Wednesday, May 28, 2014

General Plan Build Out Numbers Dominated This City Council Meeting

Built out lumber
(Mod: I decided to write this post point by point at the meeting. I needed to use City Hall's wifi as I don't have any at home right now.) 

1) The meeting got off to a robust start as a resident explained how voting made her tired, and could the City Council please take this heavy load off the shoulders of the poor overburdened residents of Sierra MadreMayor Harabedian replied that such a thing would be possible if the City Council decided to make it so. Of course, it would mean the end of Sierra Madre's colorful locals only elections as everything would get lumped in with all that awful state and federal slop. Maybe the purpose is to dilute the influence of a certain portion of this town's motivated electorate? People who only vote during presidential election years generally know nothing about local issues, and are more likely to vote for taxes.

2) Great comments from Matt Bryant about the secretive meetings taking place with the Mater Dolorosa  developer, New Urban West, and City Staff. Matt went on to ask if these meetings could take place in public since they would affect so many of those in the community. People who are not likely to be offered fresh crumpets and coffee in the City Manager's office. Mayor Harabedian weighed in by saying Matt's comment was not given at the appropriate time. No comment on any secret meetings, however. He didn't seem to want to go there.

3) Danny Castro rose to speak at the podium about the definition of a bedroom. I would have thought that a bedroom would be any room you might fall asleep in, but planners are never quite that practical. On the surface of things this reminded me a bit of the Kensington debate over what differentiates a unit from a suite. I was prepared to get sore about it, but apparently this is not really a bad thing. In the coming wave of potential high density community destruction in Sierra Madre, parking will be difficult for developers to provide. Closely defining bedrooms could mean developers will struggle to accommodate the amount of parking all those new cars will need. Mayor Pro Tem Capoccia chimed in about the effect this might have on impact fees. Which, in my opinion, are quickly becoming the new UUT.

4) The UUT Oversight Committee took about 3 minutes at the podium. The City tried hard, but couldn't get rid of this committee a few months ago because it was put into place by the voters. People who were told the UUTOC would matter and protect their stake in the draconian 2008 utility tax increases. It didn't. All we got out of it was years of absurdly high utility taxes and a yearly UUT fan dance by well meaning but largely naive committee volunteers. I number among them.

5) Item #4, the General Plan Build Out numbers, arose from the Development Services crypt. Danny Castro kinda fumbled around with this for a bit, all under the very watchful eye of the City Manager. Rachelle Arizmendi and Denise Delmar both brought up the very good point that those arbitrary 60 Mater Dolorosa McMonster units should not be included in any General Plan equation because that site is not zoned residential.

Councilmember Goss asked whether the 60 Mater Dolorosa McMansions penciled into Danny's edgy EIR documents would harm the city should the New Urban West lawyers decide to go after us someday. The City Attorney said absolutely not, but who believes her? Would you buy a used car from a Colantuono attorney?

MaryAnn MacGillivray informed the City Council that putting the EIR before the General Plan was "bass akwards." As usual, MaryAnn laid it out in a remarkable way. Her main point being the people spoke up during the General Plan run up, and what they wanted was slow and gradual growth. Not an explosion of McMansions at Mater Dolorosa, One Carter and Stonegate. Or ridiculous planner gibberish, for that matter.

6) Many residents came up to the podium and made impassioned speeches about the impending huge growth of development in this town. The City Council looked a little taken aback at the force of the conviction of those who spoke. It was an impressive turnout, and resident speechmaking carried the day. The City Council backtracked and did not vote on the numbers as presented in these general plan build out numbers.

7) My one disappointment is the City Council or City Staff did not discuss the "secret meeting" it had with New Urban West. Despite being asked that question directly by two concerned residents, and more than once by one of them. No one at the dais uttered a word. I guess they didn't want to have to verify that claim.

For the record, and since The Tattler was mentioned, the following is from the City Manager's Report that was released over the weekend. The intended audience being the City Council.

UPDATE REGARDING MATER DOLOROSA PASSIONIST RETREAT CENTER
Jerry Pearson, Cameron Thornton, and representatives from New Urban West met with City staff this week regarding their future plans for the development of the lower portion of the Mater Dolorosa property into single-family residential development. They informed staff that an agreement has been signed with New Urban West to develop the site, and that New Urban West will begin “due diligence” starting in June, and will begin community outreach in June - meeting with neighbors door-to-door, contacting stakeholders as well as Planning Commissioners and City Councilmembers to introduce themselves. New Urban West anticipates an application submittal by Fall of this year.

Did you get an invitation to that meeting? Did you get yours for the meeting scheduled for tomorrow? Neither did I. No crumpets for us.

8) The San Gabriel Valley National Recreation Area came up for consideration. Why would we want to give the Feds any more control over our mountains than they already have? Parks are nice and all, but what would the consequences be? Why would we want to give up control over a portion of Sierra Madre's jurisdiction to what might turn out to be some Federal boondoggle? The trust is no longer there as far as I am concerned. Government is not the solution to everything. Quite the opposite if you think about it.

Many spoke. It is a big issue and one that many feel strongly about.

At this point I got up and left for home. I have an early day and need the sleep.

Fill in the blanks if you wish. Or not.

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129 comments:

  1. Thanks, John
    Big Government is always the problem, never the solution!

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    1. Little governments can be a problem as well. As we saw last night.

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    2. Unfortunately since the Bart Doyle invasion of our city politics, our "little" government has taken on the destructive politics of Sacramento big government, they live by that code. With the exception of the two years that Kurt Zimmerman, Don Watts, and MaryAnn MacGillivfray had the council majority...we have been under attack.

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    3. I saw no problems last night thought it was a good meeting. I think we are kind of pushing it with the "secret meetings" though. Any business has the obligation to meet with city officials to discuss their plans/efforts/concerns without announcing it to the public.

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    4. Obviously you are new to all this. I don't trust city hall and I believe they are fully capable of selling us out in a heartbeat.

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    5. Obviously from a narrow minded perspective.
      Perhaps you expect an invitation to every meeting anyone that works for us (the city) has?
      Just because it's not announced doesn't mean it's a clandestine secret meeting. Anyone may walk into City Hall and speak to officials. This is America....

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    6. Sorry Happy, but it was a secret meeting. And speaking of America, maybe you should bone up on that freedom of speech thing. You know, where a secret meeting with a developer can be called a secret meeting with a developer.

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    7. Both things are true - it is absolutely the 'process as usual' for the developers to spend lots of time with city staff and any elected or appointed officials they can snag, and it is secret and corrupt.
      Once they lock in the number of staff and officials, they proceed to the public, confident, full sales mojo working, and that way they don't really care or hear what the public says.

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    8. Any city council member who votes to change Mater Dolorosa's zoning needs to face a recall. Period. No exceptions.

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    9. I don't think anybody was talking about "secret meetings" with city staff. They are allowed to speak to city staff as much as they want. We are talking about private meetings with the City Council members. Under the Brown Act, you can't poll the council members individually about how they will vote on an issue. You can imagine that the "introductory" meetings with the Developer would go well beyond just saying Hello.

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    10. I think this is one of the best City Council's we could have hoped for. Harabedian runs a good fair meeting and is not in any way heavy-handed. Delmar is a rising star as is Arizmendi. I think Goss will surprise us to and I think Capoccia showed signs of returning to normal. All in all, I think developers are going to face a tough road with this Council

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    11. The developer's strategy is to do a quick due diligence before spending any money to evaluate the opposition. They will move forward if the majority of the members of the City Council, planning commission and neighbors appear to be receptive or "open-minded" to a development up there. We can stop this thing in its tracks by presenting a united front and holding firm that with the water shortage and other issues, we don't want a housing project up there.

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    12. Tax me, Goose!

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    13. I don't trust that lawyer to give the city good legal advice if needed. Dare I even ask if she lives in the city or not?

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  2. Open House at the Angeles National Forest Headquarters

    Forest Community Forum
    6.p.m. - 8:30 p.m.
    Wednesday May 28,2014
    701 N. Santa Anita Ave, Arcadia, CA 91006

    The Sierra Madre Mountain Conservancy will be hosting an information "booth" at this event and we would like the residents of Sierra Madre to attend. Supports the National Forest will be there and you will meet many groups that have been instrumental in helping the Angeles National Forest recover after the Station Fire

    Hope to see you there!
    Caroline Brown, President, Sierra Madre Mountain Conservancy

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  3. With the brief introduction at last night's City Council meeting I can understand why there is so much confusion and misunderstanding as to what the National Recreation Areas are and what it means for the cities along the foothills of the San Gabriel Mountains. This study has been going on since 2003 and is in draft form which was under discussion last night.

    There are many National Recreation Areas in California. The closest one to us is the Santa Monica Mountains National Recreation Area established in 1973. I am sure many of the Tattler readers have visited many National Parks, or supported the creation of the newest one, Joshua Tree National Park, as well as many National Monuments.

    Take a look at the website for the Santa Monica Mountains National Recreation Area to get a better picture of the many possiblities for our area. Also, read the draft to see that local jurisdiction will never be relinquished! You can see that in the many communities that surround the Santa Monica Mountains that have benefited over the last four decades.

    I have listed the following websites that will help the Tattler readers better appreciate these efforts:

    www.LAMountains.com
    www.nps.gov/samo
    www.parks.ca.gov
    www.mrca.ca.gov
    www.smmc.ca.gov

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  4. It was a good turnout with alot of residents speaking from the heart about wanting to preserve this liitle oasis we have here in the San Gabriel Valley. The Tattler identified most of the speakers by name.. Someone whose last name is Gold I believe spoke up at the Planning Commission and last night and was excellent. So was Heather Allen I believe who is also colorful and passionate whenever she speaks. If Mater Dolorosa and the Developer think that we are going to roll over on them, I think they just got a wake-up call.

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    1. Heather Allen is a great speaker. She really knows her stuff.

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    2. Just in case any of the newer residents haven't seen Heather in action before, check out the brilliant speech she made to a traitorous ex-council member.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ID7Rd0B4M74&index=11&list=PLCF6280E6D3C27C8D

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    3. Heather Allen is my hero. She gets up there and always gets people's attention. I love her. If she reads this, THANK YOU!

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    4. I'm glad Heather Allen is on our team. She is awesome!

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    5. MaryAnn MacGillivary is so good that we take her for granted. When she walks up to the podium, you know powerful and persuasive arguments are going to come out of her mouth.

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    6. I miss Mary Ann. Funny that the people who helped her lose by way of that smear campaign in 2012 are the ones crying against development now.

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    7. Thank you for your kind words. Your positive feedback is appreciated!

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    8. Yes, thank you Mary Ann. I appreciate all your efforts. I am still pondering your words spoken on Memorial Day......freedoms, thank a soldier. Thanks to Duncan too!

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    9. Thank you to you Heather for caring about your neighbors.

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    10. I loved Heather's comment about city staff not living in the city and having to deal with the yellow water.

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  5. I don't like the Federal Government sticking there noses in anything but in terms of preserving places like Yosemite or other jewels of the nation, they have done a few good things. Imagine if Yosemite was left vulnerable to development. LIkewise, there are a few good things, very few mind you, that government can help with. This may be one of them.

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  6. I think that the Developer for the Monastery underestimated what they would unleash when they signed a contract with Mater Dolorosa.

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    1. New Urban West just walked into a buzzsaw.

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    2. If New Urban West thought the residents of Burbank were tough, I've got news for them. They ain't seen nothing yet!

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    3. If the people can stay organized and focused, we can beat back these developers. We had good participation last night. Can you imagine if we had even 5 or 10 people more speaking up? What an impact that would have.

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    4. Remember folks. Its not just about the Monastery. One Carter and Stonehouse also need our help. Let's work together and help our neighbors wherever they may live in Sierra Madre. We are all one community and we all want to preserve this town and I mean every part of this town.

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    5. We also need to push for a building moratorium. We really need a time out so that we can make sure there are no loopholes in the zoning laws or the general plan for developers to exploit.

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  7. I think the City Council has only seen the tip of the iceberg in terms of the outcry from residents about over-development. If the Developer is able and willing to get to a point of submitting an actual plan, then it will really his home to the residents about not wanting to see the Monastery property developed.

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    1. cept I know 4 families that were anti Measure V cause it wasn't n their backyard and now that Mater Dolorosa is in their back yard, they are no up in arms

      for those 4 families, I sincerely hope that the buildling just ruins their area and tranquility cause they sure didn't care about mine living a block from downtown

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    2. I've been in more than one of these battles, and I do so understand that bitterness, in fact share it - but it's just human nature. Until a person's own area is threatened, he or she can ignore what's going on.
      Hopefully all this concern about the monastery will motivate a few more people to participate over the long haul and for areas that aren't immediately next to them.

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    3. I also understand the bitterness, but let's try our best to put that behind us and try to preserve the threats to our small town from over-development that is going to continue to erupt at Mater Dolorosa and elsewhere. We need to band together and say enough is enough.

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    4. Its surprising that so many people are speaking out. I can only imaging the uproar when residents see the actual plan including where they will carve out the second ingress/egress point from the Monastery. Sunnyside will become a highway and Crestvale or Grove will really be altered.

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    5. It should not be about whether its it your backyard or not. That is hyprocritical. Either you are for over-development or against it. Either you want to preserve Sierra Madre or you don't People need to be consistent with whatever their principles are and be called to task if they are not.

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    6. Sierra Madre is under assualt in so many different ways from developers that it does not matter about one project or another. This is about all projects and all development in the city right. We need a moritorium - not a permanent one mind you - but just to scrutinize everything so that as city councils and planning commissions come and go, they don't have the discretion to do something contrary to what the residents want. That's really what it comes down to. Even ctiy staff can be curtailed if our general plan and zoning laws are air tight.

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  8. Mater Dolorosa should have given the Coalition a chance to get the money to buy the property. They must be kicking themselves now but I guess its not too late.

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    1. From the looks of things, the folks at Mater Dolorosa never intended to give the Coalition a chance, they were just placating them while they were negotiating with the developer. More underhanded dealings with the City and the Church. Who can trust the church at this point?

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    2. don't give up now. My guess is that if you came up with enough money, they would talk with you. cold, hard, cash works wonders.

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    3. The developer must now have almost like an option to buy this property pending their due diligence. Until the developer walks away, our hands are tied.

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    4. The folks at Mater Dolorosa sadly are only in it for the money. I'm surprised the priests would want to forfeit their mission in exchange for their own retirements.

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    5. Mater Dolorosa yard signs continue to be stolen. If anyone sees or knows anything, please let the coalition know. A police report is going to be filed. For example, the signs have been repeatedly stolen at Michillinda and Grandview and at Sunnyside and Sierra Madre Blvd near the bus stop. I wish I could catch the scroundrels who are doing this.

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  9. I would hope that the City Manger and Director of Development are getting it through their heads that we would rather pay them to preserve this little town and control growth not promote and facilitate growth.

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    1. If they cannot find it in themselves to do that we need to replace them with people who can.

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    2. they dont care cause they are just like those before them, just looking to pad their resume and work on projects so they can go work at a larger cty

      we really need a new city manager and we dont need a director of development, it's our city, not their city

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    3. I think they all understand now. It would be crazy for them to undermine the will of the community. If we keep the pressure on, they will have no choice but to toe the line.

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    4. A Director of Development in a city that wants to retain its small-town atmosphere. That department should be disbanded.

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  10. I would like to hear one person explain how over-development is good for Sierra Madre and just one person who tells us openly that they would like Sierra Madre to look like Arcadia.

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    1. Of course they won't sayt it like that. It comes in this kind of babble:
      You no growth people don't understand we need the money.
      Change is inevitable, so get with it.
      Development brings a healthy economy.

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    2. if you want to hear that, talk to one of our realtors or especially the Arcadia Realtors Association

      realtors along with the big banks almost ruined our economy cause they were at the front lines overselling and being slimy

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    3. If development brings a health economy, why does hardly anyone want to live in Palmdale or Moreno Valley?

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    4. I'm still waiting for someone to tell me why we want to look like Arcadia.

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    5. The realtors are waiting like vultures on the Monastery Project. They will sell out this town for a commission at every chance they get. Show me a realtor pushing preservation.

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  11. Thanks to the Tattler for being the only source for current and up-to-date news about over-development in Sierra Madre. While I think we can win the battle. I would guarantee it if Crawford was continuing to live in Sierra Madre. I guess we all just have to work a little harder.

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    1. I say Thank God, too!

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    2. At this critical juncture in the history of Sierra Madre, the Tattler is needed more than ever. Think about it. Where would you get the latest news this quickly. Crawford's a one-man gang. If he doesn't have a staff of 10 people helping him do this every day, then I would have to question whether he is even human.

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    3. He is not human. He can't be. How do raise a family, have a full-time job and then have the time to do what he does with the Tattler on the side. To say its extraordinary is an understatement. What kind of person cares this much about our town to do this? I don't know the answer but I can tell you that if we had a few more John Crawford's around, we wouldn't keep getting in these messes in the first place.

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  12. Anybody getting a read on Goss yet? I think he is desperate to please, but doesn't quite know how to do that yet.

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    1. I am surprised and very happy about his choice regarding the build out numbers.

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    2. I'd be happier with him if he matched my build out figure. Which is zero.

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    3. Agreed 8:31. I am not at all sure that the obvious support of slow growth from the council last night will remain the majority opinion. I am sure of Delmar and Arizmendi holding true to their campaign promises.

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    4. I think Harabedian and Capoccia were stunned by the strength of the opposition last night. As a long time slow growther I can't begin to tell you how impressed I am with the Mater Dolorosa group. They are such a breathe of fresh air. There is new energy in this old town today. It is so great to see.

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    5. of course Goss is desperate to please, he was one of those while running that would say whatever you wanted to hear - came in last place in the previous election and got elected this time cause we had slim pickings to choose from

      instead of Goss handing out grades to his political science students at Long Beach City College, he is the one being graded by us

      so far, I give him a D- but he is a step up from Walsh and Moran

      what the Council needs to understand, we really dont' care about their opinions, we want them to listen to us

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    6. Gene Goss looks and acts like he's afraid to be up on the dais.

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    7. Give Goss and Harabedian a chance. After observing them and Capoccia last night, they may surprise us. I think Gene is going to turn out ok. Everybody up there seemed ot be taking their job very seriously.

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    8. I'm more than willing to give Goss a chance - I agree with you. But Harabedian? I don't trust him one bit. But if it's 4 to 1, no big deal.

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    9. This is a strong City Council. While no one is perfect, I have every confidence they will do the right thing and implement the will of the people.

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    10. All this Council needs is the threat of being sued and they'll fold like a cheap suit.

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    11. I don't know anything about the attorney who sits there but she doesn't instill any confidence for me.

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    12. Just because Goss may not say much, doesn't mean he's not paying attention. I would rather have someone like him than some loudmouth who talks too much.

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  13. Thank you, John Crawford, it's people like you who will save Sierra Madre!!!

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    1. Its difficult to put into words what one person - John Crawford has done for this community. I think he should beat out Neil the Pig for Citizen of the Year.

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  14. There are still so many people I know in Sierra Madre who don't know much about the whole monastery debate. I think if they did know the whole story there would be more citizens at city meetings..Knowledge is power... As far as city councel being more forthcoming about their meeting with New West Development, they might as well get it over with and give us the info we need ..Eventually they will have to face the music..

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    1. More people will come around. If we keep making the meetings exciting, then people will want to be a part of it. Happened that way with Measure V.

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    2. When there is a decisive meeting, when the council is going to say yes or no to something, people will come. Every meeting? Not gonna happen.

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    3. We need to pick our spots.

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    4. I agree that even though we know the people are with us, we need to be very selective in when to request their attendance at a meeting. We're in this for the long haul and we don't want to burn anybody out.

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    5. The word is getting out slowly but surely.

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  15. Thank you Caroline Brown for all the info you gave and for making things a liitle clearer on Mountain Conservancy which is a little confusing.. That being said it would be good to know how this bill would impact our neighborhood and can Sierra Madre folks take care of their own trails and woodland areas.

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    1. Will they start selling "Adventure Passes" at the Bottle Shop?

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    2. will you need an adventure pass to get into the Buc? URP!

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    3. I don't have any pants on, townies!

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  16. I didn't see the whole meeting, so need to ask, didn't anyone ever answer about the secret meetings?

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    1. Not that I saw. Two different speakers raised that matter, and neither got an answer. I think the city got caught out on this one, and decided that any discussion on their part would only make things worse.

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    2. City Hall does not acknowledge its mistakes. Nor does it ever apologize.

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  17. WHEN IS THE CITY COUNCIL GOING TOI WISE UP and give Elaine - Bruce - Karin "the boot"?

    We need forward thinkers, not continued rate increases!

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  18. We need Karen, she is a wealth of information and really knows what she is talking about. If she could get out from under Elaine, she would be fine.

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    1. I think Danny wishes he could work for a slow growth Sierra Madre. The problem in the City Manager. Interesting moment last night. Mayor Johnny admonished a speaker for blaming City Staff, saying that if any blame is to be assigned it must go to the City Council. They call the shots, staff only does as ordered. So these private meetings with New Urban West are his idea?

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    2. The council did tell Danny (or as they like to do it, "staff") to find more numbers. The numbers he found were staff's. I'd say they were both wrong.

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    3. Watch out for the "compromise number."

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    4. I think it was made clear at the meeting that unless it's the number that was originally worked out by the residents, it will not be an accurate general plan.
      Anybody want to start the whole GP thing over again?

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    5. The "Staff" often times works at cross-purposes to what the residents want. They want the coffers to be flush with cash so that they can get higher salaries and pensions. They also want to pad their resume's with big projects that they were instrumental in getting built which are useful when they interview for a higher paying job in another city. The problem is that the residents don't want big projects in Sierra Madre. We want to retain the small-town atmosphere.

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    6. The City Council should be the brain. The City Staff should be the right hand that does the council's bidding. Ctiy Staff should not set the agenda. A passive council allows that to happen. I see this City Council as being anything but passive.

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    7. Elaine must be hating life.

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    8. The city manager is adaptable. My impression is that she's a clever person in terms of her own survival.

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  19. Does anyone know when KGEM will post last night's meeting to their website? I would like to watch the rerun and I noticed it wasn't available yet. Thanks.

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    1. KGEM posts the schedule
      http://kgem.tv/schedule/

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    2. Thanks, 11:33.

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    3. 10:09 .... I think, or at least hope, that when Goss hears a smart / good idea that he is not afraid to agree and at least give it a good look. I'm giving the man that benefit, let's wait to see and not judge him so quickly. I'm sure if you wanted him to bring other ideas to the table he can ask his Edison friend for some ideas. Come on now, give the man a chance, he was voted in because he says he cares about Sierra Madre,

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    4. Every candidate who runs for office here says he cares for Sierra Madre. It is like kissing babies, all the pols have to do it.

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    5. and Joe Mosca, John Buchanan, Rob Stockly, Bart Doyle, Josh Moran they all loved Sierra Madre also

      they just loved for it to change to benefit themselves or their employer

      oh yeah, then there was Noah Green who lived here 18 months and loved the city so much he wanted to get elected to Council cause we needed his vision and he also loved a new change in direction

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    6. the problem, 12:35, is that Goss wouldn't know a good idea if it came up and shook hands with him.

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    7. or bit him on the butt.

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    8. I agree give Goss a chance. He seems earnest and sincere. Now if he starts to go sideways as Capoccia started to do, that's one thing. Then he's fair game. But for right now, he's a Sierra Madre resident, raised kids in this town, cares about what happens at Mater Dolorosa and seems to want to listen.

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    9. If Goss keeps standing up for preservation like he did last night, I have nothing bad to say about him.

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    10. Give Goss time, he'll screw up. Comes with not having any strong beliefs - like how he said whatever the listener wanted to hear during the election - anything for a vote.

      By the way, Gene, is the PD/FD answering 911 calls since UUT failed? You said that we'd have "unanswered 911 calls" if the UUT went down.

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    11. I hear the Library is closing. No, really. Well, ok, maybe not.

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  20. why do basically failed lawyers cop an attitude?

    Harabedian has the same borish obnixous condesending attitude as John Buchanan used while on the Council

    please people, never vote for another lawyer on the Council, unless Kurt Zimmerman moved back

    lawyers who want to play politician are dangerous to our community, it's time to stop them and shut them up from being on the Council

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    1. Harabedian did not seem heavy-handed in any way at the meeting and let people go beyond the time allowed to speak. He may surprise us too if we give him a chance.

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    2. Whether he does or not doesn't really matter.
      It looks like the people who want to maintain and keep Sierra Madre unique are in the majority.

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  21. For people who enjoy this sort of thing, traffic from China over the last hour or so has been almost equal to US traffic. Seems to happen anytime Mater Dolorosa is discussed. Perhaps New Urban West has investors?

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    1. Huh. That would explain it.

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    2. Thanks Mod,
      Very interesting to know about China traffic.

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    3. There must be some explanation for such a noticeable change. We know its a status symbol to own new homes. They must be salivating at the chance to have their own community up there at Mater Dolorosa. It would be almost like a separate district like that project in Arcadia. If you gate it off then they can keep the townies out.

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    4. Stonehouse and Carter are looking to be the same thing, 2:39.

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    5. This is how communities start to fragment. We should all just mix together and not have one ethnic group lumped into one area.

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  22. I would like to believe that Harabedian and Goss will work to defend Sierra Madre, but I don't think that is the case. Both are union guys, Harabedian because it will help his political career in heavily Democratic LA County, Goss because of his pro-labor activities at that community college he teaches for in Long Beach. This city's cash crunch is mostly due to its union negotiated pension and benefit deals. With the defeat of Measure UUT the only other place they have to turn is development impact fees. In the end that is what both of these councilmen will want. We'll get boatloads of empathy and various passive aggressive ploys, but the final result will show them siding with the developers. That is where the money is.

    I hope they prove me wrong, but I doubt it.

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    1. I hope you are wrong, but I'm taking a wait and see attitude and give them the benefit of the doubt.

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  23. Johnny Process and Goose Goss (in unison):
    "Show Me The Money!!!"

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  24. I tuned in for tonight's replay of the meeting but it is not airing. Does anyone know when the City Council meetings replay on channel 3? I know their playback schedule is not always consistent.

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  25. Is the Monastery considered private property? Are the Prists or the Board Members saying "Show Me The Money?" and Urban West Developers and Chinese Investors; propably. Taiwan continues to fight for democracy the Prists are being relocated back East, Sierra Madre is struggling to stay Quaint. Hello George Orwell 2014.

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  26. This is all sort of Orwellian but that's what makes life interesting.

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