Wednesday, April 15, 2015

Harabedian Lawyers Really Hard For Big Houses - And Comes Up One Vote Short

Not a good night for Johnny Process.
"Free people do ugly and dangerous things sometimes and you've got to roll with the punches." - Gene Goss being really strange.

The City Council was prepared to cast its collective vote for the Planning Commission's McMansion busting recommendations on such things as lowering the CUP (Conditional Use Permit) threshold, lowering the Floor Area Limits (how big a home you can build on a given sized lot) and making a CUP mandatory for all new 2-story homes or additions. All Planning Commission approved changes to the R-1 building regulations for the City of Sierra Madre. Things seemed properly set up and ready to roll. After a lot of time and hard work it was all about to come together. The fight to stop any additional mansionization in Sierra Madre was about to take a big step forward.

That was until John Harabedian began a seemingly endless stream of completely unabashed lawyering on the behalf of, well, somebody. Which, when you consider all of the resistance he was receiving from the three more competent members of the City Council, two folks from the Planning Commission, the City Attorney and almost everyone else in the room, came off as being a little bizarre.

What exactly was Harabedian fighting so hard for? Who were these mysterious people he kept referring to? Who exactly was he lawyering for? Was there even a point to any of this?

That John Harabedian (along with his sidekick Gene Goss) lost their big house gambit by a 3 to 2 vote is fortunate. Because Johnny worked very hard to stop it.

One particularly unfortunate moment from (thankfully) outgoing Mayor Harabedian was his gratuitous claim that if you oppose mansionization in Sierra Madre, it's because you are paranoid and delusional.

Why the insults, Mayor? After all the glad handing and grinning assurances about the need to save this town from Arcadia's troubling fate over the last year, is this how you really feel about the fight to preserve Sierra Madre? That it is the product of people suffering from paranoia and delusional behavior? Is that what you really think?

We haven't heard that kind of insulting talk from a sitting Mayor in quite some time. It is like we are back in the DSP - Measure V days all over again.

What's next, the resurrection of the Cumquat?

It is important to point out that this discussion has been going on for 9 years now, back when Arcadia was still a quaint ranch home community. Paranoia and delusional behavior would need to have been mixed with clairvoyance for Mayor Harabedian's unfortunate aspersions to have any validity.


One of the strangest moments of the night came about when Harabedian and Goss refused to identify the people who are supposedly upset with these planning code reforms. Apparently they are people who don't go to meetings, won't speak up in public, only talk to two City Councilmembers and don't want anyone to know who they are.

A very mysterious constituency. Yet these are the people Harabedian and Goss put it all on the line for last night? Something just is not right about that. It does make you wonder.

Thank you Councilmembers Arizmendi and Delmar, and Mayor Pro Tem Capoccia, for hanging tough for the preservation of Sierra Madre.

Personally, I think that 3 to 2 vote was great. It got a little exciting there for a while, but it was also a reminder of how quickly things can go south at City Hall. Especially when certain elected officials somehow decide to work against the interests of the people who put them there.

It certainly wouldn't be the first time that has happened.

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120 comments:

  1. Always remember this: A tiger never changes his stripes and a snake is always a snake.

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    1. I too would like to know who Harabedian and Goss were fighting so hard for. They seemed almost angry about all this.

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    2. We will not take a vacation again if there is a council meeting. We both apologize and feel like we let you guys down. We did send e-mails to the council prior to our leaving. Mr. Desai and Gina are to be commended for not backing down from the mayor's relentless questioning. Bravo! Hard to fathom that the area around Grand Canyon is being pushed by developers. The locals are up in arms. Seems the fight is everywhere as Ms. Del Mar mentioned last night. The gentleman who spoje about his lack of privacy was very eloquent, also. We need to stay vigilant!

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    3. Ms. Thayer, it looks like some emails matter, but others don't. Harabedian kept referring to the "off line" contacts he had received.
      I wonder if Harabedian really wants to turn the council into a vote taking body, and base decisions on the numbers of "off line" votes he gets.

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    4. Yes 8:34 the fight is everywhere!
      It makes it all the more stupefying that Goss and Harabedian took the position that there wasn't any real threat to Sierra Madre.

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    5. They also implied that people in favor of the Planning Commission recommendation had some kind of irrational fear about outsiders. Well, look no further than Arcadia, where residents of the Highlands are suing the city over McMansion building in their neighborhood, San Marino which is trying to curb demolitions and oversized basements, Monrovia, Burbank, and it goes on and on and on. You call that an irrational fear? People are starting to rise up to prevent those who want to change the character of neighborhoods by building over-sized homes that are not compatible with neighborhoods and often times adversely impact on the neighbor's views, light and privacy.

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    6. It seems like very time I open the newspaper, there is an article about some McMansion fight somewhere. In addition, I know that whenever Preserve Sierra Madre has sent newspaper articles to its supporters to keep them informed, I notice they always cc the City Council also. The idea that Goss and Harabedian aren't aware of any problem to be solved is laughable but it also borders on, to use a nice word, fibbing.

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  2. Barry and I streamed the meeting live in Arizona. Figures we would not be at this what has become a very important meeting. Neither of us could believe what we were hearing. Mr. Harabedian and Mr. Goss are disappointments. Thank God for all those regular Sierra Madre folk who attended and spoke. The problem being will the mayor remember any of what he heard?

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    1. I'm glad we prevailed last night but we sure could have used the Gold's there. It was touch and go for awhile and starting to go sideways every time John Capoccia kept giving Harabedian to re-visit issues that seemingly had already reached a majority of favorable votes. At some point earlier on, the door needs to be shut and move on to something else. It turned out ok in the end....but just barely.

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    2. Good thing KGEM's on-line streaming service was actually working last night. Usually it is unwatchable.

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    3. Judy, the mayor was not listening to a word anyone said.

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    4. But 7:45, that was exactly what Capoccia did - he shut the door after genuine and persistent attempts to get the others to see reason.

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    5. Capoccia tried to gain a consensus and that's a good thing. But Harabedian used that opportunity to pontificate rather than compromise. I think for awhile there, it seemed like Harabedian and Goss were trying to dominate the meeting with their agenda. I'm glad the others held firm in the end. It would have been a disaster to bring it back for another meeting.

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    6. Alarmingly the casting vote was made by that candle-in-the-wind Capoccia. If the threat of over-development is defeated only by a vote from Capricious Capoccia - we are in trouble. What happens when he is Mayor?

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    7. I don't think Capoccia needs to feel that he has to compromise so much. He can stand on his principles and do it very nicely and without rancor. I don't think its fair to those who attended the meeting to keep allowing Harabedian to keep talking. Everybody can state their position. A little back and forth and some compromise is appropriate but let's stick to our principles. Capoccia is now on record however of really going the extra mile and he should be commended for that but the other side obviously did not want to compromise.

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  3. Johnny and Gene, the "The Bart Doyle Marionettes"!

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    1. I'd love to know who's been talking to them because Harabedian and Goss were ready at the get go to de-rail the great work of the Planning Commission.

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    2. You can bet that the Mayor and Gene has some discussions prior to the meeting. They get emboldened because they know that they have someone joining them. Its called collusion.

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  4. It was a very strange meeting in so many ways. Harabadian and Goss got together on behalf of who knows who just as the Tattler said and wanted to undo all the good work done by the Planning Commission. They went on to try to convince people that nobody cared about these issues. Where have they been? Both of them were so focused on people having the absolute right to build whatever they wanted that they didn't seem to have the slightest concern for what that 2nd story McMansion would do to the neighbor's and their views, light and privacy. That's what all the fights have been about whether its in Arcadia, Burbank, Los Angels or San Marino. Goss even went so far as to say that if a neighbor ever did that to him, he would just grin and bear it and how it was the American way. It was a fairly significant reversal for their positions in the past or maybe their true colors came out. Thank goodness for the Planning Commissioners who showed up and defended their recommendations - Gina and Chairman Dasai - they were outstanding and heroes to the cause. John Hutt was also his usual articulate and logical self.

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    1. Shout out to Matt Bryant for his speech, and Deb Sheridan can always be counted on to say smart things.

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    2. It lucky some people showed up to speak. Most of us thought the council's approval was a mere formality. How wrong we were? I'm glad the Planning Commissioners were there to provide their expertise and reasoning. It also shows us all how precarious things are. Just when we thought we had this great City Council that was pro-preservation and reasonable, this happens. I think we need Gina Frierman-Hunt on the City Council. Can you imagine if she was there instead of Goss. You also refused to back down to the Mayor. She was superb as was Chairman Desai who was subjected to the brunt of the interrogation by Harabeidan. He also refused to back down. My hats off to them.

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  5. Gene Goss conflating victimhood with being American was just plain strange.

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    1. If you get screwed by the developers 2-story new home or your neighbor's addition and it blocks your views. light and privacy and reduces the value of your property by $100,000, just grin and bear it. What is he talking about? Neighbors have property right too.

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    2. I don't know what got into Goss and Harabedian last night. They have been pretty good up until now. Some other interests really leaned on them before the meeting and they came out firing. Thank goodness, Gina and Manish were there to politely explain to them the error in their ways. Those two Planning Commissioners really saved the day although you have to ulitmately give credit to Council Members Delmar, Capoccia and Arizamendi who once again rose to the occasion.

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    3. Au Contraire 7:50, Harabedian and Goss have been following a subversive agenda from the start. This was their big moment to get the single big issue they wanted. They failed but barely.Without Tattler we would have lost.
      In future I shall have only one question for any Council candidate : "What have you done while working with "Preserve Sierra Madre ?" If they haven't been a sincere and conscientious member of Preserve Sierra Madre, I question their intentions for our town.
      What do you think are the chances that Goss or Harabedian join Preserve Sierra Madre after the complete their term on the City Council? Yeah, right -not a chance !

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    4. It's a relief that the players are clear now.
      Watch what they do rather than listen to what they say.

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    5. I think Goss's position is that you should be able to do whatever you want, not so long as you don't impact on other people, but rather, even if you adversely impact on other people. That is pretty dumb. So if your neighbor adds a 2nd story to get a better view and expand their home and it takes away your view and privacy, you should just be ok with it even if it just cost you a few hundred thousand dollars in market value as well as the enjoyment that you used to have.

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  6. I too would like to know who got to Harabedian and Goss. Who are the mystery people who didn't show up at the meetings and yet managed to lean on Goss and Harabedian to do their bidding. For a while, I thought that this City Council should stay intact and continue their good work. Now I have serious reservations about the Mayor and Gene Goss.

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    1. maybe it was the Chinese Realty mafia.

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    2. It must have been the big developers who don't want any inhibitions on their ability to build McMansions. That's the only explanation I can think of for their behavior last night. It was bizarre.

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    3. The Tattler put it perfectly:
      " Apparently they are people who don't go to meetings, won't speak up in public, only talk to two City Councilmembers and don't want anyone to know who they are."

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    4. Who are these people and if they don't attend meetings or send emails, why should they have any influence. Personally, I think that the people who were able to get to Harabedian and Goss were the few groups like developers or contractors who stand to make money off the demise of the Sierra Madre we all know. Those are powerful interests. They were able to influence the Arcadia City Council to go against the Highland's HOA. So its nothing new here. I guess I'm just disappointed that Harabedian and Goss would be a party to it.

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    5. We will know who got to Harabedian and Goss next year when they run for reelection. Just watch to see who gives the big bucks to their campaign.

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  7. I felt like myself and the rest of the town could be sacrificed for a couple of wealthy people who owned big lots. Harabedian and Goss wanted us to not have the protection of our views and privacy just in case one of the 19 big lot owners might want to over build the neighborhood. Variances were mentioned once last evening like they never happened, give us a number, how many variances were granted in the last 10 years? How many of those created unsafe situations.

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  8. Sometimes John Capoccia seems too eager to compromise and gut what one minute ago he was just in favor of. Thankfully, he, Delmar and Arizmendi had the courage to move things foward. Planning Commissioners Mansih Desai and Gina Frierman-Hunt deserve a medal for what they did last night in defending their recommendations. They were about as good as can be. A big thanks to all of you.

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    1. I too am grateful to these two stalwart Commissioners. It is alarming how perilously close we came to loosing the future character of the town.
      These two should be publicly lauded for their support of Sierra Madre.Appalling that Harabedian and Goss tried(and nearly succeeded) in selling us out.

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    2. My take on Capoccia is that he is a truly ethical guy, and he extends that to others, assuming an equal level of honesty and willingness to have positive results for everyone. In short, naive about who Harabedian and Goss are.

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    3. You hit it right on the nose. Capoccia is a very honest man who somehow believes that everyone else is playing with the same set of rules.

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    4. I, for one, certainly don't want to be upset in victory, but the fact that it was somewhat precarious concerns me for the future. Goss and Harabedian seemed to be on board the preservationist bandwagon. It shows that we can't let our guard down for a moment. We now have to assume the worst and be prepared for it. The good news is that some really good things have been put in place and we need to congratulate ourselves for our efforts and those City Council members that voted for it and the Planning Commission who made the recommendations. If you see any one of them on the street, give them a big thank you for helping to save the town.

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    5. I agree too. I doubt if Harabedian and Goss would be willing to extend an olive branch like that and compromise on their position for the sake of consensus. And you saw that last night, they would not compromise. Capoccia is the kind of guy that is very independant and its unthinkable that he could ever be influenced or bribed by anyone to take a position that he doesn't believe in. He's just too principled a guy. With Harabedian and Goss, I don't know any more. I'm very disappointed in how they behaved last night and what they said. It came as a surprise to alot of people.

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    6. Come on 11:59, surprised? You've got to be kidding.

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    7. Surprised only from the standpoint that alot of good things have been accomplished so far and Goss and Harabedian were right there the whole way. They deserve some credit for that. Why they suddenly went sideways on some improvements to the code that really were not all that draconian is a mystery to me.

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    8. 6:13, my guess is that G & H would go along when it was obvious to them that public opinion demanded it. It's hard to say "No" when someone like Maud Ann Taylor gets up and explains that the hillsides are our soul. But this particular thing, these real implementations of the majority of Sierra Madreans' expressed desire for slow-growth policies, were where the rubber hit the road; they showed themselves for who they really are, and who they really want to please. As for surprises, any of us who have been around for a while know all too well what great and lasting damage a pro-development council member can do, and that he or she never, ever says "I am pro-development." They say, "We love this town" and think, 'so we'll sell it.'

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  9. At times, Goss and Harabedian said that the changes would have a negligible effect o McMansions - so why do it at all. Yet, I didn't see them advocating for more significant changes that would have a more meaningful effect in their view. It was crazy. They were grasping at straws and it made them look like they were in the pocket of some vague development interest out there.

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    1. 7:29, great point!

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    2. That's true. On the one hand, they argued that we are trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist, and on the other hand, they seemed to suggest we weren't going far enough to make any difference in stopping McMansion. Because we all know that they would never be in favor of even tighter regulations to stop McMansions, it was just a bogus argument.

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  10. Maybe Glen Lambdin promised them free kickbox lessons if they stopped this. Or Bart said they could use his hot tub anytime they want.

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  11. Someone needs to get Gina Frierman-Hunt to run for City Council. She was remarkable last night. She wasn't willing to just cave in and compromise immediately on such important issues. She stood up to Harabadian and made him look pretty silly.

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    1. Gina is more than ready for an upgrade.

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    2. Gina makes a great Planning Commissioner. I'm not so sure she'd be a good Council person.

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    3. The City Council bar is not set that high.

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    4. I'd vote for Gina, not going to vote for Johnny and Gene if they have the gall to run again.

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    5. Capoccia won my vote back last night. That was the guy I thought I voted for in 2012.

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    6. She spoke to Harabedian with her 9 years of experience on the Planning Commission, 9 years, and he didn't listen.

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    7. Goss and Harbedian are like generals who ignore information from the front lines.
      And yes, unscrupulous developers have made a war analogy appropriate.

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    8. Nobody can say that Capoccia didn't try for a compromise. Goss and Harabedian didn't want a compromise. It was their way or the highway. I'm glad the other Council members forced the vote.

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    9. I thought Desai acquitted himself very well last night. He was in the line of fire the longest and he gave as good as he got but in a very respectful way.

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    10. Great observation 6:16.

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  12. A great victory for preserving Sierra Madre occured last night. All the people who attended the meeting, who spoke up and who went emails are to be congratulated for caring about this town. Not to mention all the effort and time that was spend during the meetings at the Planning Commission.

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  13. John, I positively love the new banner. Yeah Tattler!

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    1. Thanks. That banner has been a struggle for years. I finally have one that I actually like. A longtime Tattler friend made it. A very nice gift.

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    2. That banner rocks.

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    3. Thanks for the expanded coverage. You do a great job of reporting the important facts that are historically not reported by other news outlets or cities themselves. Congratulations on your new column in the Star-News, hopefully they'll leave your writing/reporting alone. The new banner I cool.

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    4. The Tattler is the best thing that ever happened to Sierra Madre. While I'd ideally like to keep the Tattler all for ourselves, its nice to see the Tattler helping out some other communities. I can promise you that the Tattler's spotlight on corruption and hypocracy prevents alot of bad things from happening.

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    5. He's even given San Marino a leg up on the mansionization issue. Here's a clip from Fox news

      http://www.myfoxla.com/clip/11385966/san-marino-mcmansions

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  14. When Goss is telling you he is trying to be fair what he is really saying is I am going to screw the town over.

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    1. I disagree, what he is really saying is "I don't have a clue what is going on"!

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    2. Gene is the kind of guy who makes a lot of enemies trying to be nice.

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    3. Gene Goss is coming up to par with Nancy. Almost makes me wish I had voted for Green. I said almost but one more Council meeting like last night and I will drop the almost.

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    4. Gene had trouble making sense last night and I don't think he was even nice about it. His philosphy seems to be every man for himself. You can do whatever you want even if and except if, it hurts other people. That's a bit of a scary viewpoint to have on the City Council.

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    5. You're right 12:01, it was every man for himself. I think Goss has been angling towards a very peculiar interpretation of the concept of the community's common good as being antithetical to American values, or something. There's a wire crossed somewhere.

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  15. Sent to John Capoccia, Rachael Arizmendi and Denise Delmar:
    We were out of town without access to internet so was unable to send you a letter of encouragement to vote for the well-thoughtout Planning Commission changes to the R-1 building regulations for the City of Sierra Madre. We want to thank you for your vote to support their efforts and that of the Preserve Sierra Madre group. As you know Caroline served on the Canyon Zone Committee a few years ago and they were also able to get the City Council to vote in important protective changes for our canyon community. Now more of Sierra Madre is equally protected.
    Bravo! And thank you again.
    Roger and Caroline Brown
    44 year residents of Sierra Madre

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    1. We have some great people in Sierra Madre, don't we?

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  16. Everyone knows Harabadian is just using his position on the SMCC as a spring board for higher political office. He was put into a position last night where he had to show his true position.

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    1. I think he sees a very big house in his future.

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    2. Harabedian is in the middle of a process that is required of all LA County machine politicians. It is called soul removal.

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    3. Its all going to backfire if he alienates his base - meaning the majority of residents in Sierra Madre. Its actually fairly stupid politically to not support the preservation movement which is made up of liberal and conservatives, democrats and republicans. Only he can answer why he made the conscience decision to carry the water for a very narrow pro-development interest group.

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    4. Perhaps Johnny is planning a second story addition to his new home and doesn't want the neighbors to have any input. He also doesn't want to pay the fee for the CUP.

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    5. He did say a very strange thing - that requiring CUPs for second stories would make neighbors enemies. But why would greater communication make them enemies?

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    6. Harabuchanan is just another blowhard lawyer who overvalues his law degree. If he actually has higher political aspirations he's as delusional as Joe Mosca. He is still the unethical dude who openly wee wee'd on campaign laws when he photo shopped out the SMPD patches and used the SMPD as an implied endorsement for his campaign and then denied any knowledge. Typical lawyer. All mouth and no backbone. Be so glad when he's gone. He'll be just like John Buchanan, allot to say on the Council but nothing to say as a private citizen. No more lawyers on the Council.

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  17. I was struck by how ignorant Goss and Harabedian were about the city's attitude to the General Plan, the survey results, the discussions about over-development. Those council members clearly had not participated in local politics for any appreciable amount of time.

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    1. They are not ignorant, they have an agenda. To move up the political ladder, one must do as directed by those to whom you answer.

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    2. if you close your eyes you'll swear that Buchanan and Mosca are back on the Council except with Harabedian and Goss we have the worse aspects of both Buchanan and Mosca in each of them - both drone on and say completely idiotic statements, so they've got a little Nancy Walsh in them

      just imagine how it would be if we had elected crybaby Noah Green?

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  18. There are plenty of examples of disproportionate development going on around town. Thank goodness the 3 council members understood the need to put these code adjustments in place.

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  19. When you have people with the caliber of intelligence and experience that John Hutt and Gina Freierman-Hunt have, and you want to quibble with their recommendations and make an effort to discount their valuable input, you've got a real problem. Hutt and Hunt have a long history of service and balanced perspectives, neither all slow growth nor all development, and to try to ignore them is to really damage Sierra Madre.

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    1. Hutt is one of the smartest guys on the planet when it comes to this stuff and Gina as well. They views are not extreme in the slightest. They are reasonable and logical in their positions. When Harabedian tries to argue that building a bigger house is more environmentally friendly than a smaller house, he must be smoking some of that weed you may still be able find up in the Canyon.

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    2. Yes, the canyon is an important watershed for native grasses

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    3. Imported as well.

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    4. I solemnly swear that I did not sell pot unabated in said canyon for over 30 years.

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  20. It seems as if Harabedian and Goss were not present when speakers got up and told these Councilmen that they have been approached by developers with huge offers to sell their homes. These homes are on lots big enough to split. Sierra Madre was saved last night by three courageous council members.

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    1. How much in development impact fees would the city make from those lot splits? I think a goodly portion of the problems here have to do with money. We have a city government that cannot live within its budgets, so it is constantly scrounging around for new forms of revenue. I am sure lot splits appeal to Mr. Harabedian and Mr. Goss. They are two of the most tax forward members of the city council. And who can tell? Maybe they know the interested buyers. Maybe those are the unnamed parties they have been speaking with off line.

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  21. There are huge amounts of money to be made mansionizing Sierra Madre. That money talks loud.

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    1. That's what Arcadia has learned. Sure they were able to build a big new performance arts center but at what cost. Most of their town has literally been demolished and re-built. Talk about losing the family home or any memories of what the town used to be like. Its gone for good.

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    2. That's just the way of demographic shift.

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    3. A lot of the money that fueled the mansionization of Arcadia was brought here illegally. That there are those who would play the race card to defend corruption is very discouraging.

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    4. Yes, Harabedian and Goss tried to introduce the race card and they dealt it from the bottom of the deck. People are concerned about McMansions and demolitons and destroying the character of a neighborhood and the adjoining neighbors light, privacy and views I don't care whose doing that, I wil try to stop them.

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  22. A change of subject--- A meeting tonight at 6:00 in the Council Chambers a Public Discussion on Waste-to Energy and Water Distribution Concept. At this Special Meeting, the Commission will consider a proposal from a Commissioner on preliminary concepts of a small-scale Waste-to-Energy site located at the City Yards that could potentially use Sierra Madre residents’ weekly trash to power a portion of the City’s water distribution energy needs.

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    1. It should be called Waste-Of-Money.

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    2. Now we have none of our own water to provide justification for the Water Dept., this sounds like a make-work project for the idled staff ?
      I am very familiar with the energy from waste process from a famous project where I used to live - Goteborg in Sweden.Almost every day in summer we had local govt visitors from all over the world on boondoggle fact-finding missions. Clean energy from waste works but only on a massive scale and if alternative energy costs are high.
      You would need to haul in trash from Pasadena, Asuza ,Arcadia and beyond for it to be economically viable.So lots of smelly heavy truck traffic coming to Sierra Madre. It requires very careful & consistent 'feeding' 24/7 because you really do not want to have a huge stockpile of 'fuel' .The site in Goteborg is an industrial area and the climate is cool so the stink/hygiene issue is not so bad.
      So it is a rather suspect idea..........just sayin'

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    3. I am sure glad you both have a open mind come by and see then judge , this is sierra madre waste only small scale plant many are being built or planned in other areas

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    4. 1:55 you do not know what changes have been made in small scale co-generation . and yes it might not be able to work in Sierra Madre but listen before you condemn or you sound just like the two who voted no last night

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    5. It does not help the cause of Environmentalism to propose unrealistic projects.To be economic,energy from waste projects are necessarily physically large.See Renova Goteborg if you are interested in the facts?I lived near that facility and understand the issues very well.
      The subject of energy from waste is well documented technically but seldom is the effect on neighbors to these projects mentioned.Acres of waste sorting, lots of heavy trucks - not good for a residential district.That is why they are typically located out-of-town and close to freeway access points.Renova in Goteborg is a good case study for both the advantages and disadvantages. We could learn by studying the past experience and help the cause of Environmentalism .Or we could zealously promote impractical proposals and be dismissed as crack pots.It depends if you are a sincere Environmentalist or just using the environment for 'other' reasons. Sadly the sincere Environmentalist has many imposters with misguided motivations.

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    6. Again you did not go to the meeting it has nothing in common with the plant you are talking about

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  23. It might not be right for us but worth a look?

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  24. Two things.

    First, upon reviewing the proposal I too thought requiring a CUP for a two story home was a bit much - even though I live in fear that someone will build a two story home next to ours. So, I don't think it was crazy for either Gene - a good guy - or John H to hesitate at that aspect of the proposal. On the whole, this is a good thing for the city and I respect the way this was conducted. Now we need to rally together, hire big time property litigation counsel, and kick CETT's ass in court.

    Second, the real estate update is that those two giant turds on Camillo have not yet sold and have undergone a price cut. Boo friggin Hoo. I hope the tasteless boobs who pooped these things lose their shirts.

    On the other hand, the lovely craftsman home on Mira Monte seems to have found a buyer. Let's hope the new owners love the home as it deserves to be loved.

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    1. The CUP for the 2-story home was the most important of the recommendations. It doesn't mean you can't do it. It just means that the Planning Commission and the neighbors will have some input to try to make sure its done in a reasonable manner such that one person's gain is not another person's loss. Let me say this. Almost every new home being built is 2-story and I mean almost every one in every city. Maybe making the CUP mandatory for all 2-story homes or additions will encourage people to build 1-story homes again and for those existing homes maybe give them an incentive to go "out" rather than "up" to avoid the CUP. That's a good thing because the biggest problems don't ever come from a 1-story new home or an addition that stays 1-story. Its the 2-story homes that have the bulk and mass and are often incompatible with the neighborhood and often ruin the privacy, light, views and property values of the immediate neighbors.

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    2. Amen, 6:31.
      Thank you.

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    3. 6:31 You explained it perfectly. Thank you.

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  25. I decided to check out the Camillo houses on Realtor.com. The interiors are just as bad as the exterior. They look like Miami in one of those drug movies. All that's missing is Tony Montana face first in a pile of cocaine.

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  26. I have it on good authority that the Planning Commission was bulldozed into a huge animals vote on the one Carter project. reason being that way the city would not get sued. well we got sued anyway with the only winner being the law firm of our city attorney. Thanks for the great advice Teresa.

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  27. Harbedian and Goss are back to being the self serving pompous arrogant ignorant morons that they've always been

    I'll never vote for another lawyer to be on the Council

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  28. I would vote for one who was a bona fide member of Preserve Sierra madre.

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  29. "use Sierra Madre residents’ weekly trash to power a portion of the City’s water distribution energy needs. "
    So incinerate our trash to generate electricity. Not a new concept.Well documented. Got any economic viability study to justify that? No, I didn't think so.
    This is the over enthusiastic nonsense that gets sincere environmentalists the crackpot reputation that prevents us achieving real progress with environmental protection and remediation. Do what Renova did, implement all they have learned and shared -I'm all for it. Small scale in a residential area is doomed economically and by NIMBY. Large scale and the right location & economics - brilliant.

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    1. 12 :27 did you go to the meeting , if not you cant speak about it

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  30. Demonizing all Lawyers is as silly and even repugnant as most scapegoating and bigotry. Go after what they do and we'll improve things. Go after a profession and we are back to witch-hunting. Lincoln was a lawyer.

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    1. lol must be a lawyer

      the point makes sense, we've had a turnstile of lawyers who run for Council on the basis that he or she is a lawyer therefore smarter than you or I - utility company lawyers - crybaby lawyers (Noah Green) and shady ethics lawyers like Harabedian

      the last real attorney we had on the Council was Kurt Zimmerman, other than him can't think of one that had any real substance

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  31. A snake and a lawyer both got hit by a car. What's the difference between em?

    The snake had skid marks in front of him.

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    1. and the lawyer got backed over twice just to make sure

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