Saturday, February 6, 2016

City Hall Blinks? The Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department Could Be On The Way

Celebrate
You know, it would have made it easier for everyone concerned if City Hall had just done the most logical and sensible thing right out of the box. But what fun would that have been? Watching the folks downtown do wild and wacky things in the past is what has kept this blog going strong for years. We'd hardly expect things to change just because a lot of people in town pointed so popular a reality out to them.

In case you are wondering where I get this kind of information, there is nothing at all that arcane or mysterious this time. It is right out of the relevant Staff Report for Tuesday evening's City Council meeting (link). And judging by what I'm reading here, it appears that the long struggle is over and, despite the fact that it might hurt the feelings of whomever remains on the Sierra Madre Police Department, the City Council appears to be well on the way to at least temporarily hiring the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department. This to fill the staffing gaps left by the exodus of so many unhappy and fearful SMPD officers.

Who'd a thunk it? However, the City Staff didn't make this move without first asking everybody else on the planet. That is made abundantly clear in this passage.


I'm not sure anyone who has followed the more shameful and controversial aspects of the Kendrick McDade murder and cover-up (link) is going to get too excited about bringing the trigger happy Pasadena Police Department to these peaceable streets. But as of this typing that does not appear to be too big of a possibility. At least for now. But yes, we'll keep our eye on on it.

Then, of course, there is some of the usual blame assigning. City Staff, as we are all very aware, is never wrong about anything.


However, the rest of the news is not all that bad. Check it all out.


On February 3rd the Pasadena Star News published an article called "Arcadia to Sierra Madre: Sorry, we can’t help fill police department void" (click). In that article the mere possibility of hiring the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department is credited, at least in part, for the departure of half of the Sierra Madre Police Department. Here Mayor John Capoccia is quoted as believing that an actual LASD hiring, perhaps even on a temporary or part time basis, could result in the rest of the SMPD beating feet as well.

“If there is a need, the sheriff’s will come,” (Capoccia) continued. “It’s a very sensitive issue (to contract with the sheriff’s). It could lead to perceptions that are not representative of our intent to the police officers, and with the public as well.”

Capoccia is referring to the city studying completely outsourcing police services to the Sheriff’s Department in hopes of saving the city money and addressing a reduction in revenue due to a sunsetting of a higher utility-users’ tax rate in July, when it is expected to drop from 8 percent to 6 percent. Fears about contracting with the Sheriff’s Department have been attributed to part of the reason for the exodus of some of Sierra Madre’s officers.

While I am not sure what the downside might be here, I guess we're going to get and see if maybe he isn't actually right this time.

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53 comments:

  1. Down goes Frazier!

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    1. Was that the rumble in the jungle?

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    2. Thrilla in Manilla.

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  2. Turn out the lights, the party's overFebruary 6, 2016 at 4:50 AM

    How are we going to re staff half the police department when we now know the cities of Monrovia, irwindale, south pas, San Gabriel and San Marino are facing staff shortages as well? Especially since each of those towns no doubt pays more and provides a more interesting beat than our tiny, two strip town?

    And we are really going to have TWO police departments until MARCH 2017 or until the last smpd officer decides to hang up the shield?

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  3. If the Sheriff comes, will we have to keep the chief, in his newly created title and inflated salary, as the liason? He needs to go with his double dipping retirement salary.

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  4. We need to keep him as a reward for wrecking the department.

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  5. Wow. This is huge.

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  6. The slight chance that SMPD can continue to operate fully staffed is inordinately very low. All hiring fixes are months away; and even then, not likely to be sustainable. Get ahead of the money game, UUT is not the answer. Tell City Hall to immediately implement full LASD contracting. We have seen that the last four or five years haave not been the bright shining years for SMPD law enforcement personnel.

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  7. Because of the high costs of maintaining a police department small cities such as Sierra Madre can no longer afford to have its own police department. Despite all of the paranoid conspiracy theories coming from the people the Mayor and Gene Goss listen to, what happened here is happening everywhere. As city staff found out when they were calling other cities in hopes of avoiding the Sheriffs. That isn't going to happen. We are damn lucky the LASD is there. Without them we would be royally screwed. Some people just need to grow up.

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  8. The SMPD is done. Stick a fork in it.

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  9. The January 22nd story the city posted about the SMPD and contracting with Arcadia has been pulled off the site. Apparently the city hopes to be able to rewrite history.

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    1. Well done Tattler. You have saved Sierra Madre a very large amount of taxpayer money despite the conniving obstruction of Capoccia (tutored by Elaine Aguilar?).
      Without Tattler,what do you think the chances were that we would take advantage of the opportunity to use the Sheriff ? Yeah , right !
      Capoccia's statement about "misperceptions" is pure devious Elaine Aguilar-speak.He has sadly come under her influence. So how's that working our for your John? Not so well I'd say.
      If Capoccia would simply tell the truth - all of it and represent those of us who voted for him - he would be the Hometown hero by now.

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    2. That story is still up on the Mountain Views News site. Here is the link.
      http://mtnviewsnews.com/v10/htm/n04/index.htm
      Upper right hand article. Word for word what was posted on the City of Sierra Madre site. Which has now mysteriously vanished.

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    3. Paging George Orwell. Mr. Orwell, please report to the information desk.

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    4. It would be useful for some of the insightful Tattlers to explain to the slower readers like me why City Hall went through all this nonsense about the SMPD/Arcadia/Sheriffs. There are lots of paranoid theories but please help me pick through these or substitute more realistic alternatives:
      1. They are somehow beholden to SMPD and thought they could give them more taxpayer(UUT) money forever and Tattler would not notice or care/
      2. They like being able to influence "our own" Police Dept but know that would be much more difficult with the Sheriffs?
      3. There is some nefarious back-door connection between SMPD & Elaine?
      4. They just don't care what we say as long as they get their bloated salary and benefits.
      All of the above?
      Having addressed the bloated SMPD, which City Dept is next for Tattler?

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    5. I'd like to know too, Sherrif is a win-win, why on earth would there be so much resistance, seems like anything that makes sense in this town is put down by city hall.

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    6. Keeping the Sheriffs out of town, keeps Elaine out of jail. The greater the numbers of outsiders milling around, the greater is the fear of getting caught which increases the odds of actually getting caught. Stress & Fear are amazing. Some people don't eat, while others eat, depends on the individual. Judging by the pictures of Elaine as of late, she eats her stress. Elaine looks like she has a lot that she does not want found out.
      The proof is in the pictures and the pictures don't lie...

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  10. Bill Coburn's site is down.

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    1. True. It's just city PR puff pieces anyway.

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    2. And the world continues. Who knew?

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    3. Still down. How can I live?

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  11. This is also a lesson in how a police union can overreach and cause its own demise. There is a limit to what the taxpayers are willing to pay. None of these guys should be able to retire at 50 (and they don't retire, they just get another job that supplements their pension). I also don't think they should be walking the beat at 60. They can do administrative work or patrol the schools but something that would compensate the taxpayers for the amount of money they receive. They then should be able to retire at more like 65.

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    1. No bigger of an example the double dipping Chief of Police Larry
      Sick and just wrong!

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  12. Cop unions and CalPERS pensions are driving many California cities into insolvency. Hopefully Sierra Madre is now stepping back from that precipice.

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    1. The Cop union and Calpers could not do this without the collusion of the elected politicians ? So why do we elect people like Capoccia who abandon their promises and capitulate within weeks of getting into Office? And when they do go over to the dark side, why aren't they recalled?

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    2. Ever gone door to door trying to get signatures for a recall. I have, and it is very hard work. If you have a plan to make this happen, share it with us here. I am sure some would be interested.

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    3. John is a turncoat, a wolf...
      The question is not that John changed once in office, it is if he was a Doyle/Buchanan plant.
      We know that John is sneaky as a wolf. We just thought John was a sheep, that is why we elected him to guard the hen house. John turned out to be the Big Bad Wolf.

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    4. bad news for us is anybody endorsed by John Buchanan, Bart Doyle, Susan Henderson, Nancy Walsh, Josh Moran, Rob Stockley and of course Glenn Lambin

      these are those who keep themselves interjected into local city business even though it was this series of Council members that put us in such a negative position

      not surprising all are pro pro pro push push build build development, anti measure V and raise the UUT

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  13. Good! I'm glad this issue out of way.
    Now we can concentrate on stopping unfair, if not corrupt tax increases.
    Go Tattlers!

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    1. Taking the SMPD out of the picture removes the biggest reason for those tax hikes. You knew that, right?

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    2. To stop or reverse the tax increases we need structural changes at City Hall to reduce costs. Remeber the comment about 8 Public Works Dept employees painting one Stop sign on Thursday ? That is just bloat and it is easy to fix - if there is determination by Tattlers to force it on City Hall.

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    3. Agreed. So which Department at City Hall is next ?

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    4. There is no structural change at city hall bigger than replacing the SMPD with the Sheriff's Department.

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  14. The PD has many costs that will be done with if the Sheriff comes. New uniforms for every newbie, cleaning uniforms, Kevlar vests (why? Who knows?), fingerprinting new employees, medical exams @400.00 a pop, gas (and who keeps a control on that?). The list is endless. However, I'll believe it when I see it. Ya gotta figure if one Union job is gonna go, it means the other's are in danger. They work together against taxpayers because they can. Goss is a union guy. Capoccia worked for AT&T, although as one of millions of VP's. Harabedian has ties to Athems. Are they Union? It's the world we live in. Stay strong, keep after Capocccia, et al. It is only starting.

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    1. Someone pointed out the other day that if some idiot sues the city because of an LASD issue, their legal department handles it. No more big PD paydays for Michael Colantuono or Teresa Highsmith. Think of how much money that will save.

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    2. LASD brings their own patrol cars. One more expense saved!

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  15. Dear Tattler, after this cop shop drop is settled, I request that your next project should be the debacle of our water services. Slim Flam Inman, Aguilar, and all others involved in this need to be investigated. Please dig deep on this! As reference see: Flint, Michigan...

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  16. by hiring the sheriffs it saves the TAXPAYERS, not city hall, $800,000 plus the $400,000 for Pasadena detectives & helicopters (THATS $1.2 MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR), that's a crap load of money!

    The Sherriff's have helicopters and can provide enforcement services which Sierra Madre Police can not do!

    If it was not for TEAPAC, our city hall would never face the music to retire the SMPD with those Bucannan & Bart Doyle Pensions & Expensive Cadillac Health Insurance Plans!

    I think when you go to bed tonight you need to say a little prayer and thank God for others who are truly looking over others residents....

    And I am not talking about Sierra Madre City Council or Elaine Aguliar.

    Please also say a little prayer for the city council members of Arcadia, who voted 5 - 0 to disallow Arcadia cops to police Sierra Madre city streets,

    This is our problem to deal with, not Arcadia"s

    Its found that those who cry the loudest, are found sitting on the curb, get off the curb and give TEAPAC a donation and community service hours, we could use your help installing front yard signs, REPEAL ALL UUT TAXES, Do Something Positive to help the Community of Sierra Madre which you live in!


    Please, think about supporting your city and the people walking the streets asking for signatures, and get in line to purchase a UUT Tax - Calphers sign which says REPEAL THE UUT Taxes.

    God Bless the community of Sierra Madre!

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    2. I would like to think that the residents of Sierra Madre have done these things for themselves. As they have for decades. I would hate to think that TeaPac is trying to take credit for something they became aware of only recently. Honestly, I don't have too much of a problem of what they are advocating, at least locally. Nationally is another story. But the claim that you are somehow a vanguard group that we all must follow? And we can;t do it without you? Hell yeah we can. And just did.

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    3. or so you think.

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    4. Sorry 2:10, but I agree with 1:44. A lot of people have been at it for a far longer time than the group you belong to. Your group lacks the skills or subtlety to get things done in this town. You're the bull in the china shop. And I am about half an inch away from kicking your ass out of here.

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    5. Yes, let's repeal all taxes and let our infrastructure continue to crumble,outsource all of our services and let LA County take over our government. Then we can pay for all of our services through property taxes and won't have to worry about the pesky UUT.

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    6. Better yet, save $800,000 by switching over to the Sheriffs. We don't owe city employees a living for life. There is nothing they do that merits that.

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    7. 2:55 remind me it to invite you to a party. Is your name Cassandra?

      John Buchanan promised SierraMadre a 6% UUT in 2016 in exchange for a Yes vote in 2009 for the UUT increase.

      Time for politicians to actually deliver on their promises.

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    8. TEAPAC hasn't done much here. They're centered on Arcadia. If you are interested in fighting the UUT, please contact the Mod. with your info. We can not wait any longer.

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  17. The police have no one other then themselves, and their corrupt unions, to blame. Arcadia doesn't think what happened to Sierra Madre will happen. It's time that Arcadia at least acknowledge the canary in the coalmine. The city of Sierra Madre.

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  18. Lets keep up the momentum ? There is much more fat to cut out of City Hall.
    I agree with 12.46 & vote for scrutinizing the Water Dept and Public Works next.

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  19. I don't know if you have been paying attention but SM will not be able to afford the LASD either. What they are not telling you is that once we go to LASD, we will not receive traditional police services that we have been accustomed to.. LASD will send one car per shift (if your lucky) and will respond to emergency calls only, everything else..do it on-line.

    BTW, if Mr. McDade had not been committing a felony he may likely be alive today. This city is not worthy of Pasadena PD...

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    1. Is anything you ever say true?

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