Wednesday, March 19, 2014

It's All Quite Debatable

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"I cry for the parents who will have to explain to their children how that man in those awful pictures was elected to a position of high honor in our community." - Comment 

I hope I am not being too insensitive here, but Noah Green breaking down in tears at yesterday's Kiwanis Club debate over his much too candid Facebook photography being sent around the community is one of the more bizarre moments in the political history of this town. A place that has has seen far more than its share of highly eccentric episodes.

Let us be blunt. If you are running for political office and you post sexually suggestive and unclothed pictures of yourself on a very public Facebook page, somebody is going to eventually notice. And when those pictures get passed around town as they almost certainly will during a political campaign, the blame belongs to nobody but yourself. It is your own damn fault.

Rather than trying to play the victim card, or attempting to win the votes of the incredibly credulous by bawling about the pain of his extreme embarrassment, Noah Green really does need to man up and take some responsibility for his actions. Admit that it was a stupid thing to do, apologize for what really was a very unfortunate indiscretion, and for God's sake have the plain and simple decency to say you're sorry.

Pointing fingers at others and indulging yourself with some frankly over the top hysterics in public about how unfair it all was just isn't going to cut it with very many people. It certainly isn't what people look for, either in a strong community leader or a credible adult.

Fortunately there were no tears at the City Hall debate, though there were a couple of moments that were enough to bring on a bout of melancholia. One was the continuing struggle Gene Goss seems to be having over what has become know as the "Goss Pledge." Here is how it was put in a blog comment last night:

Goss is saying he won't accept contributions from outside organizations. On his website he says he will not accept support of any kind from labor unions, etc. That is clearly a change of message.

The observation is very true. It appeared last night that Goss was trying to deal with the increased perception that he has gone back on his pledge to not accept any kind of campaign support from outside organizations. Here is how it is stated on his campaign website (link):

The trend in recent years of outside organizations trying to influence Sierra Madre politics is unacceptable. Therefore, in the interest of the independence of this town, my solemn commitment to fellow Sierra Madreans is that I will absolutely not solicit nor will I accept any support from political parties, outside political organizations, outside political interest groups, outside political consultants, labor unions, law firms, developers, etc.

At the Kiwanis debate Goss admitted to receiving $500 and the endorsement of the United Teachers of Pasadena. Goss claims he returned that money, but did not renounce the endorsement. Last night he tried to make it seem as if all he had "pledged" to do was not accept money from outside groups. That just is not true.

All of which adds to the growing perception that Gene Goss is a fudging humbug who will do or say anything to get elected.

Noah Green had moments where it was obvious he has little feel for this town or knowledge of its recent history. Noah says the most mundane things about Sierra Madre like they are amazing new revelations, and for him they are because he has never heard them before. He's the newbie who wants to be king.

One of those moments came when he spoke passionately about Police Department response times. He claimed that there is no other PD in the area with quicker response times than the Sierra Madre Police Department. However, there is also no town in the area that is smaller than the City of Sierra Madre. Those quick response times having more to do with the town being a mere 3 square miles than anything else. There is just so much less geography to cover.

The weirdest Noah Green moment came during his very strange rant about the nature of the opposition to development at the Monastery. Here is how one commenter put it:

Green just told the Passionist Fathers organization that he was totally into developing the monastery! That was a one hundred percent message of surrender and capitulation. Keep him as far away as possible from any negotiations.

Noah then proceeded to claim that opposition to development at the monastery was soon to become a source of great turmoil in the community, and that if we don't give the developer everything he wants we could be sued. The term he used, "knee-jerk hard line stance," being just flat-out offensive to anyone who cares about preserving our last remaining open green spaces.

It is also, as anyone familiar with the disastrous One Carter disaster can tell you, an argument straight out of 2004. Noah, who then went on to sing the praises of such discredited development dinosaurs as Bart Doyle, Rob Stockley and Glenn Lambdin, has clearly been absorbing ancient wisdom at the feet of the old boys network. If elected, he'd obviously sell us out to the development special interests in a heartbeat.

That Green would express acceptance of the long discredited idea that the people of Sierra Madre should not be allowed to defend their interests because some damn fool developer might decide to sue the city is antithetical to everything this very independent community stands for. The last thing we need is yet another surrender monkey on the City Council. We have had enough of those, thank you.

Another odd moment for Noah Green was his riff on how, having now gone door to door in the community, he discovered just how knowledgeable and smart Sierra Madreans are. Good to see that after 18 months he has finally gotten around to meeting his neighbors. Turns out we're not the dumb "townies" he thought we were when he first got here. This is how one unhappy commenter put it:

Noah says he found out that we are smarter than he thought when he first decided to run. You betcha we are Noah. That's why you have been chopped up like the East Coast obnoxious jerk you are.

Two questions I had submitted to the League of Women voters that were passed over:

1) Why does Sierra Madre pay the highest utility taxes in the State of California?

2) Why does City Hall offer the highest costing health care plans in the state to a very select group of City Hall employees?

I guess they just didn't think those would be appropriate for the sensitive souls of Sierra Madre. Good to see the League works to protect us from such vexatious thoughts.

Both Rachelle Arizmendi and Denise Delmar did very well in keeping to the issues, were well informed, and covered all of the subjects well. Both left the audience with the impression that they are strong, ethical and capable managers, qualities that are desperately needed at City Hall right now.

Their principled and courageous stands against gross overtaxation and resulting fiscal irresponsibility deserve this community's gratitude and support.

Gene Goss didn't disgrace himself, but was not as accurate in some of his statements as he could have been. Perception problems over the "Goss Pledge" were clearly on his mind, and his attempt to fudge on this matter by claiming he was only talking about cash donations was both self-serving and smacked of dishonesty.

It was obvious that Noah Green doesn't know very much about this town. Many of his self-styled important stands came across as being either naive, factually incorrect or inauthentic. He is clearly malleable and naive, something clearly shown by his worshipful praise of the old boys network.

Here is how one commenter described Noah's performance:

O.K. folks, here is why none of us should even hover over the Green name on your ballot.

Q. His main platform is to support an ordinance to require gray water installation on all new development?
A. The City Council discussed, then passed an ordinance re: gray water requirements at their last council meeting. He was there. 

Q. The way to bring more business to town is to have some activity on Halloween? 
A. The merchants already sponsor a trick or treat in all the businesses. Afterwards there is a parade from Kersting Court to the Park where they have a costume contest. What else should they do?

My alphabetically arranged verdicts?

Rachelle Arizmendi was very impressive.

Denise Delmar is strong, ethical and exudes competence.

Gene Goss will say or do anything to get elected.

Noah Green is Fredo Corleone.

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69 comments:

  1. Let's play--who used the term "subordinate" to describe a hardworking member of the Sierra Madre Department of Public Works when grasping to answer a question about the water department and who was this city employee? Hint #1: He is referring to the Deputy Public Works Director (Bruce Inmann is the Director). Hint #2: The term was used by the candidate who teaches community college classes in government and history therefore he is interested in the history of cultural heritage in Sierra Madre. (!) (?) Hint #3. You don't need anymore hints. Just a suggestion: don't vote for this guy.

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  2. Noah knows about water because he spoke to Bruce Inman.

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    1. and Gene Goss knows about water because when he was a kid he built a dam that created a pond and he put some fish native to his area in it and they lived!

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    3. And I think he also spoke to Bruce's subordinate, Chris Cimino.

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    4. The old saw that Gene forgot (Doh!)
      "Whiskey's for drinking,
      Water's for fighting over."

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  3. For those people concerned about a large housing project at Mater Dolorosa, they can take comfort that at least three out of the four candidates seemed to be very skeptical about a housing project over there in particular and for any kind of development in Sierra Madre in general. They are now on record as wanting to limit development. Goss was particularly strong in his concern about the Monastery having lived on Sierra Keys for many years and enjoying the grounds with his family. Add to that some of the other issues that came up including the water shortage and it is apparent that the folks up at the Monastery who think they can ram a project through are going to have a wake-up call. As for Noah Green's comments, he was kind of a mixed bag on the issue. Hopefully, he will stand up and fight to preserve this town and not roll over too quickly in the interest of being "fair" as opposed to doing what's in the best interest of Sierra Madre. I didn't hear the "knee-jerk opposition" comment but if he said that, then it does raise some red flags about what side he's going to come down on. Maybe he should clarify his position on that issue that is so important to so many people in town.

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    1. It doesn't matter. Nobody but crazy people are going to vote for Noah.

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    2. 6:52, you might want to watch a replay of the debate. Green came out clearly for developing the monastery, nothing mixed about it. In fact, he guaranteed himself the developer vote.
      And Goss wrote on one of his cards that he wants to make sure the monastery development is "responsible."
      Both Goss and Green are giving out the full speed ahead development message.

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    3. All those two care about is the million dollars in development impact fees the city would get. Money that would go straight into the pension and benefit accounts of the municipal employee union members they are beholden to.

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    4. I'm willing to share my water and raise my water rates for the million dollar homes of residents who don't live here yet?

      arent you?

      Noah Green will rubber stamp any development, he may ask a question or two but he's not going to challenge any developer - it's the lawyer in him - argue, talk and settle.

      Green said he would look for a settlement - 2 years of living here and he's already selling out the city.

      He's big supporter John Buchanan (former Councilman) who works for SoCal Edision is mighty pleased with Noah.

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    5. I suspect Johnny B wishes Noah had kept his pants on.

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    6. vote for Noah Boo Hoo Green

      he'll cry if you don't vote for him

      such emotional stability

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  4. the absolute best line of the entire evening was Delmar's final statement when she stated that yes, indeed, she has already read the budget, line by line, and has learned from that reading that we don 't need to raise the UUT Tax. Hooray! It's so nice to have someone who actually did the homework nećessary to be a good steward of the taxpayers' money. She has my vote!

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    1. I agree that was a powerful statement by Delmar about already going through the budget line by line. How can those two other candidates be automatically in favor of the UUT Tax increase if they don't know the budget line by line the way Delmar does. If the UUT doesn't pass, how do those two candidates know that we can only cut scary stuff like police response times, paramedics and the library? If they haven't read the budget through line by line, how do they know there's not less scary stuff to cut like waste and inefficency in government? I guess they know in advance that there is no waste and inefficency over at city hall. What a joke. I would follow Delmar's position of being against the UUT if only because she has already examined the budget.

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    2. I liked many things she said. If staff has to hire consultants constantly, why aren't we training them better to do their jobs, and we can keep city hall open on Fridays without changing the budget, and our downtown has good stores (Taylors & the hardware store). I've never understood why the Dirts are always moaning about downtown needing more businesses. This is a small place and if a business doesn't make it here, it wasn't the right kind of business.

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    3. With Apologies To Frank SinatraMarch 19, 2014 at 9:28 AM

      If a business can make it here, it can make it anywhere.

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    4. the development crowd doesn't bemoan about the lack of busineses, they are actually bemoaning cause we dont' have enought condos downtown

      it's the same crowd, the realtors and those associated with the industy - they bark about business but they are really biting us with housing - it's been that for the last 15 years starting with Bart Doyle who supports both Noah and Gene.

      Look at who we elect and it's no surprise.

      Bart Doyle - building association lobbyist.
      Rob Stockly - commerical lending banker
      Joe Mosca - utility company pr rep
      John Buchaan - utility company lawyer and pr rep
      Josh Moran - mortgage salesman
      Glenn Lambin - building contactor
      and the list goes on

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    5. Great summary 10:46. Explains a lot.

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  5. It would have been helpful if the League of Women Voters had asked Gene Goss about his connections to the Calderon family.

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  6. Ok Tattlers. You have heard all the candidates debate. Now is the time to order up your "NO on UUT" sign to show your support for two fine candidates who will not spend all your money. Just let the Mod know you want one and it will appear in your yard asap.

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  7. At the Kiwanis debate Noah said he had thought about quitting. It would have been the most decent thing for him to do.

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    1. Absolutely.

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    2. Quitting instead of bringing further dishonor to City Council would be the right thing to do.

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    3. Noah could work this all off with two years of volunteer work. People eventually will forgive him, but only if he owns up and rebuilds his reputation with some sweat equity. Noah could come back in 2 years a wiser and better qualified candidate. Right now he doesn't stand a chance, and doesn't seserve one.

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    4. Dude bawls because he really wants to be a Councilmember and we aren't taking him seriously?

      I really can't respect any candidate that actually sheds tears because they are so desperate to be a Councilmember.

      He's not apologizing for the pics he's just whining caue he got exposed

      and he was the one exposing himself

      but then again, he's a "lawyer" and an "adult" as he so often states

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    5. Maybe he sees us as parents, and crying has always worked for him in the past.

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  8. Any comments about the 3 minute response times is nothing I would be bragging about. I think my kid could ride his bike across town in 3 min., and I bet he wouldn't crash on his way. Unfortunately comments are made that people just don't stop to think about.

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    1. You're never 3 minutes away from being told you should have locked your back window.

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    2. Don't make fun of SMPD. They are the only law enforcement agency with a 3 min. response time in town. Of course, other agencies may be able to do it in 2:30.

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    3. On any day of the week, I'd rather wait for the Sheriff's office than have the SMPD respond.

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  9. Even the doughnut shop by Albertsons is only 3 min away

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    1. the one day I didn't have my camera with me there were two SMPD crusiers parked at the doughnut shop

      such a cliche'

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  10. The League of Women Voters also did not ask my question which was: For all candidates - which name do you prefer, Buc Naked or Noah Pants?

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  11. The SMPD force attained this specialized skill set that facilitates lightning fast response times by avidly watching and modeling themselves after "Paul Bart Mall Cop".

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  12. it! would have been 2:30 if taylor's wasn't in the way

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  13. Noah didn't apologize for his photos and how they might have misrepresented him as a lawyer and professional, instead he started crying and saying that he always wanted to run for a political office.

    Imagine a life goal is to run for a political office - as a goal?

    He moves into SM, joins a few high profile organizations to get noticed, doesn't accomplish anything while on the Chamber and after 18 months decides that we need his mature and sound judgement....as his pics represent him.

    He's absolutely clueless and arrogant with his lack of knowledge. Sort of no surprise that his primary supporters are John Buchanan, Nancy Walsh, Susan Henderson,John Harabedian and Bart Doyle. All have lied about the UUT, water bonds and/or misrepresented themselves to us when we expect them to be honest and follow what the citizens vote for and against - like Measure V.

    I have to laugh at his absurd suggestion that the city utilize Halloween as a marketing tool ? He wants to bring in adults who drink? In his many (2) years of living here, he hasn't seen Halloween in SM? The SM Elementary parade, the window painting or Allegria? While he's been on the Chamber, what specifically has he done HIMSELF? nada

    Noah just throws out an idea without any thinking, basically clueless and then he says he'll be fiscially responsible?

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    1. Under Chamber VP Noah Green we have seen more empty shops downtown than ever before.

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    2. Yes there are empty store fronts - and there are businesses that are doing fine and have been for many years. What's the problem?

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    3. The problem is the empty store fronts. There are lots of them. As the #2 Chamber member, second only to a guy who works for other Chambers as well, this would be Noah's resonsibility.

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    4. That's one of the Dirt/Downtown Investment Club's main themes.
      The sky is falling downtown! Hire Buxton to consult! Take surveys! Oh, and raise business license fees.
      Phooey.

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    5. Two bike shops opening, the hot dog place opened, a computer place, another judo place, subway is gonna open, the yellow bus went out of business (no surprise), I don't know what you're seeing.

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    6. Fiscally responsible even though he admits he hasn't read the budget, BUT, "when I get in, I'll go over the budget line by line." How about going through the budget now before he talks about finances.

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  14. Question, are police officers required to obey the same laws that they give tickets for? Was just wondering what standards policemen are held accountable to. Anyone in the audience know the answer to this question? Can you show us where your source of information came from, thank you.

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  15. An apology to Green from the one who blogged last night - the water we are getting now from the MWD does come from the Colorado River, not from Northern California, so Green was right on that point.

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  16. It is really quite predictable that Green portrayed himself as a victim, considering how he showed the flip side of victim, symbolically, with the mannequin.
    That's really more than I want to know about his psychology.

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  17. Thanks Noah. I just realized I make little enough money to be exempted from UTT! I'm changing my vote to yes and applying for my exemption..............

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    1. No chance you'll ever get a raise?

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    2. Here's the dirty little secret on the low income. If you make even one lousy dollar over the limit, you get to pay the full tax.

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    3. Retirement check. No raises. I do question however if I actually qualify? I am moderate income but city hall says I qualify as low income? Hmmm? I wonder......

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    4. If they change their numbers later on, then you would lose out as well. I guess it depends on how much you trust city hall.

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    5. Guess I'll keep my no on UTT for the time being.

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  18. If you are someone who watches body language you must have been very entertained at last nights meet the candidate forum at City Hall. Not only was it informative watching the different candidates but the audience was also entertaining as well. One lady was so obvious in her convictions I found it very offensive for a couple of the candidates who were speaking. Wondered if this lady was aware of her actions because if she was she was being very rude. Some people just don't like to see women in politics and it made me wonder if she was one of those.

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  19. moderator, no, you aren't being insensitive by questioning Noah's maturity and ability to lead because he was actually crying like a toddler at the Kiwanis debate because he desperately wants to be elected - to something and at any expense.

    I have laughed at Noah's crying and I wish somebody could have snapped a picture of it - a grown axe man, a "lawyer" who running for Council is actually shedding tears and playing the sympathy card because he posted and got called out on his maturity and questioning his thought processes and all he does is point fingers elsewhere and whine?

    jeez, we had the finger pointing at others with Joe Mosca but at least he didn't start crying like a baby cause he was challenged but Joe had the good sense not to act like a petulant child - ALL THE TIME!

    Noah, grow up and call us when you've gotten a backbone and this type of reaction is the last thing we need on Council.

    next time I see him a Mary's I'll give him a tissue

    waaaaaa



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  20. Dear Tattler readers,
    Who do you know that is a Permanent Absentee Voter, or a one-time Absentee Voter? Please ask them if they've mailed back their ballots. If they haven't, please make sure they mail them back ASAP, especially with a big NO vote on the UUT tax increase.

    Thanks, and email the Mod: sierramadretattler@gmail.com to get your "NO On UUT" sign.

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  21. FYI: Saw some people protesting in front of Ambassador College today, with a giant red and white banner decrying the shameful tactics of Greg Galletly. Anybody remember that name?

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    1. So Galletly is busy as usual; bankruptcies, lawsuits and generally living a scoundrel's life.

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    2. That is exactly what the council of the time was told about Developer Greg - and they went into business with him anyway. Mind boggling.

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    3. When the 2004 Council sold out the residents and gave up one of Sierra Madre's most precious woodlands to Galletly, the argument they used was the fear of lawsuits. The exact same argument Noah Brains used last night in regard to the monastery. Terrible.

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    4. Well, duh... look at who he's been talking to for background and advice - the exact same former 2004 Councilmembers. Duhjavu.

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  22. Comments about the response times. Isn't a person declared braindead in 3 minutes?

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    1. That's how they create 'Yes on Measure UUT' voters.

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  23. Updated data base, Cities pay outs for employees etc. publicpay.ca.gov

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    1. 7:05 - yes, the government class is hard at work protecting their gold plated pensions and benefits that those of us in the private sector can never dream of having, all the while shutting down City Hall every other Friday and opening late in the morning. City Hall is out of control!

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    2. The Tax Twins (Goss and Green) are out pushing tax heroin to the uninformed citizens of Sierra Madre. Goss and Green admitted that they haven't even taken a look at the budget. So does that make them pimps for City Hall?

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    3. Bobbleheads.

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    4. The Bart Doyle Stepford candidates, like Bart, have never seen a tax hike they didn't like.

      Budget? We don't need no stinking budget.

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  24. Would it be OK to write in MaryAnn for Council?

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