Friday, May 29, 2015

Arcadia Preservationists Taking Their Case To The Voters

Today we have some pretty good news via the latest edition of the Save Arcadia newsletter.


This, in addition to the Brown Act lawsuit also initiated by the Save the Arcadia Highlands folks (link), shows that maybe Arcadia's demise has been a bit overstated.

It is all something that Sierra Madre needs to keep an eye on. Hopefully we would never have to go that route, but with only about 250 signatures needed here to get something like that on the ballot, it can be fairly easily done.

I know some people who would help.

More on the Very Loud Horn (VLH)

The other day somebody left the following comment here in The Tattler, along with an invitation to follow up:


Karol Ballard, who runs the Invasion of the Shoddy Blaster site, decided to check out that insurance angle (I was going to say claim) with City Hall. Here is how this quick two part e-mail exchange went:



The plot thickens.

Here are a couple of observations that have been sent my way. Doesn't "testing" this horn daily take away some of its emergency alert impact? If the community is hearing it that much, what would make any additional blast stand out from all of the others? I think most people would assume it is only another test, just like the other 365 a year.

It cries "wolf!" a little too often.

Also, a horn that requires daily testing because of its storied antiquity might not be the best way to let folks know that they are all doomed and need to make some quick peace with their Creator. It certainly raises serious dependability questions. Why does it require daily testing? A modern alarm would at best only need to be tested once a week, thereby retaining its true emergency impact.

Modern siren technology would include both a battery option and solar power capacity. Things that would make it far more efficient in any power outage. The horn from days gone by requires a generator to work in an emergency. If all civilization is crumbling about our ears, who is going to get into their car to drive downtown to crank it up? And what if that key person was hit on the head by a falling two by four?

Also, is that generator tested daily, too? What if it doesn't work?

If the safety of this community really is the concern here, a siren that uses modern technology would be a much wiser move.

More news on this controversy as it comes our way.

sierramadretattler.blogspot.com

98 comments:

  1. Okay, the horn again. When it was restarted, I couldn't hear it from my house. I don't live that far from the downtown area. My thought was, " Gee, another city folly." Then there came a time that I could hear it. I imagine they turned up the volume. I figured this was good. It works. I have become used to that 5:00 P blast. Granted, I do not live next to it. Maybe something like ear phones or ear plugs would help those that are annoyed by the blast. It seems there is much more to be concerned about in this day and age. Should all our problems be so small.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. One of the ways I decide whether or not to get into a story is how much traffic it attracts. The horn story is drawing about double the interest the as the budget. To me that indicates people are concerned, and want to see more.

      Delete
  2. I live in the canyon and I can hear the horn. Yesterday for the first time I was having coffee across from the horn as it sounded at 5 p.m and it was loud but over in a spit second.

    No, the warning of a diaster is not a single blast (which you surmise would be ignored because of fatigue of the daily test) but blasts three. It may be that your readership does not know that in an emergency a series of three of anything is a signal of distress or emergency, so you do not need to know Morse Code. Then you turn to your radio dial 1630 a.m.

    Elaine's response "...currenty there is no insurance requirement..." is vague and this blog has not always taken everything Elaine said as the final word. That insurance statement from George Maurer might be inaccurate as well or a theoretical reference that testing it daily insures that it is in working order without letting it go too long without awareness that repairs were needed.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. I don't have a radio. Particularly not one with a dial.

      Delete
    2. Can you get it on Spotify?

      Delete
    3. Talk about poorly prepared for an emergency! You must have a portable am radio in case of fire, flood, earthquake some food, water and a gun would also be useful.

      Delete
    4. Absolutely agree about the radio - most essential item of all, next to water. You'd be surprised how fast places like Starbucks spring back open. After all, quite a few bucks to be made in those circumstances. And when we were in Florida after a hurricane, without power for weeks, I found a battery run lantern to be a real help.

      Delete
    5. Make friends with your neighbor now. Hope that they have enough supplies for themselves with some to share with you. If you don't have an am/fm radio in your car (go check) you can listen to their radio, too. Do you recall that during Hurrcane Sandy many people went to their cars for warmt? Some parts of the country spend summer days in their car for the air conditioning that their older homes don't have. My goodness child, you don't have the common sense of a " " (fill in your regional distainful term here).

      Delete
    6. A gun? A gun??? So you can accidentally shoot your kid or spouse when you're totally stressed out during a disaster....or maybe a developer.

      Delete
    7. Over 80% of the households in Sierra Madre own a gun. Some of us actually know how to use them. The gun is to shoot your kid when he tries to steal my provisions. Yuppies ugh!

      Delete
  3. I don't get the George Maurer obsession. The guy was a big voice in the fight to gut downtown and replace it with high density overdevelopment. He also supported Mosca, Buchanan, Walsh, Moran and the rest of that ilk. Nice old guy I guess, but we would have been better off if he lived somewhere else.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. But you have to include that he was the only council member who voted against the development at One Carter.

      Delete
    2. He was the only one.

      Delete
    3. George Maurer has led a charmed life. He is my mentor and idle.

      Delete
  4. The 5 PM horn signals the start of cocktail hour,the 6 PM bells at the Monastery signal the end of cocktail hour. All things proper and in their proper place. When I hear these sounds I know that all is well with the village. Very reassuring......

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Don't drive.

      Delete
    2. wise words

      Delete
    3. Maybe the horn means get your children off the streets. It's happy hour.

      Delete
    4. There is a difference between cocktail hour and happy hour. Happy hour you go to the Buc and binge drink. Cocktail hour you get home from work take your shoes off and relax at home with an attitude adjustment of some type.

      Delete
  5. I guess you've never heard of Johnny Osti or Sam Simpson or officer Lindekens? We need our town characters it's part of living here just like the horn.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. No, I haven't. And I'll pass on knowing.

      Delete
    2. 7:12 You are after my heart, but I have never seen Johnny Osti's name mentioned without his partner Ann Avon.

      Delete
    3. Sorry I couldn't remember her name. I was young and always knew her lovingly as the nice old blind lady. Not politically correct but I was quite young.

      Delete
    4. 7:34 if you plan on living here you should know our history,our future is framed on our past.

      Delete
    5. I imagine that one day the things that you think were important to your youth, middle days or fondness for living in Sierra Madre "back then" will illicite the same response from some as: "pass." I wonder why you are here except that you found some attraction to the place. I could be entirely wrong on that, you may not see Sierra Madre as any thing except geographically convenient to your selfish needs.

      Delete
    6. You go girl!! Thanks

      Delete
    7. Free will, ladies and gentlemen. No need to impose "extra' history not relevant to the subject at hand. That you should save for a 5 min. walk down memory lane at the next City Council meeting. Then you can be on TV and the Council will pretend to listen.

      Delete
    8. You have no function in this town you are not needed you are a minor annoyance. Move along back from whence you came.

      Delete
    9. 11:58 must be an AM Radio personality.

      Delete
  6. 7:02 You would not have said such if you had needed the ambulance at your door step those many years that George was a volunteer fireman. I would not let myself confuse the issues of who was supported in the various city council candidates of the past or the downtown development. As it now stands one of the former mayors (not George) was photographed on the sidewalk in support of the No on 2-20-13 and he is now one of the staunch supporters of the Preserve Sierra Madre group, former neighbor to John Crawford, and the grand marshal, along with his wife, in the 4th of July Parade.

    (And to sideline the 'anti-Fourth of July parade rant' because of its association with Joe Mosca and his partner, Matt Bosse, who headed it when they by-passed the very deserving John Shear: that was very wrong and new people in charge so let's carry on from here.)

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Clem Bartoli is helping lead the fight to preserve Sierra Madre. George Maurer blessed with a very loud horn that might not work when needed and "Blow Me Daily" fund raiser t-shirts. The comparison isn't working for you.

      Delete
    2. Mr. Bartoli is a staunch supporter of the horn btw.

      Delete
    3. I wish i was The Horn.

      Delete
    4. and Clem has the highest respect for George.

      Delete
    5. A lot of horn suporters do.

      Delete
  7. You state "If the safety of this community really is the concern here, a siren that uses modern technology would be a much wiser move." So maybe we should spend some money on a high tech. horn and dismantle out Paramedic service that saves many lives yearly?

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. What's your point?

      Delete
    2. I wasn't speaking to you. Move along......

      Delete
    3. Our Paramedic service saves 'many lives yearly'? Possibly, but what is your source?

      Delete
    4. The Paramedics cost around $700,000 a year. An upgrade on the siren around $1,000. I know, math hurts.

      Delete
    5. Yes math does hurt, this is why a common sense UUT will pass. The silent majority will speak. The seniors that depend on the paramedics,the parents that depend on the paramedics,those that take advantage of our great library,those of us who feel safe in our homes because of our SMPD will get out and make their voices heard. You seem to be comparing the cost of a human life to a horn.

      Delete
    6. A common sense UUT? Perhaps from the point of view of those who will receive pensions, until the host they are feasting on goes bankrupt.
      Don't you dare drag out that old calumny about pay more or die. Jerk.


      Delete
    7. 8:57 - Funny. The cop union seems to be distracted by a blog. So tell me, 8:57, why does every department but the SMPD have to make sacrifices? You guys special or something?

      Delete
    8. 8:57, the Seniors and others who are exempt who don't have to pay ONE CENT of UUT will vote to tax others. As long as they don't have to pay for it.

      In my opinion if EVERYONE had to pay the UUT it would be defeated But it's easy to tax someone else, isn't it.

      "Don't tax you, don't tax me, tax that fellow behind the tree!"
      ~ Russell B. Long

      Delete
    9. Wait a minute, I'm 65 - does that mean I'm exempt, and nobody told me?

      Delete
    10. I has nothing to do with age it's a low income exemption.

      Delete
    11. 10:03 I know you are but what am I?

      Delete
    12. Chief Heasley and officer ALMay 29, 2015 at 11:52 AM

      10:15 Hey sergeant AL and I are Having a beer up at bailey canyon. Come on up and hoist a few we'll talk it over.

      Delete
  8. A Chicken in every pot,a car in every garage,and the horn daily @ 5pm. Life is good.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. It could be better.

      Delete
    2. The Horn blows. Big time.

      Delete
    3. 10:03 Be careful don't cut off your nose to spite your face. I'm talking public good,you're talking Union hate.
      I feel sorry for you if you've made poor career choices.

      Delete
  9. I hear the horn when I am on Baldwin/Kersting and yet, if it were to be blown for our "safety" I would not hear it past Lima where I live. BTW how many numbers of a blown horn would indicate an emergency? Has City Hall ever sent out the importance of this and how we are to respond to the horn. Gee, its being tested., so...

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Threes. The horn goes off and then you tune into 1630 on the a.m. dial on your emergency radio. You are right, the city/safety departments (police/fire) need to continue to educate the public on this.

      The last local, very modest earthquake (4.somethng) in Hacienda Heights (at the 4th T at the Country Club Golf Course) a few years ago showed how ignorant people were in the use of their cell phones, calling all their friends/family: "did you feel the earthquake?" Within a few minutes the cell towers were overloaded and crashed.

      Delete
    2. I agree the horn should be at full volume not this flailing noise.Back in the day that thing was much louder you couldn't miss it. Of course the Soviets could have attacked us at any minute so we were more aware of Civil Defence.

      Delete
    3. I was at Sierra Madre Elementary School the day President Kennedy was shot and the day the Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was shot. The horn sounded on each occasion and my Mother was crying when I got home. That's all I remember about it.

      Delete
  10. Yes, no place has the characters of Sierra Madre.Love em....

    But, our ears, please. Noise levels affect our health.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. It lasts a couple of seconds...you really cannot get used to it?

      Delete
    2. A lot of people move here for the peace and quiet.

      Delete
    3. And the security of being in a community that values neighborhood watches and public safety.

      Delete
  11. Wouldn't the generator be tested everyday as working if the horn is sounding?

    Would a modern siren be less ear piercing except that it might not need to be tested.

    I think the throwback horn is dependable because it is so basic.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Then why does it need to be tested everyday?

      Delete
  12. George will be having coffee at Bean Town this morning at 9. Come buy and discuss the horn with him and speak loud please as he is 92 with 2 hearing aids that some times loose power. George loves this community and and drove the ambulance for 17 years, he has saved lives and cared for SM in ways few know about.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. oh that's why it doesn't bother him, he can't hear the obnoxious and unnecessary relic

      while we agree he's a great man back when this horn was being brought back it was all about bringing back a nostalgic feeling cause it has no use - it only needs to be tested once every few months

      Delete
  13. "George Maurer" might be shorthand for all the citizen effort that went into the revitalizing of the horn. Can't be sure if the anti-horn folk/facebookers were around then, or through our various fire storms/mud flows/earthquakes/wind storms but there is a training session for people interested in public safety coming up in August. CERT Community Emergency Response Team. Information is available on their facebook page.

    Lucy Jones, CalTech, USGS seismologist is featured in a review of the movie San Andreas. One of her posting along with explanation of the misinformation in the movie's depiction of the earthquake, is that the movie may stimulate people's interest in getting involved with CERT.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. All this helps support the claim that this town needs a new modern siren rather than an ancient old horn that has to be tested everyday.

      Delete
    2. We don't need a new modern siren.God bless the horn

      Delete
    3. A new modern siren is not in the city budget. Remember there is a $700,000 deficit next year. I am sure Elaine would get a new siren if we all voted to raise the UUTax next April.

      Delete
    4. The horn is a quaint and colorful antique. If safety was the real priority a new siren would be in order.

      Delete
    5. 8:22 How do you arrive at that conclusion? Leaps of logic disconnect?

      Delete
    6. An old air raid horn that needs to be tested everyday is not the best equipment available. I guess it depends on how seriously you take public safety.

      Delete
  14. Now on to the point of the efforts of Arcadians to save their community. You can see from the discussion on the horn that Sierra Madre has a large contingent of community activists who have worked hard for decades to keep Sierra Madre the way it is. The important thing to remember is that people today, who are the age now that those activitist were then, need to get involved. Lots of good things were done for your town and now you get to keep it up.

    ReplyDelete
  15. Preservationists in Sierra Madre applaud and support the NO 710 Tunnel as has the Tattler. See today's LA Times California section for the latest effort.

    ReplyDelete
  16. Also, see pg 2 California section for San Andreas movie: quake flick has plenty to fault.

    ReplyDelete
  17. I think we need to do something to support Arcadia in their efforts. We are all after the same things. So, Preserve Sierra Madre people, can we donate to them, can we give verbal support in the form of letters, etc. even if we don't belong to that city? I say we check it out. If they fail, we might, too.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Good idea, 9:06.

      Delete
    2. I would donate to them. They must need help with legal fees. If the Highland people can stop mcmansions we benefit.

      Delete
    3. Mr. Mod, can you let us know who is leading the fight the save the Highlands in Arcadia. I would like to help them. If they are successful Sierra Madre benefits by keeping Mcmansions off our border.

      Delete
  18. Did someone mention the horn?

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. We all have car horns. We should all go outside and blow our horns @5pm to signify unity with the City. That way everyone even in the far corners of town and up in the canyon will make sure to know all's ok. Unless it comes in three's, then god help us.

      Delete
    2. If a lot of people are sitting in their cars honking their horns at 5PM then things are definitely not OK.

      Delete
  19. From the Sierra Madre Weekly - 9/7/2010 http://www.sierramadreweekly.com/featured/sierra-madre-radio-station-now-up-and-running/

    Famous Horn will soon Sound Again- This is a Test
    By Terry Miller

    Mayor Joe Mosca will cut a ceremonial ribbon along with Hank Landsberg on Thursday at the site of the new community radio station project. Landsberg is the winner of this year’s Public Safety Award for spearheading the project.
    Landsberg prefers name ‘Community Radio’ over “Emergency Radio” – the moniker Sierra Madre city seems to want to use. Landsburg gave the Weekly a preview of the facilities on Tuesday and explained why he wants the station to be known not just as an emergency station. “We want to be available for all community events such as the Wistaria Festival, Mount Wilson Trail Race etc., and of course this weekend’s activities with the Taste of Sierra Madre and the Emergency Preparedness event at Memorial Park.” the veteran ham radio operator said.

    The Sierra Madre Fire and Public Works departments will be conducting intermittent testing of the horn during the next few weeks. Beginning in November, the horn, which was the source of some controversy a few years ago when there was talk of silencing the loud but helpful tool, will be blasting off once again. The ever popular Billy Sullivan of Sierra Madre’s Bottle Shop ( Sierra Madre City College) printed up some wonderful T shirts which hailed the merits of the horn. The T Shirts read…”Save The Horn….Blow me Daily”… and were proudly worn by many in the community.

    ReplyDelete
  20. A good emergency alarm is one that can reach the most people with a sound that they should be able to hear, thus the beauty of Sierra Madres special air horn. The beauty in this horn,,,,,,,, it does not need electricity to work and can be heard by a majority of the residents. REMEMBER.... the purpose is to get people to tune into 1630 on the a.m. dial to get emergency reports form City Hall.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. From City Hall? Really?

      Delete
    2. It's a government horn. It runs on hot air.

      Delete
  21. Well, in reality, the horn could be sounded manually from below the horn. The message from city hall may or may not come directly from city hall, it is confusing some times. :)

    ReplyDelete
  22. It's a wonder city hall isn't calling $ an emergency and use the emergency radio station to call in all the residents for the budget input meetings. Wish it was dealing with the facts and not the hype.

    ReplyDelete
  23. This is where you pay the attorneys for verifying as to where directly means, from council can be delivered / transmitted directly from city hall or from where the equipment is operating from. Is it like the horn or ?

    ReplyDelete
  24. This is your city government. Please tell us your name, drivers license number and up to three major credit card numbers. Then wait for further instructions.

    ReplyDelete
  25. 2:51,, smile, I did that, I'm still waiting

    ReplyDelete
  26. Baby Boomers rule Sierra Madre and the state of California. Now go pay your royalties (taxes) and wait for further instructions.

    ReplyDelete
  27. I wanted to know if the horn was in fact not reaching the west side of town (someone posted they could not hear it where they lived on Lima). I hear it in the canyon and have been in Bean Town once when it sounded. I decided to time my hike out of Bailey Canyon today at 5 p.m. and heard it loud and clear from my car in the parking lot.

    Why would this be such an issue for a new resident to Sierra Madre who has next to no long-term appreciation as to why and how this horn functions for emergency alerts. The unique horn sound would never be mistaken for a modern emergency vehidle siren that could easily be ignored. Randolph College in Lynchberg, Virginia sounds their alarm for a solid 3 minutes in and emergency while Long Island University starts with a series of tones, followed by loud speaker instructions, In Sierra Madre you get your instructions on the a.m. 1630 radio station.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Actually, you will be getting your instructions from city hall. The radio station is just the middle man. Personally, I would probably not take any of their suggestions without first giving them a lot of careful thought. Nor would my first reaction be to turn on an AM radio. As far as the daily horn goes, it is a vanity project for a small group of people who probably didn't spend much time talking to people with small children, pets or night workers in their homes before going forward with this project. I am sure their intentions were the best, it is just they did not reach out beyond those that they know personally.

      Delete
    2. What is the real issue here..? sounds like a DISTRACTION SCAM......to get real important issues disrupted. This is just to stupid to be stupid.......what and who is actually behind this?

      Not buying it.

      Delete
    3. You meant to say "too stupid," 6:56. Allow me to reassure you, grammar is not a distraction scam.

      Delete