Saturday, April 9, 2016

Would A Community-Wide Lottery For Selecting City Council Members Work Better Than An Election?

And the winner is ...
Mod: With the Sierra Madre City Council election coming up next Tuesday it might be as good a time as any to ask this question. Would we be better off choosing a City Council through a lottery process rather than electing them? With a few rare exceptions they never seem to do what they had promised to do, so what exactly do we lose? Example: You might have thought you voted for three members of the Sierra Madre City Council because of their opposition to raising utility taxes, and thereby assured that a draconian 67% increase could never happen. How has that worked out for you? So here is the question. Could people chosen at random actually give the city better governance than that offered by those who run for election? How exactly would special interests be able to buy elections if everyone in town is a potential new Councilmember? That is just a portion of what the authors who wrote the following for the LA Daily News are asking. 


Mod: So would we end up with a better quality and more representative City Council if its members were picked out of a spinning barrel rather than chosen at the polls? 

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72 comments:

  1. Sounds like communism pure and simple.

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    1. Hopefully that changes once the SMPD is dissolved and we have the Sheriffs full-time.

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    2. The Workers Republic of Sierra Madre requires that you pass Measure UUT. Otherwise there will be severe consequences. We will take away your services and force you to live in a dark threatening world without Baby Rhyme Time or Barks & Books. Beware!!

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    3. Thought process of 6:43:

      "This is something I disagree with. Hmm ... what is it? More importantly, what should I call it? ... What to call it? I don't quite know what it is, but I don't like it! I know! It must be a socioeconomic order structured upon the common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money, and the state."

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    4. 11:01 6:43 here. I am what you would call a communist you idiot. Who are you quoting? yourself? You know nothing of my thought processes. You are not clever,you are not amusing you are stupid.

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    5. And here I'd always heard you were an accountant.

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    6. We knew that's how you would respond, 6:43/12:04. We've been monitoring your thoughts for years.

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    7. Thank God for the NSA.

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  2. Wasn't it William F. Buckley who said that he would sooner be governed by people from the first 100 names in the phone book than the faculty members at Harvard University. I always think the regular folks can do a better job than the elites. That's why I'm voting for Barry Gold. He's not a serial politician, he's not ambitious for higher office. He's just a regular guy who wants what's best for Sierra Madre. Tell everyone you know to vote for him. He's going to surprise people and win this thing.

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    1. Except in Sierra Madre's case, the councilman graduate is from Yale.

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    2. Isn't Yale where Bill Buckley went to school?

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    3. First prize in the raffle should be the ice cream dish of your choice at Mother Moo. Second prize a seat on the city council.

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  3. When a person enters the arena of unpaid public service, such as a city councilman, a commission member their motivation has to be for that public good. Not for personal financial gain, or a stepping stone for higher poilital gain. All my life having been involved with unpaid public services these Inpostures are easy to spot. Lining their pockets one way or another, or the pockets of their friends. Unions, special interests and a city manager who looks only to preserve her own badly done job are destroying this town. It is time for a change.

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  4. How many current members of the city council kept the promises they made when they ran for office? Any? Maybe we should pick the city council out of a phone book.

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    1. Most people have cell phones now, and many have dumped their landlines. A much better way of picking council members would be throwing a dart at a map.

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    2. OK, but who would throw the dart?

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    3. Pin the tail on the resident.

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  5. How's this for you: only male children learn to read and 'the' book would be the Bible. And then when the crops fail or you have a disagreement with the male head of the household... get on your horse and head on out...we don't need no book learnin' nohow!

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    1. You must be a "Yes" voter.

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    3. 7.30 I vote Yes to get rid of Co po ca, hardbian, goss and eliane aguliar. Do we have your vote also? And I also vote Yes to REPEAL of ALL city UUT TAXES.

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    4. 7:28 here. 7:30 may have failed reading comprehension. Or skipped the Wm F. Buckely nauseous quote above to which I was commenting. Besides I voted Barry and bubbled in the oval, NO on UUT, for the Treasurer and Clerk and once before for Capoccia but never again and never, ever for Harabidian.

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    5. I agree with the Buckley quote.

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    6. Buckley was an A hole. But He knew that ignorant fearful people tend to vote conservatively against their own best interest

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    7. Breathe, 4:45. The Buckley supporters aren't going to take away your medical marijuana.

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    8. Those who want to get rid of only the 3 men remember, the 2 women also ran on no on the UUT. Must be something about being on the Council that changes one's mind, like being responsible to the city as well as the citizens.

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    9. Does Buckley have any supporters?

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    10. Buckley is dead.

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    11. Amen to that 3:45, though I'd say he was a pretentious "an" hole.

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  6. I think it's cute when you publish a comment then remove it,as you approve every comment before publication why would you approve it then delete it?

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  7. There are so many college graduates in Federal and State prisons so having a degree really means nothing in there either! Common sense along with good moral and ethical background seems to be a plus for any candidate running for public office along with being a people person. Candidate's should have a fine tuned compass to know when they are leaning to close to a gray area of the law and or financial area - keeping the eye on the future and not the here and now with personal gain and glory at stake. You could weed out the good from the bad with a simple polygraph exam for all the voters sake of mind in the selection process?

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    1. Wow 8:34. Where to start? So you think there's a significant percentage of college educated people in state and federal prisons? A higher percentages than the general population? Citation please.

      Your subtext: Education is not important; only common sense is. So please tell us how the uneducated will know when "they are leaning close to a gray area of the law and or financial area" given the complexity of law and finance? You may not believe it but a lot of thought and hard work by good, educated people in both the private and public sectors goes into ensuring compliance with various laws, regulations, rules, and ethical guidelines, particularly in situations that might be described as "grey" or that might require discerning construction and judgment.

      Weed out the good from the bad with a polygraph? My highly accurate tea leaves suggest too many TV crime dramas led to that one.

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    2. Look maw! It's a bs geyser!

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    3. 11:56 perfectly illustrates the educational challenges we face.

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    4. And she's about...to...blow!!!

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    5. Speaking of which, Pasadena Unified teachers are talking strike. Apparently they don't believe they should be paid on any merit based scale.

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    6. Sounds like the SMPD desertion squad.

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    7. People with common sense and good moral and ethical backgrounds don't go in to politics- they become social workers

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    8. Absolutely 4:48. Then they face the problem of politicians messing with their budgets and constantly foisting their selected managers on them, managers who, in turn, constantly reorganize, all of which is to make it appear that the politicians are concerned about efficiency and thus placating taxpaying voters, but in reality they prevent the social workers from doing their jobs.

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  8. He/she who gives the most $$ to the city buys a seat on the city council.

    Maybe have am auction.

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    1. Lottery tickets. Sierra Madre Sweepstakes.

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    2. Public employees already pay for their sweepstakes. It's called union dues.

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    3. I vote YES to terminate the city council and I also vote YES to Repeal All UUT TAXES1 cheers

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    4. Edward T Garcia will be Capet bombing us in Martin Truitt-inspired postcards on his way to a 2018 City Council seat. Makes the UUT repeal in 2018 sound pretty tempting.

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    5. Garcia is a puppet.

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  9. Barry Gold wants the UUT tax raised.

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  10. The results of a lottery couldn't be any worse. Odds are Walsh would have never been picked.

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  11. Only if it has a sunset clause. Tell the whole story to be accurate.

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  12. Barry Gold has said a repeal of the UUT would be a disaster so why would he ever vote for a sunset?

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    1. Because the situation might change? The city might get a grip on its finances someday and no longer need to tax utility use at an exhorbitant double-digit rate?

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    2. 10:50 is being annoying. He needs to find a hobby.

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    3. Yes, anyone who disagrees with you is annoying to be sure.. This blog is for no people only.

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    4. At least you are allowed to post here. The Yes MUUT Facebook page is a highly censored clone zone.

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    5. at your own peril.

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  13. If that happened the Council (half of which is up for election every two years) can reduce the UUT without a ballot measure. I'm asking if Barry Gold was on the Council right now would he vote to increase the UUT to 9% or would he support a repeal of the UUT right now.

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    1. He would support 9% with a sunset clause.

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    2. Dear 11:03,
      If you really want to know what I would do on any issue you can call me any time at 213-804-1820. My phone number has always been on every flyer I have passed out. It has been in newspapers articles and ads in the Sierra Madre Weekly and the Mountain Views News.

      Respectfully,

      Barry Gold

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    3. Mr. Gold, you've only lived here for 4 years so please respect us with a little more history. The fact is that the UUT started with a complete lie and has continued with lies. If I have the chance I will vote to repeal UUT completely.

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  14. As you talk about your NO vote to those less informed, remind them that the YES has no sunset, ever!

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  15. Off Topic: Sierra Madre in the LA Weekly.

    http://www.laweekly.com/arts/1960s-canyon-culture-has-been-preserved-in-amber-in-a-little-foothills-spot-6807226

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    1. Look Ma! A pothead retreat!

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    2. It keeps the people there from getting too tense about the threat low taxes present to their property values.

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  16. Passing the 66% permanent increase in the UUT is the best way for Earl Richey's "eliminate the UUT entirely" ballot proposition to pass when it comes up on the ballot.

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    1. Yep. Especially after everyone figures out how little of what the Yes MUUT people have put out is even close to true.

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  17. I see the Mountain View Unnews is at it again. An editorial by Copoccia that no one can answer before the election and a mistake in her article saying Mr. Gold didn't have a ballot statement when he wasn't allowed to have one. Great reporting! Does anyone in this town not see that this newspaper and the person who runs it should be run out of town?

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    1. Susan already left town. She lives in Los Angeles.

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    2. True. The only thing Susan takes with her is the City public notice ad revenue.

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  18. I heard she is coming back to live here.

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    1. I don't think actually living here will make her newspaoer's coverage objective.

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    2. So she says!

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    3. It was never objective when she did live here. She just goes where she thinks the dollars are.

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  19. Investigate the concept for yourself, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sortition
    In a odd way the city of Bradbury, California has a revolving city council membership among it's so few households.

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