Wednesday, December 2, 2015

October Water Conservation Numbers: Do You Really Think It Is All About Leaking Pipes In Sierra Madre?

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There are a lot of local cities on the list for October. Pasadena, Arcadia and Monrovia are right in there with Sierra Madre. I mean, it could be worse. Just look at Perris.

But this has got to be making the city leadership here just a little bit nervous. The penalties are substantial. In September $61,000 fines were laid on Beverly Hills, Indio, Redlands and the Coachella Valley Water District. So it is no laughing matter. Money is hard enough to come by as it is without having to pay out such a large and unplanned for expenses.

So far no local cities, including Sierra Madre, have been hit with any fines from Jerry Brown. We'll just have to wait and see if that luck holds.

Here is how the Pasadena Star News shared these numbers with us (link).


So this is my question. Since City Hall has yet to cough up any numbers linked to the amounts of water being lost here due to all of those pipe leaks, are we to assume that Sierra Madre's 3rd consecutive month of inadequate water conservation actually is due to collapsing water infrastructure? Is there any compelling evidence that it is not?

It would be easier to tell if this information was actually being shared.

The California Planning & Development Report Defends Name-Calling


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38 comments:

  1. Isn't it time that City Hall began sharing some history with the residents? After all, its not like they don't keep asking more for water. How exactly did things get this bad? Why are the water mains so decrepit and leaky? Didn't anyone see that coming? Why all the debt? These things didn't just happen overnight. People always say selling the water company would be a bad thing. Maybe they're right. But how much worse could it be than what we have now?

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  2. Yes it's the infrastructure leaks. Driven up chapparel lately? On another note, seems the city staff is preparing their onslaught of pro UUT info to soon arrive in our mailboxes. More propaganda to scare people. Never tell you that this money will never see to repairs around the city. They love to refer to SM as a full service city. I thought that would mean, good water, safe sidewalks, no metal squares in the street. They even have the nerve to take credit for all the work that Preserve group worked hard to force the CC to comply with. But there are people out there who will believe their propaganda. This city is doomed.

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    1. Has anyone asked you to stay in the doomed city? Don't let the door hit on on the way out. I hear Riverside is nice.

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    2. Not everyone is a quitter, 7:36. Try and develop some backbone why don't you.

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    3. Yes let's invent a common enemy to fight. Oh wait we would be fighting ourselves or this "they" you keep blaming for everything that doesn't pan out as you think it should. We are the city. I need to develop some backbone to whine. The preserve group has done nothing but put on a horse and pony show for the villagers.
      Although Bryant has pick up some nice listings.

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    4. You seem bitter. Maybe Riverside isn't for you. Have you tried Arcadia?

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    5. 7:59, ridiculous post.
      Actually, not worth the time and energy to refute.

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    6. I own commercial properties in Arcadia,they've done quite well over the last 30 years. Thank You

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    7. And that justifies your hostility to a community that practices preservation? Please explain.

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    8. My hostility is aimed towards you folk that just complain and blame the people that we hired to fix your problems instead of taking charge of your lives and making things better. Stating that Sierra Madre is "doomed" is being hostile to my community. We do not need grumpy old privileged persons predicting doom because old pipes haven't been repaired.

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    9. So holding the feet of a local government to the fire is not the way to go? What method do you recommend, Mr. Landlord? Torches and pitchforks?

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    10. 8:25/8:07 (the second)/7:59/6:02 is just a troll.

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    11. We really do need a better class of trolls.

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    12. I'm going to vote "YES" on the UUT repeal. It's the only way the City Council will finally focus on permanent solutions and not waste our money.

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    13. 7:59A you are just the type I was talking about! Do you have any idea what debt the city is in? Do you know how much it will cost to fix the pipes? Do you know how much CalPers costs the city? You don't care, right? Are you the one at the CC meeting who offered to write a $250.00 check if the city needed help? Sorry folks, but the way it's going, with the CC that we have and the staff that direct them, we are doomed. Do I love the city? Yes! Am I realistic? The staff and the CC are the "they" I'm talking about.

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    14. Yes,a lot,no,wrong,no. Thanks for speaking for me. Are you realistic? I don't think so.

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    15. a lotta whine and cheese being served this morning

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    16. It's okay for you to speak for me? So typical!

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    17. 10:25 - a lot of stupid name calling, too. Are you feeling dyspeptic or something?

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    18. Maybe he has gas.

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  3. All City Hall cares about is the CalPERS tax. That is their top priority.

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  4. How much water is being lost each month to main leaks?

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    1. Your guess is as good as anybody's. Maybe the City will pay a consultant to study that. Maybe we should have a classroom of kindergarten kids all write down a % number on paper and have Bruce I. pick one out of the hat, kind of like an estimation jar where everyone gets a guess.

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    2. How about a community lottery? Everyone gets to buy a $10 ticket and make their guess. With the money raised designated for pipe purchases. The winner gets a free lunch with city staff.

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    3. 6:45 - Have you asked Dr. Baribeau?

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    4. Don't ask Dr. B, she'll want an additional stipend to answer the question.

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  5. Anyone know what the annual total Calpers cost is? There is no one line item in the budget to tell this. How do you figure out the Calpers cost?

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    1. That number will be in the audit if they ever get around to doing it. Remember staff is so over worked. The audit should have been released in October at the latest. Guess they don't want the CalPers numbers released before the UUT vote. Those numbers will surely harpoon the UUT. People would finally know where the money is going.

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  6. The city does not want us to know the Calpers cost. They buried the $300,000 unfunded payment to Calpers in the budget.

    I dare anyone to try and figure out what expense account or accounts that payment when into. Determining the total Calpers cost should be a Tattler Project.

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    1. Probably take a lawyer to get that. Though didn't Councilmember Delmar put that on the agenda for next week's City Council meeting?

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    2. Transparency. Very important.

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  7. Letter to the editor. Did Sierra madre residents every think that a Class Action Law Suit should be filed against mwd and city hall for supplying bad water abd city hall selling that water. The MWD water is eating holes in all Sierra madre watr pipes from the inside out. How stupid can the water paying customers be. I personal spent $6500 + of my money over the last 24 months to replace holes in my pipes and hot water heaters. how much has city hall and other city residents spent over the past 24 months?

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    1. Yes by all means lets sue ourselves,great way for lawyers to make money.

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    2. I agree. Any lawsuit would come out of our pockets.

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  8. Boys, we're squabbling among ourselves.
    Bruce estimated roughly 1/3 of the water is wasted in leaks but brightly added that the waste does recharge the aquifer !
    The point isn't that Bruce has no clue how much is wasted. Neither he nor Chimino care.Talk to them. Wear down their sneering 'professional' attitude to the public. You will discover utter contempt for the residents and the community. And that dear readers is the problem.The employees in charge just do not care.And the CC must be aware of this but does nothing -year after year.
    This much neglect for so long and all the debt eventually and inevitably have a consequence ........and it won't be pretty.

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    1. What is wrong with squabbling? Is it a micro-aggression? Great post, though. Credit where credit is due.

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  9. As Rome burns those in City Hall play their fiddles even louder to drown out the cry's for their impeachment and removal.

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    1. They always have an excuse, don't they?

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