Wednesday, January 6, 2016

Sierra Madre Falls Short Of Its Water Conservation Target Again - This Time By 12%


Sierra Madre has yet to get a handle on the amount of water it uses, and nobody can really tell us why that might be. Or at least I have yet to hear anything definitive. Though there are theories.

There are those mythical "Dirty 30," water use abusers, people who have been cited by the Mayor and other city officials for much of the town's woes (link). But as of this date none have been identified. Nor has the proposed meeting between the city and its worst water use offenders ever taken place.

Courtesy of an article published in today's edition of the Pasadena Star News ("Californians cut water use by 20.3 percent in November, still within overall target goal" - link), here is the list of area cities failing to achieve their Sacramento mandated water use goals for this past November:


You have perhaps noticed that Sierra Madre's shortfall of 12% is the second largest numerical percentage in that bunch. It is believed by some in town that the cause for this anomalous number is due to the large amounts of water being lost to leakage from all of those old pipes and infrastructure the Sierra Madre Water Department operates. But so far nobody has been able to get any figures from the city to back that theory up.

Here is how Bruce Inman describes the reasons for such water use accountancy problems in a December 27 Star News article titled "How Sierra Madre’s water issues went from bad to worse due to the drought" (link):


So there you have it. Sierra Madre is repeatedly among those cities that cannot meet its state mandated water use goals, yet the head of the city's Water Department cannot "quantify" a quite possible reason for this due to a billing procedure.


The state fine for cities failing to hit their goal is $61,000. So yes, of course we are. 

The Dirty 30 meeting that never took place

For the record, this article ("Sierra Madre to call in top 30 water users; other cities concerned about meeting targets" - link) ran in our local dailies last October 30th. Here is part of what it said:


Like I said above, it is now more than two months later and that meeting has never taken place. Maybe it is because the city cannot tell for certain if these "top 30 water users" are actually responsible for the problem? 

Or, perhaps, there are no longer 30 offenders?

We'll see if we can't get you some answers.

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46 comments:

  1. It's hard to accept that the City themselves may be the culprit; the top dirty 30. But of course there are no meters to prove that right? I assume they'd have to take the total the City received and subtract out all the metered volumes and say they the City are causing the difference. No wonder there is a delay in calling them out.

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  2. While this new information is not unexpected, and will lead to a few days of lip flapping blabbity-blabbing, nothing again will come of it. All the while the uninformed are secreting hoping El Nino is going to "make the drought go away" which of course about May 2016 after the rains have passed and the amount of water dropped by mother nature is assessed, we'll likely have to acknowledge that El Nino is not likely to carry us through for another 10 years w/o rain. So turn off your sprinklers today and do your part, will you?

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  3. This could be the 4th month in a row where the mayor tells the press and public that he is "serious about hitting that number."

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    1. In his defense John's statements have probably been based on what city staff has been telling him. Hopefully he has now wised up.

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    2. Doesn't John have a brain?

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    3. Overdependence on the opinions of city staff can lead to embarassment. Especially with water issues.

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    4. Sadly John goes to Elaine for advice ,not those who elected him.
      Harabedian seems to go to his political masters who are grooming him for higher office.
      Goss hears voices!
      Thank goodness for the two ladies who put the 'men' to shame.

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    5. Heya! I know this is kind of off-topic but I needed to ask. Does running a well-established blog such as yours take a lot of work? I'm completely new how to landing page operating a blog but I do write in my journal every day. I'd like to start a blog so I will be able to share my experience and views online. Please let me know if you have any kind of suggestions or tips for brand new aspiring blog owners. Appreciate it!

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    6. First step would be to get a mental health evaluation. If you fail that, then you have met the first and most important criteria for being a successful blogger.

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  4. This last week is the fourth time in 3 years we have had the plumbers out to unclog our drainage system. Seems we have cut back too much the amount of water used, thus plugging up the system. With these new low flush toilets to save water we are now going to need to flush twice to clear the system. Wish we had kept the old ones.

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    1. Ditto. We now have to use no toilet paper and flush multiple times...plumber said its the low flush toilets.

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    2. Evey part of the sewer pipes in your home needs to be perfect for the low-flush toilet to flush. The older 1.6 gallon models are being replaced by 1.28 gallon - even worse ! So the solution is to check every bend,every slope ,every connector for optimum angles and slope. In the old days it did not matter so much and sub-optimal systems still flushed - not now.
      The rim jets on older toilets get partially plugged by minerals - ream with coat-hanger wire.
      Badly designed toilets have a small trap ,unglazed trap ,small flush valve and leaky fill valve. The quick study is to buy a Toto Drake dual flush 1.6g/flush (or equivalent). If this is confusing to your plumber -he is the problem !
      Use TP designed for RV's & septic systems- it disintegrates faster(Costco).
      Yes ,this could cost 4 figures to resolve.

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    3. We have the Toto low flush toilets and have had a problem with back-ups. Plumber agrees we are not flushing enough,even though we use the camp tp. Can't win.

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  5. You gotta love our city council, city manager and public works director! The Question Remains, did city hall reduce all 39 city water meters us age by 30%, the answer is No.WHY, because the taxpayer pays for all city watr use age! solution, we either need to get more stupid taxpayers or smarter city hall employees!

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  6. Please use toilet paper.

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  7. don't those leaks recharge the ground water, just like Bruce is doing at the spreading grounds?

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    1. One of the great myths of our time. Most spilled water just dries up.

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    2. Not a myth.The leaking water is at least 4 feet underground at the point of leakage. It helps water the street trees. Ditto the leaking sewer mains that are never discussed.

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    3. Yeah, but it doesn't "recharge" anything. If it waters some tree roots, fine. But considering what we are paying the SGVMWD for their water I am not sure it is the best use.

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  8. If the mayor really wants to address city water abusers and non payers .... Why has n,t the mayor started with all 39 city water meters? Evidentially its not a problem!!!!! Just more bs

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  9. The Skyland water main replacement is a bargain - about the same as 2 Librarians!

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    1. We do local politics here. Ok?

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    2. Thanks Mod.
      The lead in the water is a problem that in other Cities has brought the 'leaders' down. In a very similar situation to ours, this link shows how it can play out:
      http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/01/06/michigan-governor-declares-state-emergency-in-flint-over-water-problems.html?intcmp=hplnws

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    3. Just when you thought things couldn't get worse. Can we get copies of Dr. Baribeau's final report do you think? Isn't that where our lead problem was first revealed?

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    4. We don't have a lead problem and it was first revealed over 40 years ago.

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    5. What was first revealed 40 years ago? The lead problem we don't have?

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    6. Yes.It's your problem from the piping in your home not mine or the cities .

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  11. Bruce needs to be fired. He has beef in charge for over twenty years. He is and never was qualified for the job. In private industry he would have been sacked years ago.

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    1. yeah and we'll be paying his pension for the rest of his life

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    2. government worker, they don't have to perform or produce, no layoffs, fat pay check and retirement, what's not to like! Bruce and Elaine are no dummies, WE the tax payers are!

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  12. Our city manager needs to fire the entire city council for failure of doing their jobs.

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  13. Re city Mgr... Your right, our city manager has no wayvoses and neither does gene, Jon or the other John!

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    1. What is this wayvoses those folks lack?

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    2. I think this person means something dangling between the legs

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    3. 9:36 re City manager. You've got it all wrong. The City Council needs to fire the City Manager. Recently it was rumored that a city manager review would be done in closed session without Elaine present. Mayor Capoccia ignored that and continues to drag his feet. He sets the agenda. So why is the mayor refusing to do this?

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  14. Next round in the airborne water recharge process is coming in.
    http://forecast.weather.gov/showsigwx.php?warnzone=CAZ548&warncounty=CAC037&firewxzone=CAZ548&local_place1=Sierra%20Madre%20CA&product1=Flash+Flood+Watch&lat=34.163&lon=-118.0495#.Vo1aGoRlnVq

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  15. Spilled water just dries up? Huh? It goes into the atmospher and we get to use it somewhere else, some other time. All the water we have on earth today is all the water we have ever had. Water is never "lost." We just don't get to use it where we want it, when we want it. Our drought vs El Niño vs "normal" will someday get our attention and we can be better about water usage. Maybe now?

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    1. "Drying up" is the way water enters the atmosphere. Water exists in 3 forms. Gas, liquid and ice, or frozen. Here is a website that can explain that to you.
      https://www.fcwa.org/story_of_water/html/3forms.htm

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    2. Tex Ritter /traditionalJanuary 6, 2016 at 1:05 PM

      Water is overrated as a beverage. If the ocean was rye whisky and I was a duck I'd swim to the bottom and drink it all up!

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  16. Aw, Mr. Science, 11:09 was referring to 8:23 who wrote: "...One of the great myths of our time. Most spilled water just dries up."

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  17. Everyone should just get a stillsuit and stop worrying about water.

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    1. I get it! I get it! Thanks.

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    2. Quite a wellspring of excitement, 9:16. Try to hold your water!

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    3. Don't be such a drip.

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