Huh. And here I thought they wanted to be our "good neighbors."
WHEN ARE THE "WATER USERS" GOING TO SEND IN THE "PROTEST BALLOTS" ?IF THE PROTEST BALLOTS ARE NOT SENT IN...IT COUNTS AS A "YES" FOR INCREASE WATER & SEWER RATES!!!COUNT ON YOUR WATER & SEWER RATES DOUBLING...EXAMPLE... A $200 Bill could be $400 "counting all your tears"
Give 'em copies of the many planning meeting dvds and tell them to get lost.
Is anyone surprised?
But, but....they love Sierra Madre!
Just love it to death.
The caps are the importance of the water issue. Save Sierra Madre from the current City Administration an the City Manager!!!
All 5 of the council support the water raise. The City Manager had nothing to do with this one.
If this lost in a court of law, then truly cities could no longer control anything.
Wonder how Colantuono & Levin's lawyer is feeling about this? It was Michael Colantuono who first talked the city into not defending itself, which got us into this mess. Michael "had every confidence" that we would prevail, but somehow worked out a total and complete surrender anyway.
What a surprise. They're thugs.
They are a bunch of bullies. Their project does not meet the findings necessary for approval.. The City Council needs to support the Planning Commission. The houses are too big for the building pad.
If the city does not stand up and defend our ordinances and codes, then what good is it?
The codes and ordinances are for everyone to follow, not just the residents. Developers and speculators must follow the same rules.
Might as well become some flotsam and jetsam of the state.
Tonight is not the night to watch this meeting on TV.You need to be there in person and speak up.
Ok, in the first place, I'm surprised to see this memo on the Tattler. In the second place, why would the council even care about this until they have made their decision to either support the PC's action or to cancel it? What have legal threats got to do with the facts of the hearings?
Have you thought this through? CETT is holding a gun to their head.
They must decide the appeal on the facts. If CETT wants to sue, that's a different issue.That issue would come after they decide whether or not to support the planning commission.
You have a dry sense of humor.
Who on city staff is in bed with these people? Flush them out and give them their walking papers.Your CEQA report verses, My CEQA report and it all comes down to that in the court of law.
Nobody is. City staff is standing up for Sierra Madre. Credit where credit is due!
I think one of the reasons that the Planning Commission turned down these projects is because the residents came and spoke up that night.The only way to stop this nonsense is to attend tonight's meeting and put pressure on the City Council.Pack the chambers!
2:38, you mean those nights.
What is wrong is they do meet all the city codes , which is way the city will lose
They do not meet all the necessary findings.
The findings are subjective which is why thw city will lose
Hey, Mr. Subjective is back! Whuddup Sub?
Subjectively speaking, Sub strikes me as persistent.
Sub is a three syllable poster with a two syllable mind.
Who is to say that someone "Elaine" & ?" have not encouraged CETT to sue threaten to sue, to give cover for three council members disposed to approve the mansions on the hill, just looking for an excuse. "I didn't want to approve it but in order to avoid a lawsuit we thought better to approve. This is so transparent!
It could be the city wants to fight it. It is possible, you know.
Oh come on!
You may say I'm a dreamerBut I'm not the only oneI hope someday you will join usAnd the town will live as one
Now that was civil ...
And as it turns out, prescient.
Hoping the City Council tonight gives them reason to want to sue the City. CETT does not deserve approval based on what they have submitted.
Fight back Sierra Madre!
There is always one "rat" insider who is angling for a better job position inside or outside the city of Sierra Madre, California.
It looks like the City should hire the Hildreth's Attorney.
Had a chance to read some of the supporting evidence and it looks like their lawyer has a vastly different interpretation of the settlement than our lawyer. It looks like they may put the council in a box tonight and the council will have to send it back to the planning commission.
Can you supply any convincing evidence to support your conclusion?
That is what will happen and the planning commission will send it right back forcing the elected city council to make the hard choice
Lots of folks here tonight
Pretty much a full house. Great to see!
Nancy is a little on edge this evening.
Many more people in the audience than she is used to.
So MPT*'s idea to remove the water penalties is working out pretty good. No one is conserving anymore.
Soon he will be the M*. Sell your house now.
Can Bruce tell us how much water is being used for dust abatement at the ALF?
For the record, Nancy Walsh was called out by Earl Richey for eye rolling. Nancy rolled her eyes at that.
I'm not sure Walsh can control the movements of her eyes.
Danny is a nice guy, and I know he means well. But this Mills Act stuff is making me sleepy.
You can tell this Mills Act guy really is a historian. He uses the word "fascinating" a lot.
It's Lawsuit Richey McDonald!
Lawsuit Richey just mentioned something called the Tree Removal Commission. What is that?
A slip of the tongue, and an offensive one at that.The guy doesn't grasp the concept of protecting trees.
Adele is being annoying again.
We are screwed, people! Take a close look at the candidates,...specialy their linked in accounts. Lots of dots to connect before voting. This could get ugly.....
What is a house that is "significantly smaller in feeling." Is it smaller or not?
That happens when you cram many real estate agents and their developer associates, into a house. It just feels smaller.
That is lingusitic gymnastics. Enjoy the show.
Adele is saying her 5.5 bathroom McMansions don't use as much water as "typical older homes." Her nose is growing.
Adele has the unfortunate habit of talking down to us. Yeah, her book has a lot of tabs, and she has looked through it a lot. So what?
Chang is wily.If she doesn't want to hear what she is being asked, she gets rather girlish, and redirects, as it is known in magician circles.
She neglected to mention that she consults it so often because she's figuring out ways to get around it.
Damn. I think John Harabedian has done his homework.
His best night.
For once he doesn't get a "Gentleman's C."
I think he actually used some of his skills for the good of the community. Huh.
Minor changes were made. CETT probably believed that the lawsuit threat plus this fig leaf would get them through. The room filled with people who are here to oppose these McMansions say otherwise.
History is being made. The City is standing up to a 1 Carter developer.
It was fine to hear Harabedian, Capoccia and Moran actually articulate that the massing was too damn big.
Jeez, if these men had been on the council when that all first started.....
Adele's dilemma. How do you build a McMansions that does not look like a McMansion?
You McDon't....Not here!!!
Nancy just said "grueling" 4 times in one sentence.
She was giving the architect lovey eyes.
Lawsuit Richie just pronounced Councilmember Capoccia's last name as Ka-pah-chee-yuh.
Adele - "I hear what you're saying." Then she proves that she didn't.
Communication Tricks 101, say you're listening.
I hear ya!
They will agree to try again. Anything to get those big boxes packed in like they want.
They're McMansions. Of course they are going to look like McMansions. What else could they look like?
Good. the developer will put gray water in all the homes. It's a start.
It is good.Now if they just knock 1000 square feet off the massing.
Modern families require 5.5 bathrooms. In a suitable 4,000 square foot setting.
9:28, be optimistic. Surely Chang will knock those big boys down to 3,999 feet. Ya know, in the spirit of cooperation.
It will be interesting to see how they try to hold on to every bit of the square feet that they have now, while "changing the design."
That is exactly the point. You can't build big houses that don;t look like big houses. No mat err how you stack a McMansion, it is still a McMansion.
Capoccia said it tonight - the developer has one guiding principle: square feet.
Why are they going through all this again with each house? Hasn't the whole thing been decided and punted back to the planning commission?
Why are we still on this Stonegate topic? I thought we were finished.
It will never be finished.
People left too soon.
How can either of the other houses that were turned down by the planning commission have any different outcome?Remand with specifics.Wanta bet?
Hunh. Adele just described a McMansion as "cottage style."
That's one of my favorites.
Adele uses funny words. "Understated" to describe a 4,000 sq foot housing.
Capoccia just asked a question that Adele didn't want to answer. The people who will buy these 5 bedroom 5.5 bathroom monstrosities are nouveau riche asians. Grotesque consumption is fashionable in those circles.
The exchange between Capoccia and Lawsuit Richie over the bathroom issue was hilarious. Comedic highlight of the evening.
Capoccia is absolutely right - all they do is nibble around the edges of the cookie and they do not, will not reduce the massing significantly. See, these people want to have the freedom to define words in ways that suit them. "Reduce significantly" for the applicant means "Tinker around a little, but maintain the mass."
They keep showing that swooping power point and it looks nothing like it is on the property. The power point is a fantasy.
Adele is paid to obfuscate.
She would make a very good used car sales lady.
Yes Koerber! Lot combination would be fabulous. One story houses on combined lots.
I think this architect is a liar.
Harabedian is on. It isn't about french or monterey or any other McMansion cloaking. It is about BIG HOUSES.
Sit down Ken. Public comment is over.
Can't take that manipulative whiney architect anymore.It was a bad day when she got this business.
I wonder if she actually thinks people are going to take her crap seriously.
Maybe she's successful because she just drives people crazy, and they give her what she wants just to make her go away.Well in Sierra Madre we are used to crazy. She's going to have to come up with better work than huge box houses slamming into each other.
Oh good God, it would be better if Nancy just didn't speak at all.
The theme of the night: Too much Mass.yep.Thank you Sierra Madre city council members.
Robert Ho: "Size matters..."
Realtor Ho is finishing the night with a comedy set.And a reference to every big house in Sierra Madre (without mentioning the lot size)
This is the guy who said he was looking forward to being our neighbor.
He loves our city.
Crawford gets a shot in. I see a new sitcom here....great show tonight.
C'mon. He turned around and berated people for talking while he was talking. He's a nut.
This is so funny. He's absolutely dissing us and then saying how he loves us. What a confused little man.
"Little man" ?
He looked very little on tv.
This could be the source of his obsession about size mattering.
Great point from Crawford. "The real question is do we want McMansions or not?"
Why did Koerber ask us to throw away our protest ballots?
He has explained his position on this more than once. He is in favor of the water rate hikes and opposed to the UUT.