Tuesday, October 27, 2015

The Sheriff's Contract Proposal Review Committee Did Exactly As It Was Told

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Probably about as ugly a City Hall confab as you would ever want to see in this town. Much was made about this meeting not being broadcast on TV, but to be perfectly honest, perhaps it is better that it wasn't shown. Obviously the cop union turned out its hardcore supporters, and more than just a few of them were truly some of the most poorly informed, entitled, and frankly rude people you'd ever care to meet.

A couple even appeared to be drunk. Like I said, it was not a pretty sight last night.

Representatives of the Los Angeles Sheriff Department, who were invited here to provide proposals for law enforcement services by the City of Sierra Madre, gave what I thought was a thoughtful and professional presentation. I also suspect that they thought this was a going to be more of a business meeting with actual functioning city officials rather than an organized community lynching.

Unfortunately for them they had walked into a room partially occupied by some rather wild-eyed and paranoiac individuals, folks who had somehow been convinced that they were facing the enemy of everything wonderful about themselves and their little world. And, thus assured, began repeatedly berating the Sheriffs during public comment, and in at times the most unpleasant of manners.

It was pretty embarrassing.

Equally painful was watching as nobody from Mr. Lambdin's Committee of the Unwilling did anything to stop this verbal assault on these law enforcement professionals, people who supposedly were their guests. Rather they sat and said little as some of the more rude and clueless attendees accused these senior Los Angeles Sheriffs Department representatives of everything from financial exploitation to, in one lengthy and uninterrupted tirade, actual murder.

This while also informing the Sheriffs of how unique and wonderful Sierra Madreans and their community are, and that the Sheriff Department was just not worthy of so fabulous a people and place.

I am not certain these Sheriff Department representatives left the meeting with quite that same impression.

The truth is the Sheriffs would deliver 22% more patrol hours and save the City of Sierra Madre over $800,000 per year. A figure that would help take care of up to 80% of the city's financial shortfall. Such savings could be used to improve the Library, enhance the senior center, and build improved little league and softball facilities.

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But don't try and tell the late, great Neil the Pig's mom that.

The Sheriff's Contract Review Committee did exactly as it was told to do, and just as we predicted they would. They rejected all 3 of the Sheriff Department proposals, while at the same time not only calling for no cuts whatsoever to the SMPD's budgets, but that the cops should actually be receiving even more in more funding than they do now.

Rather Level 3 cuts should be instituted everywhere else. Except for the Library, of course. As City Council liaison Gene Goss was quick to note.

The committee even pondered telling the City Council that 10% utility taxes are not enough, and that they would need to institute a 12% UUT instead. Proving that the Sheriffs Contract Review Committee believed it was also empowered to advise on tax policy as well.

You have to wonder why this committee even bothered to hold the meeting. It isn't like what they heard made any difference to them. The committee came out of this so-called process thinking exactly as they did going in. They might as well have just submitted City Hall's applicable press releases to the City Council and spared everyone the aggravation of having been put through this.

Chief Giannone got his signature Eeyore act on, making much about how little he felt his people are being paid, and how difficult it is to attract new cops to the SMPD. This while also keeping the ones he already has. Since he did not give any figures to back up his claims (no surprise), here are some examples of just how little the Chief feels these people are being paid (link).


At nearly twice the median income of working Sierra Madreans (link) whose taxes sustain them, you can easily deduce that the quite highly compensated SMPD are not missing out on any meals or forced to sleep in their patrol cruisers. At least not when the choose to do so.

Personally, and at these very high levels of compensation, I think the city should throw these jobs open to the public and let everyone apply. The line of eager applicants would likely extend down Sierra Madre Boulevard all the way to Michillinda.

The Assistant City Manager prays.
The Sheriffs Contract Review Committee will submit their report to the City Council tonight. Councilmembers Gene Goss and John Harabedian will pretend to be very impressed, and call for everyone to support the UUT increase next April.

Which is, of course, what this really has been about all about. Money, union payoffs in exchange for campaign support, and things such as incredibly expensive CalPERS pensions. All in a town of less than 11,000 already heavily taxed people.

Agenda item to watch for tonight


Link here. Apparently this report was submitted very late, with Dr. Baribeau not living up to the billing given by Director Inman when he was asking for her $50,000 fee.

And is there a conclusion from the good Doctor? Watchwords to go by? Nope. Not even close.

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101 comments:

  1. Last nights experience was unbelievable. Those who spoke out against the Sheriff obviously new nothing about good police work. Maybe Mr. chrome dome is still paying back the pd for keeping his son out of jail or booking the naked mayor running. That group is made up of a lot of the same law breakers and I guess being drunk in public is ok if your in the click. Last nights demonstration will have the Sheriff talking for a long time, this town acted like a spoiled brat who didn't want to take out the trash.

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  2. So former SMPD chief, Marilyn Diaz feels that the only way to solve this situation is raise the UUT tax to 12%. That way she can continue to receive her $180,000.00 plus per year retirement money, all taken from your pocket and mine. I thought police officers were supposed to be against theft.

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    1. It is amazing how council members have to recuse themselves when there is the littlest conflict of interest but a retired Police Chief of Sierra Madre is allowed to be on a committee recommending Sheriff's and UUT which affects her retirement funds. NO conflict there.

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    2. Chief Diaz used to have her officers making traffic stops in Arcadia at 2 am. She blatantly lied at a Council meeting when she defended traffic stops in Arcadia by saying that her officers were returning from the Pasadena jail and observed a drunk driver. So our brilliant officers followed the drunk driver from the freeway to Live Oak deep into Arcadia. There wasn't any record of anybody being booked in Pasadena.

      She had our officers patrolling in Arcadia when they should have been in SM and padding her arrest numbers.

      No wonder her rank and file didn't have any respect for her - she didn't deserve it.

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  3. Well, I must laud this committee. Their attitude and ineptitude make it all that much easier for the NO on UUT to pass.

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    1. After last night's snow job, I too will vote for Earl Richie's no UUT.
      Look for the rats to begin abandoning the S.S. Sierra Madre. They will take their CalPERS and scurry away as fast as their feet can go.

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  4. What a comedic cavalcade of incompetence!

    The star news notes today that the city needs $1.4 m for water main repair, and that it may have to tap the general fund for this money. At the same time the hand picked, blue ribbon, select panel of geniuses on the sheriff's proposal muses that we may not be able to afford our own police department. Still, swayed by the soaring rhetoric of the Pig Lady, it announces that we must reject the sheriff's offer to provide 22% more patrol hours for $800k less a year and, instead, seek more police! Anyone notice that the sheriff savings alone will fix the mains in two years and leave $200 k a year leftover for something we really need, like staff raises.

    It is time for mayor copaccia - remember him, the guy who ran as a fiscally competent manager - to crawl out from under the bed and lead. Maybe Rachel and Denise can help him rediscover his lost . . . Mojo.

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    1. John Capoccia - The Great Tax Fighter became The Great Tax Hiker. I think the pod people must have gotten him.

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  5. so Former SMPD chief Diaz thinks the city can't get by unless the UUT is raised to 12%. I say, let's raise it to 35% or better yet, 50%. That way we'll for sure have enough!

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    1. All resident paychecks should be electronically paid into the city's account. Then what they don't need can be transformed to you.

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  6. It is obvious to me that I don't know the hold and fear the SMPD has over council, past and present. What a joke played on us innocent honest thinking citizens.

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    1. There is no fear of the SMPD, they all belong to the same Masonic brotherhood. They are "bros" and all have the same goal. They protect and cover for one another. Wasn't last night's sham proof of that?

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    2. The mafia in blue.

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    3. Did you ever check out the cornerstone at City Hall? Masonic logo.

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  7. It used to be said, under Police Chief Betts (some of the Tattler readers were here back then) that the reason Sierra Madre had such a good safety record was Under Reporting.

    Last night's meeting laid rest to the lie that we are a nice place. The viciousness that was present last night was the real underbelly of Sierra Madre.

    So, here is my prediction: we love our town so much that we must have our own Police Department and in so doing go completely bankrupt leaving us not only with no town, no PD and no VFD but under the complete control of the county and state. Ha, ha, ha.

    Vote No on the UUT.

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    1. You said it alright, controlled by the state! I think I hear Gov. Brown doing the happy dance!

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    2. Would that be the same Chief Betts who was a 33 degree Mason?

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  8. If they had televised this 'big top carnival act' it would have opened up more residents eyes to more facts rather than the heart string tugging violin screeching 'we need to keep out SMPD at what ever the cost no matter if we can save $800,000.00 plus each and every year the L.A.C. Sheriffs department handles patrols with in Sierra Madre, California..

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    1. Yes, and the powers that be knew it would open the residents eyes. They didn't want that to happen and so no televising of the meeting.
      Remember that they control the Mt.Views News, the government channel 3, and the emergency radio station. Ahh, how they would love to get rid of the Tattler. Remember how happy they were when the Mod moved out of town. They hoped he would take the Tattler with him. Ha!

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    2. when Lambin got involved I knew it was biased - he makes up his mind, pretends to be open minded but will argue with a rock

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  9. Did anyone notice the Chief said he would still be around? As our safety guy! Wow, at the same salary? There are no words to describe these people that spoke at the meeting. The pig lady was, well, just that! Then there was the guy with the crutches-and then the short guy who came from the back, who told the Sheriff that they will lie. Of course he and his wife were seen glad handing the many SMPD members there last night. More than I have ever seen in one place, some I'd never seen before. Then there were the drunks ...wow! what a group. And the committee? What a mess. I don't believe some of them read the sheriff's report-they asked questions about things that were pointed out by page number by the sheriff. What a sad bunch! Only one brave soul spoke for the sheriff and did so with class and dignity. These people should attend regular meetings, they don't. Many of them were clueless!

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  10. Did the drunks drive home?

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    1. Sure, why not? SMPD was at the meeting.

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    2. Good night to rob houses. Anyone get hit last night?

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  11. The people at this meeting were the same people that vote incorrectly time after time they just don't get it.

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    1. Joe Mosca supporters probably. Buchanan's people, too.

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  12. The irony about the Civility Party is that they were always by far the most uncivil in town.

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    1. That's how they earned their name.

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    2. Nancy Walsh certainly made some very civil speeches towards the end of her political career. Of course, we never hear from her anymore.

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    3. I miss Josh Moran. Not really.

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    4. They were quite a pair. Did Joe ever return from his hurried exile to Europe?

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  13. I think the Sheriff's department is breathing a sigh of relief...Jesus, we might have voted to go with one of three plans and they would be in a position to reject our sorry ass. Who spoke positively regarding the sheriffs?

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    1. Caroline Brown had some nice words. As did Linus on Grove Street.

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  14. Vote NO on the UUT. Even if Earl Richie does not get his O% in front of the voters, no on the UUT extension will thwart the deal. And get the message out to the public starting Now! Door to door, neighbor to neighbor, do not need to form a PAC. 100 xerox copies of the truth delivered to your neighbors over the course of the next months.

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  15. So if the UUT is 8%, we can break even by getting rid of the police department and going with the sheriff. We also will not have enough money to meet our debts and do the repairs that are needed today to the water system.

    If the UUT is 6%, we are still in the red even if we go with the sheriff, and will need to look into outsourcing the library I assume.

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    1. Why not outsource the library? get the same services and no additional "CalPERS tax" down the road.

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  16. For those of you on Facebook, please give a "like" to www.Facebook.com/NoOnUUT. Thanks!

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    1. Thank you for making this information known. Nice photos on the site of last night's meeting. Looks like the chamber was packed. S.R.O.

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  17. The CC and city Mgr and staff have failed to manage and reduce and or control spending. The sheriff's Dept have agreed to do a better job, work 20% more hours, and reduce the expenses by ( $800,000 ) and that is still not good enough for staff? Remember all those water rate increases and promised water main replacements, which failed to happen!!! Staff is raising water costs again, where is your money going??? The CC and staff are fully responsible for misleading and misappropriation of our monies. Nothing will happen until you gore the pigs, and take the monies away. If the monies are not taken away, the pig just gets fattter!!! We need CHANGE! And as a matter of fact, city hall states we have no change $$$ they had there chance, know we need ours as residence!!/

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  18. So if we have the SMPD we can't afford to fix the water pipes ?
    But if we have the Sherriffs we can afford to fix the water pipes?
    What reasonable person would reject this no-brainer ?
    Answer-the ignorant voter in Sierra Madre.
    But don't worry, BK will fix this eventually. And it will be needless pain.A lot of pain.
    The alternative is to educate the low-info voter. Fat chance.

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  19. Clarity, understanding, logic and reason. Not qualities the SMPD's supporters were showing much last night.

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  20. I wish I had gone to that meeting. I used to live in Pasadena on Michillinda and we would regularly wake up the Sierra Madre police officers who would park their patrol cars in front of our house with the engine running and wake us up at 3am. My husband would bang on the windshield to wake them. They would scurry away only to return another night. I don't know if it was one guy or several that did that. You would think someone wouldn't repeat that, but you never know. What a shame for Sierra Madre.

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    1. SM cops routinely patrol out of the city during the night

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  21. Does anyone know how many tickets get thrown out of court because we don't have enough officers ?

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    1. Not enough to justify a 10% UUT.

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    2. The City can keep its promises - they promised a 6% UUT rate effective 07/01/2016. I'm ready.

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    3. Yes, the City promised a 6% UUT sunset when they originally put this to the people for a vote. The town voted for that arrangement and indeed the people have voted again, twice, to have the UUT sunset to 6%. Shame on the City Staff and City Council for betraying the people of Sierra Madre.

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  22. The aggressive behavior I saw in the crowd last night is the same aggressive behavior I don't want to see in the police protecting my family.

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  23. oh shucks, I don't do Facebook, :(

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    1. I think that you can still look at the photos. You just can't post. Google : Facebook No on UUT. Give it a try.

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  24. The cop union here has always played dirty. Last night was no different.

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    1. When the Sheriff's representatives walked out at the end of their part of the meeting last night, they were stony faced and stared straight ahead, looking at no one. They knew they'd been shat on.

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    2. Don't worry about LASD. My guess is every time they present they get that. POA's never go quietly.

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    3. You may have misread that, 10:14. That may have been their effort to mask relief that they didn't have to commit their quality services to these bozos.

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    4. They were holding their noses.

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  25. Best Practices in Law Enforcement can be had with L.A.C. Sheriffs Department, http://shq.lasdnews.net/Contact.Info-ALL.html

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  26. Crime reduction and cost reduction, two for the price of one. http://sheriff.lacounty.gov/wps/portal/lasd/!ut/p/b0/04_Sj9CPykssy0xPLMnMz0vMAfGjzOJdDQwM3P3dgo3cvVyMDTyD_X0NwkKBgiGG-gXZjooANF9fdQ!!/?1dmy&page=dept.lac.lasd.home.residents.residentsdetail.hidden&urile=wcm%3apath%3a/lasd+content/lasd+site/home/government/government+publications/a+decade+of+leadership+-+text+version+for+translation

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  27. For what good it will do, write the CC about how you feel. Keep copies. Not sure if the meeting will be stacked tonight. I am going and will speak. Please try to go to the meeting. It is the first thing on the agenda and you will get out of there, hopefully, in a reasonable amount of time.

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  28. Who in their right mind would speak up against the local POA at any meeting? Let's be real here. Once shame on you, twice, shame on me. No sir officer, I didn't complain about you, no sir.

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  29. If anyone is on FB check out the Sierra Madre group page...I think we now have the names of the brain trusts that keep to voting for higher taxes and to who want to keep the SMPD! There arguments for keeping the SMPD are amazingly inaccurate.

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    1. A lot of recovering members of the Jim Snider fan club.

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  30. I have seen the pig's mom drive around town with a handicap placard. She doesn't appear to be disabled. I have seen her walking to school with her daughter, nothing seems to be amiss.

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    1. It could be for a mental condition.

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    2. 12:23, let's keep it civil and no mud-slinging here. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean you have to stoop to their level.

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    3. You need to watch what you say. Having a placard in your car is not illegal. I care for a disabled family member.

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    4. You were bizarre last night. Just saying. How do you justify being so rude to those men?

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    5. Bizarre by asking them how long it will take for theme to finger print the scene of a crime? If that is bizarre I wonder what you find "normal." And as for my placard I also have a medically fragile child. If that makes you feel any better about yourself and calling me names.

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    6. My house was robbed. $7,000 worth of specialized computer equipment. No fingerprinting was ever done, or anything else. We called a Detective named Gray about 5 times and the jerk never called back. We needed to have a report filled out so we could get some money from the insurance company. The lazy SMPD staff refused to do it, so we did it ourselves. But we still needed to get it signed, and we had to go down to that PD station 3 times before one of those people agreed to sign it. This process took a full month. So when you stood up there ranting about fingerprints I could only laugh. Fire the SMPD. Now. They're useless and need to go.

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    7. I am sorry that was your experience. It was not mine. As for my placard I find it creepy that someone plays that close attention to what is in my car. But if it is of such concern I have no problem asking for assistant taking my daughter to and from Children's Hospital, doctor's appointment, lab draws, etc. I am finding it difficult to manage and deal with all the hurtful comments people are making on here without knowing one single thing other than I support SMPD.

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    8. I had nothing to do with those comments. However I did find your little rant last night to be a bit much.

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  31. The people speaking last night missed the point of the meeting. It was not to be rude to the Sheriffs, but to ask questions about the contract. Thank you to Caroline Brown who spoke respectfully and thoughtfully. Whoever is pointing out to the Tattlers that the sheriff can save us $800,000 a year seems to have a different calculator than I do. Hope they can break it down for us. As Lambdin pointed out, it will take about $500,000 just to buy out the current police working for the city and then there would be other costs that weren't calculated. Also remember that Giannone would be staying on.

    I was disappointed that Glen didn't give the public a chance to speak on the other items on the agenda - i.e. recommendation to the city council. They were getting their panties in a wad trying to make a motion to send to the city council. In the end, it didn't sound like that was what most of them agreed on, but what the heck, the council will do what they please anyway.

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    1. "The people speaking last night missed the point of the meeting. It was not to be rude to the Sheriffs, but to ask questions about the contract."

      They're special people and they have the right to yell at anybody they please. After all, they're from Sierra Madre.

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    2. $500,000 buy out costs? What crap is that? The POA can't keep the city from contracting out. I believe their contract is about to run out now, anyhoo.

      Going to have to get some facts first, Mr. Lamdin.

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    3. Those of you who are new to the complex Mr. Lambdin need to be aware that sometimes he just makes things up. I am not sure he can help himself.

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    4. Lambin does make up stuff. He told me he served in Vietnam and others tell me he didn't. Not sure what to think of the guy but don't trust him. He was railroading the presentation. Sham flim flam job.

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  32. You only get to use the Blue placard when you are escorting the owner of the card who is in the car with you where they then need to be in close up handicapped parking areas. Read the regulations Neil's replacement pet pig owner.

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    1. It's in my car. I do not use it to park in handicap spaces.

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    2. And how do you know what I do? Do you live in my house, pay my bills, escorts my daughter to and from Children's Hospital, doctor's appointment, lab draws, etc.? No you don't. But since my placard is of such concern to you there you have it. Now, if you would like to help out with any of the aforementioned medical appointments please feel free
      Otherwise don't jump to conclusions.

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    4. Sorry Dave. The death threat thing doesn't fly here.

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    5. Having a placard in the car (not parking in handicap spaces does not make illegal, also you have no reason as per Hippa to know why she has the placard, just because someone can walk does not mean they do NOT need the placard. They could have heart issues, asthma, or a multitude of other reasons. Stop looking in people's cars or someone might think you are going to rob it? Stay out of people's personal life and don't worry about why the have placards

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  33. Little known fact: if you have a policing problem that your local PD can fix you can call the county sheriff to help get the problem solved. Now why the LA County SD would ever what to help a Sierra Madre citizen ever again, I wouldn't know. Shame on the nastiness that was displayed last night. Caroline was not speaking against the local PD, there are lots of stories for and against any PD or Sheriff's Dept. She was pointing out that Sierra Madreans already do depend on the County Sheriff, here during an emergency, and when (and if) they ever venture outside these hallowed city limits. Also, that she had good sheriff services with a large number of other community members out in San Bernadino County a few years ago.

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    1. ...local PD cannot fix...was what the first sentence was supposed to read,,,

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    2. "Shame on the nastiness that was displayed last night." How about all the nastiness that is displayed in this blog which is extremely critical of the entire SMPD and City Hall staff? There's much hypocrisy going on here.

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    3. "Shame on the nastiness that was displayed last night." How about all the nastiness that is displayed in this blog which is routinely critical of the entire SMPD and City Hall staff? There's much hypocrisy going on here.

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    4. So the blog enables both your nastiness and whining as well?

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  34. I remember when we had the hurricane winds here in November a few years ago. We had a visiting Sheriff driving down the boulevard. The street was littered with debris. The Sheriff pulled over to the curb, removed the branches/debris and helped the pedestrian cross the street. I was struck by his genuine act of kindness.
    At the time I said to myself, I don't think any of our police force would have done that. From that day on, the Sheriff's Dept. was elevated in my eyes.

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    1. that's because they are real officers

      ours are wannabees

      and we have one that will shoot you in the back

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  35. Would be interesting to see what organizations were represented at last nights farce.

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  36. Thank you Councilmember Holden for this opportunity to suck up to you. Please let me know if there are any opportunities up in Sacramento for me as things are going south here in Sierr Madre.

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  37. The UUT. Just vote NO.

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    1. I'm voting NO for the 3rd time.

      We have very dense leadership.

      And deceptive.

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  38. Ms. Diaz the former Chief of Police admits in tonight's meeting that the SMPD budget must increase substantially. SMPD is badly under-staffed. She hints that the Sheriff is the alternative.
    Duh !
    Surprise ,the SMPD has a huge budget increase in the wings ,ready to go as soon as they get their hands on the UUT money.
    Is there no end to the dishonesty of SMPD?

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  39. The dumb bunny element is now having their say. It is amazing how ignorant some of them are.

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  40. Turn down the UUT one more time and this city has no choice but to bring in the Sheriffs. Vote NO.

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  41. 4:41 P.M. I was here for those winds it wasn't the city that went around checking neighbors and making sure things were as safe as could be expected ... It was the neighbors that pulled out rakes and chainsaws and made nice neat piles for the city to come along and pick up later .
    No one from the city came by to check and make sure the neighborhood was okay . The only issue I heard about was we might need to conserve and boil water because our awesome water infrastructure sustained damage .
    For two and half nerve racking cold days and nights I didn't feel safe ...Because I felt so vulnerable and basically frightened I went out learned how to shoot and take care of a gun ... Sorry ,I have no confidence in this city went it comes to the police department,infrastructure ,and chaos.

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    1. Nor do I and you don't need to say sorry. They brought the resentment and lack of confidence on themselves.

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  42. The last woman to speak also spoke last night. To her, the sheriff isnparamilitary. Tonight she wants realtors to be responsibleto advise clients ofnthe UUT.. Really? People need to be responsible for that. As for the sheriff being paramilitary-they don't just work in quiet Sierra Madre. They are trained for various locales and events. I would rather have a trained sheriff in an emergency than getting shot in the back by a local officer or having to be buddy buddy with the police to get the right services. The pig's mom says one thing about how SMPD conducts themselves and another tells a different story. There doesn't seem to be any consistancy as to what SMPD does. Tey need to be looked into.

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