Saturday, December 27, 2014

Does Anybody Know What Methodology Is Used For Codifying City Of Sierra Madre Website Searches?

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I've been puzzled about this one for quite some time, yet I have never asked the question here. What methodology (or rubric if you prefer that term) was put into place to organize information searches on the City of Sierra Madre website? Because through the use of keywords, which is the most common way of accessing information on any website, whatever information you hope to pull up on the site is often not what you get. Sometimes the results can be random, or even bizarre, but rarely useful. I suspect that many site users here have found the experience to be as frustrating and off-putting as I have when doing their own research.

So I thought we'd look into this a little. Let's use the words "public safety" as an example of a possible CoSM website search. According to the website U.S. Legal.com (link), the definition of "public safety" is as follows:

Public Safety refers to the welfare and protection of the general public. It is usually expressed as a governmental responsibility. Most states have departments for public safety. The primary goal of the department is prevention and protection of the public from dangers affecting safety such as crimes or disasters. In many cases the public safety division will be comprised of individuals from other organizations including police, emergency medical services, fire force etc.

On November 25th of this year Sierra Madre Chief of Police Larry Giannone gave a presentation to the City Council on the possibilities of establishing a Public Safety Commission. The term "public safety" was at the heart of this City Council deliberation, as becomes obvious when reading the following passages from the Chief's report.


By my count the term "public safety" is used 12 times alone in just this one short passage from the Chief's presentation. To access any additional useful information regarding Chief Giannone's talk, please click here.

Now let's say you are working on your own report to further investigate the possibility of reorganizing the Police, Fire and Paramedic Services of Sierra Madre in a more proactive and community oriented way. Perhaps you favor the "Public Safety Commission" idea, but feel you need more information in order to understand the issues a little more clearly. Obviously the City of Sierra Madre website would seem to be a good resource for such a search.

Using the keywords "public safety" for your search, here are the results that turn up:


Nothing much there, right? You can try this with any number of topics and I think you will find that more times than not the results you get are random and not readily organized into any easily defined categories, and therefore not very useful.

Compare the above results with those you can find on the City of Monrovia website (link), the City of Pasadena website (link), and the City of San Dimas website (link). Obviously it can be done.

So my questions are these. What methodology was used for codifying information searches on the City of Sierra Madre website? And assuming that the information is there, how might it be made more readily accessible to site users?

Considering the taxpayer money that was invested in this site, things should be a lot better than they are.

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37 comments:

  1. I agree. Who built thensite? Who managesmit? How much does it cost? It's almost as ifnthe city intentionally obsfucate the info needed. So much forbtransparance. The City Manager hasto know this and one of her jobs should be to fix it.

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    1. Huh? Slowdown maybe turn off spellcheck.

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    2. I think that is what happens when you try to post from a smart phone on a very c-c-c-cold morning.

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  2. You're right. It is sophomoric .....actually most sophomores at Pasadena high, LaSalle or Alverno probably could have done a better job and for a much more modest fee.

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  3. Search result #1, which is about the danger presented by bears, says "public safety is summonsed for help." Does that mean they are sent a summons?

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  4. Search result #9 could be useful.

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  5. the chief wants the commission to advise the police and fire only. They could get a better rapport (the police) by not taking parking spaces at Kersting Court or by not double parking there. Or how about parking in the back of the PD instead of in the front. And then there are those skateboarders that are always given a pass, never a warning, as they knock down old ladies left and right. Or the pedophiles that I never have the privilege of seeing them being "checked on". Emails never returned. The chief is too busy for that. Or things that have been sent to the detectives division, you know, those happenings we never hear about again. Ah yes, what we need is another commission that does nothing and has no power. Shouldn't the chief be doing some of thesenthings all on his own? God forbid he should be innovative!

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    1. The parking of a police car in front of the station is a good way to slow down traffic.Taking parking places at Kersting Court is rare,the only double parking I see is during an active police matter. I haven't seen a reckless skateboarder in months. I am at Kersting Court normally on the sidewalk at Starbucks for 2-3 hours daily,sorry but I like Starbucks Bean Town is full of smelly children and stale coffee,That being said the city website in non functional if looking for information. Skateboarding is not a crime BTW......

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    2. The Chief doesn't want a Public Safety civilian commission pestering him. Neither does the Mayor. What they are looking for is a " study" conducted by a $50,000 consultant.

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    3. Of course. A consultant who will recommend police pay raises in order to help "retain quality employees."

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    4. I am at Beantown now, 7:26. Dining on a delcious breakfast bowl. And to your point, most here are older adults who look well groomed and healthy.

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  6. Pasadena and San Dimas both have either a Public Safety Commission or Committee. Monrovia has one for Traffic Safety.

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  7. Even the most novice of website developers should have command of the "key word", and search bar abilities tightly tied to the subject matter of the site. If it is not, that is done with purposeful action. What exists on the site is by design, and is executed via a plan. Nothing is uploaded or logged onto a website without a reason, if you can not find it it does not exist, or the web developer has created it to confuse, and distort the truth.
    Here is the pdf for California Public Safety
    http://www.ppic.org/content/pubs/report/R_1213MLR.pdf
    I would like to see Sierra Madre's crime stats for the 2012-2013 years and compare against LA county as a whole. I am willing to bet Sierra Madre could do with just 1 police officer. I come to this conclusion by using the coefficients of crime ratios per capita and comparing that to the arrest ratios of police officers in Los Angeles. I appears to take many many more officers to achieve many less arrests. If you take the ratio of coffee intake via Starbucks, and add it to the many times our local police harass the bike riders that help support the town, and the kids who get harassed for skateboarding, or other visitors to our small town being fleeced via our board boys in blue via the prolific ticket writing for having your tires not turned against the curb, or riding a bike without a helmet. The Sierra Madre police stats start to add up. If you take the felonious activity of pedophiles in Sierra Madre and subtract the inability of or police farce the figures really add up.

    Neuroblast Films

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    1. I used the wrong bored,...lame. sorry Tattlers sometimes I type with fury and I am a bit dyslexic.
      LOL

      Neuroblast Films

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    2. Neuroblast it's always great to see your posts. Thanks.

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    3. Great points as well.

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    4. What a maroon, 1 police officer? That's a town I would definitely NOT want to live in.

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  8. I used that search function a couple of times, then never again. You get much better results typing in "Sierra Madre" & then whatever you're searching for on Google.
    But it was great to go on the city site yesterday to look at the General Plan, and find it in the "Planning and Community Preservation Department." I know it's just a name change, but it's a great one.

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  9. I tried it on Google and only came up with 10 site-specific results (out of thousands) at the top:

    site: www.cityofsierramadre.com "public safety"

    So Google general search doesn't drill down like it used to. You have to go to the Advanced Search page and use it
    Advanced search still has the old features, it gives many results from cityofsierramadre.com
    http://www.google.com/advanced_search

    General reference page
    http://www.google.com/insidesearch/tipstricks/all.html

    A little movie here
    https://www.google.com/insidesearch/howsearchworks/thestory/

    City needs to buy a better search engine for its site, I assume it's on a public server? That makes a difference, too, because servers have different operating systems just like computers, pads and phones do.

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  10. It's A Conspiracy...December 27, 2014 at 9:21 AM

    From the Internet 12/27/2014:

    HAVERHILL, Mass. -- A mayor in Massachusetts is outraged that someone stole a baby Jesus statue from a church's Nativity scene and replaced it with a freshly decapitated pig's head, according to news reports.

    Haverhill Mayor James Fiorentini says the desecration has "all the elements of a hate crime." Police say the perpetrator could also face animal cruelty charges.

    The parish

    priest noticed the statue had been taken from the creche at Sacred Hearts Roman Catholic Church on Christmas morning.

    Police say the pig's head left in its place appears to have been recently severed and doesn't appear to have come from a butcher shop. Investigators are now seeking help from the public, reports CBS Boston.

    Meanwhile, a neighbor replaced the baby Jesus with one from her own creche.

    "I can't change the world, but I can change my city," Brenda Burns told the station. "I'm bringing this, and I'm asking everybody to do the same. Make a statement. You don't have to come here and hold a sign to be destructive. Just come to let everybody who drives by know. Not here. Not my city."

    The baby Jesus figurine was also stolen from the Nativity scene on the Greenfield Town Common, in a Massachusetts community nearly 100 miles away, likely before dawn on Christmas Eve.

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    1. Odd that the desecration of a Christmas creche can get a strong response from a city government in Massachusetts, yet here there wasn't a peep.

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    2. Odd I don't recall that ever happening here in 63 years? There certainly wasn't a peep? Someone stole the baby statue once 20 years ago as I recall?

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    3. The problem is our creche desecrations were reported on the Tattler. The city never responds to anything on the Tattler because they want people to think they don't read it.

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    4. Oh I see you're speaking of the pink Cow in the Chamber of Commerce's creche,hardly worth a peep ,no desecration, no secret,actually in the 4th of July parade and nobody was concerned for 3 years it was displayed. Good catch?

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    5. What about putting the Angel Gabriel in the manger with coins over its eyes? Harmless lark? Artistic freedom?

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    6. Nothing sanctifies desecration more than the Chamber of Commerce's involvement.

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    7. Photo op. never happened for longer than it took to snap the picture.There is a picture of me @ 4 years old in the cradle perhaps my parents sent you a card that year 1957 blasphemous I guess....

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    8. Don't look now, but someone just painted an obscenity on your house. But its OK, it was only a photo op.

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  11. The city website gives a very superficial appearance of transparency with little possibility of anything embarrassing being found. It is there to meet the requirements of state law without actually revealing anything. My guess is Colantuono was involved.

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    1. The city web site S****!

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  12. Hey Mod, how were you able to rename yesterday's anonymous poster as 'Katy Perry'?

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    1. Hi Steve. It was a moment of whimsy.

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    2. I think Steve has ADD. He never seems to be able to focus on the topic everyone else is talking about.

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  13. Only a high paid consultant can figure that one out. Try to find fees for stuff in the city.

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    1. If the Mayor wants to move up to a higher political office he will need to earn for the unions. He is in debt to the POA anyway.

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    2. the Mayor has no political future - all it takes is a simple google search and it doesn't take long to find out that he cheated to get elected

      but he runs a good meeting so he's a good administrative assistant

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  14. public safety?????

    how about not keeping a police officer on the force that shoots an unarmed person in the back?

    is that too much to ask?

    and Officer Amos racks up the overtime also

    our PD is a joke

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