Monday, April 13, 2015

Occidental College Professor Peter Dreier, Noted $15 An Hour Minimum Wage Advocate, Outs Himself For Paying His Student Researchers $10 An Hour

Dreier gives the odds of him making any sense.
I have to confess something that is a little bit uncomfortable. The Tattler has a stalker, and yesterday on the Pasadena News website it seems that this individual had it in for me over an opinion piece I'd contributed there. Posting under the name of "Sam Dimas," this lost soul had all sorts of unpleasant things to say about my earnest efforts. Which is actually a great thing. Nothing drives web traffic like a good brouhaha. That is why the Star News brought me on. Controversy moves the needle.

It is my semi-educated guess that this "Sam Dimas" fellow was none other than Occidental College's very own Professor Peter Dreier. Politically quite the left wing fellow, and an old school Socialist by personal persuasion, Peter often insinuates himself into our local elections. Especially those involving the Pasadena Unified School District. This despite the fact that he has never once cast a vote in Sierra Madre.

Obviously Dreier never once met a tax he didn't want us to pay, or a Tattler post that didn't ruin his lunch.

All of which happily reminded me of a recent conversation about the $15 an hour minimum wage that took place on a Facebook page called Pasadena Politics. Fortunately I saved some screen shots of this mirth-filled chitchat, and thought this would be as good a time as any to revisit that conversation here. Just for the fun of it.

This was a bit of audacious hypocrisy on Professor Dreier's part, but certainly not atypical for the fellow. Below is how the conversation began. Note Peter's strong advocacy for the $15 an hour minimum wage.


At this moment I jumped in and asked if the Occidental College student researchers he employs to do some of the heavy lifting for his many tedious books are being paid properly for their blood sweat and tears. The rather haughty Professor Dreier took umbrage at the suggestion that he is exploiting oppressed college students, and left us with the following commentary.


It took former Sierra Madre City Councilmember Chris Koerber just a minute to tease out the necessary math.


For context, here is a Huffington Post article (link) where Peter Dreier advocates willy-nilly for the $15 minimum wage. Something he personally chooses not to pay.


The conclusion I will draw here is for Professor Dreier that $15 an hour minimum wage is a responsibility for capitalists, while those engaged in liberating the oppressed classes (even at extravagantly priced Occidental College) should only have to pay the proletariat two-thirds of that amount.

Of course, it might also be some plain old hypocrisy. There is that.

Sierra Madre City Council Meeting Tomorrow!

I will have a preview up on this site at 5AM tomorrow morning. There are two very big items on the docket. Here is one of them:


More tomorrow morning.

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70 comments:

  1. A good morning to everyone, now be off with you to work and pay your taxes.

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  2. Who pays more? Peter Dreier or Ronald McDonald?

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  3. Uber drivers make $16 an hour. Most Occidental students would do better borrowing dad's Lexus and driving people to the airport.

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    1. $16 an hour before taxes and paying 15.3% Social Security & Medicare is pretty bad. Uber drivers are 1099 independent contractors, too. Plus don't tell your insurance comapny you're driving for business, your personal policy will be cancelled. Gotta get a commercial auto policy. Big bucks.

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  4. Now Mr. Mod, don't be so hard on Herr Dreier. After all, he is paid to save us plebeians with his Socialist ideals, not be an "arithmatician".

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    1. Hair Dreier is definitely a source for hot air.

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    2. Ba$ed on hi$ math, Herr Dreier i$ not very "green".

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    3. Occidental is very green. Look at those tuitions!

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    4. That's Oxy's definition of "sustainable".

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  5. So at Dreier's college you pay $60,000 a year to make back $4,000? Sounds like the lottery.

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  6. Tomorrow's City Council Meeting is very important. Please email the City Council and support the recommendations made by the Planning Commission to improve the R-1 zoning standards.

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    1. I'll second 7:11 - IF you don't want those Camillo atrocities (which are still for sale despite weekly open houses) to happen on your street, please email the City Council - or show up. If you haven't been to a City Council meeting, it's better entertainment than TV. Starts at 6:30/

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  7. After graduating culinary school I had to do an internship at a restaurant for 6 months. I received no pay $10 an hour would have been nice. It's very common actually the norm.
    I'll bet Monica Lewinski also worked for President Clinton for free as an intern.

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    1. Yes, but chances are good you weren't working for The Huffington Post's outspoken champion of the $15 an hour minimum wage.

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  8. If it's $4000 plus free or subsidized room and board, wouldn't the room and board be counted as part of the wages? In California, safe housing as part of a minimum wage job is unheard of.

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    1. There are two options. The second one does not come with housing. The first one, which does come with housing, but it is supplied by a nonprofit. Dreier's organization only supplies wages that he himself has declared unacceptable.

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    2. So Dr. Deier can't do basic math? So what.

      Socialists and Communists actively ignore math. They know that Communism has failed everywhere its been tried. Socialism lasts as long as they can take others' money. After that it's Detroit and Stcokton and San Bernardino.

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    3. Socialism works very well for big American businesses, many of which are subsidized by tax dollars, including infrastructure paid by tax dollars, thus externalizing those and other costs (such as pollution), and (here's the magic part) privatizing the profits.

      See, socialism works--we just call it capitalism.

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    4. 9:49, that is crony capitalism. Bush ramped it up but Obama upped the ante. That's why the rich get a $7,000 tax rebate paid by you when they buy a $100,000 Tesla. It's not capitalism. Solar City & Tesla would be "doing the Detroit" if not for taxpayer-paid subsidies.

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    5. Capitalism--and the "discipline of the market" mantra--is only for the little guy. You know, those who aren't too big to fail.

      Need a loan for that small business? Pay a private bank 10% or more for money the bank just borrowed from the Fed at 0.75%.

      Are you a parent who needs a loan to pay junior's college tuition? Well you're in luck. You can get it by paying a private bank 10 TIMES the interest rate it pays the Fed for that money. Even crooked-nosed guys from Staten Island would blush with shame over that one.

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    6. 10:12, do you need a Kleenex? You sound like you're going to cry.

      Life is hard.

      PS: If you're so smart, you can lend out all the money you have to crummy credit risks. Oh wait, you don't have a bunch of money?

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    7. Sounds like 9:49 believed Obama when he told the masses that big business didn't build their business, the government did. The old Socialist dogma.

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    8. So 11:15 and 1:29 must like giving our tax dollars to Koch's and Pepsi's of the world. Maybe they don't pay much in taxes so it doesn't matter to them.

      i happen to pay more in taxes than most people earn. I don't mind it, but I would like to see my tax dollars go toward helping those who need help the most, not to billionaires who want a new tax payer subsidized stadium or mega-millionaire farmers who demand subsidies to grow tobacco.

      1:29 If you really think government, i.e. our tax dollars, did not help big businesses to get where they are today, I'm sure you'll be happy to go way out into the desert, away from all roads, power lines, water lines, etc. and show us how it's done without taking any government help. You'll win a the Nobel Prize for Economics.

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    9. "but I would like to see my tax dollars go toward helping those who need help the most"...

      2:56 if you're making that kind of money, then you may have heard of "charitable giving". That's where you spend your OWN MONEY on causes that are important to you. You get a tax deduction, too!

      I love it when people who say "you didn't build that" like to take my money (at the point of the IRS gun) and give it to their causes.

      H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-S-Y.

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    10. 2:56 conveniently forgets all the $$$$$$$ that business owners and corp. pay in taxes. Dumb ass.

      Why don't you raise the corporate tax rate up to 100%. That should work, huh. Especially since corp. taxes are paid by the prices of goods that we all buy. Inconvenient truths, but still truths.

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    11. 3:24 Give us the figures: (1) How much of our tax money do the receive directly and indirectly through infrastructure? (2) How much do they pay? If its a wash, they're really not paying anything.

      Whereas you'd rather give our tax dollars in the form of subsidies, lavish tax breaks for lavish salaries, and still pay for corporations' externalized costs, I'd rather give the money to the people who need it. They're going to spend that money, so your beloved corporate fat cats are going to get it anyway. That ought to put a smile on your face.

      Really strange world we live in where people don't want to pay taxes but if they have to they want those tax dollars to be given to the wealthiest. Cheerleaders for billionaires.

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    12. And how about a !00% inheritance tax, say after giving up to $1 million per child tax free? Then we'd see a more even playing field, more of a meritocracy, rather than lip service we hear so often about being self-made, say like Trump falsely birthed about himself.

      Think of it as Headstart for the children of the idle rich.

      Besides, if junior can't make something of himself with a million dollar head start, why in the world would you want him to have more?

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    13. I'd rather cut taxes. It's not the government's money, it's mine.

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    14. Sorry, but when talking about inheritance taxes, it's no longer yours.

      Unless, of course, you have a method of taking it with you, in which case you might want to let 1:29 know how. He's building a big business in the desert with no government/tax payer help whatsoever.

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    15. Good for 1:29. We need more like him.

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    16. 6:13, just handle inheritance taxes like Warren Buffet (you know, the guy who says we need an estate tax):
      Put practically everything in a foundation. That way, they'll be practically ZERO estate taxes when you die.

      Bill Gates & Warren Buffet, 2 of the top 3 richest people in the USA did that. Estate taxes get paid by business owners who are worth a measly 7 million (mostly due to business value or land value of a farm) when they die. Their families get screwed!

      Yes, Buffet is a hypocrite of the first order.

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    1. It is hilarious. That's the best part with folks like Petey Dreier, you don't have to make anything up.

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    2. Could it be that the purpose of Peter Dreier's life is to serve as a warning to others?

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    3. After 4 years and $240,000 spent studying at the feet of Professor Dreier, where does the young graduate then go to seek work? Cuba?

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    4. C'mon people! Won't you let a flower grow?

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    5. Pop! Goes the Petey.

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    6. 9:23, more like hothouse orchid. Don't "offend" them.

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    7. The New York Times had an article a few weeks ago about "safe rooms" on some college campus. It is where students can go if they fear conversations taking place on campus might trigger bad feelings and memories. A typical safe room has stuffed animals and videos of animals and waterfalls. Plus a professional advisor who enforces a a no bad topics rule.

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    8. Wow, that'll prepare them for real life in their parents' basement.

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    9. There's always disability and SSI.

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  10. Any parent who is paying $60K a year so their kid can learn Marxism from a buffoon like Dreier needs to have their head throughly examined.

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    1. Same thing at the Ivies.

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    2. I all the time emailed this weblog post page to all my associates, because if like to read it after that my friends will too.

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  11. Off topic, but wudda hell.
    Nation's largest ocean desalination plant goes up near San Diego; Future of the California coast?
    http://www.mercurynews.com/science/ci_25859513/nations-largest-ocean-desalination-plant-goes-up-near
    50 million gallons a day.

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    1. Gonna be one hell of a power bill to run that. You can't put up enough solar panels to come close to paying for that.

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    2. Get used to the new cost of water.

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    3. Maybe they can start burning coal for power.

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  12. On his Facebook page today Peter Dreier continues his fight for the $15 wage.
    "The Fight for $15's organizers say the limited raises that McDonald's announced on April 1 have in ways backfired, infuriating workers at its 12,500 franchisee-owned restaurants -- they were excluded from the raises -- and inadvertently helping to swell the day of protests planned for April 15. See Steven Greenhouse's story in The Guardian."
    He's a hero, people. No, really!

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    1. If you believe that, then I have a bridge to sell ya.

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    2. Big Mac with crack.

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    3. From yesterday's PSN:

      John Crawford runs the famous Sierra Madre Tattler blog.

      What a lovely, lovely intro to PSN's newest columnist.

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    4. The Tattler attracts a lot of interesting people.

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  13. I don't know what the Professor is a professor of, but its clearly not economics.

    This is very simple stuff that any thinking person can grasp in 15 minutes of critical thinking.

    The minimum wage law does not force anyone to hire an employee. All it does it outlaw the ability to hire employees below a certain level. That's it.

    Proponents of the min wage law falsely believe that employers set wages and, therefore, the government can force them to pay higher wages.

    Employers DO NOT SET wages; the productivity of the employee (labor) is what determines wages. Here is an easy way to verify that. 98% of the US work force makes more than the minimum wage. If the theory that employers control wages and are too greedy so we need the government to force them to pay more - by raising the min wage - why are 98% of all US employers paying wages above the min wage?

    His comments on consumer demand driving economy are exactly backwards. Quick everyone, let's get together and wish for flying jet packs really hard - stop working and saving, just start expressing strong demands for flying jetpacks and woosh! watch the economy soar!

    Obviously that's insane. It is increases in productivity - largely driven by capital to provide for more education, R&D, etc. - that creates wealth. That wealth is then directed towards what consumers demand, but it is not the demand itself that is what "drives the economy."

    If the Professor's argument was correct - wealth could be created by printing 2x the money supply and handing it out to everyone in the US. Of course, when we go to spend all this extra money, we encounter the same level of actual goods - ie real wealth - that leaves us in the exact place we were before this infusion of spending. The idea that higher levels of spending improves the economy is the economics equivalent of voodoo.

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  14. this is exactly why stores and shops in Seattle are closing their doors and quitting business. with the mandated minimum "living wage" that passed up there, stores cannot afford to stay open because they can't compete on price. the insanity of this all is that when everyone gets a higher minimum wage that increases the overhead for the company and so they must raise their prices. Two things happen then: the increase in wages evaporates because they too must pay the higher prices for things and you, the consumer, pay higher prices for your hamburger and latte too. So, living wages forced by the government end up doing more harm than good by resulting in higher unemployment and higher prices for goods and services.

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    1. I think Professor Dreier must agree with you. He only pays $10 an hour.

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    2. I find it very amusing when Socialists behave like free market capitalists all the while insisting that the rest of us are being greedy and unfair.

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    3. That is what is so hilarious about Dreier. He makes paying $10 an hour sound like the utmost in generosity when he does it, but horrible and exploitative when done by others.

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  15. if $15.00 per hour minimum wage is good why not make it $50.00 per hour? that would be even better!

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    1. Everyone should be allowed to print as much money as they need. Government already does.

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    2. It should be $50 an hr. minimum. That way, everyone can make $100,000 a year! Yeah, that's the ticket.

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    3. If profits at the top are increasing, which they are, then a choice is made as to whether they increase wages on the bottom, or increase shareholder profits or pay more to the upper-level workers. Increasing minimum wage forces pay gains to go towards the grunts instead of to the top in this situation. At $50 you have a completely different equation where you go into negative profitability.

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    4. 6:26 you just defeated your argument. How the hell do you know that $15/hr is ok but $50 isn't? You're just making it up as you go along. No surprise. Socialists always have to ignore math.

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  16. A lot of good 15.00 per is gonna do if the store closes. So do they just move on to the next closed store. I went Jack in the Box today and it cost me 21.00. I already don't go to a lot of other places like Chipotle. If I'm gonna spend that kind of money then I'll add some to it and go to a decent restaurant.

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    1. You should spend more money at Chipotle. Herr Dreier says the workers at Chipotle deserve to make more of your money.

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    2. If you don't go to Chipotle, you're being selfish.

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    3. 4:45 If you are spending $21 you must be feeding more than yourself

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  17. Dreier's slave wage college researchers should go on strike.

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  18. Isn't Occidental the school where all those rapes occurred? What a screwed up place that must be.

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