Sunday, December 6, 2015

SMPD: "Prohibition On Alternative Law Enforcement Service Providers" Petition To Be Circulated

Mod: Yesterday the following public notice appeared in Sierra Madre's adjudicated weekly newspaper, the Mountain Views News. When you couple this with both the raise the UUT and abolish the UUT measures, plus an election for two City Council seats, it is easy to see that this town is in for one of its wildest elections ever.



Link to the Star News article here. This likely Sierra Madre Police Assoc. originated ballot initiative is something The Tattler saw coming a while ago, and to date remains the only news source to have discussed it. A month back in November I posted this:


Mod: Given what was in Saturday's public notice, we will be sticking to that prediction.

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61 comments:

  1. I don't care if it's on the ballot. At an additional cost of over $800,000 a year, a mediocre local Sierra Madre PD is not affordable. Or even a good buy for that matter.

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    1. SMPD motto : "To Sue & Screw" those we serve/

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    2. my confidence in the SMPD went from 10 % to a negative 187% after it had an officer freak out and shoot an unarmed man in the back and that officer be cleared of any wrongdoing and subsequently promoted

      yet how much did Officer Dead Eye Amos cost in in a settlement

      his rear end should have fired and yet he's still racking up overtime to pad CalPERS

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    3. I remember the last time the SMPD had a petition, they stood in front of Starbucks and approached me, I felt the underlying tension that I should sign.

      I'd be afraid that if Dead Eye Amos is out gathering signatures he may shoot me

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  2. Why wouldn't SMPD want to convert to Sheriff? That'd be one hell of a pay increase from a dept. that says its so overworked and underpaid.

    What am I missing?

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    1. a pesky little detail such as "being qualified"

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  3. Does Stephanie Coyne still work for the city?

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    1. I don't think so. My understanding is she works for a private security company now. This vintage SierraMadreNews.net article identifies her as a "desk officer." http://www.sierramadrenews.net/city/smpd.htm

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    2. Any idea how much Stephanie's lawsuit cost us?

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  4. Sounds like we are being held up at Gun point.
    Can City Council vote to hire Sheriff and be done with this Union and it's bad characters?
    Did not Elaine hire Diaz? Another fine example of her managerail skills, she needs to be gone!

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  5. In all the many years I have been involved in law enforcement I have never run across anything this outlandish. That town better look up and see the light. Merriam-Webster says : very strange or unusual : extremely different from what is normal or expected, look up the full definition. "DON'T FORGET TO VOTE"

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  6. If this isn't the main reason to get rid of this kind of attitude I don't know what would be. How many police departments have done this, sounds like job security for those who don't qualify anywhere else.

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    1. being an police officer in SM is sooooooooooo scary and dangerous.....

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  7. Wake up Sierra Madre voters your living in a Police State, who is running the show the voters or the SMPD there must be more skeletons in the closet that the SMPD wants to keep buried, vote the bums out ASAP.

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  8. Wasn't going to vote for a no UUT tax but now I am, where do I sign.

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  9. It won't leave the City of Sierra Madre in a very good bargaining position in any negotiations with the SMPD's union. They'd become like Elliot Ness's Untouchables.

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    1. Excellent point, 7:11. The city would lose any bargaining power it now has and the PD and it's Union would rule the roost. That does not seem very prudent and it is very bad economic policy.

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  10. We need full disclosure on our PD. I suppose our city attorney is supporting this also. Attorneys could be afraid of the big bad wolf, who knows.

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    1. Be interesting to see where Harabedian and Goss come down on this one.

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    2. Even when they say you won't know.

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  11. Watch this blow up in their faces.

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    1. True. Like I am supposed to vote myself a tax hike to benefit the cops while on the same ballot a former SMPD officer that sued the city is trying to tie the city's hands on safety services. Good luck with that.

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    2. I wonder why Diaz sent an officer to go along with Coyne to visit her doctor. Concerned about her condition maybe?

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    3. better watch out, our PD has been known to shoot in the back

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  12. This police department is not a stranger to underhanded tactics at the expense of the residents. Don't forget that the Sierra Madre Police Association's lawyer was the notorious law firm of Lackie & Dammeier. They were the worst of the worst and well known for their dirty tactics including accusing the City of San Gabriel of "Bell-like" corruption in order to gain leverage in their negotiations with that City. The fact that our local police department union hired that law firm as their attorney speaks volumes. It wasn't that long ago that this town was in a mess because of its police department. Just copy and paste this link: http://www.pasadenastarnews.com/general-news/20090823/sierra-madres-tiny-police-department-leads-many-others-in-pending-lawsuits It will bring back some very unhappy memories. I don't ever give money any more to police associations any more because it will be used against me as a resident. All they care about is their salaries, benefits and pensions. If you talk to any police officer about that, they know this stuff inside and out. We really have to watch out for which city council candidates get their backing because you can be assured that candidate once in office will do their bidding in any contract negotiations with the city. I'm not saying here to jettison our local police force. But if they try the same underhanded tactics they have used in the past, then it will leave us no choice but to outsource our police force.

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  13. Feels like they are shooting us in the back. Oh, I get it, shoot us in the back and get a promotion.

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  14. Can't we just give them some potato salad and call it a day?

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  15. Tattler article got listed on the Pension Tsunami website this morning.
    CalPERS Rate Increases Up for Discussion at Tuesday Evening's Sierra Madre City Council Meeting (Sierra Madre Tattler)
    http://www.pensiontsunami.com

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    1. Really Folks, after this how could a reasonable person not be praying for the Sheriffs to rescue us?

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    2. It would be nice to have real professionals in town.

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    3. Do you all think the Sheriffs are going to work for free? Do you think they will not ever raise their rates? I do not support the petition to tie the hands of the council, I think they should do what is best for the city and if it means going to the sheriff's department, then so be it. But some of you are wishful thinking if you think the city can run without a UUT.

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  16. It's such easy work to be a cop in this little town.
    Hard to understand how they got so hostile.

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    1. Money. They want to retire in the 50s and get paid a lot of money to do it. Nothing they won't do to get that, either.

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    2. They don't usually retire at 50 in the traditional sense, i.e. no longer working. What happens is they retire from the current job, collect CalPERS retirement benefits, and also work elsewhere, preferably a department that has a different retirement system from which they can also retire.

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    3. Kind of like Diaz did?

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    4. That oughta make someTattler heads explode!

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    5. Tattler head still in one pieceDecember 6, 2015 at 10:55 AM

      Or Giannone will. For old cops Sierra Madre is where they go to get their cupcakes frosted.

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  17. The whole CC had to know this was coming. None of these so-called officers would be eligible for hire by the Sheriff. Who are they kidding? I was at the meeting led by Lambden and the group of townies that trashed the Sheriff Dept. What an embarrasment! There were more police in that room than I have ever seen on the street! I heard several of them make the remark that they would just retire if the PD shut down. Why not with their pensions! Unfortunately I believe there are many in this city who will sign their petition. They are as uninformed as the people at Lambden's farce!

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    1. Lambin is an embarrassment all to himself

      reeks of cow methane

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  18. The UUT tax Petition is available to be signed. Please call TEAPAC in Pasadena for further details.

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    1. So make sure you (re) sign the UUT petition and refuse to sign the police vote petition. The UUT petition serves the citizen taxpayers and the police petition serves only the "men in blue" and their pocketbooks.

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    2. There are lots of dumb bunnies in town that will sign the cop petition.

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  19. 7;33 is right on.

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  20. Which Sierra Madre residents signed the initial petition?

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  21. Lets face the facts,
    the taxpayers, the city residences fund this city,
    and the city council and city manager have done a terrible job miss spending the taxpayers hard earned monies,
    its all about the cities employees wages, salaries, pensions, and Mercedes health plans.
    Maybe the police dept, the fire dept and the city employees need to take a hard look at reducing those salaries, pensions, Mercedes health plans.
    there are always alternatives, the city of Sierra Madre can file BK and the judge has the ability to reduce & discharge all city debt, including pensions by 50% or greater,
    just because the city council and city manager continues to miss manage the tax payers monies it should not give the police dept, the fire dept and city employees the right to get in line and abuse the taxpayers pocket books also.
    Our city management has shown that is incompetent to run this city, and now all the residents have the right to enforce change!
    Lets get it right this time!

    If the city manager, the city council, or the police chief or fire captain would like to comment, please do so and state your names so we can identify you with a response!

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  22. I understand that several police officers are leaving or have left the SMPD. It is likely that some time soon the LASD will be assisting with patrol services. The CC approved the assessment of SMPD station inventory by LASD, but the CC did not approve the assessment of the SMPD personnel. Sierra Madre will be experience many changes.

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  23. Elaine, your cell phone is ringing, we are awaiting a written response!

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    1. Which side is city staff on? The cops and their petition, or the residents?

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    2. The cops. C'mon.

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  24. Bruce , we are awaiting your response also. We are always interested to see when you will correct our valuable water problems and remove the LEAD from our city drinking water supply?

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  25. Larry, our police chief. We are also awaiting a reply also from you also,.

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    1. he's on track with the Sheriff's office to remain on staff at SM for over a hundred thousand a year to be basically a school crossing guard

      fire him also

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  26. Mr mayor, you have access to all city books. City income and expenses, why have you continued down a path to no return? We await your reply also,

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  27. Mr mayor, in all my watching of city council meetings. I do not rember one time why you voted NO on any issue. Could you please explain why you always vote yes?

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  28. wait - this is a petition to prohibit us from even voting?

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  29. Let me help with spelling " remember "

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  30. Like I said, who the heck is in charge in Sierra Madre? Once again the servants are in the process of revolting against the tax payers! P.S. please check and see what country and time period we are living in?

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  31. The proposed petition alleges that "officers from a contract agency do not have the same understanding of community concerns and issues". In what way does SMPD feel their officers are doing a better job. Perhaps, the SMPD should disclose how many of its officers actually live in the community, how many of its officers have their children in local schools and sports, how many of its officers are active members of church or civic groups. What about how many Volunteer hours SMPD officers have contributed to the community this year. How can the SMPD say their officers have a better understanding of community issues when a great part of their time seems to be spent behind the wheel of a patrol car instead of actually doing community activities. At a minimum, get out and walk the sidewalk and talk with the community.

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    1. They don't live here. They're commuters. What a bunch of doo hee they're talking.

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    2. Yea, especially since a lot of the PD in town are LAPD on overtime pay. They don't know the community either.

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    3. lol "volunteer" hours from our PD

      nothing but overtime

      I'll avoid the petition but vote NO on the UUT and YES on the Sheriff's

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