Wednesday, February 22, 2017

California Secession: The Russia Connection

Mod: As you have probably heard, the folks behind the move to put a "Calexit" initiative on the ballot in 2019 have been hard at work. And there are some who think that this might be an especially  good idea, particularly a few of those who are unhappy about Donald Trump living in the White House. But who would really benefit by the breakup of the United States? Maybe the same folks who have never quite managed to get over the dissolution of the USSR? The following two articles should help make this more clear for you.

California Secession Advocate Faces Scrutiny Over Where He's Based: Russia (MSN link): YEKATERINBURG, Russia — This provincial Russian city, about 1,000 miles east of Moscow, is about as unlikely a place as any to find the leader of one of the more unlikely political causes to arise in opposition to President Trump. But Louis J. Marinelli, the 30-year-old English teacher who is the president of the Yes California movement, which seeks independence for the state, has decided to call it home.

Word of “Calexit,” a Quixotic idea that has floated around California for years, spread on social media after the election of Mr. Trump in November. Even though it has virtually no chance of succeeding — it would require an amendment to the Constitution — it has gained some traction in the state. Several technology industry leaders have voiced their support, and a ballot measure is in the works for the 2018 election.

Now with renewed attention on the movement, Mr. Marinelli is under scrutiny for living in a country that many in the United States see as an adversarial power.

And back in California, he is on the defensive for accepting travel expenses and office space from a Kremlin-linked nationalist group. That acceptance has raised the prospect that Russia, after meddling in the election to try to tip the vote to Mr. Trump, as United States intelligence agencies have said, is now gleefully stoking divisions in America by backing a radical liberal movement.

Mod: While Trump and many Republicans are increasingly loving their Putin, you need to be aware that Russia is continuing to try to sow havoc in the U.S. by promoting secession movements not just in California, but Texas as well. This from ABC News.

Texas, California Separatists Attend Kremlin-Funded Conference (ABC News link): Nate Smith, executive director of the Texas Nationalist Movement, looked uncertain as a man identifying himself as an east Ukrainian resistance fighter pledged solidarity to Smith’s struggle for an independent Texas.

Standing in a conference room in the Ritz Hotel in central Moscow on Sunday, Smith nodded noncommittally and handed over his business card. It wasn’t the only incongruous encounter taking place at the Ritz at what has been dubbed Moscow’s international conference of separatists, an eclectic Kremlin-funded gathering of organizations and sometimes wacky individuals pressing for self-rule for often unlikely territories.

And among the few dozen activists comparing ideas for how to achieve self-determination, were two Americans campaigning for Texan and Californian secession from the United States.

The conference, now in its second year, is funded largely by the Kremlin and organized by the Anti-Globalization Movement of Russia, a group that closely follows government positions. The movement says it is unconnected to the Kremlin, but the hotel conference was almost entirely paid for by a charitable fund founded by President Vladimir Putin, which provided close to $546,000 for the project, according to public records. The attendees, including the Texan delegate, had been offered free flights and accommodation.

“We’re here to have a dialogue. We’re not in agreement with all the groups that are here,” Smith said. “We’re here for very specific reasons. We came here to make a statement on behalf of the people of Texas.”

It was a sentiment echoed by Louis J. Marinelli from the YES California Independence Campaign, there to get his message out about his plan to make the Golden State a nation.

“We want to draw attention to our campaign,” Marinelli said. “We’re not signing an alliance with Russia or anything like that."

The two secessionists’ urge for independence stems largely from a distaste with American foreign policy and a sense the U.S. has become dysfunctional. A gentle-mannered IT consultant married to a Russian, Marinelli is aiming for a secession referendum by 2019.

“The U.S. government is so dysfunctional it can’t be repaired from within anymore, and if we were a separate nation running our own affairs, we could improve the quality of life for Californians,” Marinelli said.

Both men were hoping for a Donald Trump victory in the U.S. presidential elections, banking on a surge in people looking to detach themselves from America. The U.K.'s recent "Brexit" vote to leave the European Union had also heartened many attendees.

But why exactly the Kremlin had decided to pay to gather them in Moscow, few among the foreign attendees could say. Nor did they appear particularly interested.

“I’m not here to make presumptions about potential reasons for this conference,” Smith said.

However, the conference -- and its location in one of Moscow’s expensive hotels, within shouting distance of the Kremlin walls -- slots into a recognizable recent Russian strategy.

Russia has been backing far right political parties in the West, in particular, reportedly funding France’s anti-European Union party, the Front National, with a $10 million loan. The practice echoes that of the Soviet Union, which secretly supported radical fringe groups around the world, but now coupled with elaborate disinformation campaigns from state media outlets.

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51 comments:

  1. Take California out of the electoral equation and the chances of a Democrat ever being elected president again would be nil.

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    1. The reason why is simple, structural and too often absent from the conversation: It’s the radical GOP gerrymander imposed after the 2010 census on purplish states like Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin and North Carolina – all of which were likely to go for Clinton, while also electing a bright-red Republican delegation to Congress. Even had Hillary Clinton won the presidency in a landslide, there are simply not enough competitive districts remaining to give the Democrats any chance at winning the House.

      For all of the misleading nonsense about “rigged elections” coming from the Trump camp last summer, we haven’t talked enough about the way our electoral map really was rigged by Republicans after the 2010 census. These tilted maps make it possible for the Republicans to govern with a supermajority in Ohio, North Carolina and Wisconsin – despite getting less votes overall. And they’ve created a firewall in the House of Representatives that’s built to withstand a Clinton landslide upward of 10 percent.

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    2. 5:13...You obviously know nothing about "gerrymandering." It has an effect on individual districts, but has absolutely no effect on statewide voting for national offices (i.e. president). You are the typical gullible left-wingnut who repeats what the party apparatchik spew forth as if it was actually true.

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    3. 6:17 - I think you have a reading comprehension problem.

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  2. Russia still regrets selling their Cali colony to the guy who started the gold rush only a few years later.

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  3. US life expectancy is low and is now projected to be on par with Mexico by 2030
    http://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/22/us-life-expectancy-is-low-and-is-now-projected-to-be-on-par-with-mexico-by-2030.html

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    1. Yep. Making America great again.

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    2. U.S. life expectancy will soon be on par with Mexico’s and the Czech Republic’s
      https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2017/02/21/us-life-expectancy-will-soon-be-on-par-with-mexicos-and-croatias/

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    3. On par with Mexico, because all the Mexicans legal and illegal are coming to California. Take the illegals out and our schools, health care, services will have more than enough money. Deport all who are here illegally. Let them take their anchor brats with them. That includes the Asians, Africans, Europeans, Central and South Americans who are here illegally. I welcome all that follow our laws.

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    4. Mommy mommy what's an anchor brat?!

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    5. No, get rid of the NRA and the proliferation of guns.

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    6. If you get rid of guns your freedom will follow. Look back at history.

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  4. Out-of-state conservatives are some of Calexit's biggest fans
    http://www.latimes.com/opinion/readersreact/la-ol-le-calexit-republicans-california-secession-20170204-story.html

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    1. In a lot of ways the agendas of the American right and Russia are the same.

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    2. Vladimir Putin’s popularity is soaring among Republicans
      https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/02/21/vladimir-putin-so-hot-right-now/

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    3. There 9 dead Russians in the last 2 months. These nine Russians have either been murdered, died suddenly or vanished into the depths of the Lubyanka prison in the last two months

      1: Vitaly Churkin, Russia’s Ambassador to the UN. officially of a heart attack. Feb 20, 2017.

      2: Sergei Krivov, employee of Russian consulate in NY. Officially of heart attack despite his skull having been bashed in. May have fallen from consulate roof. Feb. 15, 2017

      3, 4, 5: Kaspersky employee Ruslan Stoyanov and FSB officers who specialised in cyber security, Sergei Mikhailov and Dmitry Dokuchayev. Sergei Mikhailov were charged with treason. Mikhailov was dragged out of a meeting with a bag over his head, and is now now almost certainly dead. Odds are the other two gentlemen followed close behind. Jan 23, 2017

      6: Andrey Melanin, Russian Consul in Greece was found dead in his Athens apartment. Jan 9, 2017

      7: Oleg Erovinkin, a former KGB General who had helped Chris Steele assemble the infamous dossier. Found dead in the trunk of his car in Moscow. Dec. 26, 2016

      8. Andrey Karlov, Russian Ambassador to Turkey, murdered on live television. Dec. 20 2016

      9. Petr Polshikov Russian diplomat, was found shot to death in Moscow. Dec. 20, 2016 (just after Karlov's murder).

      I have read in several places that they are all connected to the Steele dossier, but I have been unable to confirm that for myself. Nonetheless, this is a lot of sudden exits.

      Dead men tell no tales.

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    4. Meanwhile that creepy whitehouse spokesman says 'Trump is not to be questioned'

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    5. 5:43...what you left out is that the leftist Democrat agenda and that of Karl Marx also are the same.

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  5. If you didn't see this coming you must have voted for Trump. The division is well under way and can't be stopped. Good reporting Mr. Blog Man.

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  6. When gas prices get close to $5 and the American dollar starts to be devalued many of Trumps voters will start to see the light. If this is what Trumps voters wanted they will be happy to see these first signs of change in the U S A.

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    1. Still smiling. Thank you President Trump, MAGA.

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    2. Must be the liquor.

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    3. MAGA = "Millionaire A***ole Golfing Again"

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    4. 8:58 that's awesome!

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    5. I love it too, 8:58.

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  7. Seven years ago the World Health Organization made the first major effort to rank the health systems of 191 nations. France and Italy took the top two spots; the United States was a dismal 37th. Shockingly, despite our vaunted prowess in computers, software and the Internet, much of our health care system is still operating in the dark ages of paper records and handwritten scrawls. American primary care doctors lag years behind doctors in other advanced nations in adopting electronic medical records or prescribing medications electronically. In spite of these facts, Trump is trying to get rid of the Affordable Health Care Act? Insurance companies must love him.

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  8. Trump cheats at golf?
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-secrets-cheats-golf_us_58ab21f6e4b045cd34c3cc47?id1wj5qmfq69zr529&

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  9. 7:42, isn't Russia great?

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  10. A Great leader wins by what ever means possible.

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    1. Donald Mulligan.

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    2. Think about it. Last weekend, President Trump had a round of golf with the Japanese prime minister. Nothing wrong with that, as far as I'm concerned, although after Trump's criticisms of President Obama, there is a tang of hypocrisy in the air. While Trump was golfing, the press was sequestered in a basement at the club with the windows covered over. Later in the day, when news of North Korea's missile launch broke, Trump huddled with his advisors in the middle of the dining room, discussing options and the government's possible response, right in middle of diners, wait staff, and anyone else who happened to be there.

      What reasonable conclusion might we draw from the security measures Trump instituted for his golf game versus a national security strategy session?

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    3. But that doesnt make them good leaders

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  11. Bet he cheats on his wife too.

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    1. Bet she cheats on him. Why does she stay in New York?

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    2. He cheated on all the others

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  12. Wonder if cheating is part of her contract. If caught cheating then no $.

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    1. Melania Trump 'shudders' as husband Donald touches her on the arm during Florida speech
      http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/nervous-melania-trump-shudders-husband-9855160

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  13. Well, this strategy is par for the course for Russia. Remember the fake vote in Sebastopol for Crimea to be part of Russia? It is a part of the country of Ukraine, a sovereign state, which Russia annexed in violation of all laws and treaties. That would be like having Florida vote to be part of Cuba and having the Castro government roll in and take over.

    It's become so easy to gerrymander a voting region and purge the polls that it's become the new warfare. Repubs have taken over Congress, Trump (whatever the heck he is) has taken over the Administration and is corrupting decades of bipartisan progress on issues by appointing enemies of the very Cabinet departments that are supposed to be responsible for carrying out US public policy.

    Thought I'd never see the day when the US government self-destructs its own country.

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  14. Death spiral of ObamaCare. It's imploding on it's self. My guess is that Nancy Pelosi and the gang, should have read "it", before passing "it"!
    The instability of ObamaCare, has caused most major Insurances to pull out of offering care.

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    1. Funny. The Congress creatures who are the most upset about this are backbench Republicans. They know that opposition to the ACA could cost them their seats in 2018. They're tap dancing like crazy these days.

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    2. Projected net cost of obamare: $1.2 trillion, but saving lives of people who contribute to economy.

      Projected cost of Iraq invasion: 6 trillion but tens of thousands killed, destabilization of Middle East, creation of isis, and increase in terrorism. Plus someone has to forever pay for vet healthcare.


      I'll take the former option.

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    3. Obama Care or some new better Care, it will only be good medical coverage if the congress includes themselves in the plan. I will not trust any medical plan that the House and Senate exclude themselves form, like they exclude themselves from Obama Care.

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  15. Interesting interview with Marinelli on Breitbart. Conducted by none other than former State Assemblyman Tim Donnelly. The only sympathetic article I have seen about the secessionist so far. Strange how the old Tea Party has aligned itself so carefully with the interests of Moscow.

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    1. Is that why Donnelly ran for Governor? He wanted to be President of California?

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    2. Not strange at all. It's a fake grass-roots movement started by billionaires and big business. That pretty much what Russia today. Makes perfect sense. Money and oil through military hegemony. That's what causes terrorism.

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    3. It's fodder for useful idiots.

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  16. 11:48am. You can thank that turned to pasture President Obama along with his bad golf game.

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    1. Trump cheats at golf.

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    2. Why do cowards say wha? I thought they said eek.

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