Friday, January 22, 2016

SMPD Exodus: Will The City Council Agree To Contract With Arcadia's Police Department For Night Patrols?


"Amazing. Everybody stand back and watch. The SMPD is firing itself." - Reader comment @ 5:57 AM

Mod: I am going to post this City Council agenda report in its entirety because I think you are going to want to read it all. Apparently Sierra Madre Police Department members are now abandoning the force in such large numbers that there is no longer a sufficient supply of officers available to patrol the city's streets at night. Because of this development City Hall has been forced to discuss with the City of Arcadia the possibility of their officers patrolling Sierra Madre's streets during those very late evening hours when the SMPD no longer has sufficient numbers to get the job done themselves. It is a pretty remarkable situation for this city to be in. It might also make you wonder what kind of future the SMPD has in this town. If the city can no longer find officers willing to work here in the numbers required, and now has to contract out elsewhere to make up for that loss, has the time to bring in the LA Sheriff's Department already arrived?


Mod: To view this report on the City of Sierra Madre website, click here.


sierramadretattler.blogspot.com

120 comments:

  1. Let's pretend the $1 million/year uut tax increase passes. The police union lawyer will immediately demand the union's "fair share" of the pie.. Sitting across the table from the union lawyer will be (I) john Harabedian who will owe the union "thanks" for its endOrsement and hand shake post card, and (ii) Mayor John faced with this staffing "crisis." How do you think that negotiation is going to go?

    Once the two John's have handed the union the $1 million uut tax increase we will be right where we are now: With no money for parks, seniors or the library. The only way to free up funds for these civic improvements is to tackle the city's 47% police spend by accepting the sheriff's 20/20 proposal and the $800k of annual savings it offers or getting smpd to match it. That will only happen if the 66% uut tax increase is defeated.

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    1. What a fairy tale.

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    2. Bring your sparkle wand.

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  2. The money quote: "recruitment efforts have been difficult for some time due to the city's lower salaries."

    Bye bye $1 million uut tax increase!

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    1. this reeks of cow methane cause the city manager and the PD Chief claim hundreds of overtime hours on it's payroll yet they can't patrol 24/7.

      what a lazy PD we have - even more reason to replace them with a lower cost, more patrol 24/7 solution, not whiny excuses and blah blah blah

      why not contract out the rest of the way with Arcadia?

      typical half ass try by the city to fix something but then again this is the same city manager who had to claimed to use 700 staff hours to plan the Mt Wilson Trail Race

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    2. Don't forget the 4th of July parade.

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  3. How interesting. The " we must keep the SMPD at any cost" crowd is lamenting and wailing about the "love" they have for the local police. With all the police officers bailing out, it sure doesn't seem as if they return the affection. Not much of a relation, that. Might as well sign up with the Sheriff's dept.

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    1. Rule #1: It is always about the money.

      Rule #2: If you do not think it is about the money, re-read Rule #1.

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    2. I think there is more to this story. Sierra Madre is a pretty cushy job. After all, its not like you are working South Central and putting your life on the line every day. Two things may be happening. One, they know we are on to the unions. Union tactics have been revealed for what they are and people ain't buying it any more. So maybe they can get more money elsewhere from corrupt city councils that haven't figured out how the police union works. Or it good be a loss in morale caused not by inferior salaries, but maybe bad leadership from the police chief or city manager. That's my take. Look,I don't care how low the salaries are (but they aren't), there will still be a line of people waiting to fill risk-free jobs in Mayberry.

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    3. This is crap. Mayberry or Bell Gardens, officers are putting their life on the line for us. Very dissapointed this blog did not find a candidate to run.

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    4. Yep. The only thing running in Sierra Madre is the SMPD.

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    5. "Mayberry or Bell Gardens, officers are putting their life on the line for us. "
      What ? In Sierra Madre ? This must be the safest place to be a Cop.

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    6. I'm sort of tired of the "putting their life on the line" for us. PD officers sign up for the risk, I'd rather see them get paid a double salary but have to save for their retirement instead of bilking us for overtime

      the SMPD should investigate itself for fraud cause it makes zero sense to have all that overtime and staff hours and still only be able to cover 1/2 a day.

      that's what we've been paying for all along. - 1/2 effort with 100% attitude

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    7. What is not being said here is there are plenty of other safe/cushy Mayberry's that pay much better in the region.

      San Marino, So Pas, La Verne, Glendora, Brea, Los Alamitos, Cypress, Palos Verdes Estates...and I can go on,, got my point?

      I do agree that retirement and benefits are ridiculous,,since most agencies retire at 3 percent salary for each year served at retirment age of 50,, and it goes up over that age in percentage. The city managers and council members are to blame,, not the union. The unions just were engaging in Capitalism 101 and the cities took the bait.

      Thank god the county said no,, when deputies and Fire asked for the same. You haven't heard the BOS crying about the same.

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  4. Why Arcadia? Why not the LASD?

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    1. There you go, being all reasonable and logical again.

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    2. That would be the most cost effective decision. That is why the City Council fights it.

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  5. What a remarkable bad idea. You thought SMPD was bad? APD is the most arrogant cops around. Please fire Elaine before someone gets hurt by her decision.

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    1. the best solution for the residents are the Sheriff's Dept. save $ 800K, get rid of the city funded pensions, more patrols and more stringent hiring standards

      I'm lost on why the City Manager struggles with this decision

      but then again I could only spend 40 hours on the Mt Wilson Trail Race for the city but it took Elaine 700 staff hours

      just pointing out that once someone takes 700 staff hours on a same old same old process, I will assume what's being sold as the UUT is just more horse poop being thrown at us

      if the City Council is serious about representing residents, they'll figure out how to get us out of the Calpers system and have our big shot law firm sue Calpers but our law firm works on behalf of the process not solutions

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  6. Amazing. Everybody stand back and watch. The SMPD is firing itself.

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    1. Best comment ever!

      Where do ALL CAPS GUY and the lead water dude stand on this?

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    2. We need to hear from the Pig Lady.

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    3. I wish The Eagle were here.

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    4. What can you do?

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    5. I can't understand how the PD jacks us with overtime yet can't cover a 3 hour window?

      be interesting the PD payroll was audited for documentation of overtime wages, what, where, when, why? because not being able to cover the city 24/7 while we have hundreds of PD overtime being paid for what?

      to pad their Calpers retirement, that's why.

      this isn't about attracting new recruits, it's about the pension plan they have and the private sector does not

      if Calpers is such a great pension plan, why not offer it to the private sector?

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  7. "In addition, there are several part-time employees who compliment the full time staff."

    I assume she meant to write "complement", but it's probably an accurate statement either way.

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    1. I am not sure. A lot of city employees are hired based on their ability to say nice things to their superiors.

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  8. So the LASD won't know the neighborhoods and the city's people, but the Arcadia PD will? Where are the loud mouthed Sheriff haters this morning? This demands an explanation.

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  9. WHO SAYS WE DON'T NEED THE SHERIFF

    At the Tuesday, January 26, 2016, City Council meeting, the City Council will review an agreement for the City of Arcadia to temporarily provide police patrol services, seven days a week between the hours of 6:00PM and 6:00AM beginning Sunday, February 7, 2016. Staffing levels within the Sierra Madre Police Department (SMPD) have reached a level where there are insufficient personnel to provide safe and reliable police services twenty-four hours a day, seven days a week.

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    1. yet they (SMPD) are racking up overtime yet they can't cover the city for half the day?

      BS

      somebody needs to explain the logic cause it sounds like bad business gibberish

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  10. Arcadia Police are good.
    I guess we are on our own until Feb 7th
    IF approved by Arcadia CC.
    More than a couple of weeks without night protection?
    Better lock and load Sierra Madre .

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    1. This is how much the SMPD cares for the community. They desert and leave the town helpless. The burglars that plague this town must be gassing up their stolen cars this morning and heading up Baldwin.

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    2. Or maybe you have cops leaving cause they are the lowest paid around in a city of taxpayers that can afford to, but refuse to pay them what they can make anywhere else. The difference is not a little, it's a lot.

      Loyalty is a two-way street. SM is upper middle class, inhabited by those that think they can have it all at Walmart prices.

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  11. Several years ago my husband and I, were stopped, along with our son, about age 4, in the alley behind Ralphs on Foothill in Arcadia. We were in wet bathing suits, towels wrapped around our waists, coming back from swimming at SM pool. We had gone to make a quick stop at the grocery store for some snacks. They kept us under their flashing lights for 30 minutes because the car resembled one in a recent household burglery. Pure stupidity.

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    1. It must have looked good on their reports. The SMPD specializes in going after people they know present no danger to them. If they do present a danger, they call in the Sheriffs.

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    2. yeah but the Arcadia PD didn't shoot you in the back did they?

      a SMPD officer freaked out, shot an unarmed man in the back and gets promoted here

      but I've heard about the family swimsuit gang that have been hitting the banks in the SGV

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    3. but the sheriffs shoot people in the back a lot!

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    4. Yes. But for a lot less money.

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  12. This has always been true 6:36
    Several years ago I called them I'm the middle of the night. ..they never showed up..a new neighbor had a meth lab operating and was drug dealing at all hours of the night.
    No one responded.
    Recently we smelled smoke, tried to call fire department at 6 pm still daylight then...no one answered several calls by neighbors...I finally called the police...they put me on hold for 10 minuets until I finally hung up.

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  13. 6:46 Why do you want to start the day off with a lie? SMPD did not respond to a meth lab call? The fire department didn't respond to several calls by neighbors? You finally called police and they put you on hold 10 minutes? Sounds like you are delusional or a pathological liar.

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    1. It's all true. Meth lab incident was summer of 1992.
      Smoke smell call was summer before last.

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    2. It does seem far fetched.

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    3. Possibly a PD union operative.

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    4. 911 calls always got answered. Fire and medic calls get patched over to Verdugo. You did call 911, didn't you?

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    5. 7:26 I hope this was a learning experience for you never call the local numbers in an emergency call 911.

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    6. No I didn't call 911...we couldn't see fire anywhere so we didn't think it was that big an emergency.
      I just wanted someone to drive over and check.
      I'm the case of the meth lab...that was very bad...we were new to town...I thought the police ..down the street would have come by. They did not...or the dispatcher I spoke to at 3 am...didn't tell them.
      She was let go shortly after that.
      I should have called 911 . My mistake

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    7. summer of 1992 lol

      meth wasn't even happening then

      since I said it on the internet it must be true

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  14. Elaine Aguilar's theory of fiscal responsibility at work. The Sheriffs save money, the Arcadia PD costs more. So hire the Arcadia PD.

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    1. Thanks for the laugh. Good one.

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  15. $40K/month? Not bad. for a 12-hr shift? Why haven't we been doing this all along. That's only $480K/yr. Savings from the current cost in my book.

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    1. and how much is the other 12 hours costing us with the SMPD? they want to easy day shift and then bolt out of town at 6:02 - what will happen is the SMPD will leave town cause none of them live here and we'll be on a Arcadia patrol which means we'll have a big window of no protection - at least with the Sheriff's they'll make us a priority as random and regular patrol

      the SMPD is taking it's ball and going home so nobody can play

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  16. If we can get APD for $40,000. for night shift a month why don't we get them for day shift also for $ 80,000 a month that's under a million a year what a deal?!!

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  17. Stop the madness. Hire the Sheriffs.

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  18. Until this lack of protection at night is solved the HORN should be tooted every night at 5pm to warn the villagers that darkness approaches and to get to a safe place inside.

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    1. Yeah for the horn!!

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    2. Don't go out walking after dark unless you have a concealed carry permit and a loaded handgun.
      It's down to that. Sad

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    3. How come downtown Sierra madre doesn;t have a gun shop? Is there an ordinance preventing that?

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    4. Yeah, even SMPD won't be walking the mean streets of Sierra Madre, after 6 PM. Daylight hours only.

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    5. We now have a community law enforcement curfew.

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  19. The city just posted this. Guess they saw this morning's Tattler.
    http://cityofsierramadre.com/cms/One.aspx?portalId=212393&pageId=2376461

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  20. Would any of you put your lives on the line for a community that doesn't support you? It's no wonder they are leaving.
    Enjoy your lower property values when the crime goes up, because this story is out there for everyone, including criminals to see. Time for Madreans to start locking their doors. You guys don't know how good you had it, and you did this to yourselves.

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    1. You mean to say SMPD members are leaving because their feelings are hurt?

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    2. When anything serious happens in Sierra Madre, the city calls the Sheriffs anyway. Time to make that arrangement permanent.

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    3. The message from the City is clear. We need to raise taxes by $1 million a year so we can give it to the police department and perpetuate a situation in which we get 20% fewer patrol hours for 20% more money. In fact, once the $ 1million UUT increase is handed to the police department the total savings under the sheriff's proposal will rise to $1.8 million a year.

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    4. Absolutely 8:39...thanks

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    5. 8:12, you haven't been locking your doors?

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    6. 8:12 is right. It is all your fault. So there.

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    7. yeah moron, property values are really plummeting in LaCanada and LaCrescenta aren't they?


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    8. Property values are up 13% this year in San Dimas. Sheriffs and LA County Fire. Woot!

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  21. Maybe the SMPD officers are departing in large numbers because they are concerned they will not be hired by the LASD. It makes the most sense for the LASD to come in now and the city can start saving money.

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    1. Plus under the Sheriff contract patrol hours and frequency go up. The SMPD and its CalPERS retirement benefits are just too expensive for a small city of 11,000 people to afford. It is nothing personal, its just numbers.

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    2. LASD will have 20% more patrols for less money. Let's do it.

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    3. I agree. Why should we pay $800,000 more for a PD that will only quit on us?

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    4. Under the Sheriff's proposal we will have two dedicated units in our city at all times - including 6 pm to 6 am. And we will have $800k to devote to parks, seniors and the library.

      Under the SMPD we currently have the city will have no dedicated units from 6 pm to 6 am, and our costs will go up from current levels. Perhaps the City needs to explain why it is so important to keep an independent policy department?

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    5. Time for a change

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    6. I agree. It is time for the city to do the right thing.

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    7. some retire at 48, receive a 90% salary for life as a SMPD city pension and then get a job in security at the mall or racetrack

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    8. Nobody is retiring at 48,,90%.

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  22. As in with the City of Bell, has any outside source audited the books for Sierra Madre? Seems like we have a very rich tax base paying the city. I wonder if this is a job for Steve Lopez at the LA TImes...

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    1. Steve Lopez wrote an amazing column about Sierra Madre back during the DSP days.
      http://articles.latimes.com/2007/apr/01/local/me-lopez1

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    2. Time for Mike Amerio!

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    3. So glad Mike will be there to watch the books.

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    4. Amerio will be a great Treasurer for Sierra Madre!

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  23. Did anyone think about calling mayor co pa co. He seems like a reasonable guy. He tells you that he has all the answers and had proven that he knows how to spend Lots of Money. I heard the mayor over talking at bean town that he wants to raise the UUT taxes up to ,46% so city hall can hire the APD for $280k per cop. Seems like a great idea Jon. The Jons and gene need to move on to Encinitas where moscow lives .

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    1. 9:37, you sure are a one trick pony.

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    2. I think you need your ears cleaned so you can hear better. Capoccia would not be spouting at Bean Town or any other coffee joint in town.

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    3. Where does he spout? At the pool while riding a dolphin?

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    4. You are so lame

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    5. Are you the dolphin?

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    6. What's wrong with coffee shops?

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  24. How will this affect our ability to negotiate our water problems with Arcadia? Seems like they now have Sierra Madre where they want it. Dependent and needy.

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  25. Looks like the SMPD days are numbers like the days on a calendar take another look at contracting with the sheriffs Department ASAP, gone are the golden days of fat retirements with SMPD.

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    1. Gone will be paying gigantic CalPERS assessments for SMPD Platinum Pensions.

      Now, about the Librarian's $140,000+ package...

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  26. Did anyone tell co po co and the city manager that our city needs to get out of the LAW SUIT BUSINESS - The Pension Business ,- The Health & Death Benifit BUSINESS. These expenses are Winning Us!

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  27. This is really good news.

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  28. Calling the ciy manager... The sky is falling... The sky is falling, the taxpayers are paying you $325K a year to provide us with comical answers. O I get it, let's have a SINKO DAYO Party. That $325K is alot of barrittoes!

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  29. Taxation must be the only answer. I believe the taxpayers have been listening to city council to long.

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  30. Sound the horn. Our mayor co po co and first lady city manager heads to give these stupid taxpayers a presidential address. The UUT taxes must go up to 56% now! Everyone must work more overtime. City hall needs the money. Give me a break.... Greed is not the answer. Ciy hall has $25.5 million dollars of annual income, city hall is swimming in cash.

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  31. It will be an interesting night this Tuesday.

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  32. I am ready to run for council!January 22, 2016 at 10:43 AM

    you guys are looking at this wrong. think like gene goss!

    we will now have TWO police departments to protect and serve us.

    plus, it can be expected that most - though certainly not all - patrons of the Buc sleeping off their buzzes in the back of a Murano will being doing so after 6 pm. This means that Arcadia will be towing said Murani resulting in fewer Barney Fife-esque shootings and lowering the city's legal bills.

    All good.

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  33. Why not just let Arcadia annex us?

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    1. You can see what is happening there! grassroots preservationists are starting to make a difference, but I would still prefer maintaining our local control.

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    2. they don't want us, we are a liability

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    3. SM being swallowed up by Arcadia is a McMansion developer's wet dream.

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  34. The SMPD has done this to itself.

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  35. My personal SMPD experience- they are utterly useless and incompetent. Hate to say it have family in law enforcement but that's the truth in terms of my experience with SMPD.

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  36. Anybody else notice all the police "patrolling" today? Everywhere I go I see a police car. It's a good thing I guess don't speed or make U turns!!

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    1. I am downtown daily, and daily I see people making u-turns to park on the Blvd., often next to the No U turn signs. If the police want to write tickets, they should hang around the Blvd.

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  37. I hope sierra madre is ready to be like every other neighboring city ran by the Sheriff's Department and is ready to give into a standard 10% raise every year. The only thing keeping Sierra Madre "cushy" & "family friendly" is its PD. Has anyone compared SMPD salary to other cities....lowest paying department by thousands. Seems these officers have finally been pushed to the limit and they are being picked up by other departments or retiring after decades of service.

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    1. Just as long as they don't let the door hit them in the arse on the way out.

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    2. "decades of service". Oh I love that. Mostly TWO decades of service = 20 years.

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    3. 10% raise each year? Sure. That must be why a boatload of LA County cities use LASD.

      You really need to work harder on your "argument".

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  38. I know that for a fact, and sorry its a mandatory 5% cost of living increase to add to their 3 billion dollar budget. I wonder how much people of Sierra Madre like Altadena? That's where Sierra Madre is headed....not to mention no Deputy is going to stay in SM to patrol...how long do you think it'll take criminals to figure that out....all of 5 seconds. Your response times will triple as deputies tend to the criminal element in Temple City. Your city shut downs for your parades and other city functions are not included in the price either. 12 cops on time and a half? Sierra Madre will have no choice but increase taxes through the roof or allow big business to move in to absorb your ever geowing bill from the sheriff's department... or maybe your city administration will be next in line to take a pay cut...they seem to line their pockets nicely while taking from your public servants as they falsely convice the public the officers some how are responsible for the complete mismanagement and poor decision making by the administration. How ever the chips fall I'm glad I moved before my property value dropped by half. This is the end of what was a beautiful city. The writting is on the wall.

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    1. Have you been experimenting with hallucingens?

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