Sunday, June 29, 2014

One Carter: Sierra Madre's Luxury Home Death Trap?

A bad beginning
That One Carter (or whatever it is being marketed as these days) has remained on the wild frontiers of development here in the San Gabriel Valley for so long is a matter of small wonder to anyone who has been living here in Sierra Madre for a while.

Those of us who have been around for a little bit have seen the fires, floods and mudslides, and know what the potential is for earthquake damage when one of those inevitably rolls in as well. And all of these things will happen again, some much sooner than any of us might wish. Though there are those who think a flood right about now would likely be a good thing. So I guess we need to add a "worst in a millennia drought" to that unhappy list as well. Just for good measure.

But today, because of the failed nature of the development projects there (next year will be the tenth anniversary of nothing ever getting built at One Carter), a concerted effort appears to be in the process to move these 29 so-called "luxury lots" over to unsuspecting out of area customers. With partially underground homes known as "McBunkers" being what they would be required to build upon those unhappy sites by our city government.

One reason for this is that the per lot (or "pad" if you are a land use wonk) prices are just so absurdly high. We understand the real value of these things, and there is a long history of lawsuits involved with these properties that have driven the costs so sky high.

We also know there is a clear potential for natural disasters up on that hillside. This seems quite obvious to those of us who have witnessed nature's fury at that troubled location, and understand the dangers.

So in the spirit of making sure that all are aware of the potential hazards there, while also taking into account all of the usual land use legal requirements the developers will be required to fulfill, here is the draft of a letter being prepared for the benefit of the parties now involved with the process of attempting to sell the lots at One Carter Luxury Estates. Or whatever stupid name they've given to the place lately.

The crossroads?
To: (*** involved parties ***)
Fr: Concerned Sierra Madre Residents
Re: 1 Carter Ave. lot sales / California State Disclosure Statements

Mr./Ms. xxxxx,

Regarding the lots that you have listed for sale, you will be required to make the following disclosures:

1 - This property has been designated by FEMA a Special Flooding Hazard Area.

2 - This property has been designated, Pursuant to Sections 51178/51179 Govt. Code: Very High Fire Hazard Severity Zone.

3 - This property is designated, Pursuant to Section 4125 - Public Resources Code - Section 4291: A Wildland Area That May Contain Substantial Forest Fire Risks and Hazards

4 - This property is designated, Pursuant to Section 2622 of the Public Resources Code as An Earthquake Fault Zone.

5 - This property is designated, Pursuant to Section 2696 of the Public Resources Code as a Seismic Hazard Zone.

6 - Et Cetera
A) There was a murder on this property with the victim having been shot multiple times and left for dead on the site. It is also a suspected area for suicides such as the one that occurred at Bailey Canyon Park recently.

B) The One Carter area is also believed by some to be an ancient burial ground of the Tongva/Gabrielino Indian Tribe. Centuries of indigenous peoples may be buried there, and Representatives of the Tribe attended the One Carter hearings to protest development of this site. There is also the possibility of this being a "spirit vortex" according to some believers.   

C) Also the upper reaches of the west and east ridge of the central canyon west of the barn/cottage were burned over in the April 2008 wildfire (link).

Another thing: Lest we forget, it was the 2004 City Council (see link) that enabled what would eventually become the One Carter debacle we see today. These micro-boffins did not take into account that those buying properties up there could soon find themselves in harm's way.

That has always seemed both inconceivable and highly irresponsible to many living in Sierra Madre. Back then and today.

It is our hope that we have now remedied this unfortunate oversight with today's Tattler post.

http://sierramadretattler.blogspot.com

123 comments:

  1. My Dad used to say hope in one hand and s*#t in the other and see which one fills up faster.

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  2. Wow. All documented.
    Scary facts, you bet!

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    1. what happened to the "exclusive" realtor who was always telling us about how great of a project it was?

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    2. You mean Happy Ho? The guy who bellows angrily at city council meetings?

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    3. not sure if she was a Happy Ho?

      but most realtors are

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    4. It gets them off their feet.

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    5. He owns some of the lots.
      Guess we will have Ho Houses

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  3. To make it even more problematic.... What about the good water, now gone bad? Real bad.

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  4. To make it even more problematic.... What about the good water, now gone bad? Real bad.

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  5. Have a nice day, Arcadia realtors!

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  6. I see dead peopleJune 29, 2014 at 6:00 AM

    An ancient burial ground? Spirit vortex? It'll take a heapin' helpin' of Adele Chang fung shui to get that out of a (sadly downsized) mc mansion.

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  7. Something very bad is happening in our hillsides since these developers have destroyed sacred land and continue to threaten to do even more?
    Didn't they used to have clean water up there? Now it's toxic.
    Wonder if the CURSE has now hit us all with toxic water? Just wondering.

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  8. Those rules aply to most properties in the upper part of Sierra Madre , Most apply to some or all of the canyon homes
    maybe we should have them removed as they our not save

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    1. That's why we put in the Canyon Zone.

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    2. 6:34, there's a big difference in having a buffer between houses and the hillsides - and most of the "properties" you refer to have that buffer. The mess up at Stonegate/Carter has no buffer.

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    3. 8;24 There is no buffer in the canyon , I have lived there 50 years. The Canyon zone makes it easier to build than it was before

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    4. 10:32 is clearly against any more building in the hillsides.

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    5. I just want to know where the buffer zone in the canyon is , I would just like people to know what they are posting may sound good but has no bases in fact . again where is the buffer zone

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    6. The phrase used originally was "properties in the upper part of Sierra Madre," not just the canyon. If all you're talking about is the canyon, you don't mean "properties in the upper part of Sierra Madre." Most of those properties, say from Grandview north, have plenty of a buffer - and there are far more of those "properties" than anything in the canyon.

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    7. a buffer to what

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  9. This needs to be included with any disclosure information provided to potential buyers. Especially the spirit vortex information.

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  10. Every developer that has tried to build there has run into "trouble.'

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  11. Everything the 2004 City Council attempted failed. Coincidence?

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    1. incompetence

      and just about everything they attempted an overwhelming majority of residents were opposed

      but try telling John Buchanan he's wrong - might as well talk to a rock

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  12. Good point 6:47

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  13. We actually had a paper in town that caused this a betrayal? With a picture of John Buchanan featured? This would never happen on the watch of that lady who wears Victoria's Secret panties.

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    1. You're talking about Harriet Hot Pants. She is very selective in her news coverage.

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  14. Add Harriet Susan Henderson to our curse list. She just may be an entity from a lower astral realm. Woman is bad news.

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  15. One Carter is a case study in what not to do. How it ever got to the point it did is beyond me. This is what we don't want to see happen at Mater Dolorosa and elsewhere. Its agressive developers who try to cram these unwanted projets down our throats. Its very sad actually.

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    1. It got to that point because the council lacked courage and foresight.

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    2. Also nobody or group tried to by it when it was for sale to save it , we were all to cheep to pass a bond like monrovia did to buy there hillside property. It could have been had for the price of a couple of the new lots then , less than 3 million. We are just as much to blame for this mess as anybody

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  16. Lest we forget, we owe a huge debt to Salvatore Tesoro and the Sierra Madre News! A brilliant young man who put his money and investigative abilities to good use in trying to save Sierra Madre. Thank you, Salvatore!

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    1. Yes, thank you, Salvatore. :)

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    2. His headlines were priceless. And almost 10 years later as fresh as the day they were printed.

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    3. So nice to see his brilliant work live on. Thanks Salvatore.

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  17. Now with the water shortage, how can they build what are the equivalent of gas guzzelers.

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  18. I love all these outside people trying to tell us what to do. Outside attorneys, outside owners - they don't give a damn about Sierra Madre except as a place to ruin to make their profit.

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    1. They do speak down to us. Very disrespectful. They must think they work for the city.

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  19. The murder did not take place at 1 Carter, the body (s) were "dumped" at the site. As far as some Indian mumbo jumbo, that's pure speculation. If you want to look at a real hazard, the holy grail of all in SM, the "Canyon", it already has mudslides, earthquakes, and it's ripe for a fire to rip up slope and decimate the homes, and people, I propose we level the canyon to prevent future calamity.

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    1. I agree. Let's call Dorn Platz.

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    2. 8:31 thinks that since we have some homes built in hazardous conditions that means we should encourage more.
      Think s/he has a financial motivation?

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    3. "dumped bodies" aren't enough for you, 8:31?

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    4. It would have been interesting to see the poster at 8:31 tell the chief of the Tongva/Gabrielinos, who protested the development at the Carter hearings, that it was "some Indian mumbo jumbo...pure speculation"

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    5. The only mumbo jumbo around here, is coming out of City Hall and Council Chambers.

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  20. Headline from today's Pasadena Star News:
    STATE OF DEHYDRATION With 100% of California suffering at least a severe drought, hopes for a wet El Nino are drying up as well, experts say.
    ​http://www.sgvtribune.com/general-news/20140627/california-drought-blankets-entire-state-el-nixf1o-forecast-dims

    No El Nino? There goes Gene Goss's plan for saving Sierra Madre.

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  21. Was present at a planning commission meeting as city staff were trying to sell Commissioners on the fault line in the area of one Carter had been dormant fo 50000 years..... One commissioner spoke up and said they remembered one in 2001...and staff just blew it off..

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    1. Staff is into reality creation.

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    2. Staff is into retiring at 50 and getting as far away from this place as possible.

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  22. Lucky Baldwin and Nathaniel Carter despised one another. It makes sense that their names would be at a crossroads where great evil is done.

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  23. For all our new residents;
    Baldwin Ave. is named for a piano maker.
    Carter Ave. is named for an elixir popular in the 60's
    Lima is named for a city in Peru (Leema)
    Mich.ill.inda is a misspelled Spanish woman's name.
    Hehe

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    1. I hear long time residents prononuce Lima Street like the bean

      they say that the Leema prononciation was brought in by the yuppies

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    2. Joshie Moran calls it "Leema."

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    3. As a 65 year resident It's Lima like the beans that were grown there in early 20's by Mr. Eastland, per Mr McClelland on Manzanita St.(deceased)

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    4. 12:23, I had heard something like that from a 40 year resident

      if Josh Moran pronounces it "leema", it's gotta be wrong

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  24. Didn't Carter make little liver pills?

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  25. The Chinese are very fearful of ghosts. In Chinese tradition the seventh month in the Chinese calendar is called Hungry Ghost Month...the time when ghosts and spirits including those of deceased ancestors come from the lower realms to visit earth. The 15th day of the seventh month is Ghost Day. 9/11 happened during Hungry Ghost Month. Hungry Ghost Month this year starts July 27 and ends August 24. Ghost Day is August 10. Yin is the energy of night and ghosts are attracted to Yin energy. On the night of August 10, 2014 magical objects will be buried on Carter One designed to attract ghosts and forever curse this property.

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    1. The Chinese use a different calendar than ours

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    2. Yes, 1:48, and nothing in the previous post says otherwise.

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  26. I have hired a chinese wizard to curse the Carter One property. After August 10, never ever cross its threshold again. Anyone who crosses the entrance to Carter One will have their luck and life force drained and cut short to feed the spirits who have been called to Carter One. The objects buried there are cursed. I will also buried Fu Dogs at the entrance facing IN to hold the spirits inside the property. Financial ruin and a short life await anyone who enters.

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  27. I remember when the former principal of Maranatha said she went up to One Carter, prayed and said God told her that to build a high school in a flood and fire zone.

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  28. of course One Carter was approved.

    there was a commercial lending banker and a utility company lawyer on the Council

    later another of this Council lead the effort to overpay for a lot, create a worthless park and name it after the lot owner, who happened to be a personal friend of the Councilmember...thanks Enid

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  29. Getting back to the water shortage, did anybody catch the article in the Star News this morning talking about how bad this drought is. Then another article mentions the Sierra Madre situation and quotes Gene Goss as tryng to de-link development from the water shortage. In other words, Goss thinks development has nothing to do with our water shortage and is quoted as saying the residents aren't doing enough and need to conserve more water. In other words, its all our fault. Forget about one of the severest droughts on record. Forget about housing projects sucking up our water supply. Nope, its all the residents' fault. Can anyone tell me why Goss can't make the connection between a water shortage and the need to curtail and stop further development until we solve it?

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    1. You know how people said that John Harabedian is Joe Mosca with brains? Gene Goss is Joe Mosca without brains.

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    2. Goss ought to take a stroll on Mariposa and observe our water being used for dust control for the 6 new condos on the north side not far from Lima. Or maybe he could have paid attention to the Kensington when they were using our water for dust control multiple times a day.

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    3. John Harabedian is what ever his mom tells him.

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    4. Goss should save his cow methane nonense for his junior college lectures

      he's gonna get worse the longer he's on the Council so gotta keep him in check

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    5. only an idiot would say that new development has nothing to do with increased water usage

      why we keep electing idiots?

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  30. Gene Goss is possessed by spirits. Just look into his dead eyes and the way he speaks in a monotone and says crap that is meaningless and irrelevant. Psychiatry calls it a dissociative trance disorder. Many sensitive and spiritual women report being uneasy in Gene's presence because he is demonically possession.

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    1. Good God, yes, you're right
      Goss is possessed. Or. maybe just paid off?

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    2. it's the junior college teacher in him

      Gene Goss loves him some Gene Goss

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    3. Perhaps Gene Goss isn't a rocket scientist?

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    4. Bottle rocket scientist.

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  31. Carter One should be referred to as Cursed One. Mater Dolorosa means "Mother of Sorrows". The Council must insist for the sake of historic preservation that the property forever be called "Mother of Sorrows" to honor its history. Also so that people know the Mater Dolorosa property is a place of sorrow and death. Mater Dolorosa is the voodoo goddess Erzulie Freda the vain and flirty goddess of love. Her "horses" tend to cry tears of longing and regret. Those under her influence can never attain their hearts desire and are always in tears.

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    1. I heard that!!!!

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    2. It is important to note that the Bible DOES NOT teach that God will send individuals to a place of eternal torment and suffering. When God told Adam and Eve what their punishment would be, he simply said in Genesis 3:19: "For dust you are and to dust you will return.” Adam would go back to the same exact condition he was in before he was created: Non-existence. God never told him he would suffer for all eternity.

      Ecclesiastes 9:5 says that the "dead are conscious of nothing at all." Psalms 146:4 shows that when one dies their "thoughts do perish."

      Interestingly, in the Criswell Theological Review, Professor Pinnock writes: “Everlasting torment is intolerable from a moral point of view because it makes God into a bloodthirsty monster who maintains an everlasting Auschwitz for victims whom he does not even allow to die.” He asks: “How can anyone with the milk of human kindness in him remain calm contemplating such an idea [the traditional doctrine of hell]? . . . How can Christians possibly project a deity of such cruelty and vindictiveness?”

      Even Catholic theologian Hans Küng asks: “Should the God of love . . . watch for all eternity this endless, hopeless, pitiless, loveless, cruel physical-psychological torture of his creatures?...Is he such a hardhearted creditor? . . . What would we think of a human being who satisfied his thirst for revenge so implacably and insatiably?”

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    3. Revelation Chapter 20, Versus 12-15:

      12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

      13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

      14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

      15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

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  32. When the Spanish Missionaries came to Sierra Madre the native amercians told them that Sierra Madre was the place that Tauquitz (their Satan) conducted orgies and was captured and imprisoned in a granite prison. Satan is buried under Sierra Madre. Don't you understand? This is the metaphor of "pod people". It's your blood memory trying to warn you that Sierra Madre is a place of demonic possession

    .http://books.google.com/books?id=A8QUAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA198&lpg=PA198&dq=tauquitz+kinneloa&source=bl&ots=GCJZXffYpo&sig=v8R1kBMV2HtqSZ4kIyFQFD5YfYY&hl=en&sa=X&ei=h1iwU6eTLIn-oQTniYLQAw&ved=0CB8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=tauquitz%20kinneloa&f=false

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    1. You historians are awesome today!

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    2. We've got great fiction writers posting today!

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    3. Not fiction. All true

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    4. Doubters will be pouters.

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  33. http://io9.com/5978746/the-strangely-true-connection-between-scientology-the-jet-propulsion-lab-and-pagan-sorcery

    why is Sierra Madre so fraught with strife and conflict and confusion. Because there are witches here performing sex magik. what do u think Matheson was up to?

    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-XEiVzaasUds/Ti-VBOHTzhI/AAAAAAAADV8/fsS1zwkT0i4/s1600/joeyaddayadda.jpg

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  34. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Va1jubYAzQ0/UmuZwsPo4yI/AAAAAAAALRw/SGYAKMEG9DA/s1600/IMG_4109.JPG

    are we? or is there another explanation for the way some people act in Sierra Madre...especially those who seek power over the land

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  35. Is it true a well known building industry lawyer ued to host nude jacuzzi parties at his shack on Baldwin?

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    1. Noah called. He is very upset he missed that.

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    2. Don't you remember's Noah's obsession with Halloween and his proposals to have Sierra Madre attract people to Halloween celebrations? Wake up and connect the dots.

      http://sierramadreweekly.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/josh-moran_2178.jpg

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    3. Exactly,
      1:33

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    4. gag me with a spoon!

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    5. grody to the max

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    6. Watch out for walrus bubbles.

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  36. I heard someone found a slip of paper in a jar buried at Mater Dolorosa that had this Acrostic Hex written on it:

    S is for Satan
    I is for Immoral
    E is for Evil
    R is for Reprobate
    R is for Rancorous
    A is for Atrocious
    M is for Malignant
    A is for Angry
    D is for Destructive
    R is for Repugnant
    E is for Execrable

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    1. THIS I LOVE.
      1:21 you're the best

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    2. Sierra Madre sure has a lot of dirty little secrets!!!!!!

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    3. Sierra Madre's dirty laundry is aired out daily on The Tattler!

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    4. Thanks to John Crawford!!!!

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  37. You left out that Home Owners Insurance does not cover "flooding" and that flood insurance does not cover "mud slides" and that earthquake insurance starts after an extrodinarliy high deductable. And that that the nice level area below the Stonegate Canyon is an alluvial plain which will become home to a future mud slide which is not covered by insurance. Happy Home Building on the slopes of Mt Wilson!!!

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  38. Sorry all of Sierra Madre is on a alluvial fan or earthquake falt

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    1. Right, and the closer you are to the hillsides, or in the hillsides, the worse it is.

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  39. No, not really, you have a wider downslope linear footprint from an alluvial fan than its point of origin. Sorry for the facts, I know they get in your way of rational thought.

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    1. Wider means more spread out. Thanks for clarifying that it's safer to be further away from the point of origin which is steeper and deeper.

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  40. We need to repeal all Utility User Taxes,
    City Hall is swimming in money!

    I want to be a part of the Sierra Madre TEA PAC PARTY...

    Who do I contact?

    Can we purchase t shirts and bumper stickers for our family members?

    Who do we contact?

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  41. Dear John,
    the presentation will occur July 2nd at 11 am
    you will be provided with pictures!

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  42. When is the new city council member going to wise up and fire Elaine - Bruce & Karen - and red the city attorney?

    These people are and have been a cancer to this lovely community!

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  43. No water moratorium? No UUT. Your choice Mr. Mayor.

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  44. Yes, 6:00 pm. That is what's best for the town. Two moratoriums. One voice. No Phase 3.

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  45. Sierra Madre is only 36% Republican and 2/3rds of that 36% thinks the Tea Party are destructive idiots. So you basically have about 12% support which is probably the same people who think the moon landings were a hoax. More than 60% of the voters will instantly be hostile once they are told it is a TEAPAC initiative. Sierra Madre can't survive without major service cuts if it loses the UUT because it provides 20% of the General Fund budget. In addition, you will make it easier to raise the UUT in the future because the opposition will have totally discredited itself by associating with TEAPAC. Lay down with dogs and you get fleas. TEAPAC has already bungled and failed with its Pasadena, South Pasadena and Glendale anti-UUT initiatives.

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    1. You are missing the point here. We now have the means to punish the city for enabling massive overdevelopment in this town. If the city won't listen to the people, then they are going to have to be taught a lesson. I don't care who put this new UUT measure on the ballot. We now have a club to pay the city back for selling us out to these big money developers. No moratorium, no UUT. Period.

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    2. They really haven't left folks like us a choice.

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    3. 7:04 get your facts straight.
      7:12 thanks for your post.
      The anti tax tPac worked hard to pass anti UUT in Sierra Madre last time around and won.

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    4. City Hall does not understand just how angry people are in this town. They live in a bubble.

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    5. Three of the council members were just elected by communicating with thousands of voters and you presume you know better than they do what people are thinking? Did you walk 1,200 households this year?

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    6. No wonder their feet stink.

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    7. Knocking on doors and handing out cheesy election pamphlets does not grant anyone an unquestioned moral authority. How they vote on the issues as elected officials does. All of those elected this year claimed to be in favor of keeping Sierra Madre a small, low density community. So did Harabedian and Capoccia when they ran. At the next city council meeting we will find out who actually meant that, and who was not telling the voters the truth.

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    8. 8:01 - I believe Delmar and Arizmendi are in favor of a moratorium. So yes, they did listen to Sierra Madre when they were out knocking on doors.

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    9. 7:04 TeaPAC had nothing to do with the defeat of the April, 2014 proposed UUT hike.

      If you're keeping score at home on UUT hikes since 2012, the score is
      Taxpayers 2
      City golden pensions & health plans 0

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    10. Sorry, 7:20. As a major contributor to the NO ON UUT campaign, this was absolutely NOT a TeaPac run campaign to defeat the increase in the UUT.

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  46. City Council!!
    Get rid of toxic water pipe on Grandview and put a moratorium on building NOW

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  47. Denise, stand up at the next council meeting and put in a moratorium, we need you!

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  48. So, get rid of the toxic pipe and where will we get our water? No UUT and how will we keep City Hall open, and you do need City Hall to open/ Big problems need big solutions and none of you have come up with a solution except get rid of the UUT and go back to our own water (which we don't have), and a recall before there is anyone on the horizon who will be willing to run for Council.. Not smart. Back Denise on a Phase 111 AND a moratorium on building until we can come up with some reasonable plans, and then we will be getting somewhere.

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  49. It might be of interest to many who might want to do a bit of research that the Sierra Madre Mountain Conservancy, that was created by a past city council, has successfully taken easements on over 1400 acres in the upper reaches of our community and purchased several acres in the Willis Tract to preserve part of our water shed. They bought a large portion of the upper Willis Tract to preserve non-development. Unfortunately they ran out of money before they could buy some additional Willis acreage.

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