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Specifically city employee salaries, benefits and health care plans. Even though they don't ever seem to want to say it, that is what is driving their engine these days. That and cooking up vaguely plausible tall tales designed to get you to pay all of their bills.
I was trading e-mails with Robert Fellner at TransparentCalifornia.com yesterday. I think I've told you about Robert. He is an analyst with an organization called NPRI, which is based out of Las Vegas, and he works with the budget numbers of hundreds of cities in both Nevada and California. There is a TransparentNevada.com as well, which Robert also helps run.
Bringing transparency to what has been going on in so many cities lately is no easy task, and that Robert has been able to expose the financial shenanigans of places like Sierra Madre is due to a lot of hard work on his part. It is quite an accomplishment, and we are the beneficiaries.
I explained to Robert what it is we are facing tonight at City Hall, and how the real driving force behind so much of what is going on here, city employee salaries, benefits and premium health care plans, never seems to see the light of day. It is the elephant in the room that never gets discussed. While you will hear endless talk about "services" and various "safety" efforts, how our money is actually being spent is never made clear.
About an hour later Robert shot me over the following two charts. These are both based on the most recent numbers the City of Sierra Madre has made available, which are from 2012. By law the numbers for 2013 do not have to be shared with anyone until this coming October. Which means TransparentCalifornia.com will not get to see them before Halloween. If then.
As attentive readers of this blog may recall, it almost took an act of Congress to pry the 2012 numbers from Sierra Madre City Hall.
This first chart deals with salaries in Sierra Madre. Both for we the privately employed townies and government City Hall employees. Check out the radical difference.
We have often heard from City Hall that they are somehow not compensated at levels appropriate to the importance of their service to this community. And as such they are prone to leave us and go work elsewhere, though very few ever seem to actually carry out that threat. Yet here we can see that they already make a lot more money than the average taxpaying Sierra Madrean.
So how do you justify that? And who exactly is working for whom these days?
The second chart deals with Sierra Madre's legendary City Hall health care plans. Which, and as everyone should know by now, are some of the most expensive in the state. As you will see below, they leave pretty much the rest of the country in the dust as well.
It is important to note that there would be a potential savings of $226,000 a year if these top 10 city government employees simply received an average costing health plan. That is a lot of money. And in a city where we have been forced to accept two water rate hikes in 5 years, nearly 100% in combined increases, it is an unconscionable amount. Phase III water fines would be equally outrageous.
Let me ask you this. Did you ever once hear the water rate consultant mention that our Water Superintendent here in Sierra Madre receives a $37,815 a year health care plan back earlier this year when the City Council was hyping our latest water rate increases? Or over $30,000 more per year than the national average?
You did not. The only place you've heard that is on this blog.
City Hall also tried to raise your utility taxes twice, only to be beaten back at the polls. Clearly showing just how far they are willing to go to feather their already quite comfortable nests.
So how does this relate to possible City Hall opposition to a building and/or water moratorium tonight? Brought about by the fact that Sierra Madre's traditional water supplies are gone, and the SGVMWD dreck that replaced it is only guaranteed for another two short years?
The answer is Development Impact Fees and additional taxable property. The three McMansion development efforts, Stonehouse, Mater Dolorosa and One Carter, would bring in huge amounts of money in both development impact fees and new property taxes to the city.
Come to think of it, as a religious organization Mater Dolorosa's property holdings have never been taxed. I wonder how Sacramento and Los Angeles County will view longstanding untaxed church property magically being transformed into a hot real estate investment commodity for neo-yuppies?
Now there is a topic that will require some looking into soon.
To boil it down to its purest essence, your Sierra Madre birthright is being sold out by this city to predatory developers in order to fund Cadillac pensions and platinum health care plans that are among the most expensive in the United States.
Is that a fate you believe is appropriate for Sierra Madre?
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Wake up, Sierra Madre.
ReplyDeleteOur property values won't be worth two dead flies, once these criminals bankrupt the town.
Fight back now or lose everything.
I know it's been mentioned before and an earlier article covered this, but when the City of Sierra Madre billed and was paid for 200 hours of staff time for "pre-event planning" for the Mt Wilson Trail Race, I feel that this is an issue that could derail every effort made by the city to raise taxes and water rates.
DeleteWhy?
Cause it's fraud. It's double dipping on our time. It's bogus. It's a rip off. It's extra pay for staff and the city for doing nothing. It's a scam.
Does this happen for all events in SM or was this a one time heist?
What do these insurance perks provide for so much money?
ReplyDeleteGood question. It looks like crazy overpaying to me. You can only get so many shots and blood pressure readings.
Deleteit would be interesting to see just how they were used
Deleteit's gotten to the point where I automatically assume everything told to us by city hall is a lie or has a self serving agenda
Deleteremember the days when government jobs were okay to get but the $ weren't so great?
times have changed
I was told that the city paid bonuses to top personnel
Deleteis this true?
for what?
They can't pay bonuses without it being public - at least in the warrants or year-end financials. Keep an eye out.
DeleteSo much for the city manager's claim that "everything has been cut to the bone."
ReplyDeleteexcept the pension plan and staff payroll
Deleteabsurd that we are paying over 90K for a head librarian and another 70K or more for the assistant
for our library?
Don't think Sierra Madre is unique in this. Almost every town is experiencing the same thing to a greater or lesser degree. You have a simple conflict of interest. The public employee unions are coming up with all sorts of ways to raise revenues from residents so that there is more money available in a city's coffers for their own salaries, benefits and pensions. In order to "keep the peace" during their tenure in office, City Council Members placate these unions by conceding to their often outrageous demands or they reward the public employee unions for supporting their campaign when they ran for office. Either way, the residents and taxpayers always get the short end of the stick. And we wonder why public employee salaries, benefits and pensions have leapfrogged ahead. I also read recently that in some communities, residents are actually paying the public employee to engage in union-related activities during their normal work hours. I wonder if that goes on in Sierra Madre.
ReplyDeleteHarabedian couldn't crow enough about his POA endorsement when he was running for office. Right down to the funny patchless cops in the park post card. How much do you think that will influence his vote tonight? Like maybe 100%?
Deletewith his postcard, Harabedian just showed his lack of ethics and that his own self inflated ego was everything to him
Deletemust be the "lawyer" in him
conflict of interest? that's when we elect utility company lawyers, commercial lending bankers, construction company owners, lawyers with unlimited free time, mortgage salesmen, lobbyists
DeleteWhile the good people are off working, the Shenanigan crowd hovers over city hall. Good old boys, each and every one.
DeleteThis is where we have to wonder where our Director of Over-Development Services, Danny Castro's loyalties lie. Nobody wants McMansions, congestion and traiffic in Sierra Madre, yet we are paying this person an exorbitant salary to work every day at promoting and facilitating the very thing nobody wants. Go figure.
ReplyDeleteall Council has to do is vote to change his title to "Director of Resident Services" and rewrite his job duties
DeleteLet's see if Harabedian and Goss vote with the outside developers or vote with the residents tonight. It should be very interesting. At the very least, it gives us an opportunity very early on to see where their loyalties lie.
ReplyDeleteHarabedian and Goss are John Buchanan clones - how do you think they are going to vote?
DeleteOk, so counting votes, it's two to two. How do you think Capoccia will vote?
DeleteTattler readers know by now, that it is naieve to believe anything you are told by city hall or read in the Mountain Views News.
ReplyDeleteNaivete is not a good positionality.
Thankfully we have The Tattler to provide us with the true facts.
If you want to truly understand the problem with the public employee unions at the local, state and federal level, read the book "Plunder: How Pubic Employee Unions are Raiding Treasuries, Controlling Our Lives and Bankrupting the Nation" by Steven Greenhut. You can find it on Amazon. The public employee unions are the number one reason that so many cities have declared bankruptcy and why our services are getting cut. There is only so much money available. If upwards of 70% of a city's budget goes to employee salaires and benefits, it does not leave very much money available for other things in a city. As that gets towards 80%, a city is really in trouble. To feed that beast, you have to start cutting services, raising rates for the services you do get and promote development in towns that don't want it.
ReplyDeleteGiven a few years, the entire budget will only cover salaries and benefits.
DeleteStaff will need to "work" in the dark because there will be no money to keep the lights on.
about 60% of the Mt Wilson Trail Race budget went to the city staffing costs...for a volunteer event...go figure that out
DeleteIt will all be decided at tonight's City Council meeting whether the residents control this city or whether that One Carter lawyer McDonald is calling the shots and pulling the strings of any of our City Council Members.
ReplyDeleteWe'll wait and see what happens tonight but if Harabedian casts his vote with the developers, there is going to be hell to pay. Haiving a city council member, the Mayor no less, who doesn't care about the residents is almost too much to swallow.
ReplyDeleteGoss is also a big union political machine guy. Both Goss and Harabedian used the treasurer of the corrupt Calderon political machine for their campaigns.
DeleteYes, isn't it disgusting that our city councilmembers are for the most part controlled either by Bart Doyle or a similar crime family. No wonder we are a sinking ship wreck.
DeleteWhat is strange about this is they all think they're the most wonderful people. Where did they get that idea? Only dirtbags would sell out their neighbors and community.
DeleteI voted for Goss. I hope he keeps his campaign promises. I'm going to hope for the best tonight.
ReplyDeleteYour first mistake was voting for Goss. Your second mistake was believing him.
DeleteMy 3rd choice was blank
DeleteToo many voted for Goss to keep out Green and now his vote count has inflated his ego even more.
imagine how awful it would be if we had both Goss and Grene on the Council?
DeleteNoah's Facebook pictures saved Sierra Madre.
DeleteA $68,600 median income for Sierra Madre residents? So much for the myth that we're all rich.
ReplyDeleteI would be rich if I made $68,600. There are a whole lot of people here who manage to get by on less. It is so refreshing to see that myth punctured.
DeleteI worked 33 years for the railroad I never made over $65,000. as pay. Now medical benefits were not calculated into that amount.That figure was about $25,000 additional. Medical isn't cheap!! Why cant city employees go onto Obama care? We will still pay but out of the money the Feds. take from us.
DeleteCovered California (Exchange) is good enough for the rest of California. Why does the City pay for a Golden Medical Plan?
DeleteUnfortunately, we need to become more vigilant. The other day I noticed 3 city workers in the back parking lot behind Sierra Madre Blvd. one was working, the other 2 were gabbing. An hour later, the same 2 were gabbing, the same one working. The police chief double parks at will for his daily meet and greet, other policeman appear to be driving around. They go so fast that it would be impossible for them to see any potential crime. Seems like a lot of crime here happens during the day. I wonder if the microphones will work at tonight's meeting? I went to get info on building permits, etc. on my house. Wow, I can't tell you how many things were missing. There were missing everything for an obvious add on done before I bought the property. Why are these papers missing? No one can say. It just goes on and on with this bunch. I don't have dental insurance or life insurance on my job. I don't have all of the paid holidays, etc. these city employees get. It needs to end. Should be interesting this evening.
ReplyDeleteSorry sounds like an illegal addition.
Deletewe've had the SMPD patrolling outside the city for years
Deletethe blotter used to publish what they were doing, like making a dui traffic stop on Live Oak in Arcadia
The very size of it downplays it being illegal. A variance was required. The clerk volunteered that the papers were probably misfiled.
DeleteI fear it will be more disgusting than interesting. 6:44am
ReplyDeleteIn light of all this our continuing need for a UUT needs to be called into question.
ReplyDeleteso there is obviously enough room to scale back on the UUT rate even more. sounds like a good idea to me.
ReplyDeleteI hope the council realizes that if they give in to law suit threats, they'll make the same mistake that got us that mess at the top of Baldwin. And we were sued anyway.
ReplyDeleteWe have one of the top sought respected lawyers in Los Angeles as our Mayor and the most aggressive city law firm in the area so we have nothing to worry about
DeleteIceberg dead ahead!!
DeleteHere is a fun game we can all play. Every time Goss says the word "draconian" the audience yells "draco!".
ReplyDeleteGoss is trying to play important junior college teacher with us
Deleteexcept we don't care and the pass/fail grade is all on him
Gene is for it and against it. He is also not sure, but wants to do the right thing for everyone.
DeleteFine me, Goose!
DeleteMalfoy!
Delete11:14, don't forget. Gene Goss loves this town!
Delete2.45 million hits: Nobody reads The Tattler.
ReplyDeleteTop 2 City Staff priorities:
ReplyDelete1) Take care of ourselves.
2) See number 1.
city staff are supposedly claiming the building moratorium has to be 4/5 no matter what...even if it is not an urgency ordinance. Water ordinances are governed by the water code and the water code says nothing about needing a 4/5 vote to pass any ordinance. Water code section 74650 says "A district may act by ordinance in exercising its powers
ReplyDeleteunder this division over lands, structures, and facilities in which the district has a real property interest. All ordinances shall be enacted only by rollcall vote entered into the proceedings of the board."
Sierra Madre is presumably acting as a water district when it acts to prevent hook-ups to its water system (which it owns).
Again, they will attempt to claim a phase 3 negates the need for a water moratorium but a Phase 3 is designed to reduce CURRENT demand. We need a water hook-up moratorium to allow the aquifer to recharge and reduce FUTURE demand. Sierra Madre simply isn't sustainable with more hook-ups.
Gene Goss is a silly weak man and when silly weak men are put in charge you get a disaster.
ReplyDeleteGoss is playing politican at our expense as part of his research for his politicial science lectures at the prestigious Long Beach City College
DeleteI thought John Buchanan was a bore, Goss is just about there and like Buchanan, he actually believes his opinion is more important that ours
Gene Goss is the Neville Chamberlain of the Sierra Madre Water Wars.
DeleteWater Conservation Through Appeasement
DeleteCity Council members are elected to represent the people of Sierra Madre. They are not elected to represent the Staff at City Hall.
DeleteLos Angeles County is a corrupt one party political machine. Union money, old boy cronies and slick pols call the shots. If the two moratoriums are defeated tonight, you'll know why.
DeleteTo quote Goss-he might just be "draconian" tonight!
DeleteCount Draconula
DeleteLogically speaking we don't need a phase 3 as long as 100% of our water comes from the MWD. People are just wasting water that isn't local. So what. The thing we MUST have is a long-term water hook-up moratorium because we have reached the point where we cannot for the foreseeable future sustain more hook-ups with local supplies and the MWD water may disappear. The purpose of the hook-up moratorium is to reduce future demand on local supplies when and if the MWD water disappears. Sorry people that don't live in Sierra Madre. We are saving our water for OURSELVES not people that want to move here.
ReplyDeleteAlso we need to discuss filing an application with the MWD to become a member (agency annexation). Pasadena and San Marino are members. We can't afford to be cut off if our wells run dry.
ReplyDeleteBruce and Elaine want us to think there will be no water in 2 years, (there will be, MWD would not deny us water)
DeleteClearly, neither one of you know what you are talking about, or you are sock puppets for MWD/Development interests.
DeleteNah.
DeleteHope KGEM is working tonight.
ReplyDeletePhase Three. Empty out all swimming pools. Dont water the parks or school grounds. Don't serve water at the eating establishments (unless requested). Be ready to PAY PAY PAY.
ReplyDeleteI think Clem Bartoli had a great idea at the last meeting. Just put a hold on everything, essentially a time out, until the new General Plan has been approved and put into place. This is not without precedent.
ReplyDeleteBUILDING MORATORIUM NOW
ReplyDeleteNews Alert! It appears someone has removed Gene Goss' picture from the wall outside council chambers...stolen or defaced?
ReplyDeleteHe has a groupie problem.
DeleteIf you make 68k a year, there is no way you can buy a house in Sierra Madre right now. If you are making 94k, still probably not.
ReplyDeleteDoes any one have a conscience & back bone?
ReplyDeleteYou need to speak at the city council meeting tonight and request (Elaine - Bruce - Karen & city attorneys) resignation!
If the city council does want to do the right thing, they need to go also.
Wake up America, our city is broke & has no water.
The waster & sewer enterprise have no money, and have No Check Book either!
what could be worse?
Please when you speak tonight, stay on the subject. Staff benefits, uut fees, police pay, whatever your gripe don't mention it, stick to the water issue. That is what is being considered and when you throw everything else in, it sounds as if you haven't done your homework and are just throwing out what will stick to the wall. As for 4:29 if you want "someone" to ask for Elaine's resignation ----you do it, don't ask someone else to do it.
ReplyDeleteI am going to request that Chief Giannone put everyone in the room on a lie detector so we can find out who stole Gene Goss's picture.
DeleteKudos @ 4:59 pm
DeleteOnly rational, well informed statements will make a difference.
Let the moles and political operatives play their hand. Don't follow their lead.
Packed house at the Slough.
ReplyDeleteCrouching photographer scanning the crowd.
ReplyDeleteStar-News photographer. also, reporter Zen Vuong is here.
DeleteCameron Thornton is speaking unto us about the Mater Dolorosa. Pushing the priest retirement canard.
ReplyDeleteKGEM is freezing.
ReplyDeleteGotta love it - most important meeting in years, and it won't be broadcast. Damn thing is not working.
DeleteKGEM is back on, and playing from where it stopped.
DeleteHow many people can get a house with Stations of the Cross and a Retreat Garden in their backyard?
ReplyDeleteNew Urban West struck Cameron as sensitive and responsible? That's beyond naive.
ReplyDeleteKGEM is off
ReplyDeleteCAMERON SOUNDS LIKE HE IS GOING TO CRY
ReplyDeleteHe confuses emotion with sincerity.
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DeleteDevelopment at Mater Delorosa will benefit the entire community of Sierra Madre? Dumping 50 houses up there is not a benefit.
ReplyDelete"Please stand by. We're experiencing technical difficulties"
ReplyDeleteBruce Inman humor: Showing a picture of the Sahara when discussing the drought.
ReplyDeleteFine me, Bruce!
ReplyDeleteOh good. kgem froze again just as Inman began.
ReplyDeleteHe has that effect.
DeleteIt's Tom Love! He is now giving us the history of the SGVMWD.
ReplyDeleteArgh, we're getting an historical overview of the water district.
ReplyDeleteWhy is he giving us his resume?
ReplyDeleteTom is making an interesting topic quite dull.
ReplyDeleteCan someone tell me what his point is?
ReplyDeleteHe loves him some development.
DeleteDon't they all? It makes them feel serious and important.
DeleteWhy does the crawl line on the TV say this is a public hearing on Phase III? It is actually public hearing on that and the two moratorium items. Weird.
ReplyDeleteThe crowd is overflowing out of the room, into the hall and outside.
ReplyDeleteGreat. That hasn't happened since the One Carter hearings. They set up a tv monitor around the statue.
Delete$5 million dollars for MWD TV ads? Where do they get that money.
ReplyDeleteTom Love needs to fire Water Wise Owl.
ReplyDeleteIs he saying that we don't need to worry about the MWD promising to always give us water?
ReplyDeleteWhy does that not comfort me...
DeleteTom just told us they have 2 years of supply. We should have a countdown.
DeleteThanks Capoccia for getting the length of time we can depend on reserves out of Love - 2 years. That is not good.
ReplyDeleteArizmendi was right on about Tom Love's "optimism"
ReplyDeleteI would feel better if he'd shown up dressed like the Angel Of Death.
DeleteLove responds defensively to Arizmendi's question. He said they have been trying hard, haven't been sitting on their hands. But who said they were?
ReplyDeleteThey have invested heavily in chloramines. They have 40 acre feet stored beneath Duarte.
DeleteMumble mumble mumble.
ReplyDeleteAnyone who is there in person, please please tell me the technical glitch was a bolt of lightning striking the idiot trying to say building houses at the Monastery is a good thing for the community.
ReplyDeleteGod is not happy with Cameron.
DeleteClem rocks.
ReplyDeleteA defining moment indeed.
DeleteThis is an excellent speech.
DeleteClem's the best!!!!
DeleteThe speaker is right on about all of the waste many residents indulge in to keep their lawns lush.
ReplyDeleteHe's so right - if you have conserved before, you are punished.
DeleteMarguerie Schuster is making a brilliant speech.
ReplyDeleteShe is always great at puncturing foolish ideas. Water will not magically appear!
DeleteIf the Passionists are not allowed to build houses on their big lot, maybe they should grow marijuana. It is the one thing that is more profitable than McMansions. And it is sustainable.
ReplyDeleteI will second that motion.
DeleteThank you Mr. Gold.
ReplyDeleteCETT's lawyer is here. Will he be delivering a threat?
ReplyDeleteHe just informed us that there is no water shortage. The crowd laughed loudly.
DeleteI'm sure the letter he handed in is nothing but a threat.
Deletea drop of water is worth more than a bag of gold to a man dying of thirst
ReplyDeletelistening to Sierra Madre's water goofball is a joke. the guy should be kicked off and replaced with someone who aggressively pursues Sierra Madre's interests
Hew Haw, here goes the lawyer to threaten over One Carter.
ReplyDeleteThe lawyers representing CETT Investments oppose the ordinances because there is a "robust" supply of water.
DeleteWhat an idiotic thing to say. Get Schuster back to explain reality to that guy.
Matt Bryant is doing some major truth telling. This guy needs to run for City Council.
ReplyDeleteGreat idea.
DeleteSee? The water moratorium can be a 3/5s vote. Do it!
ReplyDeleteCarol Parker just hit them with the velvet glove, reading Teryl Willis comment. Excellent
ReplyDeleteAh, the opposition is heard from - don't do the moratoriums cuz we will lose too much money.
ReplyDeleteHe wants a plan.
DeleteWhose hireling was that one?
ReplyDeleteI got a strong sense of the Realty/Development consortium.
DeleteObviously a flack. And he has a claque as well. First two rows on the right clapped with precision.
DeleteHeather!! Direct quotes from campaign literature. You go Girl. Nobody is like you.
ReplyDeleteBest speech of the night.
DeleteHarabedian's response: "Heather Allen will be deleted from all future mailers."
DeleteIt was said in jest but look at the perspective it reveals.
Hutt's speech is excellent.
ReplyDeleteHutt did good
DeleteLiked
Thank you!
ReplyDeleteYou're the best, Heather. What an honor to be off their mailing list!!!!!!!!!
DeleteGoss did a mailing?
DeleteThis young men is doing a good job defending his parents' interest. But unfortunately a new development is not going to help our water crisis.
ReplyDeleteWhat a great serious speech. "Have some backbone" indeed. Watch her if you don't know how.
ReplyDeleteThis is a great night. Damn these people are making great speeches. I am so proud of this town.
ReplyDeleteYep.
DeleteGreat speaker after great speaker.
ReplyDeleteBrady. First speaker in a tie that isn't a flack for the developers. Calling for a moratorium!
ReplyDeleteTom Love was booooorrrring and long winded
ReplyDeleteHe's a buddy of John Buchanan so that tells us what to believe
its getting repetitive...close the public hearing and let Arizmendi unleash the fury on the beta male manboobs (Harabedian and Goss). Hopefully HaraGoss understands that a water moratorium is going to pass on a 3/5 vote in two weeks if they dont pass it as an urgency ordinance tonight. So they can't stop it...all they can do is break their campaign promises and get nothing in return.
ReplyDeleteThe MWD is selling us stolen water! WAR!
ReplyDeleteThe Pied Piper and the what?
ReplyDeleteHey Tattler, can you get MacGillivrey's speech again?
ReplyDeleteMacGillivray!!!!!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteYes, please do, Mod
ReplyDeleteYikes, here comes the decision. I wish they would just vote and save the speeches for after the vote.
ReplyDeleteDenise is making her usual good sense.
ReplyDeleteGene Goss is blaming his iPhone for not replying to e-mails.
ReplyDeleteWhen does Gene get past talking about himself?
DeleteYes, please do, Mod
ReplyDeleteGene Goss should resign
ReplyDeleteSo Goss is starting with apologies. For not responding to emails, for agreeing to meet with developers which he has had second thoughts on.
ReplyDeleteCouncil members really should have to obey time limits just like speakers do.
DeleteIt's sounding good so far...Goss is in sympathy with Delmar!
ReplyDeleteYay!!!!! Goss is making the right choices tonight. Yay!!!!
DeleteHow could he do anything different? He'd have to move.
DeleteHah! Goss has thrown in the towel. We won.
ReplyDeleteI think we misjudged him. He sure heard about the unfairness of making residents suffer for the sake of developers.
DeleteGene is a good man. People should move on to a fresh target.
DeleteGene changed his position from the last meeting. The reason he did that is we held his feet to the fire. That is what needs to be done with politicians. I trust none of them.
Delete3 yes votes so far....
ReplyDeleteSometimes I wish the councilmen were limited to three minutes, too.
ReplyDeleteJust VOTE.
That is 4.
ReplyDeleteVote 4 is in. Won't matter what Harabedian does.
ReplyDeleteWhat a beautiful thing it is when a council has the courage to withstand the forces of the market and choose for the well being of Sierra Madre. Wow.
ReplyDeleteHarabedian just called the One Carter lawyers' bluff. Did a good job too.
ReplyDeleteHis best talking so far.
DeleteHe needs to wrap it up.
DeleteI cannot believe what I am hearing. Thank you, Mary Mother of God.
ReplyDeleteAmen
DeleteCONGRATULATIONS, Tattler readers!
ReplyDeleteYou fought you won!!!!!!!
Denise Delmar has just saved the town.
ReplyDeleteHow different would the result have been if Green had won. Maybe God likes Sierra Madre after all.
DeleteKGEM has had mercy and froze again.
ReplyDeleteWhen the people lead, the city wins.
ReplyDelete