Wednesday, April 13, 2016

Suckers After All

You? Yeah probably.
So let's see. The rejection of the 12% UUT in 2012 saved Sierra Madre taxpayers $500,000 each year for 2012, 2013 and 2014.

The 2014 defeat of the 10% attempted UUT cash grab saved taxpayers another $500,000 in 2015 as the sunset rate declined to 8%.

That is $2,000,000 that stayed in the pockets of City of Sierra Madre residents instead of going to CalPERS and SMPD pay raises. Or $200 for every man, woman and child in town. All thanks to Sierra Madre volunteers and donors, with not one cent having come from police or public employee unions.

All too logical and good to last, of course. The capacity of people to be deceived into voting against their own interests is the bread and butter of politics. No political consultant ever went broke pandering to the conceits and delusions of the easily misled.

Armed with around $30,000 in largely questionable money, along with maudlin sob stories about Baby Rhyme Time and Barks & Books, the stone cold cynic who ran the "Yes On Measure UUT" campaign bamboozled the low information voters in town into believing that everything they thought they loved about Sierra Madre would go away if they didn't vote themselves one of the highest utility tax rates in the state of California.

The biggest whopper of all being that somehow passing Measure UUT would "save" the Sierra Madre Police Department. Which, of course, it will not. And yes, we have all the evidence needed to show you that this is true. And it comes from a not all that surprising source.

Tricky Truitt
The fellow that was brought in by John Harabedian and John Capoccia to run the "Yes On Measure UUT" campaign, Pasadena Republican political consultant Martin Truitt, made a rather pathetic plea for respect last night from those he betrayed.

Something he attempted with this following much too revealing post.


Self-serving nonsense, of course. Martin Truitt, who really is a Republican and has in the past opposed such tax hikes in the town where he lives, now wants you to believe that he somehow orchestrated this election and set things up where City Hall will actually fire what little remains of the Sierra Madre Police Department. A financially necessary deed that will be initiated by Sierra Madre's new Treasurer, Michael Amerio.  

Which is basically true, and is pretty much how things will go. What little remains of the absurdly expensive SMPD needs to be put out of its misery, and certainly this City Council isn't about to place their fannies on that political third rail. It will be Michael Amerio that will bring this elephant out into the open, and everything else will then fall into place.

Michael Amerio, by the way, turned out to be the biggest vote getter of all last night. Pulling down 4oo more votes than John Harabedian.

What makes the majority of Sierra Madre's voters the suckers they obviously are, however, is upon being informed during this election by the "Yes" campaign, which was run by the dude who refers to himself above as "The Dark Lord," that their votes for Measure UUT would save the Sierra Madre Police Department from being replaced by the Los Angeles Sheriffs Department, they actually believed it.

It was, of course, the big lie of this election. And it worked. Measure UUT won by a landslide. 

However, the SMPD is, for all intents and purposes, gone. The "Yes" voting suckers are now stuck with a 10% UUT that won't sunset, and will have rescued absolutely nothing. That money will instead go to help pay for Sierra Madre's millions of dollars in still largely unfunded employee pension debt. Something that benefits no taxpayer.

How does it feel to wake up in the morning and realize you've been this badly used? 

Barry Gold e-mail
Now that the election is over it is hard to believe how much has happened in just two short months since I first announced my candidacy in mid February on the Tattler.  Literally thousands of flyers have been handed out door-to-door.  Hundreds of phone calls have been made.  I have appeared at civic clubs, been interviewed by local papers, and spoken at every Planning Commission and City Council meeting on subjects from preserving Sierra Madre, contracting with the sheriff, and water conservation.    

Trying to describe how wonderful it has been to work so hard to reach a common goal shared by so many others who have also worked tirelessly to get me elected is just not possible. 

To explain how saddened I am that I have not been able to achieve the goal of getting elected is also not possible.  I cannot tell you how disappointed I feel for all of us who have tried so hard to make a difference.

Still, I have always been one who looks for the positive.  In this case I am so grateful for making so many new friends who have supported me, encouraged me, advised me, and stood by me during this incredible experience.    

With each new day comes new possibilities.  Tomorrow is a new day, so I will see what possibilities come tomorrow. 

In the mean time look for me at city council and planning commission meetings.  I will be at the Planning Commission meeting Thursday April 21 to speak about protecting our open spaces.

So the beat goes on and so do we. I thank you all with all my heart and soul.

Anti-Mansionization Candidates Win In Arcadia

For the rest of this informative Star News article, plus news about the demise of Measure A, click here and here.

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129 comments:

  1. Right on the money, mod. Although Sierra Madre has it's perks, my heart remains in the South Bay, in large part due to the majority of buffoons I share the city limits with. Elaine must be jumping for joy, however high that may be, over their victory tonight. There were going to keep pushing for this until they got what they wanted. An adult temper tantrum of sorts. Question... Did these voters know the SMPOA has sued their beloved city several times? Do they know Elaine has compensation in the neighborhood of a quarter million dollars a year? Do they realize we have some of the highest costs of any California city, but receive some of the lowest level of services? I'd love to know the answers to these questions.

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    1. Most people don't know those facts, 11:50, and most people don't vote.

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    2. It's not most,it's the majority that doesn't know nor do they care about facts .
      I'm also assured this is the same majority that can tell you about every aspect of the Bachelor/Bachelorette and feel the Khardashians are liberated feminists.

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    3. Sad day for Sierra Madre. The Yes on UUT folks felt that if they tried often enough and told a few more lies, eventually they could break through and that's what happened. I think what sealed the day for them though is when the pro-tax people were able to get Delmar and Arizmendi to switch to their side. Once that happened, it was inevitable that the UUT would pass. That's why all their ads showed a picture of all 5 City Council Members.

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    4. Too many low information voters who don't understand how the public employee unions operate. You also have the problem where the benefit from the increased revenues from a tax is concentrated in a few groups like the police union who then spend a lot of money and have a lot of motivation to get the tax approved. On the other side, you have low information voters who don't understand the game and, even if they do, the burden of paying the tax is fairly diluted among so many people that its hard for them to get too exercised over paying it. In other words, you have the beneficiaries of the tax who will get a big increase in their salary or a 6-figure pension for life vs. the average taxpayer who may have to pay $30 or so more a month on their bill. Who do you think is going to fight the hardest and be the most motivated? That combined with the scare tactics is how public employee unions across the country have become the new aristocracy.

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    5. Once we lost Delmar and Arizmendi to the unions, it was over. No chance. There are very few people out there who have the courage to stand up to the unions. I hear Arizmendi has her eye on a political career as we know Harabedian does who recently became a public employee union member himself. They know that to succeed in politics, you need to be part of the machine and that means alligning yourself with the public employee unions. Its a deal with the devil.

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    6. I expected it from Capoccia and Harabedian but Delmar and Arizmendi were a surprise. It just goes to show you that its very difficult to stand up to the public employees.

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    7. The interesting thing will be to see how the additional revenues get spent. Keep an eye on that and you will know if a payback to the unions has occurred.

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    8. If they keep the SMPD, or half SMPD, hard to keep up with all the cops quitting, then you'll have your answer.

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  2. I will be sending out rental rate increases of $150.00 a door to offset my property expenses. It probably is something for all property owners to consider. Maybe this will have a different out come for the next election. The UUT ballot process and the right to vote is no more than voter Suspression.the city council is not making friends.

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    1. the incremental per unit cost to a landlord is probably $12 a month but you go ahead and use it as an excuse to gouge people.

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    2. 6:16 when you own income property you run it the way you want. Enjoy the 7/1 water & sewer rate increase, too.

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    3. Apparently going from an 8% to 10% rate is $150 a door. Which means someone is paying a bill of $7500 per month per door for each of their tenant's utilities. I can see why they are upset!

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  3. And one of the biggest fools is the Kensington that donated $1,000.00 to the Yes campaign just so they can now pay a 67% percent increased tax on their utility bills. I bet that's more than a latte a day.

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  4. Bend over and pay. See, Sierra Madre isn't a mountain village. We can pay through the nose for taxes and water just like Los Angeles. Be sure to thank your 5-0 City Council who all supported this.

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  5. Marty Truitt, oh, sorry, the dark lord, is a fool. Amerio ran unopposed and would have won if he had received only one vote. You can't take credit for this one, Marty.

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    1. I think most people, after they have to interact with Truitt, feel like they need to take a shower.

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    2. While Truitt is a hired gun, he's not some genius. The people got snuckered and bought into the lies. It was not even close. If their would have been a dissension on the City Council, we may have had a chance because that would have created a debate on its merits. Del Mar and Arizmendi caved and it was all over.

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  6. So what's next? A new Parcel Tax?

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    1. Oh yeah. Save the Library and save 2 retired and one future librarian at $100,000+ EACH

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    2. You can bet a parcel tax will be next but they may wait until we get used to the higher utility tax. When it comes, they will say the same thing: to preserve property values, so the library doesn't close, to keep the police - all the same scare tactics. Nothing will change and that includes the suckers who will buy into it once again. Until you can hold the line on spending, there will never be enough revenues to satisfy the beast. After this latest tax increase, they will simply increase the spending and we will be in the exact same predicament in a few years. It will be after certain City Council members are out of office so they bought some time for themselves so that it will blow up again on someone else's watch. Delmar is probably motivated to keep the peace and get through her last two years in office and then she and others will be gone and then its up to the next City Council to clean up the mess because spending was never controlled.

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  7. I think the message is pointing out that we now potentially have an activist treasurer who will make reports to the city council like they do in other cities. The implications of that haven't been fully considered. If Amerio uses his bully pulpit he can initiate changes without the extreme tactic of harming the cities revenue. The UUT repeal in Arcadua was defeated as was harbicht. That's how change happens, with candidates in the arena. Not with fiscal sabotage.

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    1. Arcadia will see the UUT repeal on the ballot again.

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      How bad will this tax hike hurt business owners in Sierra Madre
      All prices will increase.
      Add Jerry Brown's insane $15 an hour minimum wage...
      How many of you low information voters have teenage kids who won't get local jobs anymore?

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    3. Regarding the minimum wage, I read that the SEIU union poured about 50 million dollars into the campaign to get the $15 minimum wage. They know that with the fast food workers unionized and getting paid $15 an hour, that means about 200 million dollars going into their coffers every year which they then use to promote even higher taxes. That's quite a return on their investment.

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  8. Low information voters.
    The same dummies who vote for the likes of Nancy Walsh and Josh Moran.
    You are going to get what you deserve Sierra Madre.
    Disgusting.

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  9. Life is not always fair. Sure, Barry Gold should have decided to run in time to get his name pre-written on the ballot but that didn't happen so it was an up-hill climb from the beginning. But you have to admire someone who cared enough about Sierra Madre to fight the good fight that he did. At the age of what, 70 something, the guy is walking the streets and losing 15 lbs climbing up and down hills to get his message across. What a patriot and what a great person to have living in this town. I contrast that with John Harabedian who sees the City Council as merely a stepping stone in his ambition for higher office. Everything he does will be colored by how it can help him advance that political career. That is not the kind of person you want on a local City Council. He wants to plug into the system and advance his career. Barry was only looking to do what's best for Sierra Madre. What a contrast. Good guys don't always win I'm afraid and Barry Gold is one of the best.

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    1. Barry should be proud of himself. He ran a dignified campaign and never attacked his opponents. It was all about how to make Sierra Madre a better place to live. Barry is a true gentleman. I suspect we haven't heard the last of Barry Gold. Thanks Barry for all your efforts in preserving Sierra Madre.

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    2. I ran into Barry several weeks ago on my daily walk as he was out distributing flyers. I talked with him for ten minutes or so and was impressed enough that I only voted for him and left Harabedian and Cappocia blank. Shane he wasn't on the ballot, as he might have had a very good chance. He was the Trump of our election, light years above the other candidates.

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    3. Oh please. I voted for Barry but never in a million years for Trump n

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    4. Oh please. I voted for Barry but never in a million years for Trump.

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    5. Barry Gold is an honest, kind and smart man. Please run again next election Barry.

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    6. I would urge Barry to run again. He can win.

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  10. People to read the book "Plunder - How Public Employee Unions are Raiding Treasuries, Controlling Our Lives and Bankrupting the Nation" by Steven Greenhut to understand the tactics and the goals of the public employee unions, There is a reason they have achieved unprecedented salaries, benefits, pensions, and job security and its only going to go up and up. We are now working for them because we have to pay for this scam. People need to read this book because this is the number one problem facing not only Sierra Madre but America. Once the public employees were allowed to unionize, a monster was created. They are vastly different from unions in the private sector who are at least limited by driving companies into bankruptcy when they overreach. There is really no such limitation when you can reach into the pocket of the taxpayers. Although a few municipal bankruptcies have occurred, the haircut seems to happen to the resident's services and not to the pensions of the union members. Public Employee Unions are very destructive to our way of life. The only way you stop them is to starve them of money. So far that effort has been unsuccessful. Not only do they promote tax increase at every opportunity, they also buy politicians and buy elections. To succeed in California politics today in what is basically a 1-party system, you have to attach yourself to the "machine" and that means aligning yourself with the public employee unions. John Harabedian knows that better than anyone on the City Council so you can bet what his stance will be.

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    1. Extremely well put. You've hit every nail on the head with your comment and I can guarantee the mod is nodding his head in agreement with everything you said. The key is waking the population up to the situation and create a "fight or flight" mentality that finally gets something done. The country, but California specifically, is on a fast track to Greek status, primarily due to the public employee unions.

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    2. That's why so many middle-class or former middle class families have fled the state. Enough is enough.

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  11. The people have spoken, I guess it's evident who the minority is...you all still have this amazing website.

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    1. Sometimes chicken, sometimes feathers. On UUT increase votes we still lead 2 to 1.

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    2. The only good news in all of this is the election of April Verlato. If she would have lost, I would have said that Arcadia is gone. It reached the tippig point and its over. She has breathed new life into a last ditch effort to preserve any semblance of Arcadia. The entire city was on the verge of being torn down and replaced by ugly McMansions. Her election will put a stop to that. That is the only silver lining that I can see.

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    3. Given the proven ability of this City Council to flip on important issues, it might be time to start worrying about Sierra Madre again. P

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    4. It's pretty easy to drum up a couple thousand votes at approx. $15 per vote. In a city of over 10k, it really says nothing about who is in the majority.

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    5. I never stopped.

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  12. Sierra Madre is no different than any other poorly run city. Broke a d in debt to its employees.

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  13. Sad day for Arcadia.

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    1. Best day Arcadia has had in a couple of decades.

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  14. Very sad day for Sierra madre

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    1. Sad day for TeaPac.

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    2. TeaPAC wasn't campaigning in Sierra Madre. Try harder if you want to be seen as relevant.

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    3. What?
      So is that the whisper campaign, any person who doesn't want to support city hall secretaries for the rest of their lives is in the Tea Party?
      Huh.
      Maybe it worked.

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  15. That which unites us as American citizens is far greater than that which divides us as political entities. I urge you to give to the city council the support they will need to carry out the tasks that lie before them. I pledge them mine.

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    1. If they keep the SMPD, it will be WWIII.

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    2. The next big event. It will be very interesting.

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    3. 8:16 it is merely a tempest in a teapot. To start a WWIII you need more than one narrowly defined group of people complaining amongst themselves.

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    4. Wars are started by a few people.

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    5. 8:16 here.

      8:39 wait until they give SMPD a 20% raise and then get back to me.

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  16. Thank you for reporting on the Arcadia city council race. This blog, in my humble opinion, is responsible for exposicg the dirty tricks used by Bulldozer Bob and his minions. Sunlight is a great disinfectant. Arcadia finally can trust the council to do the right thing regarding the over-development of Arcadia. However, it may have come too late.

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  17. It looks like this council through it's lies have again covered up the mistakes of the past councils. Unfortunately we the tax payers are the ones paying the bills. 11,000 people paying out-of-towners to run this city into the ground is wrong. When you look at some of the professionals over the years who have applied for positions in local government only to be turned down shows a prejudice against the towns residents. When will we get a full council who really care about running this city efficiently? And that's the truth.

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    1. All they care about is getting through their final years in peace. They don't want to make the tough decisions that need to be made. Its better to be in favor of a higher UUT so that you buy some time and then it blows up on someone else's watch. That's what happens in office and that's what the public employee unions count on to keeping advancing their agenda of ever higher salaries, benefits and pensions.

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  18. Looking forward to Bob Harbicht's concession speech. Hope you cover it live. What a great day for Arcadia. And yes, the UUT will be back.

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    1. Yay so glad Arcadia said No to that crook B H .

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  19. If you like being lied to...well then all in well in your 10% UUT world. I am going to write myself a letter and mail it to me and leaving it unopened wherein I will predict the hiring of the LA County Sheriff and the discussion of a parcel tax to fund the library. I will open the letter at a future CC meeting and look at the viewing audience in the camera and simply ask: why were you all so blind? The 10% won't begin to cover it.

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    1. I think most people in town,at least the involved voters and the CC, realize that we obviously need more money to meet our debts. Hiring the Sheriffs and Property Tax levies are needed and the only option to maintain the lifestyle to which we are accustomed in Sierra Madre. The 10% UUT is called for and necessary but an end all solution.

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    2. The city needs to clear about why that money is owed. $9 million CalPERS, over $20 million in water bond debt. It has precious little to do with the Library.

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    3. 8:53 here I left out an important not!
      The 10% UUT is called for and necessary but NOT an end all solution".

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    4. So when the city switched in 2013 from a Calpers formula of 2.5%@55 and 3%@55 to 2% at 62, and 2.7% @57, that was the city owing more money to Calpers and increasing our Calpers debt, and that's why we need more UUT money? I'm not sure what argument is being made here. Is there a figure showing that Calpers payment per year has increased? Because as far as I know, with the stock market recovering, the payments to Calpers has been lowered. And also, as far as I know, the outstanding liability for the city has lowered.

      Perhaps the argument being made is that pensions are expensive and people shouldn't have them.

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    5. CalPERS rep[orted this week that they earned an actual 2.4% return for 2015. The payments that Sierra Madre makes are predicated on a 7.5% return.

      Guess who pays the shortfall?

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    6. CalPERS lied about the return they could get and now the unfunded pension liability is much bigger. If not now, very soon we will be paying more people not to work than we pay the people who do work and actually perform services to the residents. What a scam.

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  20. If we have about 7,800 registered voters in Sierra Madre, and about 2,660 voted, 34% of the residents have made the effort to make political decisions.
    Of that small number, about 70% were for taxing us more forever; under 1/4 of the registered voters made that bad choice.

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    1. And 100% of the residents have to pay for it.

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    2. Yes we do after all live in a Democratic Republic.

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    3. Actually it's a Representative Republic but if I explain it to you (again) your head will explode.

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    4. So if 2,658 people voted and Capoccia got 1,683 votes and Harabedian got 1,524 votes, does that mean that about a thousand people did not vote for city council?

      We each had two votes. Weird.

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    5. There was a significant protest non-vote. A lot of people couldn't bring themselves to vote for either one of those fools. Even people who voted yes on the uut.

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    6. Or some uninformed voters did not realize they could vote for two candidates ond only voted for one.

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  21. Democracy is more about accepting the responsibility of becoming informed and voting, than merely relying on others to vote for you.
    Barry Gold is an icon of decency and determination. He is exactly the person who should represent us.Next time.....

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    1. Do you really wish that horrible fate to kindly Mr. Gold. He should represent us but people who run and win office in town are routinely mocked,cursed,personal lives invaded,threatened etc. by the people who elect them as soon as they attempt to govern.

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  22. You forgot the Mail voters over 3,500 citizens participated in the election closer to 45% of registered voters not a bad turnout.

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    1. Didn't forget them. To get a total number, I added the total counts for the yes & no on the UUT. If you have different numbers, please post them.

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    2. You're correct for the UUT vote> I was speaking to the number exercising their right to vote app. 3,570 split between the council runners.I realize that that number is incorrect as 2 votes per person are allowed. Sorry

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  23. The city treasurer making a report is enough pressure to get the LASD? The truth is, it's about the majority will of the citizens of Sierra Madre. Even within the Tattler, there's waffling about the LASD. Some people here seem to think we can simply stop paying pensions, and debts, and so afford the rest. Some want to chuck the library.

    So what are we supposed to get pitchforks to reform? Calpers? Rising health care costs? The police department?

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  24. Maybe the city council should give the city manager and public works director another raise and a new dump truck to keep them fat in top grease foods! No TG hinv msks sense!

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    1. Take a deep breath and try again "in top grease foods! No TG hinv msks sense!" True I guess.

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  26. Where do we meet up for free rides in the City pickup truck?

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  27. You have witnessed corruption and control at the local level, well you should read about the corruption at Calpers and pension funds. I would not want to be paying Calpers fees with the way they are managing and stealing the investors money. Here is a story, mismanagement of pension and investors savings. Makes small town USA small potatoes.

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  28. Gives me a gut ache when I think of all the lies to tax us more. Would not mind paying if we really knew all the facts, facts so the whole town could make good decisions based on real problems. Can't cry over spilled milk, lets gather up the cats, lick it up and get back to work.

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  29. Why solve a problem when you can just throw more money at it instead? Isn't that the California way?

    What astounds me most is that so many people are so thrilled with themselves for having been duped by a mendacious city council and a greedy public employees union in the thrall of a corrupt retirement scheme.

    I've always suspected so, but last night confirmed my belief: a great many of my neighbors are idiots.

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    1. Math is hard!

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    2. Corruption feeds on ignorance.

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    3. @12:09: First paragraph is sarcasm. Next two aren't. Does that help?

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    4. 12:20, it was an "idiot" joke.

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  30. Gotta face facts- the 'Yes' party ran an effective campaign this time. In the media in the mail in the minds. The 'No' people did not.

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    1. A lesson to be learned from this is that in Sierra Madre politics you need to try, try, and try again. Worked for Goss; worked for Yes on UUT. Hopefully it will work for Barry Gold in two years.

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    2. We need to keep track of all the things we were promised this election. We need to bring them up in 2018 when the next round of taxes will be on the ballot. Measure UUT came with a lot of promises, few of which will be delivered. The same promises will be made for the property tax increases we will be voting on in 2018. That has to be called out.

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    4. Excellent point, 12:32.

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  31. I was registered to vote by mail, but like at least 19 other people in my precinct I never received my ballot so was forced to cast as a provisional. The BIG GLOSSY "Vote Yes" postcards were, however, all delivered. The mail in my complex is a mess because the mail carrier is lazy and careless; I know there is no conspiracy to block votes and that my missing by mail ballot was the fault of either the state or the PO, but the relentless "Yes on UTT" was wasteful and frankly offensive. Even if I had been inclined to vote in favor of the increase, the way the campaign was shoved down our throats would have given me serious pause.

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  32. The Yes on UUT signs are still up all over town.

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    1. Maybe weed abatement will clean them up

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    2. 9:40 pm and all the signs still up....talk about sore winners.

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  34. Word of warnings to residents voting only by mail or hand delivered ballots, more 'human error' were discovered by ballots not being mailed and delivered to long time registered voters. Sacramento should be contact if you feel you have been cheated out of casting your vote. Some time sticky fingers punch buttons that delete names and address etc. all to often by a person who has serious moral and ethical issues.

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  35. We lost by an almost 3 to 1 margin,stop making excuses and get back to work.

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  36. Correct, an unequivocal loss. But Why ? Our case for NO on UUT was so clear and the facts supported us. We lost anyway.
    The reason is we have been preaching to the choir instead of to the 'heathens'. My neighbors never read Tattler. They will watch junk TV all day and night but getting information on governance of the City where we live - no interest.
    So how do we entice them to read Tattler ?
    One enticement may be to include general interest articles ? Get advertisers to offer Tattler $5 Early Bird coupons ?
    Unless we find a way to spread the truth much further in our Community ,we are doomed.

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    1. In the end it is just a blog. It doesn't take the place of organizing, talking to neighbors, holding meetings, identfying goals or building a community consensus. The Tattler is support and entertainment. It should never be considered the main stage.

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    2. Actually you need to knock on doors and talk to people. That's how we crushed the attempted 12% UUT rate in 2012.

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    3. Why would anybody new read the Tattler it is so full of meanness it is its own worst enemy even if your facts are correct most people i have told about it after reading a few stories and the COMMENTS do not want to go back again

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    4. So you know, this blog had over 110 comments and 6,000 hits today. You might not know why people want to read it, but they do. Maybe you should go read something else if you don't like it. What keeps you coming back?

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    5. 5:46, I have advised people to just read the articles. The Mod is right on in his reporting.
      The comments are just that - sometimes thoughtful, sometimes senseless. You'll find it pretty much the same in any comment sections.

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    6. Same people going back to see new posts, or to see how their posts are being responded to. 5:46 makes a few valid points, John. Also, the whole TeaPac out of town interests are a bit much to take. I've lived in town for over thirty years, if you aren't a resident...stfu!

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    7. I find it hilarious that certain people feel they need to comment on The Tattler that they don't like The Tattler. Poor little dears have nowhere else to go.

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    8. Worrying about what the likes of 5:46 might think is an example of oxymoronic behavior.

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  37. And how do we get even more readers ?

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  38. 6,000 hits! Wow!

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  42. I called the police last week for a theft across the street. I saw the guy who did it, and was following him. I got transferred to the Sheriff's department. After 10 minutes I stopped following the guy. After 30 minutes the Sheriff showed up. I'm not pro tax, especially at the federal level. The sheriff is cheaper, but that just proved to me the level of service we will be getting with them. Crime will go up with such bad response times.

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    1. Your's is the first problem I've heard of anyone having. The other reports have all been that the sheriff responds promptly and with skilled officers.

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  43. 5:46, I have your answer. It gets very frustrating when you are busy or older or ill or just cant go to all the town club meetings and when you do go you see friends and neighbors just lapping up the lies that are being fed to us. Lies that are trying to tax us more. Lies that follow the leader mentality is buying. Lies that are ruining this town, lies that want more money but never fix the problem. Lies that you just cant believe people can't see through. 5:46 there is you answer, people get so frustrated to see the masses just following and believing the misinformation about the Library and bragging about how great the PD is. So the snide remarks are from people who are so frustrated by the year after year of lies that never fix the problems. If you have been in town very many years it is frustrating to keep seeing new council members coming on board and believing and repeating information fed to them by department heads and the city manager. These problems keep getting covered up with our tax dollars and never really fixing the problems. One of the John's said we don't need to bring up the past we need to raise the UUT so we can afford to keep going down the same road. IF YOU DON'T LEARN FROM THE PAST YOU ARE JUST GOING TO REPEAT THE SAME MISTAKES. Thats why the TAT's are so disturbed and it doesn't come out sounding so great. When you see attorney after attorney coming on council and using that position to climb the political ladder and not fix the heart of the problem it gets very disturbing and so you get responses that do sound mean. We are a town of only 11,000 people we can't afford a lot of the big city salaries and perks but we can afford the Sheriffs. Unfortunately 5:46 most likely won't understand. Thank you Tattler for bringing out the truth in spite of the resistance.

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    1. Amen. Yes! Now we watch and hold the City accountable to see if they deliver all the lies they promised if YES won. Thank you John for creating this forum.

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  44. I just posted to 5:46 but it's so late no one will be reading it. My days are long and I don't always get to respond here until too late. Oh well, time for bed and another long day tomorrow. Good night Sierra Madre.

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      I'm reading your comment even though it posted late in the day. I say thanks to the Mod for letting all speak their mind providing it is written in a civilized manner. The Tattler is the voice of truth in a city that controls all other media. Thanks Mod!

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