Tuesday, January 17, 2017

CalExit: Why Russia Loves the Idea of California Seceding

Mod: So is this yet another Hate America initiative that has its origins in Russia? Is anybody starting to pick up on a theme here? Why would California break away from the United States? Why would anyone here actually advocate for such a thing? Perhaps the better question to ask is who would it help? Not us.

Why Russia Loves the Idea of California Seceding (Politico.com link): On a sunny late September day, a trio of tourists gathered on Moscow’s Red Square. Well-dressed, carrying a Russian flag, the visitors bunched in front of the Kremlin’s walls to snap a selfie. Like so many others before, the man taking the photo, Louis Marinelli, took to his Twitter account, and shared the shot for the world.

But Marinelli wasn’t your average American tourist, and neither were his friends. That weekend, Marinelli was ensconced in a conference room in the capital, where he delivered a speech for an unusual cause: the secession of California from the United States. “As not only a representative of the nation of California, but also as the founder and the leader of the independence movement as recognized by the state of California itself, it is my honor to speak on behalf of my people at this conference on the right of self-determination,” Marinelli told his audience. “Our campaign exists to explain why we should free ourselves from the shackles of statehood, and instead embrace the freedoms of nationhood.”

Marinelli, 30, was an unlikely messenger for the “Calexit” cause. He doesn’t live in California. He lives in Yekaterinburg—about 1,000 miles from Moscow—with his Russian wife. But it was not surprising that he had found a platform for his YesCalifornia movement in Moscow. Secession is a popular topic here—as long as it’s from someone else’s country. The Dialogue of Nations Conference, which attracted separatist-minded contingents from Ireland, Spain and Italy, was hosted by a man named Alexander Ionov, whose group had used money from the Kremlin to pay the travel expenses of one of Marinelli’s pals from Red Square: Nate Smith. Smith is one of the leaders of Texas Nationalist Movement that’s pushing to—you guessed it—break away from the United States.

The strategic advantage of making an argument for the secession of an American state to an audience in central Moscow is hard to gauge; after all, it’s voters in the States who would decide this matter. But the value to Russian interests seems more obvious, at least in the estimation of the leader of a separate and competing California secession movement, who actually lives in the state.

YesCalifornia isn’t a Californian movement,” said Jed Wheeler, the general secretary of the California National Party. “YesCalifornia is a movement whose optics are all designed for a Russian audience to reinforce [Vladimir] Putin, by talking about…how terrible America is, and reinforcing [the idea that] Putin is this great guy who is admired all over the world.”

While the conference was going on, of course, the Kremlin-led hacking campaign against the Democratic National Committee was having its effect on the American presidential election, a provocation that has unwound relations between Moscow and Washington (with the exception of the president-elect) to their lowest levels since the pre-Gorbachev days. Since the election, while Washington (again with the exception of the president-elect) debates what the response should be for Russia’s meddling in the American political process, Marinelli and his handful of supporters are flaunting their ties with Russia, or at least the ones they hope to build. To that end, in mid-December, Marinelli held a news conference, helpfully covered by the state-run RT television station, declaring the opening of a “California Embassy” in Moscow.

It would be easy to dismiss all this as nonsense driven by publicity-hungry amateurs, but people who know the Russian political playbook say winking at these fringe movements—and even giving them a boost—is a part of a very real strategy. Not only is this a way of puffing Russia’s domestic claims at turmoil in the U.S., but it fits firmly within the Kremlin’s modus operandi of cultivating fringe groups in the West—including, most especially, those who would fracture the United States in a reprise of the Soviet Union’s demise, over a quarter-century later.

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56 comments:

  1. Keep Tweeting CheetomanJanuary 17, 2017 at 5:46 AM

    Trump: Approval polls are rigged against me

    President-elect Donald Trump on Tuesday tweeted that approval rating polls are rigged against him, as a series of polls show him with historically low approval as he enters office.

    “The same people who did the phony election polls, and were so wrong, are now doing approval rating polls. They are rigged just like before,” Trump wrote.

    A CNN/ORC poll released Tuesday morning showed Trump with 40 percent approval — six points lower than it was after Election Day, and lower than the last three presidents. More than half of respondents said they are less confident in Trump’s ability to do the job of president due to his statements since becoming president-elect.

    An ABC News/Washington Post poll also released Tuesday found just 40 percent respondents approved of how Trump has handled his presidential transition, and 54 percent viewed him unfavorable. In comparison, the last four presidents all had approval ratings of at least 72 percent for how they handled their transitions.

    http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/314513-trump-approval-polls-are-rigged-against-me

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  2. Good point. When America is made to feel fractured, crazy stuff like trump happens which weakens us and strengthens others. But Cali will never secede because the port of Long Beach is to economically strategic and other areas militarily strategic to the us. Better to just focus on repairing the fracture. We all in it together .

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  3. Did this make the ballot? 2019 is a ways off.

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  4. Divide et impera!

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  5. Trump finally has his first press conference in 1/2 a year? Wasn't some kid whining on here every day because Clinton did the same? Why silent now? Same swamp .

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    1. Donald is not emotionally equipped to deal with the press.

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    2. He isn't emotionally equipped to deal with the presidency, either. This country is in deep doo doo.

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  6. "A time is coming when men will go mad,..."

    "...and when they see someone who is not mad, they will attack him saying, 'You are mad, you are not like us'."
    -- St. Anthony of the Desert

    In Robert Heinlein's Future History series there was a period he called the crazy years, maybe that is us, now.

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  7. Putin - friend
    Climate change - hoax
    Black lives - hate group
    Mosca- loves Encinitas already

    So much propaganda has poisoned the mainstream.

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    1. Troubled times indeed.
      "...a world with increasingly porous boundaries between facts and beliefs, a world in which individualized notions of reality, no matter how bizarre or irrational, are repeatedly validated."
      Seth Mnookin, The Panic Virus

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  8. When you have so much wealth (6th) won't some one else want it...attack us and where will our Military defense come from? Marine base in 29 Palms, Camp Pendleton, Edwards Air Force Base, and others...with personel from other states...how many of them are "citizens" of California? Now we have mercenaries to defend us? Huh?

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    1. They're not upset about wealth- they're upset about wealth gained at the exploitation of others. That's the cause of the imbalance that creates conflict

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  9. Break America up again.

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  10. Wonder how Russia would feel if, say, Crimea wanted to "secede."

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  11. The sad state we're in--where beliefs are more important than facts, where those who profit by destroying industries and economies are revered as successful and even saviors by the very people they have been ruined, where win at all costs for party is more important than patriotism and our national interests--can all be traced back to our preference to teach our children magical thinking instead of critical thinking skills. We reap what we sow.

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  12. Great way to get your vacation paid for. Marinelli was intune with the DNC and the Tattler postings on Secession of California. He must have read past articles. The negative posting of attitudes towards the incoming forty fifth President lends to the "Progressive" group think comrade.

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  13. Farewell tour. Enough already. President Obama interups his press Secretory in a surprise visit. President Obama steps up to the press podium to thank Josh Earnest. Can anyone say: He just can't stay out of the "lime light". Joe Mosca and Hussian Obama both just will not go away.

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    1. Where are you from? You're grammar consistently suggest you're not of American birth or that English is a second language to you. So where are you from?

      And why are you obsessed with mispelling the name that only racists still use against our president?

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    2. 10:33 is a harmless crank.

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  14. California breakaway? Really? Lol

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  15. Obama put the usofa in 15 trillion in debt and made our military much weaker. Thank you Democrats for voting for Hussain Obama.

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    1. The GOP just did the same thing. You really don't understand there is no difference? Is it the team colors that got you?

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    2. Obama doesn't pass the budget- congress does and they've been republican controlled his entire time in office. Congress also controls defense spending and approved a budget exceeding what the even pentagon asked for. And we already spend exponentially more than end other nation on defense

      Really, enough already with your idiocy.

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    3. They don't do accuracy on Fox News. It puts people like 11:01 at a distinct disadvantage.

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  16. And Hillary's pay-to-play apparatus is now going out of business. Clinton Global Initiative is closing shop and hundreds of millions in foreign donations are being withdrawn since there won't be any influence to be purchased. So sad.

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    1. Utter nonsense. Haven't your Russian bosses gotten you some new talking points? This one is way beyond its freshness dating.

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    2. I'm sad to hear this- and trump university closed too!

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    3. What a fine educational opportunity was lost.

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  17. "Bring back accountability", Pres. Elect Trump will be addressing over the years in office, cutting out government non- essential workers. Cutting up to 20% from Federal employees. THANK-YOU.

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    1. He will also be making America Great Again by stealing grampa's Medicare and Social Security. His heart is as big as his hands.

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    2. 12:11 That will not happen. If SS is broke, it is because past administrations did two things. 1. Used SS funds for other purposes. 2. Added many programs to the original program. I am on SS and Medicare which is very expensive for quality coverage and I am not the least bit worried that people will lose their benefits. Cutting government workers and their bloated benefits will go a long way in trimming costs. Grampa is going to be ok. In fact if you are lucky enough to have parents or grandparents, give them a call and say HI. It's a much better use of your time.

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    3. Trump is going to turn Social Security over to Goldman Sachs. This visionary idea was first proposed by George W. Bush, but sadly the economy collapsed and it got put on the back burner. Expect to see Count Dracula Ryan drop the paperwork on Trump's desk for his signature in a twinkle.

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  18. 11:01, You have no idea how powerful our military is. We have the most powerful armed force in the world. We have the power to take on any war that may be sent at us. We have fighting tools that far exceeds what you think you know about. Right now the best tool the enemy has against the United States is to divide and conquer. I just hope that Trump never sees what our total war machine can do, he would spill the beans and probably mess his pants.

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  19. Another fine example (11:27am) that INTOLERANCE is owned by the Liberals.

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    1. Happy Birthday to animal activists and actress Betty White.

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    2. Transformation from a man to a women, financed from the pockets of tax payers. Transformation from a traitor to a freed man/woman under the world according to Obama. Chelsea Manning's sentence for leaking Army documents, commuted.

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    3. I'm definitely intolerant of some anonymous tool intentionally mispelling the president's name in a derogatory fashion. But I'm not a liberal.

      So where you from?

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  20. http://militarycouncil.ca.gov/s_californiamilitarybases.php

    I don't think you can extract California from the USofA and these Federal military installations. What about National Forests, Park, Historical areas, etc?

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  21. Woohoo! Obama just freed what's his/her name Manning.

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    1. Meanwhile swamp-thing Trump being consulted by the slimy guy from Blackwater. So much corruption. Thanks to manning for being a true American hero and revealing the traitors within our systems

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    2. And you think trump is bad, look at this. Then why does Obama feel he had to go on TV to tell all the good he has done. Just waiting for the inauguration!

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    3. 4:18 you think Obama is more conceited than trump? Really?

      Meaningless drivel

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    4. Well, finally our Irish prez (O'Bama) did something that will actually save the taxpayers some money. Now, Bradley will have to come up with his/her own $100K for the re-plumbing to officially become Chelsea. Yay!

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  22. 4:01pm. Tokyo Rose never smelled so sweet.
    Chelsea Rose sounds like a perfectly good moniker for him.

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    1. more of a hero than you'll ever be

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    2. 5:31, I'm sure the only thing you know how to define as a hero is a sandwich.

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  23. 5:59 = more meaningless swamp burbling

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    1. 6:55 I'm sure you are an established expert on all things related to swamps. Drink a double!

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    2. I'm sure that comeback was as lame as your first one

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  24. It did not matter who was the winner for president. The design is to divide America and it's working. Reading what you people are writing about just shows that. Would you people please not let your prejudices get in the way of seeing the facts. I know some of you have such great hate you can't see the truth if it hit you in the face. Some of you call your self christians, I think not.

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    1. As you can see, it does matter who the rightful winner was.

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    2. Yes. The one who got 3 million more votes than the illegitimate one.

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  25. You must be a federal employee and hopefully you and your job will be retired. You and you pension are also part of the problem.

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    1. You mean, like a mailman?

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  26. Obama actually forced Assange's hand with the Manning pardon. Clever.

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