Monday, November 2, 2015

Pat Holland's Brave Letter Regarding The Outrageous Behavior Of Some Sheriff's Department Opponents

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In all fairness, there have been a couple of interesting Letters to the Editor of the Mountain Views News published lately. Including the following from Sierra Madre resident Pat Holland regarding the bizarre behavior of certain opponents to bringing the Los Angeles Sheriff's Department to town.

Of course, the paper itself has somehow neglected to mention the parboiled hostility and disrespect on display at the so-called Sheriff's Contract Proposal Review Committee meeting on October 26, so perhaps this is part of a slowly building consensus regarding the strangely entitled incivility that was clearly on display there. Anything can happen I guess. More on that a little later.

Here is Pat Holland's courageous letter.


This is in a similar vein to what The Tattler had to say about this unfortunate situation back on October 27 (link). Making Pat and myself just about the only persons around to have commented in print about this. Here is a recap of what was said here.

Probably about as ugly a City Hall confab as you would ever want to see in this town. Much was made about this meeting not being broadcast on TV, but to be perfectly honest, perhaps it is better that it wasn't shown. Obviously the cop union turned out its hardcore supporters, and more than just a few of them were truly some of the most poorly informed, entitled, and frankly rude people you'd ever care to meet.

A couple even appeared to be drunk. Like I said, it was not a pretty sight last night.

Representatives of the Los Angeles Sheriff Department, who were invited here to provide proposals for law enforcement services by the City of Sierra Madre, gave what I thought was a thoughtful and professional presentation. I also suspect that they thought this was a going to be more of a business meeting with actual functioning city officials rather than an organized community lynching.

Unfortunately for them they had walked into a room partially occupied by some rather wild-eyed and paranoiac individuals, folks who had somehow been convinced that they were facing the enemy of everything wonderful about themselves and their little world. And, thus assured, began repeatedly berating the Sheriffs during public comment, and in at times the most unpleasant of manners.

It was pretty embarrassing.

Equally painful was watching as nobody from Mr. Lambdin's Committee of the Unwilling did anything to stop this verbal assault on these law enforcement professionals, people who supposedly were their guests. Rather they sat and said little as some of the more rude and clueless attendees accused these senior Los Angeles Sheriffs Department representatives of everything from financial malfeasance to, in one lengthy and uninterrupted tirade, actual murder.

This while also informing the Sheriffs of how unique and wonderful Sierra Madreans and their community are, and that the Sheriff Department was just not worthy of so fabulous a people and place. I am not certain these LASD representatives left that meeting with quite the same impression.

Oddly, it is these civility challenged individuals who are being cited by some of our local leadership as proof of considerable and worthy community opposition to contracting with the Sheriff's Department. We not only heard just that from Councilmembers Goss and Harabedian at last Tuesday's City Council meeting, along with members of the so-called Sheriff's Contract Proposal Review Committee as well, but also in the exact same edition of The Mountain Views News where Holland's letter is to be found.

Here is an example of MVN rude behavior tolerance:


This little missive from the MVN's editrix contains one rather blatant mistruth. That being the savings realized by contracting with the Sheriff's Department would not begin to go into effect until 7 years after things get rolling.

In reality the savings would be immediate and financially profound from the get-go. Something that, and despite Chair Lambdin's blustering false claims to the contrary, was called out by Mayor Capoccia at last Tuesday's City Council confab.

But there is also this. Why have so many in positions of authority in this town chosen to enable this kind of behavior? Do they see some political advantage in that? Are they under instructions to do so from apparently influential members of the highly compensated cop union?

Mayor Pro Tem Goss actually claimed that this was somehow the true face of Sierra Madre, and that the proof that the people had spoken. All that is apparently left, at least in his mind, is yet another round of raises for the SMPD, backed by increased utility taxes. This despite the fact that many cops in town are already being compensated well over $150,000 per year, which is nearly double the median family income of the taxpayers supporting them.

These august personages really might want to reconsider getting into bed with what is clearly a small claque of cop union organized individuals who, for whatever their reasons, believe themselves wonderful enough to go off in public in such rude and unhinged ways. And who then expect be appreciated for it as well.

City Council meetings two weeks in a row?

The following confusing information can be currently found on the City of Sierra Madre website:


So far no agenda for this mysterious meeting has appeared on the city's webby. We'll let you know if anything actually does show up.

sierramadretattler.blogspot.com

116 comments:

  1. Once again the 'old guard' has rallied it's loyal troops to raise up in defense of the cause they were told to support or oppose these loyal troops can ONLY parrot those phrases they have been instructed to shout out or sing this just shows how misinformed many are of this cost and supply numbers go unheeded by the masses in Sierra Madre. This is progress and what ever side you stand on it comes to this, change or parish time is moving on.

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    1. It definitely does have that whiff of madness we saw with the badly misnamed Civility Party.

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    2. blatantly stupid.

      for a city that squanders money and severely mismanaged, to make a point that it may be between 2 - 7 years before a savings is realized just solidifies the point that the Sheriff's proposal makes sense for the city

      the city wants to tax us for umpteen years to kingdom come for inconsistent reasons but a savings that is clear, specific and realized is bad idea

      only in SM

      only in SM

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    3. "the culture of Sierra Madre"

      what a joke

      we are a suburb of Los Angeles

      the "culture" is a bunch of rubes who want to play politics and are a Santa Monica wannabees

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    4. The police department is just too expensive. Sierra Madre is a small town and cannot afford those big CalPERS retirement packages. We've been priced out!

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    5. Good point, 6:19. That was one of the most embarrassing parts of those diatribes. These graceless people actually think they're special, and aren't afraid to bray about it on a live mic. Very weird.

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    6. Live case studies of narcissism on display in Sierra Madre. Now on a video near you. OMG.

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    7. The Tattler should isolate some of the more bizarre performances and post them on the blog.

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  2. Neil the Pig's mother continues to get criticism. Does anyone know what she is a Doctor of?

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    1. SOCIOLOGY!!!

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    2. Def not a Doctor of Democracy.

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    3. A doctor of sociology? Is sociology some kind of a disease?

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    4. She has a doctorate in public administration which focuses on our government functions plus a masters and a bachelors in social work

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    5. I believe that's "how our government is supposed to function."

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  3. Is she literally the owner of the pig or does this mean something I don't get?

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    1. She was, at least until it passed on and into the hands of another. She still identifies herself as such, however.

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    2. Neil has gone to heaven. A place where a pig can fly.

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    3. If she has a masters in social work, she is a disgrace to social workers everywhere.

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  4. What you heard was the influence of the police union - the same union that had retained as the Sierra Madre Police union's attorney those infamous lawyers from the now defunct and corrupt firm of Dammeier, Lackie, McGill and Ethir. This law firm was known for the dirtiest of tactics including accusing the city of San Gabriel of Bell-like corruption that had no basis in fact but was only used to gain leverage in the police unions' contract negotiations with the city. We should not have a short memory. Our nice police department hired the worst of the worst when it came to law firms and had no compunction about suing the City i.e. the taxpayers/residents if they didn't get their way with salary negotiations. I'm sure nothing has changed in that regard. Why should we be loyal to them when the union will have no hesitation about engaging in hardball tactics including a lawsuit whenever they don't get their way. By the way, google that law firm to see what they were all about.

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  5. Does Susan Henderson still live in Sierra Madre? I keep hearing rumors hat she has moved out of town.

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  6. only in Sierra Madre could there be a police officer who freaks out, shoots an unarmed man in the back and then gets promoted to Detective and now racks in overtime to pad his pension numbers

    yeah, the Sheriff's Department is corrupt and a 2nd rate choice to our PD

    jeez, as soon as I heard Glenn was running the committee I knew it was biased and had already made it's decision, just had to rationalize it after the fact

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  7. she is taking care of her partner who is being treated for cancer and is living near her in
    LA during her treatment and hopes to move back

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  8. speaker after speaker offered to write a check to help the SMPD

    laughable - I see Susan has not lost her gift for embellishment and slanting her writing

    I'd write them a check and it'd bounce - then Detective Amos could investigate but I wouldn't turn my back on him...

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    1. A resident can write a donation check to the City at any time. Interesting how no one does it.

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    2. Yes. Many here feel quite proud when they demand that others pay more.

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    3. High taxes are for YOU, not me.

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  9. Only in sierra mader do you get promoted for shooting a man in the back.

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    1. You have no idea what you are talking about.

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    2. 8:44, if you tell a lie often enough that doesn't make it the truth.

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    3. Amos didn't get promoted for shooting an unarmed man in the back. He got a few days off and returned to the force and then got promoted.

      But how an obviously unbalanced, out of control or easily rattled police officer who freaks out and shoots an unarmed person in the back remains on the force is scary -scary that he's still on the force and still carries a weapon.

      Regardless, it's a fact that Amos shot an unarmed man in the back and instead of every other police force in the US, only in SM is he cleared and promoted.

      I doubt the Sheriff's department has ever done this.

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  10. This "virtural gated community" is living a lie. Many places you go and shop just on our border to the west you are being kept safe from harm by LA County Police Dept. Caroline Brown pointed that out at the Sheriff's presentation meeting. Temple City manages to put its high school into the top ranks academically while living their fear filled lives under the Sheriff's Dept. My guess is now, when and if we do make the change because it will be financially driven, we have ripped off the mask of our so-called niceness. Ouch.

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    1. Self correction: LA County Sheriff's Dept. not Police Dept...

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    2. So does la Canada, which is a lot nicer than our awesome town. Oh, and despite their more urban features, both TC and la Canada are among our state's safest cities.

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  11. I lived in a town with the sheriffs. They are a constant presence. You definitely know they are there. But they don't get in your face like the SMPD does. They don't target moms dropping their kids off at school.

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    1. I lived in a city with LA Sheriff patrol, too. LASD response time was fast and you couldn't go four hours without seeing a unit in the neighborhood on patrol. Had an attempted break in to my garage at 2 AM and three units were there in a few minutes.

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    2. I can't believe that we are actually comparing our PD to the Sheriff's Department.

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  12. I have heard that some of the rude commenters were coached. And that members of the sheriff contract review committee were involved.

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    1. Do they actually believe that tactic works?

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  13. See this? This is my shocked look of surprise face.

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  14. Great letter Pat. Thanks for saying what needed to be said.

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  15. That "Take the Pledge I'm a Water Saver" advertisement on the city website. has the Water Department taken that pledge yet?

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  16. What a bunch of malarky, LE has a job to do and it doesn't matter where they do it. Just like any other LE agency, they have good and not so good cops. This city is feeling super uppity and needs to pipe down and realize that we really aren't that special, we aren't that unique. I have no problem having LASD policing this town of ours, I've had the worst experience with SMPD and think that LASD will do a fine job. Either way, LE is LE.

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    1. Will there be a "new sheriff in town?"

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    2. I want Sheriff Andy for our new sheriff. After all this is Mayberry.

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    3. Why not? We already have Barney Fife.

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    4. A whole lot of Gomers and Goobers, too.

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  17. There is only one solution to the mess we're in and it's not any easy one. Bankruptcy is serious stuff but I believe it is the only way out of our dilemma.

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    1. Agreed.
      The options are a major change of City management plus some reality budgeting now ,or BK eventually.
      The trick will be to sell up and move before BK hits.That will be a long,ugly and expensive process.Property values will take a big hit.

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  18. Dr. Katherine D Emerson, DPA, MSWNovember 2, 2015 at 8:30 AM

    I am flattered to be the attention of yet another reader of the Tattler. As for my credentials, I have a doctorate in public administration and a masters and bachelors degrees in social work. Thone who have gone through the riggers of advanced studies will clearly understand why I identify as Dr. Katherine Emerson. As for Neil the pig, he belonged to myself and the late Mrs. EMERSON. If you would like more information as to my education and publications you can find my faculty Web page just by searching my name.

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    1. "Nobody reads The Tattler".
      Josh Moran

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    2. Kathy, you need to proof read before you post. Or is thone a word only used by the people with lots of letters after their name?

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    3. "riggers" ? You can't even spell ! Try rigors.

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    4. Dr. Katherine D Emerson, DPA, MSWNovember 2, 2015 at 10:19 AM

      I am doing this on a cell phone without my glasses and a very small screen. But again, I appreciate the attention to detail and the fact that who I am and what I do and say is so news worthy. May I continue to be on your mind through this holiday season. Hugs and kisses!

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    5. O…………………………K………………………………..

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  19. I have been are resident of Sierra Madre for only the past five years. Prior to that, I resided in a community serviced by the Los Angeles County Sheriff Department (Newhall/Santa Clarita). Having had contact with both law enforcement agencies, I have found both to be efficient and very professional. While I have great respect and regard for the SMPD, if operating cost is the MAIN consideration, my vote would be to contract services from the Sheriff's Department. With the LASD comes many additional resources and more flexible manpower. My understanding is that any qualified SMPD officer who wish to would be absorbed into the LASD.

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    1. "I'll have what he/she's having."

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    2. The key word is "qualified." I think the point was well made.

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    3. Sorry 8:31, but you have lived here for only 5 years, your opinion doesn't count....

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  20. I was at that meeting. I like to think I was in shock for the reason I didn't get up and make a comment about their rudeness. I'm all for the sheriff coming to town. Again, write all of the CC and tell them. Also tell them that the chief should not stay on as the liason to the sheriff. Elaine decided that liason should make $150,000 a year. She states she only recommends the CC decides. The chief will still get CalPers. I believe he already has a pension from Monterey Park, so enough is enough.

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    1. The Chief can oversee the transition to LASD under his current duties. I believe it's in the "other duties as assigned" category.

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    2. Turning over the keys should be a fairly quick process.

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    3. When the City of Maywood went BK, I believe LASD came in within 24-48 hours.

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  21. A bad experience with SMPD seems a constant refrain ? That has been my experience also. They are worse than useless. They get involved,you rely on them, they flake out. Plus they sue us and abuse guests we invite to address us at a City meeting. And they want to hire more Police?
    Remember the 20/20 rule.
    With the Sheriff we get 20+% savings and 20% more patrols. What's not to love about that ?
    Remember they will operate out of the existing SMPD location.
    Remember that few SMPD will make the grade to be Sheriffs. Most SMPD are deficient in terms of fitness,competence and attitude. Sheriffs won't take weak candidates. Good enough for SMPD fails the Sheriff's entry test.

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  22. A pig is a pig and that's that.

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  23. This little piggy went to market,
    This little piggy stayed home,
    This little piggy had roast beef,
    This little piggy had none,
    And this little piggy went wee wee wee all the way home

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  24. Does anyone know if the UUT will be a general or a specific tax?

    What percentages are needed to pass them?

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    1. The UUT tax can only go I to the General Fund. if the City wanted to specify a fund then the voters would need to pass it by a two-thirds vote instead of the fifty plus one needed for it to go into the General Slush Fund.

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    2. Ok, thanks. We need to keep an eye on the ballot verbiage. (There is usually a question posed at the top of the ballot for every voter to read.) Make sure the ballot does NOT read "Shall the UUT be 10% in order to retain our local Sierra Madre Police Department?" That question would be deceiving. The voters will think that voting in favor of the tax will guarantee that the S.M.P.D. will stay.

      If the UUT is a GENERAL tax, the City is NOT mandated to use the money for the S.M.P.D.
      (Therefore, there should be NO such question on the top of the ballot!)

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    3. But the City can use ALL the UUT income to pay for Platinum Pensions. How cool is that?

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  25. I spoke to a local firefighter. The Fire Dept. will stay even if the Police Dept goes. Don't let 'em fool you at City Hall.

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    1. That's good. I like our Fire Department. They seem to take a lot of pride in what they do.

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    2. The Chief is also staying as Director of Safety.

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    3. 3 Council votes can get rid of Johnny Harabedian's Safety Director boondoggle.

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    4. You mean Director of $afety for the re$idents. Anti-up!

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    5. The Chief of Police is a major part of this problem. He could easily have improved the performance and attitude of SMPD. But the Police Officers do not respect him.He is not a Leader.
      He needs to go.

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    6. He'll do OK. Pensions form Monterey Park PD and SMPD.

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  26. I wish I'd get a straight answer somewhere of why the budgets are so different, where the savings comes from, and what the cost is of switching (why they can say there wouldn't be immediate savings).

    What happens to the local police station, the vehicles, etc?

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    1. The Sheriff would use our station as a "sub-station" and be dispatched out of there. Thus, response time would be the same as our local police (except the dispatch calls come from Temple City.) The vehicles would be sold and that is accounted for in the proposal as well as Giannoni's salary. They say there won't be immediate salaries because there has to be a buy-out of current police officers - e.g. vacation time, etc.

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    2. Coburn's sister tried to make that dishonest response time argument at the city council meeting. Capoccia kicker her to the curb.

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    3. SMPD garage sale? I'm in.

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    4. I want a SMPD work locker, autographed by Chief Diaz.

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    5. Can I have the domain name, www.SierraMadreSucks.com that was used by the SMPD Police Union? Good times.

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  27. The thing about Lambdin is he is a stone cold BS artist. Anyone who was here for Measure V knows what I am talking about.

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  28. A doctorate in Public administration from La Verne University. Teaching at Cal State Los Angeles. Do I have the right Dr. Katherine D. Emerson?

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    1. La Verne University? Is that one of those for-profit weekend programs?

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    2. Dr. Katherine D EmersonNovember 2, 2015 at 4:42 PM

      It is the University of La Verne established in 1891, but if you would like more information here is there webpage http://laverne.edu/about/

      As for my masters degree that is from the Columbia University in the City of New York, you know that Ivy League school.

      Again, I am so glad that I have so many stalkers, I mean fans that read and post on the Tattler. Just for you, I will be handing out autographed bikini photos at the next City Hall meeting. Please only one per blogger because I want to make sure you each get one to put next to your bed. Again, thank you for all of the attention and concern for my education, my pig and what may be in the windshield.

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    3. You have pictures of Neil in a bikini?

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    4. Dr. Katherine D EmersonNovember 2, 2015 at 4:50 PM

      Unfortunately no, he was more of a board shorts kinda guy.

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    5. I've seen her in a bikini. I'd call her Doctor, Your Honor or Her Majesty, whatever she'd like.

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  29. The make-up of the Safety Committee was suspect from the beginning by anyone with any background in this matter.

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  30. The mere fact that Bill Coburn was selected for the committee alerted me that something was terribly fishy. He is weak, and poorly qualified. A follower who serves his masters.

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    1. Lived in a property owned by his father in law for years. That is not what men do.

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    2. I loved it when his sister, also on the committee, stated that LASD would answer calls from Temple City and not from the Sierra Madre police station. Showed that Rosemary Burnett, as a member of the committee, hadn't read the LASD proposal. Boy, here face should have been red.

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    3. Don't make fun of Bill. He has a very successful record as Exec Director of the SM Chamber of Commerce. Oh, wait.

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    4. Was it Bill's bright idea to bring food trucks into SM to compete with the local restaurants?

      jeez

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  31. If the L.A.C.Sheriffs Department was in charge when that local Pervert came back from Canada they would make sure this perv was made to feel extra special with them and face more questions than carters got pills Not welcomed back by the SMPD and the city attorney.

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  32. Just a guy with no fancy letters behind his nameNovember 2, 2015 at 3:22 PM

    It really is a shame that, yet again, the town is being torn in two over an issue - especially since this one is a no brainier.

    Our police force is fine, but we are a low crime town with no special police needs. We can secure 22% more patrol hours for 20% less money -$800k annually - by contracting with the Sheriff. We can then spend the savings on upgrading this softball fields (apparently little league too is a controversial group so I will go with the softball girls),senior facilities, and a library upgrade. We can also start to attack our water infrastructure problem.

    this one budget change will cure our budget ills and free up cash to improve our civic life. Support the 20/20 proposal.

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  33. Is the SMPD prepared to match the Sheriff's proposal dollar for dollar?

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    1. (crickets chirp)

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    2. Of course not. What the SMPD wants is for the residents of Sierra Madre to vote for a big tax hike so they can get even more money than they do now. It is about the money you know.

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  34. Support the 20/20 ProposalNovember 2, 2015 at 3:45 PM

    Why would retain the Chief as Public Safety Director?

    Are we contractually bound to do so? If not, this would seem a cost that is neither necessary nor affordable. And when did the town discuss this expenditure since, to this point we have only begun our discussion of this issue?

    Is it a way for Harabedian to put a thumb on the scale to diminish the significant savings that the Sheriff's proposal will deliver to benefit the police union?

    And why would Harabedian and Goss oppose a change that would allow the town to invest in improving the library and other public facilities?

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    1. Good question. Send Johnny H & Gene G emails at firstinitiallastname@cityofsierramadre.com. Be sure to send a BCC to Mr. Tattler at sierramadretattler@gmail.com when you do.

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  35. Dr. Emerson, you are the victim of being used by SMPD. They saw an opportunity for some good press and they took it. You would not be singing there praise if you had suffered there wrath. Over the years many people have suffered under there poorly trained and inexperienced actions. The people I'm talking about are the ones who didn't show up to speak against SMPD but they are the ones who will be voting against them. Also Dr. Emerson, your emotional display did not reflect your Dr. title, threw some of us a curve. May the Force be with your PIG and may you find the truth.

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  36. She's had her 15 mins. of fame. Let's never mention her name again, ok?

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  37. Ok, your right, no more mention. :(

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  38. Dr. Katherine D Emerson, DPA, MSWNovember 3, 2015 at 1:32 AM

    Oh please, continue to shower me with attention as I enjoy the energy and time you dedicate to slandering my name and reputation. It is very humorous that one citizen could have so much power in your small minds.

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  39. Dock, that is no way to be. That is not power demonstrated at city hall but a person fuming about something without having all the facts. Slandering your name, NO, your reputation No, it was all about porky and the police. For those who know the full story the police action made us happy and defending them for how they treated you is understandable. We all live here and are friends, not easy seeing someone you like being off track, please take a deep breath, let it out slow and think relaxed, relaxed. We miss walking by your house and we feel some of your loss. RIP ,, please.

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