Thursday, May 5, 2016

Tonight's Planning Commission Meeting Needs You

The Planning Commission has quite a bit on their collective plate tonight, as is usually the case. Nothing different about that.

And in regards to the "group living" issues, they will have the opportunity to stretch the parameters of what staff has laid out for them a little bit. Otherwise the Dedicato Treatment Center will be allowed to go on as already planned. Which, now that I think about it, might end up being the case no matter what the Planning Commission does. The governmental cards apparently being pretty heavily stacked against the actual needs of communities such as Sierra Madre.

Here are the two issues being discussed tonight. Trust me, it is all heavy lifting.



The item I am going to talk about here is the first one. It is the topic many hope will shed some helpful light on the Dedicato Treatment Center situation at 22 W. Carter. However, I am not sure the folks who work at City Hall see things in quite the way you might. This despite what I think will be some notable public commentary from some of the residents in attendance. 

Here is what I would worry about if I were you:


In other words, Vincent Gonzalez and City Manager Elaine Aguilar might not see this as the proper forum to challenge facilities such as Dedicato because this treatment center has limited itself to "six (6) or fewer persons." This is pretty much what state and federal law dictates must be allowed to exist, and perpetually uppity towns such as Sierra Madre have no place challenging such things. Should they do so the legal implications could be fierce.

Big government might believe they have done all of this out of the goodness and boundless caring of their immense hearts. But as is usually the case in such matters, they really haven't taken into account your concerns. Only those of the self-destructive drug addicted individuals that you now need to accommodate in your neighborhood. Where your house is, and your children live.

After all, there is a lot of money to be made. Never forget that. If you don't believe me, click here.

This predicament is described pretty well in the Sun Sentinel article we posted yesterday (link). Though it pertains to Florida, the same Federal laws apply. Even if staff only identifies the culprit as being the State of California.

Sober homes are a kind of halfway house for drug addicts fresh out of rehab who are not quite ready to return to society. The homes open in neighborhoods, which neighbors say has led to traffic on side streets and an influx of drug dealers who prey on addicts trying to get clean. People have complained of finding needles in parks and on front lawns.

Because addiction is considered a disability by the federal government, addicts are protected by the Americans With Disabilities Act and the Fair Housing Act. Those protections have made regulating sober homes difficult, and officials are cautious about what they say in case of lawsuits — one reason they met in private.

You see, heroin addicts and other 24/7 party people are actually individuals with disabilities. That's what the Feds say. And therefore they must be allowed to be treated wherever their hearts may desire. Just as long as there isn't more than six of them housed in any one place at a time. 

We'll just have to wait and see how this shakes out this evening. Knowing their independence and awareness of community concerns, the Planning Commission might take the forbidden paths anyway. You never know. They do that once in a while. It is what makes them so darned likable.

This should be a very interesting meeting. You might want to support the real Sierra Madre by getting your bad self down there this evening. Everything kicks off at 7PM. 

Interesting McMansion article from CNBC

Million Dollar Home Market Slumps - The luxury home market may be losing some of its luster. Average sales prices for homes listed at $1 million or more fell 1.1 percent in the first quarter compared with a year earlier, marking the biggest decline in more than two years, according to Redfin.

The decline at the top marks a stark contrast with the broader housing market, which continues to gain strength. The bottom 95 percent of the housing market saw prices jump 4.7 percent in the first quarter compared with a year ago.

Sales volume of homes priced at $1 million or more rose 4.9 percent — marking slower growth than the rest of the market, where sales volume grew 6 percent.

You can read the rest here.

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78 comments:

  1. Six bed facilities fall outside of the control of the city and that is why they will continue to pop up. Six-bed facilities can be for any type of disability or need.

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    1. New use for McMansions!

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    2. I guess the problem would not exist if those five and six bedroom houses would have never been considered single family homes.

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  2. Licensing Regulations for Residential Care Facilities

    Residential Care facilities operate under the supervision of Community Care Licensing, a sub agency of the California Dept. of Social Services. In California in the early 1970's the residential care system was established to provide non institutional home based services to dependent care groups such as the elderly, developmentally disabled, mentally disordered and child care centers under the supervision of the Department of Public Social Services.

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  3. The canyon was originally home to many facilities that today we would call rehab centers. There were never any problems that I have heard about(of course this was in the early 1900's) Sierra Madre has always been a welcoming community and I hope will continue to be. That is one of the many reasons I live here. Why all the fear? embrace diversity..........

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    1. Yes. Drug addicts are a civil rights issue. Just like child predators were for some people here a while back.

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    2. This issue will not go away as long as the supply side of new drug addicts is not addressed. There has been and continues to be such an extraordinary increase of addiction to prescription drugs in all social classes during the last 20-30 years, that can be traced down to the advent of "non-addictive" opioids (most prominently oxycodone). Many people who followed doctor's order found themselves dependent and addicted to their prescriptions.

      There have been lawsuits with guilty pleas (to avoid jail time) for false advertising. Luckily, Kentucky choose a different route. Orange and Santa Clara County also have lawsuits pending:

      http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-10-20/purdue-says-kentucky-suit-over-oxycontin-could-be-painful

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    3. 6:51 ---- Having junkies live on your street is a diversity issue? What are you, nuts?

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    4. 6:51, I'm aware that there were facilities for the recuperation from tuberculosis in the canyon, but this is the first I've heard about drug addiction facilities. Can you provide specifics?

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    5. 6:51, have you provided your address to the State so they can locate a drug rehab center next door to you? Share the wealth!

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    6. It may be too close to the existing center.

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  4. Yes both are civil rights issues under the laws of this land. Change the ADA act if your scared or move to North Carolina and push your agenda. Like it or not you live in the great state of California.

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    1. It's a Federal law, fool. You move. Try North Korea. I think you'll like it.

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    2. You need to tell the good folks and politicians of N.C. that. Why do you always resort to name calling when your hatred is challenged?

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    3. "Your" (your spelling) an idiot. I'm sorry, but there is no law, federal or state, that requires people to suffer fools gladly.

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    4. Maybe 7:25 has drug abuse problems and wants us to believe he deserves public assistance and a room in a pleasant neighborhood.

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    5. The scam starts with classifying drug addicts as disabled.

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    6. 7:06/7:25 shows up whenever the Tattler covers the inappropriate business of drug addiction rehabs in R1 neighborhoods. I just can't figure out who that lives in Sierra Madre really wants to have this happen.

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    7. Whoever this person is exists in that small grey realm wedged between extreme political correctness and insanity.

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    8. The Golden State is not so Golden anymore. 'Splains why so many good people have left in the last few years.

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    9. And if the predictions of the NASA are correct and we are indeed facing a "real drought", even more will leave the Golden State.
      And if the predictions of Robert Shiller are correct, house prices will drop by more than just 1%.
      But we all knew this all along.

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    10. Um 8:42 The not so golden Golden state is the 7th largest economy in the world. Maybe more "good" people should leave? And Robert Schiller?? is he still alive?

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    11. Used to be the 6th.

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    12. 10:37 is parroting the latest Gov. Jerry "Moonbeam" Brown talking points.

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    13. The only way Jerry will leave California is by UFO.

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    14. Can't happen soon enough.

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  5. The sale of Million dollar plus homes have hit wall lately for while they were selling faster than lottery tickets so local cities saw this as a quick fix to resupply cities faltering tax dollar piggy bank. Each city cow towed to these developer LLC's now that work has stopped on so many the political future of those over riding common sense in planning are looking for other places of employment.

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  6. Arcadia has plenty of unsold multi-million dollar homes. Thank God we stopped that in Sierra Madre.

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  7. If you want to tell the Planning Commission your thoughts about 22 West Carter, be there tonight at 7:00. That will be the only time it will be discussed tonight, at the beginning of the meeting.

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    1. It will be interesting to see who shows up from the treatment business.
      Maybe they'll introduce themselves and tell us all how compassionate they are.

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    2. At $30K a head they can certainly afford to fake a little caring.

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    3. This is all about money. Not diversity, not drug addict rights, or anything else. It is about an industry that wants to exploit our community for profit. They can make a lot of money stashing rich junkies here. That is all there is to it.

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    4. It always about the money - nothing new here.

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  8. Small Acts of Cowardice Are Destroying Our Culture
    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/434827/individual-cowardice-killing-american-culture?y0Zrqyg7avF9WB50.01

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  9. Quit your crying. People taking drugs have rights also. 22 West Carter is an excellent location for a drug rehab facility, right next to the mountains. The drugees can watch the deer play. These are the same people that did not 1 Carter to be developed. Get a job, buy the Land, and then you can control your own property and will not be effected by others. Cheers

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    1. People who break laws have special rights? What ethical wilderness are you from?

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    2. 8:17 might be one himself. After all, it is a well known fact that drug abuse causes brain damage.

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    3. 8:17, I hope you come to the Planning Commission tonight, to support the center.

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    4. 8:20, illegal immigrants do.

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    5. There are a lot of legal drugs that one can be addicted to.

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    6. Which are yours?

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  10. We moved into the canyon in 1973. There was an place with drug rehab residents and you would see people, mostly young, walking along Woodland carrying their bible. It was torn down and the structure there now was owned by Scott Storley. It is the double wide manufactured home.

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    1. You got a thing against trailer parks? Hater.

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  11. My friends, I do not think that it is a realistic view that the federal government will stop this. For those of you who are interested in this national crisis, the US Surgeon General is talking about this today: https://www.washingtonpost.com/pr/wp/2016/05/02/the-washington-post-to-explore-nations-opioid-crisis-during-event-featuring-u-s-surgeon-general-vivek-murthy/ Of the well over 600,000 heroin addicts in this country, 90% are white and middle-class. When I pointed out two days ago, that typical heroin addicts today are middle-class white women who had been hooked up by their doctors to prescription drugs, this was viewed as an “interesting idea” and it was quickly pointed out that it would be discriminatory if these facilities were only available to white women. For the record, this is not an “interesting idea”, it is a well-established fact that 90% of heroin users are nowadays white middle-class people, with a majority being women. http://archpsyc.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx

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    1. What is your point?

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    2. Same point made day after day - feel sorry for addicts because it's not their fault.

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    3. Maybe the repetitious poster is a mynah bird.

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    4. Congratulations. You won the prize for the best argument today!

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  12. We need to ensure that physicians follow proper procedures in prescribing opioid painkillers, which they obviously don't. It is a well established fact that patients are turned into addicts when opioids are prescribed "as needed". This is one of the first things you learn in pharmacology classes, yet there is an industry in this country who convinced physicians that it is OK to do so, with dramatic consequences throughout the country.
    It is a very good business model and Purdue Pharma and others have made billions with it. They should pay for the consequences.

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    1. Okay, set up the rehab facilities on the Purdue grounds.

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  13. To every poster that has commented on this topic today and the recent past. You guys darn well better get your sweet patotties down to the Planning Commission tonight. This can happen in your neighborhood.

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  14. 11:35 there are also many doctors that push pills and pocket extra insurance monies from doing so; time will tell if 22 Carter is such a set up... thank you for your insight on this National dilemma of, over medications being big business for profit and death.

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    1. It is also no coincidence that more women are addicted to painkillers. The easy answer would be that they are just less responsible than men, but that view neglects that there is a fundamental biological difference between men and women.
      First, women tend to weigh less than men, so the standard doses they receive are relatively higher. Second, they metabolize drugs differently, which makes the effective doses even higher. Third, they process pain differently, which makes them more likely to experience pain and seek help in the first place. And fourth, they tend to follow doctor's order better than men.
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      I have not seen any police reports on 22 Carter that would indicate that there has been a problem, but maybe I have been missing some reports. I would appreciate if they could be shared here.

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    3. 1:45, why do you keep posting about women and addiction?
      Hoping to drum up business?

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    4. Sorry to disappoint. I have no business in the addiction field, nor am I addicted to alcohol, drugs or nicotine. Not even food. When I initially heard about this, I was myself stunned about this disparity in addiction, so I did some research.
      The addiction field does not need to 'drump up business". There is plenty of demand and not enough supply.
      As a concerned citizen, I think it is in our best interest to prevent new addictions by informing the public about the dangers of some drugs that have been marketed as "non-addictive". If you have a wife or a daughter or are a man who weighs less than 140 pounds and go to a doctor for pain, be cautious when they prescribe narcotics, even if it makes the pain go away really fast.
      Ironically, history repeats itself. In its early days, heroin was also introduced as non-addictive. We laugh about this today, but it was no laughing matter initially. Patients were prescribed heroin, found themselves addicted and were told it is their own fault. You see the same thing happening here. These narcotics are indeed highly addictive, even when taken as prescribed.
      Finally, it is also a matter of our economic interest. It is in our best interest to offer treatment to addicts who seek treatment, even if they relapse and many will. Many will also lead productive lives. Not too long ago, we had a recovered alcoholic in the White House. Prior to that, Betty Ford made news about her addictions to alcohol and prescription drugs.

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    5. I have binge eating disorder I went to a recovery program in San Clemente and lived in a treatment center much like what is described here. There were many PTSD affected veterans,heroin addicts,and other mentally unstable persons housed by the program in the same neighborhood where we stayed for the eating disorders only 2-3 problems that I know of in the 3 months I was there 2 were veterans that had breakdowns and one was a 80 pound meth addict. I guess the affluent folks in San Clemente are a bit more hospitable and way way richer than SM.

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    6. Is there a picture of you standing next to the 80 pound meth addict?

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    7. 3:26 PM

      I am glad you shared your story. It takes courage to do so.

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    8. You' ve been fooled. It was all made up nonsense. Sorry.

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    10. Dave! I should have known it was you! You've been busy today. So the binge eating disorder thing. How'd they get you through your debilitating addiction to chowing down?

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    11. Dave, I would like to come over and talk to you. Maybe over a plate of twinkies?

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    12. 3.54 and 3:56

      Nothing shows a man's character more than what he laughs at.

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    13. Sorry, but Dave is a known troll who makes up the most ridiculous nonsense in a bid for attention. Only of fool would take him seriously. Except you, of course.

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    14. They're not quite as happy with sober houses in San Clemente as Dave claims.

      South County cities 'struggling' over sober living homes

      Cities throughout suburban South Orange County are working on how to handle the influx of sober-living homes in their residential communities, responding to local homeowners’ complaints and citing their presence as a potential threat to neighborhood character.

      “A lot of cities are struggling right now,” Laguna Niguel Assistant City Manager Dan Fox said recently. “They’re trying to figure out how to balance and preserve the nature of a single family neighborhood with the needs of those sober living residents.”

      Sober living homes house groups of individuals recovering from addiction issues, and are often located in suburban neighborhoods – a venue common throughout the county.

      “It is an attractive area,” Fox said. “We have larger homes – lots of single family homes - that you can convert very easily.”

      Sober living homes have long had a presence in Orange County, but have garnered more controversy in recent years when Newport Beach and Costa Mesa passed ordinances regulating their presence, in 2008 and 2014, respectively.

      Now, South County coastal and coastal-adjacent communities like Laguna Niguel, Dana Point, San Clemente and San Juan Capistrano are looking into how they can legally address sober living homes to qualm resident’s grievances.

      http://www.ocregister.com/articles/sober-681723-homes-living.html

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    15. San Clemente is suing over sober houses.

      City Files Litigation Against Sober Living Facilities
      Since extending a moratorium on the establishment of sober living residences and addiction treatment facilities, the city of San Clemente has since filed lawsuits against several facilities since mid-August.

      Some of the facilities listed in closed session discussions from Tuesday’s City Council meeting include San Clemente Bonita Plaza, Sobertec LLC and 449 Recovery Inc.

      The city alleges the companies have violated municipal codes and, as part of the damages, they said the centers should close within the city limits or have a temporary injunction placed upon them. The extent of temporary injunctions was not explained in detail in the lawsuits.
      http://www.sanclementetimes.com/city-files-litigation-against-sober-living-facilities/

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  15. If I want to rent to 5 people in my house be they black,white,christian,muslim,hispanic,gay,recovering alcoholics,junkies or mentally challenged it is of no concern to me what my neighbors think of it, much less a bunch of anonymous cry babies

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    1. No. But as far as the junkies and alcoholics go the opinions of the police will probably matter more to you.

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    2. Sorry you can't. No boarding houses permitted in SM. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

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    3. You're lying again.Please see 5.08.020 of the municipal code.

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    4. Elaborate, 2:55. Can you give an address where a Sierra Madre boarding house is located?

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    5. Nope is the Pinney House one? It use to be.......

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    6. Pinney is a B&B.

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  16. A persistent troll is always good for the Tattler numbers.

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  17. Interesting meeting tonight.
    You readers have to stop looking at their website:
    http://www.dedicatotreatmentcenter.org/
    Yes, it's online, and yes there are newspaper ads, but they don't appreciate your scrutiny.

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