Thursday, October 29, 2015

Halloween On E. Alegria: Does The City Have This Or Not?

Scary!
As you may recall, earlier this month we busted City Hall over what appeared to be its abandonment of the East Alegria Halloween festivities, an event that attracts an estimated 10,000 people to Sierra Madre every year. We posted two articles. The first, titled "Will Halloween On Alegria Be Especially Scary This Year?," ran on Oct. 16 and can be linked to here. The second, "Tax Politics: The City Manager Changes Her Tune About Halloween On Alegria," ran the next day and can be found here.

There were two statements issued by the City Manager about East Alegria's Halloween festivities. The first, which ran in Elaine's "City Manager's Report" on the unhappy date of September 11, claimed that the city had for all intents and purposes abandoned the folks on East Alegria, and they would have to fend for themselves this year without the kind assistance of the Sierra Madre Police Department. Who, just so you know, care deeply about this city despite all of their lawsuits. Here is how that piece of bad news originally read (link):


After that revelation was posted on The Tattler there was quite an outcry around town. The result being the City Manager was apparently forced, and by all five members of the City Council no less, to issue a clarification of her earlier statement. This time Elaine claimed that everything was hunky dory and that the City of Sierra Madre's local government agency had this after all (link):


After this news was shared with the public most believed things were under control and that Sierra Madre's most popular and famous holiday event would proceed as it always has, in a peaceable and safe way. Five figure attendance figures and all.

However, and according to this widely circulated and rather urgent e-mail from the Sierra Madre Woman's Club (dated just three days before Halloween no less), that might not be the case. At least not yet. And while a few generous private organizations have stepped in to fill some of the gaps, things apparently are not quite all of the way there yet.


Again, while it is laudable to see that private organizations have stepped in to take care of what are some of the essential needs of an event of this size and magnitude, it also appears that things are not quite as under control as the City Manager claimed back on October 15.

Which, and at this late date, is both unfortunate and kind of scary. It is hard to understand how City Hall can be so cavalier about an event that yearly attracts 10,000 people to this town, and at night no less.

Can it be police pensions really have stolen Halloween?

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78 comments:

  1. I'm not sure how to answer any of this. The Woman's Club should support their own activities. If the SMPD has the lights available, they could rent them from the city. I don't think they have a right to expect the city to provide for them. Thanks to the organizations that chipped in for Alegria. Does the SMPD love Sierra Madre so much that they have no volunteers? Is there a threat on Alegria with no police present? If so, then maybe it has gotten too big. It is really a child's holiday. It should be filled with the thrill of trick or treating and maybe being scared a little of a spooky house. Somehow there is a liability here as it is sponsored and not just random. Who covers that? And with all the misinformation out there, who will be the first to sue now that our city manager has let it be known that there may or may not be proper coverage of the event. Crime comes to Mayberry via Elaine!

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    1. I say cancel the party if we can't pay for it.
      How's that for an idea?

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    2. We now know the Woman's Club will be supporting the UUT. I am sure more than one of its members claims the exemption. It the past I have donated thousands of dollars in clothing to the club. From now on I will call the Disabled American Veterns. There was no reason to make the Alegria event political. Since it is the volunteers that actually make the events in town happen, the city needs to get their money grabbing hands off these events.

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    3. Mary Carney should be ashamed of herself and she's full of cow methane.

      She's using the UUT as a sham issue - the UUT is about the water infrastructure NOT about the SMPD

      what a clownish tactic

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  2. Good point. Why doesn't the SMPD ever volunteer for anything? It can't be that they love money more than Sierra Madre, can it?

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    1. Rather than volunteering they are holding the city ransom.

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    2. It's in their union contract. Lol. Same with all the city employee unions. $$$$$$$

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    3. I'm sure that all of the PD hours will be overtime.

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  3. And all because of the lack of UUT. it's 'our' fault for not passing it - certainly not mismanagement at city hall.

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    1. It's as if city hall is hoping for trouble.

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    2. Just a little.
      Just enough to say
      See you ungrateful so and sos, this is what happens when you try to interfere with our finances.

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    3. The city wants trouble. Lol if they need to call the sheriff.

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    4. That is who they call when they get in trouble. The Sheriffs. They better be nice or next time the Sheriffs won't show up.

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    5. sure Mary - and all of those lawsuits have nothing to do with the budgets being overwhelmed?

      please lady - get real

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  4. Hoots love Ms. Carney's pro-UUT hyperbole. The UUT fails so the City's $600,000 short. We were told a 2% increase in UUT (say 10% from the current 8%) generated $500,000 more income.

    Ms. Carney has one helluva inflation rate.

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    1. It's safe to say she was just saying what she was told to say.

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    2. so Mary doesn't have a brain of her own?

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  5. How many Tattler readers are volunteering to direct traffic, be crossing guards, etc. for this event? Why is this up to the City to handle if it's not a City run event?? This is a private event.

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    1. The City Manager said this was handled. Obviously it is not. That this community's children could be in harm's way doesn't bother you? Maybe just a little bit?

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    2. 6:27 - If the Tattler had not reported on this earlier this month this event would have happened with NO police protection. Wake up for God's sake.

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    3. I never needed police protection trick-or-treating when I was a kid. It would be more fun without the floodlights and cops

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    4. With success comes responsibility.

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    5. Since this is put on by private people.......make it a private event. Must show Sierra Madre I D to participate.
      No more bussing in people.

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    6. 6:56 I totally agree.

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    7. 8:15 - Thanks Donald Trump

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    8. I completely agree with 8:15.

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    9. What is a Sierra Madre ID? A big can?

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  6. yes -- God's sake (the Japanese alcohol) is at sake so wake up!!!!!!!!!!

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  7. Lets blow the horn to that.

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    1. We should have horn day. Pay 5 bucks to blow the horn. All proceeds go to safety.

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  8. God forbid there is a serious accident during this private event. Which deep pocket do you think the victims ambulance-chasing lawyer will sue?
    What insurance is there to cover such accidents caused by an 'attractive nuisance' ?
    Someone needs to think this through .

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    1. So everyone that decorates or gives out candy should get extra insurance?

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    2. Your comment suggests this is a newly-proposed event. It is very much not. And you can rest assured the city thought it through a long time ago. As to your liability examples, attractive nuisance is an affirmative defense to trespassing. It doesn't provide a basis to sue someone. The homeowners are insured for incidents on their property, and the city's liability for an accident in a public space doesn't change whether they provide police or not.

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    3. So you really think none of those lawyers who advertise on the back of the buses "Accidentes?" ,could sue us?
      These days,at a Jury Trial, it would be so easy that they may have their runners handing out leaflets on Alegria.

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    4. 8:03, lots of people have thought it through and it is all in hand. There is no reason for hand-wringing. There will be plenty of security, toilets, and trashcans. What the women's club was looking for was money to rent lights for Baldwin and Alegria. The Women's Club has the money, they just have to reallocate it, and I think it is wonderfully generous of them to do so. So, thank you to the women who work so hard to raise the money for civic events - sponsored by the City or not.

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  9. The decorations have all blown away by now anyways.....

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    1. You obviously don't live in town, cause if you did you would n
      Know the decoration aren't up yet.

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    2. Darn could have sworn I put them up yesterday? Are you sure I didn't? I think I "would nKnow the decoration aren't up yet"

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    3. Maybe 8:24 doesn't live in town.

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    4. 8:24 has lived in town for over thirty years. has watched it go from a local event for our children to an invasion of out of towners. knows that if you walk up Alegria tomorrow and Sat you will see the decorations being constructed. knows the family that started it as a way to let their older kids still be involved in Halloween.

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    5. 8:57 has lived here 62 years plus if we're having a contest. It hasn't been a local event for over 30 years.The "family" that started it left Sierra Madre many years ago in disgrace due to an alleged crime against a child. (never proven to my knowledge)

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    6. And Security was provided by "Elvis" the big white happy dog .Fond memories.

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    7. And one neighbor had that giant tortoise they painted orange and let the kids sit on. 'member It ran away Dad said but I think it was something more sinister I was 8 yo.

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  10. This is what happens when you devote an excessive portion of the budget to police services. We lack the money to better our civic life. We need to secure the $800k in annual savings available under the sheriff's proposal.

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    1. The cops take half the General Fund and now they are demanding a UUT hike so they can get more. They're like the kid who never moves out of your house.

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    2. And once the new UUT passes, they will take even more. And so will Calpers and so will the Public Employees Union.And we'll have more money to pay the SMPD lawsuits against us.

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  11. It's clear some of the commenters have never been to this event. Yes, for what I am sure are political reasons, it is not an officially-sponsored city event. But, it is SO a city event. In fact, I would call it one of Sierra Madre's finest, largest, most creative, well-organized and attended events, and the city knows it. It's also organized by a very dedicated and imaginative group of Sierra Madre residents, folks who I think deserve their city's support for this gift to the residents and many others who attend. For my kids, it turns one block of their city every year into a virtual Disneyland, creating lasting memories of Halloween they would not otherwise have (not in any way just trick-or-treating). If you think for a second the city doesn't covet this event, you are kidding yourself. Keeping it "private" is just a way to create some distance. Believing that silliness is one thing. But using the "private" card to pull resources from the event is nothing short of disingenuous, especially if it is being used as a tax-raising pawn.

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    1. They do like to tell their stories.

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  12. I heard there is a TV station crew on E. Alegria.

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    1. TV news reads The Tattler.

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    2. We're on the news for the windstorm closing Baily Canyon & the Mt. Wilson Trail.
      Haven't heard yet about our tussle with the police over Halloween safety.
      Hope the media does not announce the city's neglect!

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  13. Somebody should call the Sheriffs. I'll bet they would volunteer to help on East Alegria.

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    1. We have our own volunteers, thank you

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    2. Yes, but they're not the SMPD. Those folks are like supermodels. Costs a fortune just to get them out the door.

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    3. The Sierra Madre Police Department never volunteers anything. They don't give a damn about this community.

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  14. Halloween "devil's night" is an evil holiday and the city should not be involved. My children go to church event celebrating Christs battle with evil we stay behind closed doors on halloween as true believers should.
    Some people in town think the city shouldn't support Christsmas but should support hell's celebration.

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    1. The Alegria event has become a celebration of the Occult.

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    2. Interesting. So we should expect a big Civility Party turn out?

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    3. pfffffttttt Christians....can't burn at the stake anymore.........

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    4. I think the Civility party misses Bob Matheson. He did a lot of the thinking for them.

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  15. I'm actually supporting Elaine on this one.
    She is in charge. She has the resources,the budget and access to Law Enforcement & the CC.
    She is in a much better position than a mere tattler to know if we do or do not have the budget to provide all the services for a PRIVATE event.
    If she says she does not have the resources to provide reasonable safety,protection & hygiene it is fatuous to reject her decision. Based on what set of facts?
    You can challenge her because you don't trust her,but that is a different issue.
    There are a few options?
    1. get the CC to provide her with the budget she needs to keep the event safe and sanitary.
    2. Ask for more volunteers
    3.Ask for more public donations to support/sponsor
    4. If Tattlers can convince the CC that this is really a dirty trick to stick it to the anti-UUT crowd - that is another issue.
    Just saying "Ah it is for the kids" is nice but this is not a question about niceness.
    The issue is budgetary,safety,honesty .And as often seems to happen Elaine is in the middle looking manipulative-at best.

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    1. Maybe you're right. All I know is that she told the CC this was handled and it was not. Oh, to be a fly on the wall at City Hall today. Mmm-mmm.

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    2. actually I'd agree that this more a private event gotten out of hand

      but Elaine and Mary Cray Cray Carney are using it as a political tool

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    3. It is all about the money. Always is.

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  16. It used to be "All Hallowes' Eve"
    Devils Night+no cops = much trouble. Why? Because it is a public incitement to come to Sierra Madre and cause havoc.Thanks Elaine.

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  17. All Saints' Day. All Souls' Day. Either way day a sacrilege to those born again in the name of all that is unholy.

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  18. What is "light" about the Occult and Devil Night?

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    1. You're trying to make something out of nothing. You're pathetic.

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    2. Perhaps.
      So please enlighten us. What does the current version of Halloween signify for you?

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    3. Something for killjoy old farts like you to whine about.

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    4. This is not a conversation about "joy".
      It is a serious discussion about Budgets,Taxes,Public Safety.
      Dismissive vulgarity does not help us find solutions.
      Tattler is about finding a way forward to a better situation for Sierra Madre. Care to join in ?

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  19. The women's club should ask the members of the police force to bring their families and volunteer for free. I wonder how many on the police force would help out this town for free. But it might be a good way for the police to earn some goodwill with the community, especially since they have a reputation for repeatedly suing the city.

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    1. If the PD actually cared about this city we wouldn't be having these problems. But they don't. They just want the money.

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    2. And an easy job, total job security,lavish pension and health care for life and your utter obedience and total respect.

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  20. Support the 20/20 ProposalOctober 29, 2015 at 9:31 PM

    There is only one budget item we can reduce: the police services budget . If we accept the sheriff's proposal we will have plenty of money ($800k annually) to pay for the Alegria event. Hell, we could hire city pumpkin carvers. The rest of the money could be devoted to fixing Heasley, supporting seniors, and improving the library! And if we make this one simple change we will not need to increase the uut!

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  21. Atleast there is some form of Halloween festivities in SM. Living in Arcadia with young kids really sucks at Halloween since 95% of the houses are dark. Thanks Alegria residents for doing what you do on Halloween.

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