Saturday, January 28, 2017

So the Republicans are not going to Repeal Obamacare?

Mod: The Republicans are not having too easy a time getting rid of Obamacare. They might not be able to repeal it at all. After all, taking away the health care of 20 or so million people is not going to sit well with the voters. There is also the matter of a secret tape that just emerged where GOP leaders are heard admitting some of these very things. Damned if they do, and damned if they don't! 

Secret Recording of GOP Lawmakers Reveals They Lied to the American Public (Groopspeak.com linkThe Washington Post has obtained a secret recording of a closed-door meeting between Republican lawmakers – and it reveals them expressing serious doubts about how they are going to live up to their promises to the American people of getting rid of Obamacare, while at the same time initiating a replacement without creating chaos.

In the recording, a number of concerns were raised, but chief among them was how they were going to do this in a way that wouldn’t hurt them when the next election comes up.

What’s most striking about the conversations, however, was that key Republicans admitted that they didn’t know what to do as far as a replacement plan is concerned.

They discussed how to prepare a plan – a plan that they should have already figured out. Keep in mind – they have been talking about repeal and replace for quite a long time now, but they still don’t seem to have their agenda sorted out.

According to the Post, they are still determining how to avoid damage to the health insurance market, how to keep premiums affordable, and how to get away with defunding Planned Parenthood without it hurting them politically.  Congressman John Faso (R-N.Y.) touched on this latest point:

“We are just walking into a gigantic political trap if we go down this path of sticking Planned Parenthood in the health insurance bill,” he said. “If you want to do it somewhere else, I have no problem, but I think we are creating a political minefield for ourselves — House and Senate.”

The recording took part during a Republican Party policy retreat in Philadelphia. It’s not sure who sent the recording to the Post yet. It was sent to several news outlets from an anonymous email address. The Post took the extra step of confirming the recording by calling their offices, though, and it is legit.

“The fact is, we cannot repeal Obamacare through reconciliation,” said McClintock in the meeting. “We need to understand exactly, what does that reconciliation market look like? And I haven’t heard the answer yet.”

Rep. Tom MacArthur even expressed Democratic sentiment, and agreed with the notion that the GOP’s plan would eliminate health coverage for 20 million Americans, even those covered under Medicaid:

“We’re telling those people that we’re not going to pull the rug out from under them, and if we do this too fast, we are in fact going to pull the rug out from under them.”

Republicans promised their voters that they would replace Obamacare immediately and are trying to take steps to do that – but the truth is they can’t. Speaker Paul Ryan has already stated that they won’t repeal without a replacement plan. This recording proves they aren’t even close to establishing a way forward yet.

Behind closed doors, Republican lawmakers fret about how to repeal Obamacare (Washington Post link): Republican lawmakers aired sharp concerns about their party’s quick push to repeal the Affordable Care Act at a closed-door meeting Thursday, according to a recording of the session obtained by The Washington Post.

The recording reveals a GOP that appears to be filled with doubts about how to make good on a long-standing promise to get rid of Obamacare without explicit guidance from President Trump or his administration.

The thorny issues with which lawmakers grapple on the tape — including who may end up either losing coverage or paying more under a revamped system — highlight the financial and political challenges that flow from upending the current law.

Senators and House members expressed a range of concerns about the task ahead: how to prepare a replacement plan that can be ready to launch at the time of repeal; how to avoid deep damage to the health insurance market; how to keep premiums affordable for middle-class families; even how to avoid the political consequences of defunding Planned Parenthood, the women’s health-care organization, as many Republicans hope to do with the repeal of the ACA.

The concerns of rank-and-file lawmakers appeared to be at odds with key congressional leaders and Andrew Bremberg, a top domestic policy adviser to Trump, who have laid out plans to repeal the ACA using a fast-track legislative process and executive actions from the administration. However, these leaders acknowledged in Thursday’s meeting, as they have before, that Obamacare cannot be fully undone — or replaced — without Democratic cooperation.

That and other aspects of the unfinished GOP plan prompted several wary lawmakers to urge their leaders to move more deliberately — even as the Trump administration appears to be moving ahead with repeal. Thursday, the White House ordered federal health officials to immediately halt all advertising and other outreach activities for the critical final days in which Americans can sign up for 2017 health coverage through Affordable Care Act marketplaces.

The administration partly retracted that directive on Friday, allowing the Department of Health and Human Services to continue to contact people eligible for ACA coverage by email, text and automated phone calls, and reviving use of a HealthCare.gov Twitter account.The new directive also allows airing of some ads if the government would otherwise lose the money it paid for them upfront.

Mod: Poor swamp creatures.

AP-NORC Poll: Broad worries about potential health care loss (Associated Press link): Though "Obamacare" still divides Americans, a majority worry that many will lose coverage if the 2010 law is repealed in the nation's long-running political standoff over health care.

A new poll by the Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research finds that 56 percent of U.S. adults are "extremely" or "very" concerned that many will lose health insurance if the health overhaul is repealed. That includes more than 8 in 10 Democrats, nearly half of independents, and more than 1 in 5 Republicans. Another 45 percent of Republicans say they're "somewhat" concerned.

"No one should go without health care for even a day," said Wendy Narug of DeMotte, Indiana, a small town south of Gary. A political independent who leans Republican, Narug works caring for people with disabilities. She favors repealing the Obama health law, but not until Congress and President Donald Trump have a replacement ready.

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54 comments:

  1. Can someone please notify the Dump 'administration' that we've had zero attacks in America by Syrian refugees? Those old and near helpless poor souls wanting out of that war torn country sure don't look threatening.

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    1. Somebody has to take the blame for Trump's insane first week. Might as well be people who had nothing to do with it.

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    2. Tell that to the people at the German Christmas market who were slaughtered by a truck driven by a refugee. Sorry but I don't want to take that chance with anyone who wants to impose sharia law on this country. If they want to try to conqueror us by war that's fine. Let them try. Let's not have conquest by immigration.

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    3. No Irish need apply.

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    4. Yeah; it's ashame that under the Obama Administration all most all of the Syrian refugees were slaughtered. Now only a few Christian Syrians remain, because like most cleansings one group is singled out.
      Under Obama, these Terriost have built up their strengths knowing they would not be fought by "Mr. No Drama" and now "they" can attack from within.

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    5. Donald Trump's father figure Vladimir Putin had a lot to do with it as well.

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    6. 7:30 & 7:33
      You guys are ridiculous. No refugee want to impose sharia. That's an extremist propaganda myth. Either way the constitution provide for separation of church and state so we could never happen. If you don't want them immigrating here stop bombing them in overthrowing their governments

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    7. 8:18, the mass murders in France were carried out in part by people who had posed as migrants.

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    8. France has a nasty history of meddling in north Africa. They were warned in 2015 not to send troops or there would be retaliation. And so it proved true .

      But none of that has anything to do with your your paranoia of somehow sharia law will replace our Constitution

      Educate yourself

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    9. 11:09, you don't understand the theology of fundamentalist Islamic terrorists, or as you might call them, Islamic freedom fighters. Read The Looming Tower. And don't think for a moment that you are safe from their holy war, no matter who you are or where your sympathies lie. They have made it legitimate to kill fellow Muslims along with everyone else.

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  2. Just like CalPERS, created by those lawmakers from the Democratic Party, Obama Care is catastrophe and created by Democrats in order to rip apart the middle class. Sounds like the Dems really do relate to Russia best, "they" want all citizens to be equal in wealth and have designed these programs, without reading "them" first to understand what these programs would really do...
    Maybe now you "get it" why Donald Trump was elected.
    Your lead into todays posts, suggest that you don't.
    Americans should be united and not the baby whiny divisions of Party affiliate.
    If the lazy Congress had worked together on Healthcare, "they" might have only written policies for the "20 million" or so, uninsured and figured different venues options of payment. Not this turn everyone's health options into a mandate and screw the middle class.
    The homeless population continues to increase and remain uninsured. They will have to pay the government penalties for not being insured, just as soon as the government builds them housing so that they will and can receive their bill.

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    1. Actually Donald Trump was not elected. He lost by 3 millions votes. He was appointed by the Electoral College, which is not the same as actually being the choice of the people. And if Obama Care is such a problem for the American people as the above alternative facts commenter suggests, why is it so popular? The fact that the Republican leadership in Congress is wetting itself in fear over having to tamper with it is a good indication of how things are in this country right now.

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    2. Your drivel doesn't add up kid

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    3. Funny how they never articulate just how Romney-Obamacare is a disaster. They just say it because Fox put it in their undiscerning minds.

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  3. Just think, Trump has not completed his first hundred days and even more will be happening, can't wait. The end is near...or the sky is falling.

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    1. I've seen enough. Get the guys with the butterfly nets.

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    2. Talked to a few Army recruiters, word is the Draft is near. Right from the horses mouth. They said theres a extreme need for a influx of new recruits, There numbers haven't been this bad in memory. Nobody is hitting the minimum recruitment numbers needed, And that goes for all the services.

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    3. Their numbers had been bad throughout the whole iraq war
      Because the majority of the people noon the whole thing was a scam

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    4. Going to need some fresh cannon fodder when Trump sends in the troops to take Iraq's oil.

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    5. I feel a case of the heel spurs coming on.

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  4. Just because Republicans may be having trouble getting rid of Obamacare doesn't make Onamacare any better. The law stinks for everyone but the 20 million who now have their health insurance paid with other people's money.

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    1. Clearly you have no knowledge of how the affordable care act works

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    2. There was a news story a few days ago where people who voted for the Tangerine Nightmare had no idea Obamacare and the ACA are the same thing. Now they're shocked and dismayed.

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  5. Dying to make America great again?January 28, 2017 at 7:38 AM

    Obamacare Repeal: What Happens to People With Pre-Existing Conditions?
    http://time.com/money/4632898/obamacare-affordable-care-act-repeal-what-happens-preexisting-conditions/

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  6. Having Dick Cheney say you have gone too far, is like having Charlie Sheen tell you that you drink too much and need to cut back on the recreational drugs. It's Bizarro World.

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    1. Of course Dick Cheney would say that because he no longer has Influence in the White House like he has in every Republican administration since Vietnam

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  7. Education Dept. RPT: Billions spent by Obama Administration on failing schools yields little results. FOX NEWS.

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    1. Yes. One of the key indicators of the failure of these schools is so many of their students go on to be Fox News watchers.

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    2. Million spent by FOXNews to end sexual harassment lawsuits with little results

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  8. So, I should thank the Democratic Administration for educating me with one out of two conservative news organizations. The left leaning news organizations number around eighteen. Now I understand that I am an indicator! Thank gosh I was taught to count up to two with great english skills run on sentences and punctuations in my typos. Throw the money around...Get Educated!

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  9. We would have a very different system if Congressmen and -women would only be allowed to the worst health care plan that is available to the public.

    All men are created equal...

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    1. How about no health care coming with the job? That would be effective.

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    2. Actually I don't think any employer should have to worry about providing their employees with healthcare. It should be strictly between the government and the citizen

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  10. Prior to Obamacare I paid $800 for health insurance for my wife and I. Obamacare went into effect, now my monthly health insurance increased to $1800 aonth for the same coverage. My wife and I now pay $1000 a month for others who choose not to work and must be on welfare. Mucho bull shit!

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    1. Sure. I believe you. Sort of.

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    2. I never figured anyone was going to help me with a damn thing, so I have always just paid a lot for health care insurance. However, I have heard from a friend who is a doctor that what happened to 9:28 is very wide spread. The people who do not go on ACA are the people who pay for the subsidies that make it possible.
      Our real problem is the cost of health care. The ACA was insurance reform, and a good step, but it wasn't health care reform - until we address the doctors and the insurance company executives and the higher ups in the pharmaceutical companies all being millionaires, nothing will change.

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    3. 9:28 AM

      Your story does not add up. Healthcare costs in general go up, because the populace is getting older and medical advances help to keep the very sick alive longer.
      For Obamacare, there are four tiers and even the highest tier is not anywhere close where you claim to be.

      "At the platinum tier, a 30-year-old nonsmoker will pay about $553 a month for coverage in 2017, up 15 percent over 2016. Platinum plans will see the greatest increase in deductible amount, but platinum plans have historically low deductibles to begin with. In 2017, the individual deductible jumps 74 percent to $405 compared to $233 in 2016."

      This is actually less than most employers and employees are paying for their health insurance.

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    4. Why don't you just participate in your working wife's plan?

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    5. So after more than a few years of Romney-Obamacare, we began hearing about premium increases in the 2016 election year. Strange timing isn't it?

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  11. Affordable Care Act, give credit to the man that manadated it into law; OBAMACARE, sucks.

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    1. Stay classy, pundit jr.

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  12. 9.28 just a fact / 9.38 you must be one of those who are on welfare and choose not to work! Get off your _ass and Go get a job and Make America Great Again

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  13. Chief Standing RockJanuary 28, 2017 at 11:30 AM

    Since you Fascists Trumpies seem to delight in the destruction of universal health care you might take note that when Ebola or its like steps off the plane at LAX and kills your children and grandchildren you might take heart in the fact that not a Republican worth a damn has come up with something to replace Obamacare. Have a bigly nice day.

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    1. Yorba Linda. Settlement: The city has settled its law suit against the state over how the dissolution of its Redevelopment Agency plays out.

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  14. 8:58 and others who believe the mainstream media is leftist don't know what they're talking about--anything left of Goebbels is left-leaning to the typical Fox viewer.

    The mainstream media's biggest sin is that tends to act as a stenographer to power. Hopefully, now that standard political half-truths have transmogrified under the new regime to full blown flat out lies as the default mode, the mainstream media will stop taking shorthand and call BS each and every time BS spouts.

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  15. Notice how the Republicans' concerns about the difficulty of repealing Romney-Obamacare center around their political futures. Maybe a quick discussion about not imploding insurance markets, but that goes more to not hurting their insurance company campaign contributors.

    Conspicuously absent from their sage discussions is just how much suffering and death will occur when they take away the lifelines of millions.

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  16. 11:30am. Ebola already came ro America, remember the hospital workers in space suits helping thataid worker off a plane?

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    1. I remember the private run hospital blew it and the government had to step in to get the job done right. The same services Trumps backers intend to cut.

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  17. FIrst smack down for Trump: Federal court issues emergency stay of part of Trump's immigration order. Briefing in February.

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  18. Ah, no. The government made the decision to fly (a few) aid worker(s) back to American hospitals (private) where better care could be given.
    No services will be cut. Quite possible other countries will share the costs of research, which is passed onto consumers by the higher costs of pharmaceuticals. That's why you can purchase cheap knock off's from foreign countries. Or the FDA hasn't cleared meds to be distributed in this country yet or the buy and sell back scheme's that come from Canada and Mexico, via the internet. That's why privatization always does better than government run programs. Private/ incentives...government/volumes of paperwork and availability.

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    1. Medical care is in America is a disgrace. Much of it is the responsibilities of the health care corporations that pay bribes to Republican legislators to undo programs that will result in the deaths of thousands of Americans..

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    2. 6:37 AM

      Keep in mind though that the primary goal of any private company is to make a profit, not to save your life.

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    3. That's what not everything should be privatized

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