Tuesday, September 27, 2016

The Debate: Socrates Sums It Up


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Donald Trump’s first presidential debate confirmed he has no idea what he’s talking about (Vox)
Try to imagine yourself as a modern-day Rip Van Winkle awakening after a few years of hibernation. You weren’t following the election news, but you knew it was a big story, and so you tuned in to tonight’s first presidential debate to see what the hubbub was all about.

You’d be confused.

You’d quickly see that Hillary Clinton represents a familiar archetype. She’s been in American politics for a long time. She served as the nation’s top diplomat and as a United States senator. She sponsored bills and was part of diplomatic agreements. She spoke fluently about her ideas on a range of issues. She took some jabs at her opponents, and she was sometimes a little boring and in the weeds.

You would see, in other words, that the Democrats had nominated an experienced politician — it’s what you do.

The other party, by contrast, seems to have done something weird. Their nominee, Donald Trump, seems erratic — peevish, visibly annoyed at being referred to by his first name, lashing out at Rosie O’Donnell for some reason — and mired in controversy. 

Accused of practicing racial discrimination in his businesses, he says being sued by the federal government is “one of those things” and even though he paid up, there was “no admission of guilt.” Pressed to release his federal income tax returns, he said he can’t because he’s being audited, which really just seems like a confirmation that his returns would be interesting and worth seeing.

But beyond the personal controversies, he rather clearly has no idea what he’s talking about.

Mod: The rest of this article here.

The weekend America's newspapers called Donald Trump a liar (CNN Money)
On the weekend leading up to 2016's first presidential debate, four news organizations came to a similar and sweeping conclusion: Donald Trump lies more often than Hillary Clinton.

In a normal election year this would be extraordinary. On Sunday editors and reporters at the newsrooms used another word: necessary.

The New York Times story — "A Week of Whoppers" — came out first on Saturday. Politico, The Washington Post and The Los Angeles Times all followed within hours.

Several of the editors who were involved said the timing was a coincidence. But there was clearly a desire to publish stories before Monday's debate, when Trump and Clinton's truthfulness will surely be at issue.

"Never in modern presidential politics has a major candidate made false statements as routinely as Trump has," the L.A. Times declared on page one of Sunday's paper.

Politico Magazine's team analyzed every statement made by both Trump and Clinton for five days and said "the conclusion is inescapable: Trump's mishandling of facts and propensity for exaggeration so greatly exceed Clinton's as to make the comparison almost ludicrous."

The words "almost ludicrous" ricocheted around Twitter.

Politico found that Trump averaged "one falsehood every three minutes and 15 seconds over nearly five hours of remarks" while Clinton averaged one falsehood every twelve minutes.

Overall, the news outlet counted 87 "misstatements, exaggerations, falsehoods" from Trump and eight from Clinton.

The Times counted only Trump's "biggest whoppers," 31 of them, while skipping "dozens more."
All four of the newsrooms distinguished between the kind of misstatements Clinton makes and the kind Trump makes.

"Clinton has made her share of questionable claims," the Post said, but Trump "at times seems uniquely undeterred by facts."

The Post said Trump "continues to rely heavily on thinly sourced or entirely unsubstantiated claims."

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Is this a death threat?

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39 comments:

  1. Donnelly's comment is not fit for the public realm. Please remove it.

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  3. Looks like Tim just shot himself in the foot. Anybody forward that to the Secret Service yet?

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  4. You almost have to wonder if maybe the "T" in Tea Party now stands for Treason.

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  5. Realm?Secret Service?Treason? Are you two the New Weathermen?

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    1. Looks like it is going to be another hot day.

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  6. Tim Donnelly is a failed politician. Donnelly leverages hate and fear for his own political goals. Tim Donnelly is a scam artist. I still remember his motto: "Patriot, not politician." Truth is he became a politician. And the worst kind possible. Thankfully, Tim Donnelly no longer holds any type of elected office.

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    1. Tim Donnelly has quite a criminal record too. Donnelly left the University of Michigan (prematurely) due to committing larceny. Tiny Tim claims it was a prank; but tried to minimize and hide the conviction from the public, even while running for his failed governor campaign.

      In 2011, Donnelly took a loaded gun through an airport checkpoint.

      While on probation for the firearm conviction, Donnelly was videotaped firing a gun at a shooting range. He was never charged with a probation violation, however. Probably because he was good friends with San Bernardino County DA Mike Ramos.

      Further, Donnelly was fined for a campaign finance violation in 2014.

      So Tim Donnelly is a recidivist criminal.

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    2. Tim Donnelly is a fraud.

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  7. What is scary is that I have friends who are actually going to vote for Trump. They say Hillary is a liar! Remember when Donnelly got stopped at the Ontario airport because he had a gun? If you think the NRA and nutcase like this one have gone too far, vote for Anthony Portantino.

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  8. A death threat? All in how you choose to read it. Distasteful? You bet!

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    1. Any time you discuss a "dead" presidential candidate in the same sentence with guns, you are putting yourself in line for a visit from some very concerned Federal employees. Donnelly crossed a line. My guess is he is in trouble.

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  9. I know you'll tell me to go somewhere else; that I don't need to read your blog...I get that. But there are so many things you could be discussing...like how scripted Hillary was; a bar opening up in W. L.A. Where only good looking people, chosen by a panel, can attend...discriminatory, right? That 3 x's more people are beaten or stabbed to death than killed by rifles or shotguns; China's soaring debt is a big threat to the global economy; that the Obama administration is accusing Peter Thiels of racial discrimination; that 7 Afghan trainees with the Pentagon are missing...You can find anything you want on the web to back your opinions. A little work on your part would be nice.

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  10. Mr. Donnelly left Sacramento; its broken, can't be fixed. If you listen to the radio; you'll hear Mr. Donnelly. If you've been listening, then you know that you can sign a petition to stop the gun and ammo grab by this current Administration. Head to yoyr nearest gun store and add your name.

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    1. He left his Assembly seat to run for Governor and lost. So much for wanting to leave Sacramento. Then he ran for a seat in Congress and lost again. He is becoming the Harold Stassen of California.

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    2. Kind of sounds like what Obama did. Ran for the Presidential Office with no experience and won. Now look what a mess this Country is in. Hillary; a thirty years Politician, wants to continue the status quo. Will this change anything? NO.

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    3. The country is in far better shape now than it was when Obama first took office. Tangerine Trump is far more Shrub Bush than he is President Obama.

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    4. Who has experience to be president unless they are already president? Obama has a degree in international diplomacy, taught constitutional law at one of the worlds most prestigious schools, and was an elected official. You're a tool and a fool.

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  11. Anthony Portantino no longer has my vote; its the Democratic Party that came up with the dumb 710 tunnel plan.

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    1. Portantino opposes the 710 Tunnel. That half-senile idiot Antonovich supports it. Get your facts straight, fool.

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    2. That was Antonovich!

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    3. Antman loves the tunnel. It's where Antmen live.

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  12. Donald Trump's Remark About Paying Taxes Raises Eyebrows
    http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/2016-presidential-debates/presidential-debate-donald-trump-s-remark-about-paying-taxes-raises-n655261

    Pay your taxes, you bum.

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  13. Portantino lies. Hillary lies. As an member of the Independent Party; Portantino had my vote once. Not again.

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    1. American Independent Party?

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  14. Bush Jr. was more like Obama towards the end of his service; then he was like his dear old dad. So, its a fact that Obama inherited a bit of a mess. But then; with no experience in his background, has made things worse.
    So no; fool me once...shame on me. Fool me twice...shame on you. Fool me thrice; ain't happening.

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    1. Bush Sr. Is voting for Hillary. So I guess he hasn't been fooled at all.

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    2. Bush, Sr. is senile.

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  15. Hillary says she "boxed" Donald into admitting he may not have paid taxes.
    I don't want to pay taxes.

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    1. Yeah, but you pay them. Donald doesn't. He's a tax cheat and a deadbeat.

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    2. Trump obviously is from the Leona Helmsley school of thought about taxes - taxes are just for the little people to pay.

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    3. What do you hate America?

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    4. Loving America means Dump the Trump.

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    5. Why do you hate our troops 11:08?

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  16. Over hull the tax code.
    Why should i pay half of my earned money to Uncle Sam? Uncle Sam doesn't spend so wisely.
    Why don't "you" walk a mile in my shoes?
    I'll vote for the candidate that understands what its like to earn a paycheck.

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    1. Trump inherited a big chunk of cash from his daddy. You didn't know that? He's trust fund trash.

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  17. So Trumps daddy worked for a living; nothing wrong with that.
    Someone tell Hillary its time to get off the Government hand outs.

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    1. Trump's current daddy is Vladimir Putin.

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  18. Trump is saying he won the debate.
    This is the problem - he just makes stuff up.
    Facts don't exist in his world, just impulses and commitments to them. Very unnerving.

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