Saturday, January 10, 2015

Why The City Of Sierra Madre Needs A Moratorium On Demolition Permits Right About Now

xxxxxxx Candidate  for Demolition: The 1907 Henry A. Darling House @ 126 E. Mira Monte xxxxxxxx

Two days ago, on January 8th to be exact, the City of Sierra Madre Planning & Community Preservation Department sent out a memorandum that not only set off shockwaves throughout this community, but also encapsulated for many the acute need for an immediate moratorium on home demolition permits here.

This memo came out just two days after the City Council had decided to move forward with its plans to create an ordinance that would place most home demolitions on hold for as long as two years. Which is approximately how long it will take to get the new General Plan finished and in effect. A process that will have then taken City Hall a ridiculous 8 years to complete, just so you know.

As we noted earlier this week, apparently there were 14 home demolition permits issued in 2014, with 4 additional ones in the pipeline now. Not a particularly huge amount, but not a good thing, either. And you never can tell, perhaps what follows could be much worse. Like today's case, for example.

With entire neighborhoods being visited by "name your price" realty agents from other places making unsolicited and inappropriate offers on existing homes, including some of this community's architectural treasures, some kind of protection needs to be put into place, and quickly. At least until the long anticipated new General Plan becomes the law.

Here is the memorandum:


If you need an example of why the creation of an ordinance to halt home demolitions is essential, the proposed razing of the Henry A. Darling house should do the trick.

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Here is how this historic structure was described by the Podley Properties folks, which is found on the Redfin site (link):

The Henry A. Darling House. This home exudes a kind of permanence and sense of place that can only be earned. On nearly half an acre this historic 3Bed/2Bath Craftsman style residence is located on one of Sierra Madre's most desirable streets. A full-width front porch, wood siding, and clipped gable roof announce the character of this Arts & Crafts period home. Original features continue on the interior with an impressive river rock fireplace, oak floors, built-ins, and wood wainscoting with plate rail. Beautiful wood windows look out onto lush greenery from every room, enhancing the relaxed Southern California feel of this home. Extensive intact period features make this home the perfect restoration project. The rear garden is planted with specimen plants and mature foliage creating a private and unique outdoor environment.

I can't help but note the irony in this Realty Concern's use of the phrase, "This home exudes a kind of permanence and sense of place that can only be earned." Certainly the permanence part must now be questioned.

That this real estate agency would then turn around and sell this historic "exudes a kind of permanence and sense of place that can only be earned" type of home to what is apparently a demolish and flip Mini-Mansion builder shows a certain level of cynicism and hypocrisy on their part. Especially after a lead Sierra Madre agent at Podley Properties had stood before the City Council recently and expressed her horror at just that very kind of thing.

As someone I know in the real estate field pointed out to me when I e-mailed for his take on this lamentable situation, you can't claim to care about Sierra Madre and then make a big profit at the expense of the community at the same time.

Obviously we need that moratorium on demolition permits put into place now. The barbarians are at the gate.

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118 comments:

  1. Uh...that's their business, selling and buying homes, what happens to it after the transaction is really none of their business. Innapropriate prices....it's what a willing buyer will pay and a willing seller accepts, that's what defines appropriateness.

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    1. Hey Watchman of Sierra Madre, what's shaking? Couple of points. The woman who runs Podley Properties in Sierra Madre, Judy Webb Martin, stood before the city council recently and expressed her horror at the destruction of Sierra Madre's unique home and small town heritage. That is what is being referred to here. An inability to match deeds with words. And the term that was used here is "inappropriate offers," not "inappropriate prices." There is a difference. An inappropriate offer for example would be one where an out of town third party buyer purchases a traditional Sierra Madre home with the purpose of destroying it and building a - let's say - McMansion. After all, neighbors are property owners too, and as such have rights. Nobody wants to live next to something that robs your own property of some of its value, which is often what out of character development results in. That is why we have things like a Planning Commission, to protect the rights of those who are already property owners. Even cranky old dudes like you.

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    2. 5:15 must be a realtor. Its like the criminal defense attorney who gets his rapist client out of jail on a technicality and doesn't care about the crimes they commit aftewards. Those two agents must have known what the buyer had contemplated for the future of this "historic" house that "exudes a kind of permanence..." They get their real estate commission and the "Henry A. Darlling House" turns into a pile of rubble. Thanks alot local realtors.

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    3. Actually I don't think it is a realtor. I believe it is the guy who writes those long cranky letters to the Sierra Madre Weekly under the name "Watchman of Sierra Madre." He thinks you should be able to build whatever you want on your property no matter how badly it impacts every other property owner in the area. His real name is John Govorchin.

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    4. I love the property rights crowd. The only problem with them is they ignore the property rights of the neighbors who perhaps have lived in their home for 30 years and bought it because of the views, light and privacy allowed by the surrounding homes. Now you have some out-of-town developer who wants to tear down a home, build a McMansion and block that neighbors views, light and privacy that they have enjoyed for 30 years. Sorry, but I'm on the side of the property rights of the neighbor and not the developer.

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    5. Hey 5:15! "Uh" right back at you!

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    6. 7:45 AM,
      Well stated!

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    7. I just can't believe someone would want to tear down a classic craftsman like this. Maybe we should thank them for showing why a demolition moratorium is needed now. I'd also have to ask why this home hasn't been designated as historical to protect it from the depradations of developers like this.

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    8. I'd like to see a few realtors get up and speak at some of these important City Council and Planning Commission meetings that are literally now deciding if Sierra Madre will turn into Arcadia. They know better than anyone what is going on here in town because they have their fingers on the pulse. They know whose buying, what they are buying, why they are buying and where they are buying. They need to speak up. Judy Webb Martin was at one meeting. How about that agent for the buyer of Mira Monte, Reni Rose, or that other agent, Vanessa Withers of Podley showing up for just one meeting and saying something in support of the town that clearly does not want to turn into another Arcadia. Unfortunately, some of these agents don't want to antagonize their developer clients and they don't want to lose their commissions.

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    9. I don't know Vanessa Withers, but I can tell you that Reni Rose will never be on the side of preservation, unless there's money in it.

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    10. Reni is a big Mountain Views News advertiser.

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    11. Judy Webb Martin only cares about Judy Webb Martin. Period!

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    12. You see, here's the thing, to sell and purchase residential properties Realtors are not required. If the buyer contacts the seller directly they can arrange the transaction without involving ANY Realtors, they would use an escrow company and maybe an attorney, it's a dicey proposition doing FSBO's. Beating up on Realtors is a non starter for any argument concerning preservation, the fight needs to be turned more towards city hall and changing codes and issuing moratoriums on demo and building codes etc... I'm not a Realtor, have never used one, do your homework and you can save tens of thousands of dollars.

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    13. So you are saying that realtors are so amoral they cannot possibly be expected to be responsible citizens? Thought provoking, but probably inaccurate.

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    14. How did you ever extrapolate that from 5:24? Read what you want, interpret as you will.

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    15. "Beating up on Realtors is a non starter for any argument concerning preservation, the fight needs to be turned more towards city hall and changing codes and issuing moratoriums on demo and building codes etc…"

      Seemed pretty obvious to me.

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    16. I put Realtors in the same category as the developers. 7:39 is somewhat correct in that we can't and should not expect them to do the right thing. We need to control the destiny of this town and not rely on the realtors or the developers to do the right thing. In fact, we should expect them to do the wrong thing and enact policies and rules in our General Plan and Municipal Code to protect the City. Let's not be victims. Let's control our destiny or rather the City of Sierra Madre's destiny.

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  2. Nice try. Tear down historical properties like this, put up McMansions and then you're Alhambra. Don't forget to add a bunch of condos to the mix.

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  3. Here is how Podley Properties describes Sierra Madre on their website:

    "Sierra Madre is a small quaint, friendly village with storefronts reminiscent of the 1920's and 1930's. It is well known as a haven for artists, poets and creative people who enjoy a variety of home styles including California Bunglow, Victorian, Spanish, Ranch and Traditional. Locals and visitors can be found nightly strolling through town, visiting the many coffee shops, restaurants and sidewalk cafes, which often feature local musicians."

    Not after they get done with it.

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    1. The pictures show a box beam ceiling, stone fireplace and the ceder waintscotting. This is a classic Craftsman. Its just criminal to tear down a house like this. Its part of Sierra Madre's history. These owners obviously don't appreciate what Sierra Madre is all about. They see this only as an oportunity to make a profit. I'm sure their real estate agent discussed the possbilities for a tear down and how big a house they can build.

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  4. The mortorium needs to happen now. Arcadia had the $$ to put in new deeper water wells just beyond our reach (which I think although don't know that means if they are always pumping then Sierra Madre wells can't recharge as fast). Now Arcadia's housing issue is creeping into Sierra Madre. If we don't take appropriate actions, well heck, in a few years we might as well consider annexing with them. We'll need to think of a good name for our new larger city... Arcadia Madre, Sierracadia... ?? Those don't sound good, nor can I think of a good one, so I hope this mortorium kicks in very very quickly.

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    1. The City of Monrovia stopped demolitions for homes built as recently as the 1940's. For goodness sake, this home was built in 1907. I can't wait to hear those owners get up and tell us they had to do it. Maybe they ought to hire CETT's lawyer McDonald so that they can cram their new project down our throats like the One Carter folks.

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  5. Doesn't AWest live on Mira Monte?

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    1. Yep. With a minimum of fuss. He's probably quite comfortable there - and more with each passing day because the community is doing nothing about it.

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  6. According to Redfin, the listing agent was Vanessa Withers of Podley Properties right here in Sierra Madre. The agent who represented the buyer is Reni Rose of Berkshire Hathway in Sierra Madre. As far as I'm concerned both agents are enablers to the destruction of this historic home. This is the poster child for why we need a demolition moratorium. I'm sure alot of the real estate agents in town have clients who are looking for tear downs and you can bet that agents like Vanessa Withers and Reni Rose are more than happy to accomodate them to earn a big real estate commission. Unfortunately, there are too many agents right here in town who are willing to sell Sierra Madre down the river for personal gain.

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    1. These agents need to help preserve Sierra Madre and not make the big bucks on the backs of a community that doesn't want the same kind of destruction visited on Sierra Madre that we see so clearly in Arcadia. They can't have it both ways. These are local realtors. Don't they care about preserving this town? How sad.

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    2. Someone should organize a protest when these agents put the McMansion for sale and hold an open house!

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    3. Hopefully it doesn't get to that. Someone should go over to 126 E Mira Monte and put a Preserve Sierra Madre lawn sign in that yard.

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    4. I wonder if the neighbors at 126 E. Mira Monte need Preserve Sierra Madre signs too? They are the ones that are really going to take the hit! It is ironic that Mira Monte means look at the mountain. When a mcmansion is built, several neighbors will not be able to "Look at the mountain"!

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    5. Great idea 7:46 and 8:59!

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    6. I love that. Mira Monte means "look at the mountain". Just dripping with irony. Thanks to the alert Tattler reader for that one. The neighbors probably don't even know what 's being contemplated. This is why we have to get the word out. You have One Carter, Stonehouse, potential lot split on Michllinda, 576 Elm Street is now going to be tearing something down and building a few houses, you have the gargantuan project on Mariposa courtesy of Mur-Sol and the Grohs brothers. Its happening all over town. The transformation to another Arcadia does not happen all at once - its one project at a time and its happening all over town. There are also developers who aleady own the properties and are just waiting for the right time. Wake up Sierra Madre! Once we lose control like Arcadia did, than its over - there won't be anything left to preserve.

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    7. The thing is, it never stops. We keep hearing positive noise from the city, yet the damage continues. Why?

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    8. I know a lot of realtors have a sleazy kind of used car salesman feel about them. They are also way over-paid for what they do. In the case of Mira Monte, these agents fit the bill. Maybe they can't always control what a client will ultimately do, but by being silent in the face of an ever-growing preservationist movement in Sierra Madre, they are showing loud and clear where their loyalties lie.

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    9. Knock on the doors of your neighbors, and tell them to attend the City Council meeting Tuesday at 6:30 (come when you can). City Council must have the backbone to deny the first McMansion at One Carter. Council members Delmar and Goss met with the architect, and relayed what was needed to get it approved. YOU absolutely need to be there to give our City Council the courage to deny anything less.

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  7. I saw a video recently of what one group of people opposed to McMansions did. They literally held a protest at a realtors open house to sell one of those McMansions complete with signs and chanting. We might consider the same thing when agents bird dog a candidate for a tear down in Sierra Madre and then are the listing agent for the sale of the McMansion. I can understand agents outside our community not caring about Sierra Madre. But if you have an office in Sierra Madre and/or live in Sierra Madre, then this become unconscionable.

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    1. I'll carry a sign at a protest like that. While we can't control the out of town realtors, we can at least try to influence and shame the realtors who do work and perhaps live in Sierra Madre.

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  8. These agents need to pay a price for not supporitng preservation in Sierra Madre. Where are they at all the various meetings trying to control McMansions and over-development in Sierra Madre? Other than Judy Webb Martin who spoke out one time, their silence is deafening and speaks volumes for what their true concern is - earning a real estate commission at the expense of the community they serve.

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    1. I think they want be known as preservationist friends of Sierra Madre without it interfering with their making the big money. Two things obviously at odds with one another. They certainly don't want their actions to interfere with their PR.

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    2. Hopefully, the ones that live in Sierra Madre will care more about the community than they care about their real esate commissions. Don't count on it however.

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    3. If you know a real estate agent, invite her (usually) to the City Council meeting on Tuesday, and come with her.

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  9. There are buyers out there for these kinds of home that would never even think about tearing down a historic home like this one. This is your classic1907 historic Craftsman. Look at those pictures. Are you kidding me? If the realtors and developers have their way, than every home like this is in jeorpardy. This is precisely why Monrovia moved foward so agressively to stop this kind of destruction.

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    1. The realtors remarks also says that the "Extensive intact period features make this home the perfect restoration project." What kind of people would want to tear down the "Henry A. Darling House"? Are these the kind of people now moving to Sierra Madre?

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    2. Yes, 7:47. Look around. Take a drive up Camillo - disgusting!

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  10. The fact that people are contemplating tearing down this historic house just goes to show you that nothing is sacred or safe in Sierra Madre anymore. People should protest this obomination every step of the way and shame these people into changing their mind.

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  11. The City Council and the Planning Commission need to act agressively to stop this trend. The time for half-measures is over.

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    1. This city council has put three moratoriums in place. That's pretty good.

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    2. This is one of the best City Councils we have ever had so the timing could not be better to get this right and preserve the City. We still have to keep the pressure on. No time to relax yet.

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  12. Where is the Sierra Madre historical society in all of this or do we even have one in Sierra Madre?

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    1. The reason there's a Sierra Madre left at all is because of people like those in the historical society. There have been many struggles over many years, and just because somebody isn't on the front lines right now doesn't mean they haven't been there before.
      Same thing goes for Webb-Martin. She was one of the hardest working members of Residents for the Preservation of Sierra Madre. It wasn't her fault that Buchanan, Stockly, Joffe and Torres were frauds.
      There's a long history of preservation activism here.

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    2. Let me get this straight. Judy was in a so-called preservation organization with Johnny Electric, Banker Stockley and Me Too Torres and thought she was doing some real good for Sierra Madre? Really? C'mon, you are pulling my leg, right? You cannot be serious.

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    3. Back in the DSP vs Measure V days lots of pro big development people used to claim they were for preservation. It was part of the con.

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    4. 8:07,
      Webb Martin worked very hard to stop the development at Carter when there was an organized resistance by the people who formed Residents for the Preservation of Sierra Madre.
      The 4 council members were not members, were not preservationists. They voted to develop, not save.
      Give credit, and blame, where it's due.

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    5. What about the DSP?

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    6. Many people were mislead, actually thought the DSP would help in preserving Sierra Madre for what it is. It is easy to look back now and scoff at those people. They were also mislead with the building industry's flyers about how the McMansions and/or blight would come if Measure V were passed. We need to work together
      now. Yup, the barbarians ARE at the gate!

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    7. The DSP was a colossal betrayal of the people of this town. The tactics were crude, cruel, demeaning and at times even violent. I cannot forgive so easily.

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    8. Downtown Specific Plan. Circa 2006. It would have demo'd downtown Sierra Madre and replaced it with mixed use high density housing. Kind of like the crap you can see today in places like Duarte, Azusa, Rancho Cucamonga and Pasadena. A group of preservationist Sierra Madre residents put something called Measure V on the ballot and, despite $180,000 spent by the California Assoc of Realtors and the Building Industry Assoc, it prevailed. In the process saving downtown Sierra Madre.

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    9. Judy Webb martin was licking her chops to get in on the condo commissions with the DSP.....That is why we own a dumb ass park called Rube Goldberg Judy's business went a little down when people realized she tried to sell the town out and leave for Santa Barbara. Thank God for Kurt Zimmerman and Kevin Dunn.

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    10. The DSP was the second big betrayal of Sierra Madre in the works, after the first huge loss at Carter. The preserve-by-developing crowd thought they were on a roll and that the slow growth side was dead after Carter.
      Not so dead after all, as it turned out.

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  13. The only group right now trying to do anything about these threats is Preserve Sierra Madre. If you don't want to see Sierra Madre go the way of Arcadia, visit their website at www.PreserveSierraMadre.com or email them and get in their database at PreserveSierraMadreNow@gmail.com

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  14. I think I want to throw up. We actually wanted to buy this house and restore it. What a waste if it is demolished.

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    1. I wish you would have bought it 8:30. At least you recognize that house as a true historical treasure regardless of its condition at the moment.

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  15. Preserve Sierra Madre Now needs your support .Please attend Tuesday City Council. Meeting is at 6:30
    These people are working hard to stop Arcadia type monstrous eye sores from destroying our town.
    Help them!!!!!

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    1. If you post today, please come to the City Council meeting Tuesday night. Posting your views on the blog is not enough! You must follow up with action. Not a night to view the meeting on TV.

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    2. We need speakers, clappers and just plain bodies at the Tuesday meeting. Remember what Woody Allen said: 90% of life is just showing up.

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  16. 8:33 is right. YOU will make a difference if you show up at Tuesday's meeting. There is strength in numbers. City Council must know that we are watching and that we do care what happens.

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  17. What is this historical survey Mayor Harabedian has referred to several times?

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    1. The historical survey is about a commission that will go around, look at houses of a certain age and decide whether they should be designated historical. Problem with this is some owners don't want that designation and the added bonus of city hall dragging their feet to grt it done. They also talked about a citizen committee for house designs. That hasn't been rought up again either.

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    2. Back in the day there was just such an effort, to put people's homes on an historical list whether they wanted to be there or not.
      Big backlash, that ended with the dissolution of the historical commission.

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    3. There were a lot of expensive obligations that came along with being the owner of a home on the historical list. It was not a very good deal.

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    4. For all that goes wrong in Pasadena, they have a pretty strong historical group. They have put entire neighborhoods in historical districts.

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  18. I'm not defending the demolition of Sierra Madre's treasure of older homes but one home I do know about. Several years ago the Dr. Frey home on Canon was sold to a family who wanted to restore it to its former Craftsman grandeur. And it was demo'd to a couple of studs protruding from its foundation. Fortunately the La Canada couple who bought the property had the means and integrity to rebuild with quality materials, on the original footprint, with a Craftsman ethic. Folks driving by would be hardpressed to claim it wasn't a spectacular example of Sierra Madre's treasury of older homes. By the way, it wasn't the homeowners' intent to demo originally, it was the result of years of neglect and decay that caused the drastic action. If only every demo'd home could have the experience!

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    1. Is that the house where they split the lot and that awful glass house was erected?

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    2. No 10:10 ii ia on the corner on Canon and Alegria

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    3. I like the glass house. that design would be better than the one offerred by Adele at Carter.

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    4. They should have bought another home. Don't buy it if your intention is to bulldoze it. You buy a home like this because you love it and respect its history. There are so many things that can be done to an interior of an old home like this that it can be as nice or nicer than any new home you can build today.

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  19. There are alot of Real Estate Agents working here in Sierra Madre who are on the "hunt" for tear-down opportunities for their all cash clients. That is only one of the problems. We can't really control them other than to shame them or blackball them. What we can control is the loopholes that these developers are exploiting. We need to take action now before its too late.

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  20. The reason this is happening is 4 mayors in a row prevented the updated General Plan from being finished. Buchanan, Mosca, Moran and Walsh. You want to know why things like the impending demolition of the Henry A Darling are happening? Elect bad people and bad things will happen.

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    1. Who will run for City Council in a year to help Delmar and Arizmendi to help them on CC? If you know anyone, please persuade him/her to run. We need good people!

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  21. Much of this controversy could be avoided if Sierra Madre had design review. If contractors and developers were required to submit the entire package - request for demo, rebuild design, and landscape plan - up front it would be immensely helpful.

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  22. Is it possible to find out who purchased this house?

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  23. I happen to know the family that purchased this house 1 1/2 years ago. The only heat in the house is by a wood stove and the front porch is made of plywood. The house is a pit. They have been working with a local architect for the past year and have submitted a few plans to the city for improvements to the property, not tearing it down but working within the current framework. Each plan was turned down. They love Sierra Madre and are renting a home nearby so their kids can go to school here. They want to make this town their home and are trying to build a home that will suit the neighborhood. They are not developers or house flippers but a real family of nice people.

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    1. Can you supply the details on how and why the plans to restore a classic 1907 Craftsman home were turned down? I am sorry, but what you are saying here sounds highly unlikely to me. Do you have any dates when this went before the planning commission? BTW - A 3,500 square foot home will not "suit the neighborhood."

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    2. Have they ever watched "This Old House?" Incredible rehabs are possible without tearing down the entire house. And like 11:01 AM stated, replacing it with a house that's 1500 sf larger than the original does not suit the neighborhood. They purchased it for 925K, hardly the price of "a pit."

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    3. The people who bought it are David and Tschida Brown. I ain't buying that they can't restore it. The listing agent says in their marketing remarks that the home's "Extensive intact period features make this home the perfect retoration project.". Judging by the pictures, its a classic craftsman with the box-beam ceilings. No one would tear down such a home. You really have no business buying that home if your intention is to tear it down. Buy a home that suits your needs and size requirements or do a tasteful add-on. Not very neighborly to come in and start tearing down Sierra Madre's treasures not to mention how the new home will fit in with the neighborhood and impact on the neighbors. Move to Arcadia if you want a brand new McMansion with alot of pillars and marble.

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    4. If you know the owners 10:56, why can't you gently tell them to save the property or sell it to someone who will save it. Maybe the problem is they hired an architect like Adele Chang. There are architects and contractors out there who specialize in restoring old homes like this. Tell them to give the house another chance.

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    5. 10:56 is not being truthful.

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    6. To: 11:01 - what 10:56 stated is very true. To echo 10:56 - the owners are wonderful people who are not flippers and love Sierra Madre for the wonderful community that it is and did not intend to tear down the house. Their plan was to keep, restore and add on to the back. If you want details on why the plans to restore the home were denied - ask anyone behind the counter in the building dept. To: 2:52 - unfortunately this in not TV - this is real life. Try resorting a home with a rock foundation in earthquake country. To: 2:09 you have no business (to use your words) commenting without having ALL THE FACTS - enough said. To: 2:39 what 10:56 said is very truthful (except the part where they refer to the house as being a pit.

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    7. Anybody who wants to demolish a 2,200 sq foot 107 year old heirloom home and replace it was something far larger is going to raise some suspicions in the community. Especially when you consider what has been going on in some of the neighboring towns. 3:16 - you have been asked to explain why this house must be torn down. Telling people to "ask anyone behind the counter in the building dept." is not really a very good answer. Why don't you tell us what you know? Try and make a little more sense this time. Honestly, you sound to me like an embarrassed realtor who got caught doing something very unfortunate.

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  24. Go to the Council meeting Tuesday and the Planning Commission Wednesday. The only way to get things done is to voice your discontent.

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    1. You mean the council on Tuesday, PC on Thursday.
      Thank goodness, a night off in between.
      Damn city protection is a full time job.

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  25. Planning Commission meets 1st and 3rd Thursdays

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  26. The big story from today's Mountain Views News is they spelled the name of the President of the Sierra Madre Chamber of Commerce Ed Chin.

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    1. Thanks. Now I don't have to read it.

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    2. That home is not a candidate for a tear down. David and Tschida Brown should not have bought a Craftsman if they wanted to tear it down. They certainly must have done their inspections to know the condition of the property before they bought it and what was needed. I would be very skeptical that they ever had the intention of restoring it. If it was too much work for them, let another buyer restore it. Can you imagine the history in that house? They are looking out for themselves and want a big, brand new home. The home is on a big lot so that they can max out the square footage that will be allowed on that size lot. They may live there, they may not - it doesn't matter. Don't buy a 1907 Craftsman that the realtor markets as "historic" and even has its own name: "The Henry A. Darling House". I will give you a rule of thumb: When a house has a name, its probably historical and should not be razed to the ground.

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    3. People need to show up at every meeting concerning the demolition moratorium and every meeting that discusses the 126 E. Mira Monte project and try our best to stop the taking of Sierra Madre's history.

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  27. 10:56 a .m. has the story right. I also know this family and they are lovely people, not developers or house flippers. The house is in terrible disrepair and many of the historic details are not high quality examples of the period. I am also weary of an entire blog thread spun off of a realtor's marketing description rather than actual facts.

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    1. Turning a site with a 2,200 square foot classic Sierra Madre home (sorry, I know that doesn't fit into your narrative) into a 3,500 square foot mini-mansion is not lovely. It is exploitation.

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    2. Why would someone pay almost a million dollars for a house that is "in terrible disrepair?" Are they interested in buying any bridges?

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  28. Isn't it peculiar that 100% of the post on the Tattler are anonymous? Everyone should be required to use their actual names in order to submit a post. If names were required - the Tattle would not exist as there would be NO POSTS AT ALL! Cowards find it is easy to send extremely nasty posts and throw stones while standing behind a wall of anonymity. So, why am I using Anonymous??? To give all of you with nothing better to do with your lives but to make good people feel bad and cause needless pain on others something else to complain and be negative about... Have fun with this one!

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    1. Discussing planning and development issues in Sierra Madre is hurtful to you? Are you a house?

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    2. Little early in the day for the drunken weepies 12:26....

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    3. Just because somebody 12:26 cares about is going to demolish a 107 year old Sierra Madre heirloom home is no reason for anyone to get snarky. Even Attila the Hun had feelings, you know.

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    4. Most of you sound so ignorant!!!!!! Have you stopped to ask your self what condition the 107 year old home is in, or you don't care because you don't own it so its not your problem. Maybe their neighbor doesn't want to live next to a run down home. Have any of you stopped to think what will happen to our home prices if a moratorium goes into effect? Good luck ever trying to sell your home. Again, you probably don't care because at the moment it doesn't effect you. Have you ever stopped to wonder if the city can even afford a moratorium? IT CAN'T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I would suggest you all read the City Manager's budget from 2013-2015. If this ridiculous idea goes any further, it will cripple our city. As it is, Sierra Madre has had to cut Neighbor hood Watch programs, the aquatics program, the business watch program. They have had to make drastic cuts in all of their non-emergency programs. PLEASE BE REASONABLE AND MOVE AWAY FROM THIS ALL OR NOTHING AGENDA, THERE IS A MIDDLE GROUND, FIND IT. No one wants Sierra Madre to turn into Arcadia or Alhambra, but lets not throw the baby out with the bathwater!!!!! Where are all of the reasonable voices in this argument?

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    5. Where are the reasonable voices? Certainly not where you are sitting.

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    6. Saving a 107 year old classic Craftsman home from some dirtbag who wants to build a grotesque McMansion is reasonable. Some nutso realtor trying to create special exceptions so they can make money off of the destruction of Sierra Madre is not.

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  29. What a narrow minded point of you. I hope you understand what a miserable person you sound like you are

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    1. Turn off your computer and go sell some houses. Your boss thinks you're an idiot as it is.

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  30. We should let this family build their dream home. It is not right.

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  33. I understand wanting to preserve this home, however I don't believe that enacting a moratorium for absolutely NO demolition is the right solution. What about those homes that would benefit from demolition (that are not historical homes) and would help increase the value of Sierra Madre and make it even more beautiful. A moratorium is not the answer, its a knee-jerk reaction that will end up back-firing and decreasing the value of our homes and leaving eye-sores of homes that need to be re-built.

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    1. That's nice. Whose house would you like to demolish first?

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  34. I can certainly see both sides of this argument, but have to agree that a complete moratorium seems a bit unreasonable. I moved from Arcadia to Sierra Madre to get away from what's happening there. There has to be a way to evaluate each property and make a decision on a case by case basis.

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    1. How is that different from Arcadia? The place you came here to get awsy from?

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