Monday, October 24, 2016

The Donut Hole in the City of Sierra Madre's Argument Supporting Measure M

Mod: I haven't been bagging on Sierra Madre City Hall very much lately. There is just so much else going on in the world right now. But when it is something as unfortunate as what follows below, well, it has to at least be noted. Here is how this week's City Council meeting staff report on the Measure M question inadvertently reveals what this unhappiness is all about (link).


Remember, the City of Sierra Madre has already spent a lot of money in the effort to defeat the 710 Tunnel. $50,000 is the number that comes to mind, though it could be more. Which in my opinion was a very good thing to do. It was money wisely spent.

However, here is the problem as I see it. While Los Angeles County authorities such as Metro and CalTRANS, along with such regional deplorables as SCAG, have worked very hard to assure people that Measure M funds will never be used in any way to help plan - or God forbid build - the 710 Tunnel, there is nothing at all about any restrictions on the already existing funds that this new sales tax revenue will likely free up. We're talking about Prop R and other similar money pots.

By using new Prop M moneys to pay for some of the things these other funds have been covering until now, couldn't that quite possibly free up some ready cash elsewhere to help push forward the 710 TunnelOf course it could. It would merely be a matter of shifting around some of those already existing revenues. And what control would you have over that?

Unlike with Measure M, there are no such restrictions in place for already existing fund sources such as Props R. Measure M will raise an additional $121 billion dollars. Wouldn't that free up a lot of cash from any previous propositions and tax money streams, money that could then easily be used in other ways?

And there is absolutely nothing anywhere that says any freed up funds from those other propositions and tax resources will never be used to help pay for the 710 Tunnel.

Better to just Vote NO. Why take the chance?

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47 comments:

  1. I'm for the tunnel.

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    1. Hello? What are your reasons for supporting the tunnel?

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    2. I live in Alhambra.

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    3. There are candidates in Alhambra running for City Council who are opposed to the tunnel. Hopeful they win.

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    4. Vote NO on Measure M

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  2. How can "you" free up "existing" funds; that clearly are under the first Measure R? Wouldn't these be already designated?
    Politicians do manipulate monies for "their" pet projects; and "they" do not put these tax payers dollars back up for public vote. But hey; this is the way Politicians behave, you need to pass something; before you understand, what you are voting on.

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    1. Measure R funding is in large part for "transportation." That could very well include the 710 tunnel. After all, the millions they have already spent on that project had to have come from somewhere, right?

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    2. Hey, you're the trump guy!

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  3. Maybe the arguments will be that the streets can not be repaired; Sierra Madre Madre gets a percentage of Measure R funds. Maybe the seniors and disabled will receive a break in transportation fees; if only there was transport ation meeting "there" needs.
    Maybe there will be citizens showing up to the meetings.
    Could be Measure M; is representation for maybe.

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  4. Politicians are voted into office in order to spend taxpayers dollars.

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  5. I recall reading about something on the order of 1800 trucks per hour will be dumped onto the 210, and surface streets clogged with toll avoiders. Do we really need or want the Antonovich Money Pit™?

    Antonovich won't even use it because he'll be flying high above it in tax payer funded fire department helicopters.

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    1. Remember that when you vote - vote for Anthony Portatino, who's running against Antonovich. We CAN make a difference by voting.

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    2. Vote NO on Measure M.

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  6. Measure M will allow other funds to be redirected towards the 710 Tunnel, along with other NEW HIGHWAY construction in this region with a "forever tax" that is unaccountable. This is in direct opposition to the promise to the voters that this measure will speed up mass transit development (light rail and buses). So vote NO

    http://www.dailynews.com/opinion/20161014/for-transit-la-county-can-do-better-than-measure-m-letters

    Seven southern Los Angeles County cities brought suit against Metro for bringing Measure M to the ballot box using misleading language. They did not prevail.

    http://www.presstelegram.com/opinion/20161014/long-beach-voters-should-say-no-to-la-countys-measure-m-guest-commentary

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    1. Thank you. I just marked my mail-in ballot "No." The advertising for Measure M is very deceptive.

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    2. Vote NO on Measure M.

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  7. I'm for the tunnel too
    But against trump

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    1. The 710 Tunnel is designed to bring the kinds of cheaply made foreign goods from the ports and into America that are killing our jobs.

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    2. Vote NO on Measure M.

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    3. That's the capitalist system. I want more trade. Your choice of a manufacturing job is your business. Sorry, but true.

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  8. I'm against the tunnel; but I'm for Trump.

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    1. I've asked this before. Can you picture Trump as president? He can't even answer a simple question, like on The Tonight Show, when the host showed him his Trump brand tie "Made in China," how could that be?

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    2. Vote NO on Measure M.

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  9. Only the Elites use the toll. The Highways are already paid for from taxes.
    Governor Jerry Brown is behind the Tunnel and Bullet Train; Hillary rents out Air Force One; for the Governor to "fly high".
    The cheaply made goods are because of Bill Clinton and his passing of NAFTA; which sends jobs over seas, because of regulations.
    So what's your real "beef"?

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    1. Actually the 710 tunnel process was set into motion by Arnold Schwartznegger. Blaming everything on Bill Clinton is intellectual feebleness.

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    2. Vote NO on Measure M.

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    3. More trumpet revisionist history for you… President Bush made the negotiation which was passed republican majorities in house and senate. It was a fait accompli when Clinton inherited

      Everyday you reveal your idiocy

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  10. Hillary supporters are wanting European Socialist Values for the U.S.;the there is hope, Europe is fading back from Socialism.

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    1. Thank you, Senator McCarthy.

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    2. Those were Bernie supporters.

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    3. Trump supporters are wanting the kinds of reactionary extremist race based policies now found in Vladimir Putin's Russia.

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    4. Vote NO on Measure M.

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  11. 10:34: Kindly explain how NAFTA had anything to do with your hero's decision to manufacture his clothing line overseas rather than in the good old USA.

    Kindly explain how NAFTA had anything to do with your hero's decision to use Chinese steel and aluminum, rather than American, when he built Trump International Hotel and Tower in Chicago (2009) and Trump International Hotel Las Vegas (2008), which are but recent examples. (To his credit, he purchased concrete from American companies, though in keeping with his character those companies reportedly are controlled by the Luchese and Genovese families.)

    As noted by Leo Gerard, president of the United Steelworkers Union, “Trump is a phony. And quote me on that. In every facet of his life, he’s never done anything for anybody but himself.” Gerard said Trump could’ve bought American steel. But he chose cheaper steel from China, then tried to hide it. “Consistent with his behavior — we see what he did in his clothing line, we see what he did in his furnishing line, and we’re seeing what he’s doing with manufacturing goods,” Gerard said.

    By using Chinese steel which is funded by Chinese banks that are controlled by the Chinese government, your hero was supporting communism.

    Why does your hero provide aid and comfort to communists?

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  12. Measure M says No NET REVENUE for SR-710...however the M also includes issuance of revenue bonds, therefore NO NET REVENUE going to SR-710...Bond Revenues....then in details MTA Board can change thing around later...another...funds for "Goods Movement"...600 lane miles of new roads...I-710/SR-710/I-210/SR-14/Hi Desert Corridor.....

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    1. So then why is the staff report pushing deceptive information?

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  13. 12:35. Do more investigation on what NAFTA is all about; you voted for it; you should understand what you voted for.

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    1. Standard troll dodge.

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    2. How many people who bitch about NAFTA drive import cars?

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  14. Wait how did he get to vote for NAFTA? I didn't get the opportunity?

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  15. Standard troll dodge, educate yourself ; yeah good one!

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  16. The Dirts = Democratic Party of Dirty Tricks. Hillary "Bottom" Clinton; Queen of Mean.

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  17. Metro's sales tax could reduce your time stuck in traffic by 15% — but not until 2057

    Vote NO on Measure M

    http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-metro-reduce-traffic-20161018-snap-story.html

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  18. Just when I thought it and safe again to read the blog, it is taken over by the nuts vs the crooks.No more, no more.
    You're all right on M. No on M.









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    1. LA County Public Works and Caltrans are plastering their walls with the proposed High Desert Corridor which will be financed with Measure M. they are already gaming up for overtime before the measure passes. The word is going around for everyone close to the policy maker (Antonovich) to purchase vast amount of lands along and surrounding the proposed corridor alignment so they can be purchased later on from them at an exorbitant prices. Antonovich and Barger are rallying hard for this measure so that the windfall they get from passing this measure can support Antonovich efforts for running for the State Senate. Smell 100% corruption with no real benefit to the people in the southland. Demand accountability, Vote No on Measure M.

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