Monday, December 19, 2016

Spend Your Electoral College Day With Snopes.com

Mod: The chances that the Electoral College will produce enough Republican defectors to overturn Donald Trump's presidential victory today are not all that good. However, since this is a fellow that many Americans feel is uniquely unqualified to serve as President of the United States, and perhaps even dangerously so (link), hope springs eternal. Snopes.com, an organization that fact checks the news in a world where so much of that stuff really does require a second look, reported on the following.

Electoral Fallout - Law professor Larry Lessig claims that at least twenty Republican electors are considering abandoning the President-elect (link):


ORIGIN: On 13 December 2016, Harvard law professor Larry Lessig announced that he was aware of "at least twenty Republican Electors who are seriously considering voting their conscience — and not voting for Donald J. Trump."

Lessig launched an organization called Electors Trust, where he offers members of the Electoral College — who are scheduled to cast their votes on 19 December 2016 — legal counsel and support for potentially rejecting the votes in their state and refusing to cast their ballots for Trump, thereby blocking him from being elected (a failsafe that was written into the Constitution, but has never been used to overturn a presidency).

In a press statement, Lessig said:

"Obviously, whether an elector ultimately votes his or her conscience will depend in part upon whether there are enough doing the same. We now believe there are more than half the number needed to change the result seriously considering making that vote."

Trump won enough votes in key states to achieve the 270 electoral votes needed to win the election. His victory was not without contention; shortly thereafter, Green Party candidate Jill Stein filed petitions for vote recounts in swing states Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan. Now, Lessig believes he can convince 37 electors to cast "faithless" votes and strip Trump of the victory.

Whether it's true that Lessig has 20 electors on board is impossible to verify unless they make themselves public. So far, only one Republican elector has publicly stated he will not vote for Trump Chris Suprun of Texas.

The effort seems unlikely to be successful. While Trump's rival, Hillary Clinton, won the popular vote by roughly 2.8 million votes as of 15 December 2016, Clinton has not contested the election results. Current President Barack Obama has also made it clear there is no question that Trump will succeed him. But Lessig called the ability of electors to take the election away from Trump a "constitutional emergency brake":

"Never in our history has the argument for electors exercising their independent judgment been as overwhelmingly strong—because of the concerns about foreign involvement in our election, because of Mr. Trump’s refusal to comply with constitutional limitations on foreign assets, and because of the overwhelming popular vote margin by his opponent."

Some states require electors by law to vote the way their state voted (although the penalties to vote against their state are relatively low). According to an NPR analysis, that leaves 155 who would still be able to change their votes — however unlikely the prospect seems.

Mod: So there you go. Probably won't happen, but there are those who are trying anyway. And, of course, you never know what might be going on behind the scenes. 

Putin To Sing At Trump Inauguration (The Borowitz Report link): After having difficulty persuading prominent entertainers to participate at the event, the Trump transition team announced on Sunday that the Russian President Vladimir Putin would sing at Donald J. Trump’s Inauguration next month.

In a brief statement from the Kremlin, Putin said, “I will be most delighted to perform for my comrade.”

The choice of Putin raised eyebrows in Washington, since the Russian, while famous for invading neighboring countries and imprisoning political opponents, is not particularly well known as a singer.

The Trump adviser Kellyanne Conway pushed back against such criticism during an appearance on CNN. “If we limited ourselves to people who had talent and experience, that would disqualify half of our Cabinet,” she said.

Putin’s choice of musical material also stirred controversy, as politicians on both sides of the aisle questioned his plan to perform the Russian national anthem.

According to those critics, the spectacle of Putin praising the glory and majesty of Russia in song would be inappropriate for the Inauguration of an American President.

In an attempt to quell that controversy, Putin said late on Sunday that he would instead serenade Trump by singing the Bette Midler classic, “Wind Beneath My Wings.”

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47 comments:

  1. Republican candidates for president have won the national popular vote only once since 1988. 1 in 7 elections.

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    1. That's why the Democrats love immigration and why they are incentivized to have more people dependent upon the government. The electoral college is the only thing standing between our founding principles and Los Angeles and New York City always dictating the final outcome of a Presidential election because of their huge populations of people who will always vote democratic to get the government handout. That and the public employee unions whose members want to retire at 50 with a 6-figure pension for life. That's the Democratic Party in California. We may be past the point now where you have more people in the wagon than there are pulling the wagon.

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    2. I know what wagon you're pulling. And it is full of Breitbart racially charged BS. Just admit it. The reason why you support an electoral college that reduces the vote of each individual in the two states you hate so much to 2/3s per person is a lot of them aren't white. The Electoral College that you love so much was a slave-era solution. Pretty wild that it still performs that same function today.

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    3. The Electoral College was explicitly designed to protect slavery
      https://www.rawstory.com/2016/12/the-electoral-college-was-explicitly-designed-to-protect-slavery/

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    4. Donald Trump lost California by a 2-1 margin, the worst loss for a major-party presidential nominee here since 1936.

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    5. Well folks California is not the whole country. The Electoral College has been in place since 1787 and now its a problem? How does it protect slavery? We fought a war from 1861 to 1865 if you recall, part of that war ended slavery. The 13th amendment to the constitution officially ended it. Are there still slaves in America? Stop crying, accept the outcome like the rest of us did both times Obama was elected. We did not like the outcome but we moved on.

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    6. Slave owners were awarded a 2/3s vote for their human property under the Electoral College back in the day. In California or New York your vote is worth 2/3s under the Electoral College when compared to places like Iowa. The effect now is to diminish the vote of high population states with big minority populations. The results being the election of a complete asshole that received 3 million votes less than his opponent. I doubt you'll be able to understand that, but I thought I'd try anyway. Merry Christmas.

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    7. Do you think I don't understand you or do you hope I don't. This was not an issue when Clinton and Obama were elected. No one brought it up or questioned the Electoral College. But now, because you don't like the outcome you want to change the rules.

      Merry Christmas to you as well.

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    8. When Bill Clinton and Obama were elected they won the popular vote as well. A lot of people believe the peoples' choice deserves the White House.

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    9. I agree that it should be peoples choice as well. The reality is that our system is, and has been, the Electoral College. It has never been questioned before now.

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    10. You're kidding, right!

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    11. I don't think he's kidding. I think he's right.

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  2. During their three terms in office George Bush and his father collectively took over 1,050 vacation days. In his two terms Obama took about 220.

    You right wing extremists are always the loudest while being the least accurate.

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  3. Just my gut feeling...I think this thing is going to go to the House of Reps. If it doesn't, the vote will be very close...IMO.

    As I said, just a gut feeling.

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  4. New home grown terriost, move on "dot" org. Dosn't the "org" entitle that group to be tax free? Threatening physical carnage to the Elector's if they don't change their vote. This is what the liberal side of politics has produced. Haters.

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  5. The entitled whinny, crying babies or liberals are continuing to tantrum.

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    1. The word you are stretching for here is spelled "whiney." Whinny is something a horse does. Which, coming from you, makes sense since you are such a horse's ass.

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    2. Maybe 8:20 did not spell "whiney" like it is supposed to be. But he is spot on about you floks. Like a petulant child you resort to insults and foul language. Hard take you seriously.

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    3. You complain about foul language, yet you call people "floks?" Hippycrit.

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  6. The in coming White House Press Corp nervous. President Trump could and should) cancel "traditional" news breifs; or make big changes on how information is delivered out to the public.

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    1. Yes. His twittering is the wonder of the world. Well, maybe not.

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    2. If Trump has no relationship with the media, there will be no way for him to control it. It isn;t like he can hold back interviews and favors.

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  7. Obama taking 220 days vacation is a laugh. You are right, that every time he and his family took a trip, Obama would stop in to say Hi... anywhere a Veterans Hospital, Military base anything related to Government. That way the "trips" were charged back to the American public.

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    1. You are upset with Obama visiting with injured servicemen? Damn.

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  8. Are you upset with Obama's very strong speech he just gave, where he directed his comments to Russia, shook his finger andviyi said; "just cut it out". With the possible interference of hacking Government computers.
    Meanwhile, Trump needs 260 votes from the Electoral vote; projected to receive 302 votes.

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    1. Pray that there are still some Republicans out there with priciples left.

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    2. Oh how scary! "Just cut it out" doesn't even work with my 3 year old, LOL. The Russians must be laughing their as* off. The most ineffective POTUS since Jimmy C.

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    3. The Russians are way too happy about Trump. America just fell into the hands of a fool, and they couldn't be happier.

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  9. Pray that the Elites and many in the Democratic Party stop "feeling" entitled and out of touch.

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    1. Trump hired the elites. If you think he gives a damn abouy you then you are a fool.

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    2. Absolutely amazing the way the 1 percenter Trump has bamboozled people into thinking he's not one of the "elite."
      Amazing.

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    3. And Pres O hired politians. Look what we got for four years.

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    4. Low unemployment, booming stock market, strong economy. Oh, and endless poorly spelled whining from the likes of 5:47.

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  10. Mr. Moderator...since you no longer live in Sierra Madre, and apparently can't find anything about Sierra Madre to write about any more, you need to change the title of your blog to more accurately reflect your missives.

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    1. You sure? I thought I could call it pretty much anything I liked.

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    2. Amen, Mod :)
      Thanks for these many years of an excellent blog.

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    3. Funny thing about that ... the Publisher and Editor of the duly adjucated Mount Views News, Ms. Susan Henderson, is no longer a resident of Sierra Madre but no one denies her the right to spread untruths and innuendo. It's a good guess that very few publishers and/or editors live in the community to which their stories are directed, in fact aren't most news sources attenuated toward a wide range of readers: local, regional, county, state, national, international? Gone are the one town/one paper days. In fact, gone are the days of paper.

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    4. 4:44 - start your own blog, you can do it! Just please no whining. We get enough of that these days.

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    5. 4:44 - please posts all the blog rules here so we can live our lives strictly by the blogging code.

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  11. Voting complete: Spotted Eagle (1), Colin Powell(3), Hillary Clinton (0), Donald J. Trump -The President.
    Obama, just gave the most Presidential pardens in one day (148 - drug related)Oh; and he is on vacation. So he's "working" and the taxpayers will pick up the expense of the family outing.

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    1. Trump kid is serving up both whine and cheese tonight.

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    2. I think he has squatted into a puddle of his own madness.

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  12. Those of you who are upset with this morning's Electoral College results might take solace in the fact that you are not alone. May I suggest an inoculation of "the resistance" by Keith Olberman which can be found on you tube. Keith's intellectual insight has bolstered me in these dark days.

    Good bye and good luck.

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  13. Is Keith the newscaster that felt that tingle up his leg when Obama was sworn in ?

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    1. You're just projecting, 7:59. Got a big crush, huh?

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  14. If Ms. Henderson doesn't live in town but collect$ money for being adjucated, why doesn't the Council print ordinances and legal notices with a less expensive venue?

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  15. Celebrating yes, but Trump kid having a boiler maker and wishing you all a Merry Christmas.

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