Friday, December 18, 2015

More SGVMWD Woe: No Rain Barrel Rebates for Sierra Madre?

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The Metropolitan Water District is offering rain barrel rebates of $75, which basically makes them free. MWD client Pasadena Water and Power is offering rain barrel rebates for $100, which is even more generous. This MWD rebate is available in all of their service areas, which does not include Sierra Madre.

That is unfortunate because with El Nino on the way, and water in ridiculously short supply here, such a thing would be very useful. Good for conservation as well. And, as the gentleman in the picture is happily showing us, quite stylish if you happen to be down on your luck. Shoulder strap optional.

Locally we have the San Gabriel Valley Municipal Water District, which has been supplying Sierra Madre with all of that controversial chloramine enriched stuff that has apparently been playing a role in the rupturing of so many of the Water Department's timeworn pipes. Something we have heard so much about over the last couple of years.

But the SGVMWD is offering no rebates on rain barrels. Not a farthing's worth. Here is how the MWD describes its rain barrel rebates (link).


Sounds pretty good, right? And there are other water districts that are doing this as well. Even Azusa Light & Water has something going on with rain barrel rebates (link).


So here is the catch. Our man Tom Love and the SGVMWD isn’t offering any of these rain barrel rebates, even though practically everyone else is. Pretty much the only water district around that isn't doing so. Which, given that this is the Christmas season, is kind of Scrooge-ish if you think about it. And given that we are now about to receive the first truly significant rains in quite some time, rather shortsighted as well.

C'mon Tom! Cough up some rain barrel rebates, will you?

A short water district primer

Ever wonder what the difference between the MWD and the SGVMWD might be? I'll take a stab at that for you.

Sierra Madre is sort of a member of the SGVMWD, but the SGVMWD is not a member agency of the MWD. So the MWD won't even talk to Sierra Madre. Here is a reader comment that spells out some recent consequences of that one.


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So you know, Pasadena is a member of the MWD. Arcadia is a member of the upper San Gabriel Water District, which is a member agency of the MWD. In the distant past some shortsighted cities refused to be part of MWD because they didn't want to share in the cost of construction. Those cities are kind of screwed now. Even San Marino is a member of MWD. The knuckleheads in charge way back then that didn't want to pay for any utility construction are Alhambra, Azusa, Monterey Park and, of course, Sierra Madre.

However, even Azusa got their hands on some rain barrel rebates. So go figure. Just don't go asking for one here. Our guy Tom Love and his SGVMWD just are not that into it. Meaning all of that water pouring off your roof this winter will just flow on out of your gutter pipes and out to sea.

Today's "No UUT" petition update

Here is the latest e-mail from Earl Richey:

We're still a little short. We do not want the Registrar's Office to deny us the right to vote for the second time (verification of signatures is only an opinion). We will be at Kersting Court from 4:30 to 5:00 on Saturday. In addition happy gatherers will be knocking on doors and getting more signatures on that day from 12:30 to 5pm. That will be the last day we'll be gathering signatures.

Has anybody heard how the Police Department union effort to get their "Prohibition On Alternative Law Enforcement Service Providers" petition signed is going?

Not a lot of news from that quarter.

Last night's Planning Commission meeting

If you blinked you missed it. The whole thing was over that quick. I blinked and saw none of it. If anyone was a witness to any of that meeting, and anything important happened, let us know.

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42 comments:

  1. Is there a contact number so as to sign the no UUT petition? Don't know if I can make it Sat P.M. at Kersting Court.

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    1. If you look up Earl Richey in Sierra Madre on the White Pages, you'll get this:

      626-422-9388
      Verizon Wireless Mobile

      626-355-6055
      Verizon Landline

      626-355-6985
      Verizon Landline

      626-795-6605
      Level 3 Communications Fixed_voip

      626-893-0473
      Verizon Wireless Mobile

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    2. Could someone please clarify this?
      "We will be at Kersting Court from 4:30 to 5:00 on Saturday, and 5 happy gathers will be gathering more signatures on that day from 12.30 to 5pm. That will be the last day we'll be gathering signatures."
      What time Saturday?

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    3. I edited Earl's email and it should make more sense now.

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    4. Thanks MOD .Count us in for 2 more votes.

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  2. I could not view the PC meeting on TV. Was it televised?

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    1. KGEM wasn't showing it by 8:00.

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    2. I wonder why. Long meeting with the City Attorney?

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    3. Hopefully CETT doesn't have the city over a barrel.

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    4. I hope the meeting was short because they handed the architect of the Darling house his walking papers.

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    5. Just going to have to wait for the playback, if there is one. On the KGEM site it still says it's the Live PC, but in two places, it's running the December 3rd meeting.

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    6. The Miramonte house was approved. The pot deal was sent to the city council. Since state law has legalized medicinal marijuana, there is little the planning commission could do to stop it. Especially small scale cultivation for that purpose.

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    7. Thanks 11:18.
      If the house was approved, the plans must have been much improved.

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  3. "Verification of signatures is only an opinion"?
    Wrong.

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    1. How can one circumvent problems at the validation phase? The answer is to know how many good signatures there are prior to submission. That necessitates validation checks by the campaign. A campaign needs to start with a good voter file. To verify signatures as they are collected, a copy of the voter file must be acquired prior to circulation. Voter files are an essential element to quality signature collection for any official signature campaign.

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    2. That is the theory. In practice things are quite different. On both sides.

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    3. Best way to over validation challenges is to submit a boatload of signatures. When there's a TON of signatures, I bet the County isn't so diligent because they know even if they throw out a lot there will still be enough.

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    4. The rules are very simple, and the county cannot ignore them, unless you're a conspiracy theorist. Just make sure everyone who signs is a registered voter in your town.

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    5. Yes. Politicians are people of impeccable honesty and ethics and you'd have to be plumb loco to think otherwise.

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    6. Obviously 11:18 is anxiously awaiting the arrival of Santa.

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    7. 1:26, that is exactly what I meant when I said there were rules in place. All politicians are good, all non-politicians are bad, and residents re helpless victims to the fascist state.
      There's no way you can check that you are getting a registered voter to sign, there's no way you can challenge a thrown-out signature? No and no.

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  4. The water wars have been going on forever in this corner of LA County. First off Lucky Baldwin and Carter got into it and Baldwin said I'll show you and Carter got stuck with the 3 something square miles now known as Sierra Madre and less asscess to the big waterway, Big Santa Anita (we got Bailey Canyon and Little Santa Anita). Then in the 1950's there was a brilliant decision to not hang out with Pasadena for water resources but to hook up with Azusa (!), Alhambra (!) and Monterey Park (!) I think I have these other cities listed correctly. Then add to the mix the Raymond Basin, east and west, with the divide somewhere along Lima, with Sierra Madre sharing a % of the east Raymond Basin with our wells higher up the slope into the "shallow end" of the Pool. We're screwed.

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    1. So we should rewrite history? Or was that just a rant?

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    2. It was helpful historical context for which I am grateful.
      Your contribution is .....?

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    3. If Mr.Love is looking for a way to slightly rehab his tattered image, he might get us the rain barrel rebate? 'Tis the season....
      Yes, I know it is a small thing and very few will actually use the rebate but it would at least seem as if Mr.Love is actually looking after some of our water interests?

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    4. Well. If we had any $$ we could drill a deeper well or two. But we don't, so, oh well.

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    5. Too many non-native-grass lawns in town.

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    6. Why did the post at 8:04 sound like a rant to 8:27. Some people want to dismiss those with knowledge that would help us understand out water plight. Geesh!

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    7. 12:45, it's the Christmas spirit - there is an extraordinary amount of grouchiness out there right now!

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  5. Does anyone know what the last day is for the SMPD union to submit their signatures? It's got to be getting close.

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  6. Tom Love I want the SGVMWD to spend $10,000 on 100 rain barrels to be given away to canyon hippies before January 1 or you will face the wrath of Mayor Goss.

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    1. Considering the ridiculous prices the SGVMWD charges Sierra Madre for water, they're good for it.

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  7. Try this...just your basic trash can with a tight fitting lid (against mosquite larvae intrusion). They stack out of the way when not in use and are a fraction of the cost of the designed rain barrel (fawcett at the bottom for your garden hose). Next step, you need to know how to syphon with a hose and a filter to keep the leaves out of the hose, also accidental additon of oak leave provides enough acidity to keep down the mosquitos (still experimenting with that). Several of us have been doing this over the months and years to stay out of debt to the water department.

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  8. From a SGVMWD newsletter - December 14th Thomas Wong of Monterey Park was elected President of the SGVMWD board. It also announced a rain barrel rebate program which will launch in January. Tom Love was elected vice president.

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    1. Do you have a link to this news?

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    2. http://www.sgvmwd.org/home/index.shtml

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    3. Better late than never.

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  9. I'm sorry, was there a solution in 8:04's post? It must be a secret message.

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    1. I found it to be very informative. I enjoyed that post a lot. Yours? Not as much. Too negative.

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