Wednesday, January 27, 2016

The Late Night Police Patrol Agreement With Arcadia Gets Pushed To Another Day

If you stayed up late last night to watch the City Council decide whether or not to hire the Arcadia Police Department to patrol the now apparently defenseless late night streets of Sierra Madre, well, I am afraid you were disappointed. With good cause I must add. Here is how this event was originally billed on the City of Sierra Madre's website (link):

At the Tuesday, January 26, 2016, City Council meeting, the City Council will review an agreement for the City of Arcadia to temporarily provide police patrol services, seven days a week between the hours of 6:00 pm and 6:00 am beginning Sunday, February 7, 2016. Staffing levels within the Sierra Madre Police Department (SMPD) have reached a level where there are insufficient personnel to provide safe and reliable police services twenty-four hours a day, seven days a week.

Apparently City Hall jumped the gun on this a little bit because their equivalent governmental figures in the City of Arcadia have, according to Mayor Cappocia, agreed to do no such thing. At least not yet. This item was then accordingly removed from the roster and will only reappear after Arcadia has actually agreed to help the imperiled Sierra Madre out.

So you know, the next meeting of the Arcadia City Council takes place on February 2nd, and any possible discussion about patrolling Sierra Madre's police depleted streets does not appear on their agenda. At least it doesn't yet. It is a week until that meeting takes place, so things could always change. But so far there doesn't appear to be too much urgency in Peacockia about this matter. You can link to that meeting agenda by clicking here.

My guess is the February 7th start date for late night Arcadia police patrols described in that City of Sierra Madre website article cited above will not be met.

Remember, that same now inoperative news item was also published by Pasadena Now, SierraMadreNews.net, the Mountain Views News and on the City of Sierra Madre Facebook page. Hopefully all of those vigilant news resources will be issuing corrections and clarifications, and soon.

The oddest part of this abrupt course correction last night was Police Chief Larry Giannone pronouncing the now open ended delay to be "no big deal." I believe that a lot of people were previously led to understand that the loss of almost half of the Sierra Madre Police Department actually was a big deal.

Certainly all of that City Hall initiated press in the publications cited above might have led some to share that impression.

Yesterday Preserve Sierra Madre sent out the following email


The good news is all of that was ratified last night by the City Council. Both Councilmembers Goss and Harabedian did voice their usual misgivings about all of this, but in the end voted for ratification along with the rest of their fellow Councilmembers. Gene Goss cited last night's strong advocacy by John Hutt for getting him on board.

Any way you look at it this really was a big victory over bad development. Hopefully none of this will be challenged after the election is over.

The City Hall $7,500 Measure UUT Media Blitz 

This so-called nonpartisan effort to "educate the residents" about Measure UUT was passed unanimously by the City Council. Here is how one group of unimpressed commenters described this last night.


The City Council did not opt to send out a second postcard, so if you are really simpleminded you might actually be led to believe that they saved the taxpayers $2,500.

I hope they don't spend it all in one place.

One more thing. The stop sign requested by residents for the intersection of East Highland and North Mountain Trail was approved. This despite the advice of the stop sign engineer from Wildan. A lot of concerned parents turned out for this item. The school kids who cross there every morning will be be better off because of their efforts.

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89 comments:

  1. How many police officers do we have left?
    What are the quality of them?

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    1. As of last weekend just five police officers remained, along with two sergaents, the spot for a traffic cop is reassigned to patrol from what i understand, and they are operating without any investigators.

      I think there are 11 sworn including the chief, and I believe lieutenant handling admin.

      To compare in order to grant vacation and other standard leave to have a sergeant on 24/7 takes five bodies, with the same applying to patrol, and you can figure it out from there.

      PD's usually don't backfill leave with OT for motor cops, investigators and admin.

      Regardless of viewpoint, this is a department in deep trouble, and I see it as something only the blind could not see coming if you saw how their pay compared to other comparable Mayberry's in the area.

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    2. even the Chief suggests that any coverage by the SMPD is no big deal

      we could have told him that for the last dozen years or so


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  2. Oh dear friend Arcadia (or the sheriff),

    Please save us from our nincompoop council and incompetent police department!

    Like you saved us from our nincompoop council and incomptent water department ,

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    1. The department can be seen as incompetent because you have taxpayers in a well-to-do city that refuse to part with money that they have but won't part with in order to have a first-rate police force.

      This is also abandonment

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    2. Whatever you say.

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    3. 11:27 that just plain cray cray

      we have been throwing money at that department for years - well paid and a gravy pension and what did we receive?

      nothing close to first rate

      not even close

      or a respectful fourth....

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  3. Hopefully the City Council has been embarrassed enough by the SMPD to bring in the Sheriffs. This cannot be an easy time for them.

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    1. City Staff embarrassed them as well.

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    2. I wonder what Elaine told John Capoccia to get him agendize this item way too soon. Plus sign off on that press release.

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  4. Sheriffs now! The time for a change is way overdue.

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  5. Once again, this City Council voted in favor of responsible development in Sierra Madre. And thank God for John Hutt. Not only is he serving on the Planning Commission and helping to put in place responsible building rules, he also makes the extra effort by showing up at the City Council meeting to make sure that they don't go sideways when it comes to voting for it. If Hutt isn't there to answer questions or clarify things, who knows what will happen. This City owes a debt of gratitude to someone who cares enough to essentially perform double duty in volunteering his time at the Planning Commission and then showing up at important City Council meetings as well. Thanks John for all you do!

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  6. Yes, John Hutt is worth his weight in gold. But let's also thank the three that are at the meetings all the time: Ms. Alcorn, Barry Gold and Barbara Klein. Kudos to them all!

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  7. Thank You John Hutt. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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  8. No need to have Arcadia Council approve LA Sheriff Dept. contract. SMPD won't have to cover any shifts after that.

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  9. How many SMPD officers do we have now?

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  10. Those newssites are not sure how to report on this story yet. They haven't received a new press release from city hall yet.

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  11. I don't have a problem with the city spending our money educating us but we need all the facts, not just a portion of the information. With all the facts and options on the table, we as a community can make the best decisions, decisions that represent whats best for community as a whole, decisions for sustainability and preservation of our way of life. We don't need half informed special interests groups making decisions that effects us all. City Hall has a responsibility to the community as a whole to properly inform us.

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    1. So the information that the city puts out, to be truly unbiased, should be split into two columns. One column represents the pro side of the tax increase and the other column represents the con arguments for the tax increase. That way, the tax payers money that is being spent for this "information" will be fairly spent for both sides. Otherwise, this is just campaigning by the city for a tax increase. I think, no matter what "her Highsmith" says, that this is not legal.

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  12. City Hall is in denial. They just don't have the backbone to share with the taxpayers that in the 4th quarter of 2015 they increased All taxpayers costs by an additional $1.5 Million Dollars. City Hall annual income in now in excess of $25.5 million dollars and they still want MORE MONEY! CC has failed to cut spending, ok I get it, cc is looking at the taxpayer as a printing press, it ain't going to work!

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  13. Seems like a NO-BRAINER. This represents a good time to interface with the Sheriffs to see how well they fit into the community. What a better way to find out and this hasn't been mentioned???? What is going on here, how about management doing their job. If we don't take advantage of this opportunity then I want some questions answered. If council needs a negotiator I will make myself available.

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  14. As a tax payer I wouldn't mind as much if I thought the right decisions were being made.

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  15. All the good officers may have left the city already or are about to. We need trained officers, we don't need to train them so they can get another job, this routine has not and is not working. Just try the highly trained sheriffs and lets see what happens. This could be a good opportunity for our officers to get on the sheriffs department, what do you think 8:07 and 8:18

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  16. Until the City of Sierra Madre has a change in management the problems will only continue to increase. The City Manager is the root of the problem or is the problem. The City Council is a puppy body for Elaine, has no back bone and very ineffective.

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  17. The City Council needs to grow a set and hire the Sheriffs Now. The Arcadia proposal shouldn't even be on the table. Oh I forgot that can't happen until after the vote on the UUT.

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  18. Let me see, save $800,000 and get 20 more hours of patrol time. That is not a difficult decision. Why do we need an expensive safety officer when we have a fire chief who does the same job?

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    1. Get More. Pay Less.January 27, 2016 at 11:36 AM

      20% more patrol hours. significantly more than 20 hours. please note that sheriff response times in la Canada under an identical contracted relationship are the same as SMPD response times. and la Canada is ranked among the safest cities in the state (which really has to do more with demographics than the uniforms the local PD where).



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  19. Looks like modern times have caught up with the old school.

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  20. When will it be discussed that city expenses will be cut! Such as ciy employees salaries, Pensions, health & death benefits? City hall can not exspect other expenses to be cut, city hall employees must share with all city expenses cuts.

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    1. as long as Calpers is part of the equation for public pensions or any public pension that guarantees lifetime salaries, early retirement and overtime padding I will vote NO on every UUT, bond, school measure

      everytime

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  21. 9:29, looks like the part of the city council that has a set is dick-tating to the rest of us. Does not look like the brains are making the decisions.

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  22. Looks like the set at City Council have come to some poor conclusions.

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    1. we haven't three intelligent well grounded Councilmembers on the Council at one time since MaryAnn, Don & Kurt

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  23. Council needs to do their home work and not rely on such poor management to guide them.

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    1. don't forget, this is the same city management that took 700 staff hours in the pre-event planning of the Mt Wilson Trail Race

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  24. Feb 7th, city is going to put this off until some one gets hurt.

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  25. City hall has a taxation and spending problem, its not a revenue problem?

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  26. Follow the money. Sierra Madre's manager is an embarrassment, she will probably go off on a paid stress leave then retire per doctor and legal advisers recommendations. Oh the STRE$$ of bad leadership.

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  27. Stop the madness. Hire the Sheriffs.

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  28. What are the cities options? Seems like when there is a big problem they call in the Sheriffs any so why not start them in the evening so we can see how they work out.

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    1. I doubt LASD want to be a part-time patrol force, and has not done so in the past as far as I can remember.

      The closest they have come is patrolling two separate areas of Long Beach 24/7 while that city beefed up it's rank over several years. It was handled to the level of contract city, not the come when we need you SM wants us as they request from Arcadia. (Would it really be ok for LASD to abandon it's orth San Gabriel/East Pas or Monrovia/Arcadia county area beats that are also taxpayers in order to answer calls from penny pinching misers in Sierra Madre?)

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    2. What a bunch of selfish people you are in SM. You want cars serving taxpayers to abandon their citizens to come when you want them on the cheap. Pay up or shut up.

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    3. We don't need to "pay up". A full-time LA Sheriff contract will cost $800,000 a year less (there are other savings not mentioned) and give us approx. 20% more patrols then we have now. Get a grip, 11:42. We need facts, not rhetoric.

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  29. We don't need the Sheriffs bad reputation in our town.

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    1. Ahhh shaddup.

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    2. Why not just continue with our own force's reputation, for ineptness and greed?

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    3. and the reputation of SMPD is . . .

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    4. You're right. Let's have the SMPD "we only work daytime shifts" reputation instead becuase it's better?

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    5. The loss of the SMPD will severely cut into the City Atty's billable hours.

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    6. Maybe the city attorney can be contracted out, too.

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    7. lol

      we got the rep of hiring and promoting officers who freak out and shoot an unarmed sleepy man in the back

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    8. Only work daytime shifts, because the donut shops are closed at night.

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  30. Why SM didn't ask Arcadia first is a mstry but it's no mistry why Arcadia wants no part of us. I don't think we need to have Arcadias problems here.

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    1. Play mistry for me.

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    2. because we've yanked Arcadia's PD chain on this a couple times

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    3. Stop fussing with post misspellings. English is an infuriating language when it comes to spelling representing the sounds of English

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  31. The Arcadia top police men in cop cars get paid $280k a year including Pensions and benefits. There is no savings to Sierra Madre residents.

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    1. that's cause they have the same pension and obscene overtime padding opportunities

      that'll be Arcadia's big big problem in a dozen years - paying massive salaries to retired employees and then hiring new

      more taxes please

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    2. A small town of 11,000 can't play at the level of an Arcadia or Pasadena. It is financial suicide to try.

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  32. Are we still waiting to hear from Co po co about the No UUT Taxes being placed on the June 2016 ballot?

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  33. Mod, you've outdone yourself with the picture for this article.
    Thanks for a great laugh.

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    1. Unicorns are important for certain people in Sierra Madre.

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    2. Quit laughing and get into the van.

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    3. 1:38 - The unicorn's name is Sparkle and he says he knows you.

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  34. The City should get bids from the Sheriff, Arcadia and Pasadena. The fact that they are contemplating contracting out police services but haven't bothered to get bids from even a few providers illustrates that City staff has no idea how to contain costs.

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    1. Why bother saving money. Let's just raise the UUT.

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    2. we've done this before and it was just like the "committee" we had with this a few months ago

      it was never a serious appeal and it was done half hearted and the Arcadia and Pasadena PD got tired of the Buchanan's and other blowhards playing politics and getting solid alternatives to the SMPD and it being rejected for transparent reasons

      honestly, if you worked at one of those departments, would you take the call from the lol "Mayor of Sierra Madre" or Glenn Lambin or Elaine as a serious business call

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  35. 11:43, the city has done that a couple of times. Last time Arcadia did not respond and Pasadena was not cost effective, on the Sheriffs bid we got 20 hours of more patrol time at an almost $800,000 savings. Don't know how well trained Pasadena is but I know that the Sheriffs are better trained than Arcadia. So many benefits for selecting the SD it makes you wonder what the hold up is.

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    1. Certain Council members who received SM police union donations $$ and/or endorsements may not be in a rush to give that up.

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  36. The chief's opposite positions: 1. If we don't return the UUT to 10%, "[I]t is truly a concern with the officers. It's a concern for me...We want to stay here and provide our services to the community." 2. With the UUT at its current rate, "[t]he department's recruitment efforts are "going very well; we have 65 applicants," and an open-ended delay in getting nighttime patrols is "no big deal." Give us more money or we might lose our officers, except we have will have plenty of officers and all is fine!

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    1. #1 translated: "...and get our Platinum Pensions."

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  37. This is the last ditch effort of the City Manager. It also allows her to Sock it to the Sierra Madre taxpayers one last time with higher temporary police costs just in case the UUT doesn't pass. The first two attempts to pass the UUT didn't work, why not a third try, third time is a charm I hear.
    What was the amount of the extra paid police officer overtime. I'm sure the only officers left at the SMPD are the top heavy, overpaid, upper echelon of the agency like the sergeants, lieutenants and the chief. It's designed that way, that way the taxpayers get to pay even more for the cost of overtime.
    When are the decisions going to be made with the effort to save the taxpayers not bleed them even more. There is not much blood left

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  38. Me too 11:27, I'm all for spending more for less. Yes to the UUT and tax us more.

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  39. Elaine's legacy, she'll be one of the first city managers to lose a PD department

    wonder how that will look on her resume?

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  40. 20 hours of more patrol time at an almost $800,000 savings. If a lie is repeated enough times it becomes fact in the Tattler world.

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    1. Honestly I doubt anyone is going to believe the one you're telling.

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    2. Those pesky facts on the LASD staff report just drive you crazy, huh?

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    3. 20 hours is a lie. The correct number is 20%. Which equates to several hundred hours. You can confirm this if you actually read the sheriff's proposal. Which I have, Doofus

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    4. Why do most SMPD supporters come off as being kinda dumb?

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  41. 11:16.. Whoops, thank you. Mystery it is, slow them fingers down and use spell check :)

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  42. 20 hours and saving $800,000 ?? What are the right numbers, those are rounded out to the nearest whole # I thought.

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    1. Have you tried the prawns?

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  43. Disband the SMPD and send in the Sheriffs Department at once! Send the SMPD packing and get a real safety patrol working the streets.

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  44. Elaine is calling the shots! Elaine tells the city council members when to bark!! Elaine is going to continue to out smart all city council members. We need a mayor with wavouses and won't take any BS from the city manager... Elaine is UN employable ... Why is our city council so stupid to figure it out. Our city council will eventually bk the city as we once new it!!!

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  45. Leadership matters!!! Our city servers qualified city management ! The taxpayers are surely paying for it!!!!!

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  46. How many SMPD officers does it take to change a light bulb..

    Doesn't matter, we don't have any.

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  47. Looks like government Union scare tactics ...
    No police at night ,we're only open on Fridays ,failing infrastructure they can't and won't ever fix because it's all about there pensions ,welfare ,and self imagined self importance .

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