Friday, March 7, 2014

The Planning Commission Tells Adele Chang To Bury Her Houses, Says Nothing About Her Being In Them

Of course, it will take a really big shovel
For a while there it looked like we were watching an SMTV3 replay of a Planning Commission meeting from last summer. There was the bizarrely supercilious Adele Chang, along with starchy CETT attorney Dr. Sues (despite criticism from certain quarters we are going to insist on calling him that), just rattling on and on about how their immense cheese box McMansions are actually French Provincial Santa Barbara blah-de-blah and blah blah whatever. All while the gentlemen and lady of the PC, looking like they have just about endured all they are going to take from these fools, and certainly sick of being so ruthlessly patronized, seemingly about to explode. In other words, it really did seem just like a rerun.

But then a magic moment arrived. Upon being told by Dr. Sues that he "couldn't say that" about something, usually properly buttoned up Planning Commission member Manish Desai suddenly exploded and said, "I will say anything I want." And just like that the spell was broken. Adele Chang and Dr. Sues never recovered the control of that meeting they so badly needed to hustle their McBoxes. CETT hirelings, hear Sierra Madre roar.

After that the CETT SET was in complete retreat. Here is how the comments ran on this blog as Adele Chang's case collapsed in ruins around her ears:

AnonymousMarch 6, 2014 at 7:45 PM
It's Adele time! More crappy reconfigurations of the same old McMansions.

AnonymousMarch 6, 2014 at 7:47 PM
Good to see Adele is still talking down to the Planning Commission. That approach has worked so well for her over the last two years.

AnonymousMarch 6, 2014 at 7:51 PM
Adele hasn't made that McMansion any smaller. She has just attempted to disguise it.

AnonymousMarch 6, 2014 at 7:52 PM
It is not a cottage, Adele. It is one hell of a big barn.

AnonymousMarch 6, 2014 at 7:53 PM
She looks like Cruella DeVille.

AnonymousMarch 6, 2014 at 7:56 PM
I think the members of the Planning Commission will be sending a Bromance Bouquet of roses to Johnny Harabedian for hooking them up with another round of romantic evenings with Adele.

AnonymousMarch 6, 2014 at 8:02 PM
It's a whole new stupid approach. Showing pictures of quaint French cottages and claiming her new designs for three car garage McMansions are somehow the same.

AnonymousMarch 6, 2014 at 8:07 PM
Adele designs French cottages that look like an entire city block. Is Napoleon moving to Sierra Madre?

AnonymousMarch 6, 2014 at 8:13 PM
You've missed the point. Adele is a comedian. This is her bit.

AnonymousMarch 6, 2014 at 8:25 PM
John Hutt just told the PC that Adele's French cottages look like minimum security prisons.

AnonymousMarch 6, 2014 at 8:26 PM
He is good. Lose the fake facades. Quit pretending those houses come from France.

And on it went. The CETTlings were tossed, gored and left lying on the floor as a warning to the unwise.

But do you know what was even worse for the CETTs? After having to absorb about 30 minutes of some quite energetic Planning Commission venting, Adele Chang and Dr. Sues then had to hear their solution. And that was they needed to bury their cheesed up big box McMansions in the ground so nobody could see very much of them.

Something certainly not what an architect of Adele's advanced reputation is used to hearing. That isn't how people regard her work in other places (link). Not by a long shot.

Oh, alright. So they didn't say it quite that way. What the Planning Commission did do was revive their year-old "subterranean solution." Something that Adele claimed far too quickly to have not heard about before.

The idea being that CETT would need to bury much of their unseemly McBox "massing" below the ground, and only leave the upper level visible. All while designing that small part in a way that would blend in with the natural ambiance of our hillsides. Kind of like one of the Duck Dynasty guys in a camouflage suit. In other words, the PC told them make their creations as invisible to Sierra Madre as humanly possible.

It gets no better. I don't know how it was at your house, but here the missus and I just laughed and laughed. The best reality TV we've seen in months. It was that funny.

Noah Green gets even more post card criticism

There are some rumblings in the community about just how short a time Noah Green has lived in Sierra Madre. The commonly shared notion being that if someone wants to be elected to our City Council, which is the ultimate governmental authority in town, you need to have been here for at least a little while.

And what has made the situation worse is that on his campaign postcard Noah appears to have tried and airbrush away his unfortunate newbie status. Here is what he says:

Noah married his wife, and the couple moved to Sierra Madre several years ago.

The  Merriam-Webster Dictionary definition of the word "several" goes like this:

sev·er·al - adjective \ˈsev-rəl, ˈse-və-\ : more than two but not very many.

Now this being The Tattler and all, we take this kind of stuff very seriously. Here is what one blog commenter had to say yesterday about this unfortunate situation.

Misrepresentation on a job application or a resume is a serious offense. Can't that get you fired, Mr. Green? Your post card lists you as having lived in Sierra Madre for several years. Were you renting before you bought your Woodland property June 2012? Why does this matter? Because it matters? Yesterday some post asked why it matters? Well, you seriously need some connection with the town you want to represent and that only comes with investing time in the community. Save the fluff. Not interested!

It would seem that Mr. Green has not lived here for the several years he claims. It also appears that he hasn't even been residing in town for a couple of them.

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    1. almost got it through

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    2. Green himself provides all the sleaze we need.

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    3. I have seen the savior of Sierra Madre and his name is "Noah"

      and he's a lawyer too boot

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  2. Off to a great start, Mr. Green Pants

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    1. Noah makes just one bad mistake after another.

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    2. just what we need, another "lawyer" who distorts facts and blathers nonsense

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    3. He is just someone who was never forced to grow up.

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  3. The Planning Commission one more time showed that they care to implement the policies that the residents of Sierra Madre have put in place. They are such a good, steady group of people who really represent the better part of Sierra Madre.

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    1. I don't think Adele and her lawyer could have taken a worse approach to dealing with the Planning Commission last night.

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    2. Agreed. I think it was Caroline Brown who said something about the 30 year effort to get the Hillside Management Zone ordinance in place.
      She really provides the institutional memory at these meetings.

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    3. Caroline Brown made some great points. She speaks for the vast majority here in Sierra Madre.

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  4. CETT's legal mouthpiece seems to offend everybody. How much does he get an hour?

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    1. Maybe that's his specialty. Aggravate courtwards.

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    2. I am past tired of people threatening to sue Sierra Madre for enforcing the conditions it has the right to enforce. There are plenty of things we have to roll over on for the state, but dammit, there are a few rights left.

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    3. 6:32, Hire him, and he'll make sure your case ends up in court?

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    4. I don't think that attorney is A-list. If CETT decides to take this to court, the first indication we will see is a new lawyer.

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  5. Thank God somebody stands up to the MacMansionizers.
    Those big things are ok here and there, but not in a clump. Then we really would be little Arcadia. But without their good schools, or water.

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    1. If the city doesn't defend our laws, then what good are they?

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  6. The best line of the night was when the applicant's architect explained that they had cut the size by "inches". No kidding.

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    1. 12,000 inches cut would be an improvement.

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  7. The thing that makes Sierra Madre unique, and valuable, is that we are not like all the places around us - we are not over developed and too crowded and full of junky mansions. I know there are people who post on the Tattler who complain about some of the disrepair homes can get in here, but really, it's a strength of ours that we are architectural and economically diverse. That's what makes it a true small town, and a rarity. Increasingly rare. There's great value in that.

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    1. I'm one of those that agrees that there are too many homes in SM owned by a legacy of generations of family passing their homes down to offspring with extremely limited incomes that could never afford to buy here under current market conditions. Hence, they don't have the resources to maintain the homes properly, and they fall into disrepair. Given that we are living in dynamic times in which nothing remains the same, change is going to inevitably occur. I'm personally in favor of Chang's Mcmansions over dilapidated, run down eyesores. Lesser of two evils by quite a margin. Inability to accept change can be a serious weakness, and there's an epidemic of it in this town, and it's usually fostered by those with the limited resources.

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    2. Have you ever cooked and eaten any of your neighbor's pets?

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    3. Good point 10:09...I love it.

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    4. Such horrible arrogance, 10:05. If you want class homogeniety, move to North Korea.

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    5. Move to San Marino. Then you won't have to put up with any multi-generational Sierra Madrean riffraff.
      Who the hell do you think built this town?

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    6. 10:05, what is wrong with Sierra Madre is that people like you started moving in.

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  8. This is really getting to be a farce. Isn't the definition of insanity that you keep doing the same thing and expect a different result. We should give them a time limit to present their changes and then exlain very briefly if it doesn't meet our building rules. We shouldn't spend hours with these people. Its a waste of the planning commission's time and the residents who have to show up to these meetings and beat this thing back,. Maybe we should pass a rule that they are allowed three bites at the apple. If they can't get it right, you lose your building opportunity.

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    1. I only saw the last part of the meeting, but didn't it end that way? If the applicant will change, they can come back with the new stuff?

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    2. I think they need to show the planning commission that they're willing to build partially underground bunkers.

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    3. Underground is a win-win. They get a bunch of house, we get a more human sized building in the hills.
      The planning commission came up with that a long time ago. The owners just don't want to spend the money.
      Penny wise pound foolish.
      If they would have listened and taken the commissioners advice, they could have been building already.

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  9. Adel's fatal flaw: she suffers from like of insight with a side order of greed. You know they are all just trying to make money.

    Someone call he on the phone and offer to take her on a ride around town to look at houses here and there that would really be good on those foothill lots. She does not have the advantage of perspective to know that four of the main areas of a large number of house all chugging up the hillsides were the triggers for the hillside ordinance (I know nice people that live in those 1970's developments and they would agree wtih me that if they were in the down hill established part of town they would have protested the bulding of those "tract" areas then, too).

    And she could also take a look at what passes for big houses that "fit" by taking a look at Mamouth, June, Big Bear. She could do that here as we have several of that type around here.

    So sorry that this is not what her clients want as what they want is so very wrong for the hillsides of Sierra Madre.

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    1. Ms. Chang was given the advice to drive around Sierra Madre to notice the variety in housing, but what she heard was drive around Sierra Madre looking for big houses and make a power point about it.

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  10. So if they bury these things, should they change the name of Stonegate to Bunker Hill?

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  11. I hope the folks over at Mater Dolorosa watched that circus to know what they are up against if they try to pull the same thing. People don't want McMansions. In fact, we should declare a moratorium on all development until we get things figured out. Despite the recent rains, there is a water crises. We want to rely on our own water and not be forced into permanently using that dirty, yellow water from the Metropolitian Water District.

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  12. Noah Green will evidently do or say anythng to get elected including misrepresenting how long he has lived in Sierra Madre. You can bet some thought went into how to get around the issue of his short tenure in Sierra Madre and how to word it in his campaign literature. He settled on subterfuge. Since Mr. Green is a lawyer he also knows that how long a candidate has lived in the community is very important for voters to know and is a material fact. To deliberately mislead the voters of Sierra Madre should disqualifty him as a candiate for City Council.

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    1. And to photo shop out police officers badges in order to use the officers in campaign literature should have taken Harabedian out of the last council race. More deliberate misleading. But that doesn't seem to make a difference to the Sierra Madre voters.

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    2. Why won't the City schedule the League of Women Voters debates? What is Elaine afraid of?

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    3. let's not forget another lawyer who borrowed a dog for his campaign photo so he'd look political, Joe Mosca

      a common thread among those with questionable ethics is that they are all lawyers

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  13. Don't forget, if these quarter pounders with cheese don't get built, our money pit of a city hall leaves $1.1 million in development impact fees on the table. Or $43,000 in impact fees per each of the 27 planned mega-cottages. If you think we're not going to see some pressure from that quarter to get these things built, then you are sadly mistaken.

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    1. There is plenty of money to be made without turning Carter into a heap of starter castles.

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    2. "It is always about the money." ™

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    3. Absolutely, about the money, even if they deny it, it still is all about the money.

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  14. Watching Adele talk about basements counting toward square foot limits
    And seeing L Cardoza shaking her head knowing that Adele was lying was the best part of the show

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    1. Adele wasn't fooling anybody last night. She has become completely ineffective.

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    2. Cardosa is one of the few staff members who really knows her job.

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    3. Chang was expansive "We'll do this style if you want, or that style if you want."
      (But we won't make it smaller, which is the main thing you have asked us to do.)

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    4. A yellow happy face on the roof would be nice. That way we won't worry and be happy.

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  15. So how many more hours are the city staff and the planning commissioners supposed to put in on this one developer?

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    1. Considering there is $1.1 million dollars at stake, the city will give this as much time as it takes to make it happen.

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  16. According to Los Angeles County voter registration records, Noah Green registered to vote in Sierra Madre on October 4, 2012, presumably so he could vote for Obama in the Presidential election since Noah is a left-wing Democrat.

    Noah pulled papers to run for Sierra Madre City Council in December 2013. Thus, Noah registered to vote in Sierra Madre just 14 months before he decided to seek office here.

    Because Noah Green wasn't registered to vote here until October 4, 2012, Noah Green has never voted in a Sierra Madre election.

    Prior to the 2012 Obama election, Noah had not voted since 2008.

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    1. A voting record like that shows that he has never been engaged with local government issues before.

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    2. yeah, but he's a lawyer and that is all we need to know

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    3. Noah reminds me of Joe Mosca. Has been saying whatever he needs to say to get elected and assumes that Sierra Madre is a springboard for his law practice or political aspirations.

      He wants to be somebody desperately.

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    4. Joe was a recent arrival when he ran, too.

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    5. I'm a left wing democrat that voted twice for Obama. I've lived in Sierra Madre for almost 40 years. I don't want any come lately lawyer on the CC. I like our town the way it is. I don't want McMansions or super development in our town. We will vote no on the UUT, and not vote for Noah. You right wing tea party folks remember that you also need the votes from the lefties... Obama has nothing to do with Noah. And if you can't see that, and are deeply intrenched in your narrow view, we won't get anything good done for Sierra Madre.

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    6. I think the point was that Noah's strongly held partisan political ideology drove him to register and vote in a national election but Noah has no history of community service in local government like Arizmendi (Community Services Commission), Delmar (General Plan Update Committee) or Goss (Library Board).

      Oh wait, Noah was on the City's UUT Oversight Committee where he recommended raising local taxes. I'm not sure if that qualifies as "community service".

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    7. Good post 11:01

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    8. 9:56 "He wants to be someone desperately."

      Noah is someone, 9:56. He is the guy with the bizarre naked Facebook selfies that all the town is talking about.

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    9. The office of City Council is a non-partisan position, so party affiliation has nothing to do with a person's qualifications to run for the job. That being said, Noah doesn't appear to understand or know about the real issues of the city, and couldn't know after being a resident for such a short time. He has only been to City Council meetings since he filed except to make an announcement for activities of the Chamber. The question is why is he running? Seems suspect to me.

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    10. Noah is a bobblehead. Brought in to stooge for soon to be Mayor Harabedian.

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    11. Why is he running?....because he can, you can run, I can run, she can run, he can run. It's called The United States of America, you have every right to run for political office no matter your agenda(s). If you succeed is another matter all together different than "why".

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    12. 9:42's post is spot on. I don't care what Noah's political ideology is or is not; the man has not been in Sierra Madre long enough to be a representative of the people on the council. Maybe he should try again in 4 -5 years. I mean, he loves this town.

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    13. Are we allowed to laugh at the mannequin picture?

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    14. 10:33, point taken. On a larger note, Green's lack of voting since 2008 until the 2012 General election shows a total disengagement in local politics. That would include city races (wherever he lived), school board and lots of ballot propositions.

      In short, "Where Was Noah?"

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  17. I could have sworn I've seen Noah helping out at 6 am with the Wisteria Festival, chalking the Little League field, working the trail during the Mt Wilson race, volunteering at the Senior Center, plugging flowers on the Rose Float for 34 hours in a week....etc

    oh wait, that was some other "townie" and not Noah - he just seeks out grandstanding wannabee positions like so many other Council candidates in the past

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  18. You people are a bunch of ingrates.

    Personally, I am thankful that Noah has come from out of town to lend his leadership to the platoon.

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    1. Yes sir! What a country.

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    2. just another lawyer who doesn't mind shading the truth

      what's a little dishonesty amongst us lawyers anyway?

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  19. 10:17 leadership is important. The right leadership is most important. The important leadership is for the town not anything or anyone else. Sierra Madre can not afford leadership with the wrong motives and it looks like your man is with the wrong motives group. Everyone needs to know the history of how Sierra Madre has been fighting for our preservation. We just want to preserve our town and precious water and look what has happened to our water. When you know the facts it's hard to vote for someone who doesn't know the facts.

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    1. 12:03, great words - but I do think 10:17 was joking.

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  20. "Every decent man is ashamed of the government he lives under." - Henry Luis Mencken

    It should read.."Every decent man is responsible for the government he lives under"....the first one is a cop out, sorry Hank.

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    1. Maybe if he is ashamed enough, he'll get responsible?

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    2. I am sorry, but Sierra Madre's government is not my responsibility. My candidates lost. City Hall did it all by themselves. Most of us are just the victims.

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    3. I appreciate what Don Watts said he learned when he was running for council:
      Everyone thinks government is someone else. It's not.

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    4. Don said that? Usually he was so smart. Exclusionary government exists. Especially in this town.

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  21. Article up on the Star News website about Sierra Madre's April election. Noah is asked about the rude Facebook pics, and a link back to their original article on the scandal is provided. A link to The Tattler provided there.
    http://www.pasadenastarnews.com/government-and-politics/20140306/hopefuls-vying-for-4-empty-seats-on-sierra-madre-city-council

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    1. The legend of Noah Pants continues to grow.

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    2. Green says he "lets it all hang out."
      Oh dear.

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    3. Think of all the money he saves on laundry.

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    4. The fellow is certainly his own worst enemy.

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    5. The crazy thing is he doesn't know how bad those pictures really are in the eyes of many voters. Instead he says it was just a few photos. No apologies, no recognition that maybe it wasn't such a smart thing to post them live on the internet. Just that there was only a few of them.

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    6. Maybe he doesn't know what the voters think of those pictures because he doesn't vote.

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    7. After the Facebook pictures we saw, what the h*ll were the "200" pictures he deleted about? Yikes.

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    8. All of that should have been done long before he ran for office. Very poor judgement.

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  22. MisRepresenter Green: You are not expected to have been registered to vote here in Sierra Madre where you lived for "several" years because you cannot register to vote in a city you do not live in. You registered to vote in Sierra Madre in October 2012 because shortly before that (June 2012) you bought a home in the canyon. It is understandable that you have not gotten involved in local affairs, you are a young guy, pollishing your career start, battling it out in the work traffice to and from your law office. This so-called volunteer work you did on the UUT oversight committee couldn't have been too big a burden out of your busy work day, it was not long-lived (I will have to go look up when it was disbanded). So, again, we do care about established roots in the community because we were burned by one of the biggest MisRepresenters of all time. But of course, you wouldn't know much about that--you weren't here.

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    1. The UUT over-site committee spends one meeting on the Brown Act and maybe two meetings agreeing the city spent the money. 6 hours at most.

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