of friends we went to a place in Sun Valley called the Theodore Paine Society, which specializes in nothing but "natives." And a large percentage of these native California plants are drought resistant, which I soon discovered means they do not require very much water. Many of them are subtle looking things, and don't really jump right out at you in quite the same way a few trays of daffodils or geraniums might.

I decided that this must mean they are horticulturally sophisticated, and when I asked the people who work there about my impression they agreed. These folks showed us quite a lot of greenery, and patiently explained the virtues of each of these hardy plants. They are a little bit fanatical about this stuff actually, so I of course immediately liked them. Obscure causes lived out by idiosyncratic individuals for no apparent or truly meaningful purpose has always appealed to me. Life is an improvisation, whether you believe in God or not. Which I do. But you should go wild anyway.

We dropped a couple of hundred bucks on about 20 of these odd looking plants, drove them home in our windstorm battered Saturn Vue, and then quickly stuck them into the ground. Most lived. I am still amazed and delighted.

I've digressed radically. The upshot of all of this errata is we don't water anymore. At least we haven't in the last year, and probably won't ever again. These California native plants (and the weeds that look a lot like them, at least to me) continue to grow without the least bit of care from me. And while our front yard does look a little bit otherworldly, for the first time in my life I am proud of my gardening. These are my kind of plants.

So what are our "mandatory water conservation" numbers? They're apparently very low. Since we've stopped pouring tap water out onto our uncooperative yard, usage of the stuff has gone way down. And since we did all this around 10 months ago, the timing couldn't have been better for us as far as the city's shenanigans go.

Here is how it was put to us in our version of "The Letter" - Your base year average bi-monthly consumption is 14. This results in your conservation target of 13. For comparison purposes only, your bi-monthly consumption according to the most recent billing was 11.

The less money I send to this City, the better I feel. Have I ever told you what City Hall would be without our money? Just another small group of people with opinions. That is my goal.

So I have now confessed all. What are your numbers, and how do you think you got there?

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169 comments:

  1. we are empty nesters with a lawn. Our number is 25.

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  2. 3 adults, no lawn, reduced outside watering in winter so our last two cycles were 8 and 10. Our average for the target year minus 20% gives us 24 units. We were over watering for erosion control of a hillside during the target year and will have to dial back on that this summer.

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  3. Mod, I've never lived in New Jersey, but I know from the excellent work of Tom Brown and his wilderness survival guides that it is 80% forests - far more than dandelion patches!

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    1. I've always been told it is the most densely populated state in the country. Small and with a lot of people. There are some places up in Sussex County, and down along the Delaware River on the west that might qualify. There are also what are known as the Pine Barrens. I don't know though. It isn't my impression, but then maybe I wasn't looking at it that way back then.

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  4. 3 adults, no lawn, no in-ground plantings, occasional watering of about a dozen small pots, no dish washer, 3 to 4 loads of laundry weekly, 7 - 10 showers and 2 baths weekly. Our number is 14. Actually, with no changes in habits or usage, last month's water consumption was 2 x the consumption of a year ago. We've now asked twice for an explanation and none is forthcoming.

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  5. We have a garden and a lawn.......and 5 family members who shower daily. No special toilets or shower heads. We do have a drip system for our garden and both our dishwasher and washing machine conserve water (and don't really wash well)- but we use them both once a week (3 loads of laundry). We never wash our cars. Our base was 51 so we're getting charged up the $#&%$$#. I threw the letter out I was so mad.

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    1. I'm 7:58 and the feeling I'm getting is that it's having a lawn and garden that is getting us into the high water usage issue. Is it taken into consideration how many people are in your household?

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    2. I do not think city hall has thought in terms of the number of inhabitants.
      Watch out for the One Child Policy!!!

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    3. I replaced my l lawn 15 years ago , house 2,ooo sq ft and 4 adults
      base average 24 last bill use 14

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  6. Lawns, gardens are now forbidden!
    Nice uptake in business for theTheodore Paine Society!

    Just a couple of hundred does it?
    I've been hesitating to make the switch because of the cost - and the fact that I've grown my lawn with a lot of effort.

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    1. Depends how much space you are going to plant. Our yard not including hillsides is over 5,000 sq feet. 20 plants would not cover much area.

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  7. Any responsible citizen who was already taking measures to avoid wasting water is now peanlized by the townclowns. These pompous asses are starting to get on my nerves.

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  8. How does the fire hazard of dried plants and lawns work into the city's plans?

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    1. Good point 8:25. I suppose we need to have dirt patches to match the SM Middle school.

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    2. Water to keep hillsides green to avoid erosion and fire hazard-----we are fined by the city.
      Let the hillsides die and we are fined by the city for a fire hazard..

      Add water to the pool so the filter can run----we are fined by the city.
      Let the water line drop so the pool becomes a health hazard and we are sited by the health department.

      Are these fines even legal?

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  9. What do the apartment houses and condos do?

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    1. the tenants all take a _hit! just like the home owners...

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    2. Sounds like a Twilight Zone episode - cuz how can you know which neighbors are trying, and which neighbors are not?

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  10. I'm thinking of installing an AstroTurf miniature golf course in my front yard. Very sustainable.

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    1. I understand that Astro Turf is not a good solution, 8:37.
      You need to water it as much as grass, or it cracks and dries.
      Check this out with experts, but this is what I was told by a lady who knows.

      Everyone please DEMAND a moratorium on all building until our water levels are normal again! Tonight, City Hall 7:00 pm. Be there and speak out or don't complain.

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    2. I am considering having my yard painted with a green dye. Many people have done this in other areas when there was a water shortage.

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    3. I know the racetracks do this green dye, they use it on their turf courses in warm weather. They have been doing it for decades. I used to watch them do it at Hollywood Park...the spray trucks would go over the grass spraying green food coloring.

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    4. I think I would like to paint my yard red. Or maybe a two tone mix.

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  11. 7:51 & 7:54 Having been there the dandelions grow between the trees, makes for some beautiful pictures. In some places the trees are so thick that you can not run through the forest.

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  12. The wife and I have a big yard and three kids. we are fussy, so we keep the yard immaculate and green. this helps fight global warming by sucking vast amounts of CO2 out of the atmosphere. because we are fussy we keep our cars clean. i wash them myself as i enjoy work. we are, if i may be so modest, immaculately groomed. every last one of us. we really have no interest in living like hillbilly hippies. also john, i have seen your yard. let's just say it's not a good advert for native landscaping.

    now for the nasty details. our 20% reduction drops us to 41 units. in winter we used about 34 units a month. so while the aquafir is being replenished we need not conserve at all. unfortunatley, in the summer months we used up to 90 units. i have already taken steps such as acting like a lazy ass and going to the car wash. and by cutting watering down to 1 day a week. and by limiting bowell movements to every third day. still, there is no way on God's heretofore green earth that we can cut our usage by over 50%.

    there is only one solution: A RECALL. to make this possible i will spare chris koerber (though he is complicit in this) solely so that his lovely spouse can aid in the process.

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    1. I hope you speak at public comment.

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    2. Don't think you can recall an elected official in the last year of their term. That would leave you the Mayor Pro Tem* and Capoccia.

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    3. Walsh and Moran need to be dumped in the April 2014 election. Things have never been as bad as they are now, and it all happened on their watch. Personally I think the only hope this city has is Capoccia and Koerber. Can you imagine if all we had on the council were Walsh, Moran and Johnny Me First? Might as well just turn out the lights and leave town.

      At least they're adults.

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  13. Your lawn is a negligible carbon sequester, better... big trees, several species top the list. Native plantings are going to look dried out and weary in the hot summer months by nature's design. Having a landscape that looks like Hawaii or the NW coast takes more water than we have at the moment.

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  14. How will condo association fees and management companies approach this? Most include water in the monthly fees and residents have no idea what their water bill/usage really is.

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  15. Mod - Sorry to be totally off-topic, but are you or tb going to post about tonight's PUSD vote on the middle school? If there were ever a day to mobilize the troops, today is it. Thanks.

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    1. Tony posted a great article about this on Saturday.

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    2. Yes, that was awesome, but now it's buried deep on the blog. Just suggesting getting a reminder bumped up to the top of the page so people see it today.

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    3. there are several people who will attend the meeting and report back ASAP.

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    4. Just trying to drum up interest before the event. If you care about this school being built, attend the PUSD board meeting. Public comment at 6:30. Vote to follow.

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    5. The demand for citizen participation is constant and necessary. But you have to pick your battles, or you will never do anything but battle.

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  16. The thing that's clearest to me is that we need to conserve, and this plan is not the way to do it.
    Junk this ridiculous average with no regard for who lives where, and come up with something else.

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    1. The driving force here is money. This gets the city more revenue during the hot months. When the winter rolls around the new water rate increases will be in place to take up the slack.

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  17. The real problem is:
    1. The water hogs who consume over 20 units per capita regardless of season. According to Inman there are many and they have suddenly(last few months) started this behavior(Implausible!).Why weren't they warned or fined before we reached crisis stage??

    2.Non native trees like Ash ,Elm, Willow - giving them endless water so they overgrow. Trees are just giant ,natural water pumpers. They drain the aquifer by sucking up the water and it is used/transpires from the leaves.A large tree may consume 50-100 gallons per day.This is very useful if you want to drain a swamp with Willows but.......

    3.The leaking water mains -that are repaired with brittle ductile iron instead of flexible HDPE.

    4.We can't trust the Water Dept to tell us the truth.

    5.Grass - so stop over-watering the City parks!

    Solutions?
    The artificial grass works well.A neighbor installed it a year ago and it still looks great.
    Eliminate permit fees(but require Inspection) for Grey Water irrigation.This helps restore the aquifer.
    Identify and encourage immediate removal of non-native or water hog trees. Replace with more water-wise choices.

    Lets be about solutions, not just complaining?
    All the usual low-flow/drip/short flush irrigation/appliance ideas.

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    1. Artificial grass costs more than carpet. Great idea for mini yards.

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    2. Stop overwatering the city parks?
      I fully expect all of the city lawns to die. And fast. Or else the city owes me a lawn.

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    3. Beach sand would be nice. Bring an umbrella, a blanket, the kids and some tanning butter.

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  18. Kids will need many more baths after playing in the dirt yards.
    Floors will require more mopping because of the dirt that will be tracked into the house.
    Gardeners will loose their jobs.
    Property values will drop.
    But new houses will be allowed.

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  19. Nice to know I am about to finance a new building boom in my town.Forget the "village" and think Uber Urban.Nice job!!!Thanks.

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    1. The water is being saved for the people who will put the most money in the city's pockets. Developers.

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    2. Yes! This is so true, and so WRONG!

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    3. Tell that to the suckers who have been voting for the Development goons over the years.You reap what you sow! Suckers!!!

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    4. If you voted for Joe Mosca, John Buchanan, Nancy Walsh, Josh Moran or John Harabedian, you really need to pay your water fines twice. Once for use, and once for being the kind of idiot that votes against their own interests.

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    5. 10:46

      Thanks, best post of the day!

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  20. Over 600 hits in the last three hours ..

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  21. And the Tattler goes over 1.6 milliom hits...

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    1. Nobody reads it. No, really!

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    2. Nobody goes to this blog site anymore because it's too crowded. Yogi Berra

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  22. Quite a number of yellowing patches in lawns across town. If you have been watering the cities parkway, that area between the curb and the side walk, STOP!

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  23. This approaches dry camping where you are very careful having carried all your water with you into the wilderness. Couldn't drink from the lakes or streams (giardia) so you boiled water, extra stove fuel needed, or you used purification tablets.

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  24. From a link to the City of Berkeley web site, www.ci.berkeley.ca.us/Planning/Energy_and_S...
    Energy &Sustainable Development, Home Graywater Collection Systems.
    ...end of third paragraph link to the following "Ch. 16A of the California Plumbing Code where I took the following couple of paragraphs:

    The emergency graywater regulations, which added Chapter 16A "Nonpotable
    Water Reuse Systems" into the 2007 California Plumbing Code, were approved
    by the California Building Standards Commission (CBSC) on July 30, 2009. The
    emergency regulations were subsequently filed with the Secretary of State on
    August 4, 2009, effective immediately upon filing.

    In compliance with the Administrative Procedure Act, HCD prepared a
    “Certificate of Compliance” confirming the completion of the rulemaking process,
    which included a 45-day public comment period, a subsequent 15-day comment
    period, a Final Statement of Reasons and the Final Express Terms.

    The "Certificate of Compliance", along with the Final Express Terms, was
    unanimously approved by the CBSC and filed with the Secretary of State on
    January 27, 2010. With the rulemaking action complete, Title 24, Part 5,
    Chapter 16A, Part I emergency regulations of the 2007 California Plumbing Code
    were made permanent.

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  25. We have 4 people, a dog, and a koi pond. Grass for the kids to play on in front and back. Almost no other water needing landscaping anywhere else. Itty bitty (about 4sq feet) garden. Grass is watered minimally, we have a dishwasher and HE front loading washer, about 7 loads of laundry per week. 1 shower and 1 group bath per day. We also cloth diaper (gasp, because the idea of throwing thousands of pounds of poopy diapers in a landfill makes me sick). Our number is 28.

    We have decided to let the dog lick the plates instead of rinsing them. No flushing pee. Shorter showers, less water in the baths. Shortened duration and number of days for all sprinklers (again).

    Seriously though, the city pisses me off. City parks should have all watering halted. All parkways should no longer be watered. No new water meter permits should be issued. All construction, even if approved, should be immediately halted. Close the city pool. Let all those bump outs dry out and die. There should be no green grass in front of any city buildings, especially City Hall. The water conservation measures are extreme and draconian. Threatening citizens with flow restrictors if they are over their allotted number? Beyond insane. How about some common sense. Lets see support and encouragement for people who are trying and get their numbers down significantly, even if they don't get them all the way down. Take into consideration the billing period for the same time last year.

    And for God's sake, I say it again, NO NEW WATER METER INSTALLATIONS IN THIS TOWN WHILE WATER RESTRICTIONS ARE IN PLACE. PERIOD!!!!!!!!!

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    1. Bump outs are perfect for cactus. The city has been pushing drought tolerant plants for years. Where are their drought tolerant plants?

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    2. Beyond Insane. You're right, 1:14pm. A town with a serious water shortage shouldn't be building anything. And, the whole 'Mandatory' thing is a bit too dictator-ish for me. What happened to 'consent of the governed'? The post describing the City's declaration of war on the residents is exactly on point. Seriously, can't we declare an emergency and suspend the City Manager and Council? Our 'Bell' is ringing off the hook.

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    3. Cactus is not the only plant that is drought tolerant. The bow outs are close to draught tolerant. There are plans to replace City Hall lawn with drought tolerant. Want to help? Looking for volunteers. I can't say I'm for not watering the park lawns. There has to be a limit somewhere. And where are our kids going to play? I say keep the parks green. It is not going to kill us to be more tolerant ourselves for the time being. Whining is not going to give us any more water, and nowadays, people just don't seem to follow rules unless there are fines attached.

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    4. Sure, pal.

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    5. Sorry 5:04. With the big development push, the hypocrisy of water conservation simply reeks too much.

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  26. We're on a lot with three townhouses, and our conservation target number for all three is 39. Since we have a baby on the way (and already have a toddler) I've been considering attending tonight's meeting simply to apologize profusely for failing to use contraception in anticipation of Sierra Madre's diminishing water supply, and to leave a blank check with them to spare the extra step.

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  27. "TRUST" that went out the window when police were arresting long time politician's in near by cities. Knowing all to well these crooks were reading from the same play book and making strange noises when it came to answering simple questions, like "where did the money go."?

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  28. http://www.naturalnews.com/040724_water_shortage_crisis_irrigation.html

    some of the tattler readers may be interested in this site

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  29. If we have a water crisis, if the residents must curtail usage, give up their lawns and gardens, and otherwise be mightily inconvenienced by the City's water mismanagement, then WHY are we still selling water to Arcadia? When the populace is down to rationed drinking/toileting water will we still be sending our precious resource nto Arcadia's reservoir?

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  30. Can't tap into the MWD pipe on Grandview if we don't have an emergency, now can we? If the city isn't in the midst of a manufactured emergency, what could this possibly be called?

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  31. Interesting info at the Natural News link above, including this:

    "... a rapid rise in population growth is putting a strain on dwindling clean water supplies. In some regions, the available water cannot support the existing population."

    Since we're being told by 'city officials' that we live in one of those water-impaired regions, what is the logical and responsible thing to do? Add to our population? No! Sorry, wrong answer. The correct answer was: DO NOT add to our population. Moratorium on building, starting now. Just say 'Whoa!' (The other correct answer was: Clean up and remove sources of water pollution for your city. Start with City Officials.)

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  32. Why New Urbanism Doesn't Work:
    The latest trend in urban planning builds bureaucracy, not affordable living.


    http://reason.com/archives/2013/06/07/why-new-urbanism-doesnt-work

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  33. One really good reason for conserving water (and other utilities) is to reduce your UUT.

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    1. The best way to reduce your UUT is vote no on the do-over vote in April 2014.

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  34. How much is city hall cutting back? What's the number for all city properties?

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  35. Well, well. The room down here in the slough of despond is looking rather full. People seem to be concerned about something.

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  36. The city managers contract was discussed in closed session?
    Is she asking for a raise?

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    1. She is up for a bonus for her good work on fining residents for water use. I think she got a medal, too. The Croix de Bart.

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    2. Room is SRO. No air conditioning.

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    3. I always feel sorry for new participants. They rarely know what a dog and pony show they have to sit through.

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    4. Hah 6:48, I feel sorry for people like the Edison speaker.
      They are just slugging out an unpleasant task in their job descriptions, and they are speaking to a group of people who won't hardly hear them.

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    5. Nancy didn't have the Wonger on the clock.

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  37. Johnny Process thought the school celebration was great.
    Hey, he wants residents to keep communicating about water conservation, and he "understands where people are coming from."
    Oh yuck. He's gonna use resident outrage to further his career.

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  38. Well you won't be seeing Bart Doyle in Sierra Madre tonight. He's over at the PUSD making public comment. He wants to say he's sorry.

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    1. No, he was busy taking credit for the middle school

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  39. Johnny Process wants to continue hearing what they residents have to say. The city is sending out a mailer with tips on water conservation. Now that is something.

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    1. Johnny is ready to champion the little guys. If his colleagues are counting on him, they better prepare themselves.

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    2. The mailer is a perfect example of clueless leadership: it's a waste of money, beside the point, and out of touch with residents' needs. Save the postage and the paper and the labor costs-- residents are picking up the tab for it and we don't want our money spent on crap like that. And by 'crap' I mean a 'moronic gesture which is just another item on a very long list titled Reasons The Council Has to Go'.

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  40. Yes Mayor, everyone can have a card, even if they come in late. You have to listen, what with being the Mayor and all.

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  41. First speaker is right. All of the hillsides will have to be exempted.

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    1. 6:52, it's either that or increase fires and floods.....

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  42. Let's see how Nancy Walsh handles a senior who does not speak quickly.

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  43. A citizen is suggesting taking away the right to decide what happens with the water from the gov - and giving it to a new volunteer committee.
    My question is did he come up with it himself, or is this a council feed?

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    1. My guess is he is a retired government employee, and he is speaking process.

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  44. This guy speaking now is excellent. It is a discriminatory policy, and the single family home owners are the targets.

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  45. Hi. my name is Mr. Hunter.

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  46. God I love the way Sierra Madreans speak truth with such vigor.

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  47. Mrs. Cooper is 95 years old.

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    1. The city should reimburse her the three hundred dollars, and apologize.

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    2. Look, it has been posted since the Farmer's Market started on that street that you can't park there on Wednesday afternoons. 96 years old or not, she parked where she shouldn't have on Wednesday afternoon. I have sympathy for her, I got a parking ticket and was towed in a spot which was clearly posted in another city. But, police didn't know that that car was owned by a 96 year old citizen, and really, age is no excuse. Sorry I know you all disagree, but age is no excuse.

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    3. I'd feel better if they'd towed the Farmers Market as well.

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  48. Yes! Great idea to apply credits!

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  49. Crawford broke the camera!
    No video on the TV.

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  50. If Johnnie h is ready to go populist I say amen! Tell me where to donate to his next campaign.

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    1. Going populist? You mean like all of a sudden?

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    2. Oh 7:19, don't be ridiculous.
      John Harabedian will go whichever way he thinks suits him. We're not talking about a real moral choice.
      Watch him try to placate the crowd with a supposed sympathy.

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    3. Johnny is a phony. Pure and simple.

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  51. Katrelya Angus kicked butt.

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  52. This water conservation policy is so bad that even Mosca supporters are speaking against it.

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    1. It's a good point that if the council can control the rain then they can go ahead and implement this policy.

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  53. I'm glad to hear the questions about the base year, and why it was a bad choice.

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  54. What a line-up: Earl Richey, Fay Angus and MaryAnn Macgillvray.
    A nightmare for some of those on the dais.

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  55. Mandate that all new construction have gray water systems.
    Who can argue with that?

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  56. Excellent remarks from Commissioner Paschall. Thousands and thousands of gallons for new development, and we don't have it.

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    1. How many members of the City Council would vote for a building moratorium. Maybe one?

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    2. Why? Not enough intelligence? No common sense?

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    3. Try corruption.

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  57. People are very forgiving - whoop-de-do, because the PUSD finally, finally came through?

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  58. Moran wants to assuage the audience's fear because "I will be putting this on a future agenda." Methinks Josh has forgotten that he is no longer the mayor.

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  59. Our City government looks very weak tonight. After months of making stupid decisions, they are now being called out on their bad judgement. All they seem to be able to do is chew on their pencils.

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    1. And say they understand.

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  60. $29,000 more to the general paln consultant?
    Sounds like a bunch of bs.

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    1. How much water does it take to flush $30,000 down the drain?

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  61. Get ready for it, they can turn on the MWD hook up on Grand View.

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  62. Does anybody upthere, ovrthere. downthere think? Lets ok an Assisted Living Facility, two Mouintain divisions and a DWP hookup Then ration water to the "stupids". This whole thing "sucks". Our City Council behind City Mgr Aguilar has interests other than Water. Its just a means to an end. Raise Hell Sierra Madre, Its your dime.

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  63. Does anyone know what the Director of Development Services is actually saying? Other than he wants to farm out word processing?

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    1. Director Castro is showing his tap-dancing skills tonight. And his capacity to say circuitous and essentially meaningless things.

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    2. Typing is dangerous. It could lead to lawsuits.

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    3. From the Arcadia City Manager...
      CITY HELPS SIERRA MADRE WITH WATER ISSUES

      You may have read this week about Sierra Madre enacting significant water restrictions to

      respond to a diminishing supply. To date, their entire water supply has basically been

      provided by local groundwater. Unfortunately, they do not have very deep wells, so while

      we have plenty of room before our wells begin to show issues in the same aquifer, theirs are

      about to “suck air”. The Cities and the local water boards have agreed to cut back

      production from the subject water basin to let it recover somewhat. In the meantime, we

      have agreed to push imported water through our system up to Sierra Madre to help them

      meet their needs. We will be charging them for the cost of electricity only, which will total

      about $108,000, or $135/acre foot. They will have to pay the water master directly for the

      cost of the imported water itself. This arrangement will be expensive for Sierra Madre, but

      still much less expensive than what Arcadia has to pay for importing its water and less than

      drilling a new well. This is a good sign of collaboration among our two communities, where

      just a few weeks ago, it appeared that Sierra Madre was going to try to blame Arcadia for its

      water issues and try to cut off our production rights so they could keep pumping normally.

      NOW LETS SEE WHAT OUR CITY IS GOING TO CHARGE...

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  64. Hire a local high school kid to type it up.

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  65. A week to make an appendix? A day, if you know how to focus and cut and paste.

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    1. Staff is very busy. They have no time to do work like this. They have fees to collect.

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  66. Tattler, please get a copy of this brilliant letter and publish it.

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  67. Back off City Council!!! You are way in over your head!!!

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  68. Earl is burning down the house.

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    1. Nancy was trying to get him to stop early on. Another ineffectual slip-up on her part.

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  69. Hooray! A middle school for Sierra Madre! that means safe class rooms, baseball fields, and computer labs for the children.Sierra Madre kids and parents showed up in force! Thanks to all who helped. The vote was 5 yes, 1 no, and 1 board member was absent.

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    1. I also say hooray - and learn from the past. Don't trust 'em an inch.

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    2. And I suggest that the bullying problem be taken care of, or there won't be enough students to fill the school.

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  70. Elaine: It is totally possible for staff to do this if there is no hurry, and you give us time.

    Say what you will, she is pretty quick to gauge the way the wind blows.

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  71. I have no confidence that Director Castro can estimate any job tasks, or any legitimate budget proposals for the consultant. He and the city manager wanted to farm this out from the beginning.

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  72. If there is moratorium there will be plenty of time to type.

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  73. If there is a building moratorium Danny will have plenty of time to type!

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  74. hey on July 1 isn't city hall going to be closed for several hours each day so staff can work without interruption? let them do it then!

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  75. Queen Nancy has the knives out. She is taking them out.

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  76. Nancy's eye make up makes her look like she's been drinking.

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  77. Nancy Walsh is after the General Plan Update Committee - she thinks it is flawed, she is insulted, and she says that Denise Delmar's letter has untruths in it.
    A new low, Walsh.

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    1. What about the untruths from Walsh, who has had a vendetta from the beginning about the GPU.

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  78. To the Update Committee, thanks for your hard work. Just remember that no good deed goes unpunished.

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  79. The Queen of Mean.

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  80. What!? greenhouse gases are not all that important!? What will this do for the new B.S. Commission?

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  81. There is no harder working volunteer than Denise Delmar. Mayor Walsh should be heartily ashamed of herself.

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  82. Walsh just gave us all a fine example of ignorance attacking integrity.

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  83. They are just obeying orders.

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  84. How dare Nancy Walsh spew her uninformed nonsense regarding the qualifications of the General Plan Update Committee. She stated that it was the city that got the meetings televised so it would be transparent. The committee asked for that so the community could follow along better. The committee asked for additonal meetings so they could proceed more rapidly and that was met by a NO as it would take up too much staff time yet there is staff all over the place at meetings where they are not needed as Elaine is such a micromanager she cannot let an underling answer a question without her interferrence.

    Where was Walsh when the 1996 General Plan was created? All she has to do is look at the credits given for the participants and she will see that it was the work of the citizens of the city of Sierra Madre, then, as it should be now. This consultant firm at the cost of $200,000.00 (the exact amount was quoted by Capoccia) could not do the work without the imput of the volunteers. Much of the data procured by the consultant had to be reworked as it was boiler plate and did not match the facts on the ground.

    I gotta see this letter that Walsh says was full of lies.

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  85. Years of hard work gets you a kick in the fanny from the Queen of Hearts.

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  86. RH3 Housing. "We are just obeying orders!"

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  87. Re the massage therapist. Make your rational arguments, but shame on that person for throwing the race card out? It does nothing to advance the conversation.

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  88. I channel surfed away for a minute so missed the racial statement, but given the distain that I just heard in the voice of the mayor as she read the names of the next three in line to speak, she soured with the mispronounciation of Ms Lopez who is just about to speak.

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    1. More of the mayor's lack of graciousness.
      What a prize she is.

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  89. what massage "hold" do you think this massage therapist used to convince all her friends to come and speak on her behalf? really, just kidding. who knew a woman could be a grandfather?

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  90. Which topic had more speakers, water or Yvette, the massage therapist

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    1. Yvette. But the issue is a good one. People will stand up when an outrage like this happens.

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  91. I can't stand to watch it for too long so I was away again, what happened to Yvette?

    Just listened to Nancy welcome director Snyder to the podium, did you hear her? She is glib and unfocused. She is really unfit to be in the mayor's chair!

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    1. Still in this damn placeJune 11, 2013 at 10:18 PM

      Yvette was rescued. She is OK.

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    2. I have noticed that the Mayor tends to be either inappropriately cavalier, or inappropriately hostile.

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  92. Did they get to items 6 and 7, the Wildan study, or the Public Safety Survey?

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    1. No, thank God. Hopefully the city loses them like they did Yvette's paperwork.

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  93. I am taping this, so later if Neuroblast wants to make a CD of Miss Nasty Nancy we have some good stuff. She was simply hideous.

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  94. 10:43 am?

    When is she not hideous? This woman is a total disgrace to Sierra Madre, and talking to people who have worked with her, even years ago, she always has been a very nasty person. It's not just dementia....she was always like that.

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  95. I live in a condo. 6 units, lawn and garden. Our bi-monthly average is 57. The problem is that the meter was misread in the last 4 bimonthly periods of our base year. Each of those 4 readings was low by a factor of 10. If the readings are corrected, our average goes up to 125. That's consistent with other years. I wonder if this happened to anyone else?

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