Tuesday, February 7, 2017

Trump Threatens to Defund "Out of Control" California

Mod: Nobody likes California, least of all President Trump. After all, this is the state that put the stamp on his popular vote defeat last November. Don't think he hasn't forgotten! He is still taking that very personally. And with this whole "sanctuary cities" thing going on here? Yeah, now he is really upset. And judging by the articles below, that fun has just begun.

Trump threatens to defund ‘out of control’ California (Sacramento Bee link): President Donald Trump is threatening to withhold federal funds from “out of control” California if the state declares itself a sanctuary state.

“If we have to, we’ll defund,” Trump said in an interview with Fox News host Bill O’Reilly before the Super Bowl. “We give tremendous amounts of money to California, California in many ways is out of control, as you know.”

Trump was responding to a question from O’Reilly about efforts by Democratic state legislators to make California a de-facto “sanctuary state” that would restrict state and local law enforcement, including school police and security departments, from using their resources to aid federal authorities in immigration enforcement.

“I think it’s ridiculous. Sanctuary cities, as you know, I’m very much opposed to sanctuary cities. They breed crime, there’s a lot of problems,” Trump said.

Sacramento, Los Angeles and San Francisco are sanctuary cities and have said they will will challenge in court any attempt by Trump to withhold federal funds from them. Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti said he doubted the 10th amendment to the Constitution, which reserves power to the states, would allow Trump to defund.

Mod: California's political leadership was hardly pleased to hear this.

California Democrats respond to president’s ‘out of control’ remark (The Mercury News link):  With the national spotlight on a state immigration bill, prominent California Democrats lined up to defend their state after President Donald Trump called it “out of control” during an interview with Bill O’Reilly that aired Sunday on Fox News.

“Out of control? Trump should look in the mirror,” tweeted Tom Steyer, a billionaire environmentalist rumored to be considering a run for governor in 2018.

Donald Trump is singling out my state because he lost the popular vote, plain and simple,” said Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif.

For weeks, Trump stayed uncharacteristically silent on California while lawmakers took aim at Trump’s agenda with nonbinding resolutions and immigration bills. That changed last Thursday, when Trump tweeted that UC Berkeley should lose its federal funding after a violent protest forced the campus to cancel a talk by an alt-right icon, Milo Yiannopoulos.

Then during Sunday’s interview with O’Reilly, Trump took a swipe at a bill being fast-tracked through the Legislature to protect people from deportation, Senate Bill 54 — and suggested that Washington might respond by defunding the entire state.

Mod: Then again, if Trump won't pay us, then we won't have to pay him, right? And since we send Washington a lot more money than they send us, wouldn't we come out ahead? 

California Responds To Trump Threatening To Defund Them, Says It Won’t Pay Taxes (Groopspeak.com link): The state of California is firing back at President Trump after he threatened to defund the entire state for having sanctuary cities. Currently, California is looking for ways to suspend payments to the federal government if Trump decides to follow through on his promise to defund the state.

What’s particularly interesting about the threat is that California is one of the few states in the country that actually sends more money to Washington than it receives. If they suspend payments to the federal government, they will actually have more money for services.

California could very well become an organized non-payer,” said Willie Brown, Jr, a former speaker of the state Assembly in an interview recorded Friday for KPIX 5’s Sunday morning news. “They could recommend non-compliance with the federal tax code.”

President Trump made the threat during an interview with Bill O’Reilly that aired just prior to the super bowl. “If we have to, we’ll defund,” he said. “We give tremendous amounts of money to California.”

There’s one other thing Trump is forgetting – the president doesn’t have the sole authority to approve such a measure even if he wanted to. As the LA Times points out, he “can’t just call up some staffer to not cut any more checks to California.” Such a law can only be passed by Congress – and only they have the sole power to appropriate money.

All of this means only one thing – Trump’s statement is merely an empty threat. Even so, with Republicans now in power, California is still bracing itself for a full-on war with the new Trump administration. He’s wanting them to help enforce federal immigration laws (albeit in the most horrible way possible) and they’re just not going to sit by and let it happen without a fight.

Mod: A key point. "What’s particularly interesting about the threat is that California is one of the few states in the country that actually sends more money to Washington than it receives. If they suspend payments to the federal government, they will actually have more money for services." So why should we have to support all of those dumbass red states? Or Trump for that matter?

California May Stop Paying Taxes To Federal Government After Trump Threatens To Defund The State (AddictingInfo.org link): In a recent interview with Fox News, Trump said that California is “out of control” for advancing legislation to provide statewide sanctuary for immigrants and keep law enforcement from cooperating with federal authorities in enforcing Trump’s many anti-immigrant measures. Trump told Fox that he will take away every penny that California receives from the federal government.

The state of California has one of the ten largest economies in the world. Not only is it a giant among states, competing with the economies of some of the most affluent countries worldwide, but it is one of the few states that pays more into the federal Treasury than it receives in government funding. It would be a huge mistake to put the state of California in a position that legislators may decide to stop paying taxes altogether, but Donald Trump seems determined to do just that because, well, he’s an idiot.

“If we have to, we’ll defund,” he said. “We give tremendous amounts of money to California.”

Thanks to the state’s liberal policies, California has outpaced the rest of the nation on job growth and had a gross state product of 2.46 trillion in 2015, placing it sixth behind the United Kingdom in world economies (ranked by Gross Domestic Product) and 11th in the world ranked by cost of living.

In other words, California would be fine without the federal money it receives…if the state stopped paying taxes to the federal government. Officials are currently looking into doing exactly that if Trump follows through on his threat to take federal funding from the state.

California could very well become an organized non-payer,” if Trump follows through on threats to punish cities and states that do not comply with requests to turn over undocumented immigrants to Trump’s goons, a former speaker of the state Assembly told KPIX 5 on Sunday. “They could recommend non-compliance with the federal tax code.”

Mod: Maybe Trump is doing all of this in hopes of advancing the Russian supported effort to get California to leave the United States? Once again proving just how much under the thumb of Vladimir Putin he really is. Or, perhaps, he is just nuts. Given all we've heard these last two weeks, you certainly can't count that out.

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64 comments:

  1. Mod is way off base here. California has been breaking Federal law for years now with it's ludicrous sanctuary city policy. Where are the ramifications for this? If the mod defends this stance, I'd suggest everyone quit visiting this site permanently. Fortunately, the illegal that shot and killed that woman a couple years back happened in San Francisco where there's at least potential for the act to "wake up" liberals to the fallacy of their argument. Tragic lives have to be lost in order for this to happen.

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    1. How about you just quit visiting her permanently? Save yourself the stress and find a different sanctuary blog.

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    2. What Federal law has California been breaking? Sending too much of its money to the meth belt?

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    3. 6:23 - You keep threatening to not come here yet you continue to do so. Please, do stop visiting this site permanently. Enough of your empty ridiculous threats. Don't they have any blogs in your state?

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    4. Defunding California would result in the Federal government losing money. If that isn't the business model for the so-called entrepreneur that lost a billion dollars in a single year, I don't know what is.

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    5. 7:14, you're ignorant. 6:23 is referring to the power given to the Feds regarding immigration law. Sanctuary cities violate this when they don't detain illegals and hand them over to ICE for possible deportation.

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  2. I voted against the bullet train because it was proposed at the beginning of the reception. But I'm totally in favor of It in principle. Can't make America great again without high-speed transport

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  3. California is out of control and it should be defended. California is what happens when you have a 1-party state.

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    1. i think you mean defunded. but i will defend.

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  4. California has multiple political parties. Just that the people's choice keeps winning. Can't say that about the stolen 2016 national election. Or bush 2's first term.

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    1. It is not the fault of California that so many of its voters find the Republican Party to be repugnant.

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    2. Let me remind all of you of a few things. First, the democrat "strongholds" (i.e. California, Illinois, New York, Michigan, etc.) are the most upside down areas of the country, fiscally speaking, with the largest debts and unfunded liabilities. Second, if you compare the electoral college map for the 2016 election with a map of crime incidence in the country, the two almost parallel each other, meaning the democrat infested areas are also the areas with the highest crime. Third, the only reason these areas remain democrat strongholds is because they're the areas with the highest levels of poverty and the highest levels of immigrants who are brainwashed to sign up as democrats when they gain citizenship. California houses roughly a third of the nation's entire poor. That's the reason for moron of all morons, Brown, jacking up the minimum wage. Cave man thinking that this will eliminate poverty in the "golden state". Lol

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    3. mostly because the feds NEVER fund us with the amount we GIVE them. Fine. defund us. it's not like we get what we give.

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  5. Divide and conquer. Guess those of lesser education can't figure that out. They might want to think of relocating to Russia.

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  6. Trump’s nominee to run the Department of Labor, Andrew Puzder, employed an undocumented immigrant as household help...

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    1. Choice! Better build a wall around him.

      Andrew Puzder, Trump’s Labor Pick, Admits to Hiring Undocumented Maid
      https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/07/us/politics/andrew-puzder-labor-trump-undocumented.html?_r=0

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    2. “My wife and I employed a housekeeper for a few years, during which I was unaware that she was not legally permitted to work in the U.S.,” Mr. Puzder said in a statement.

      I think Puzder's pants just caught on fire.

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  7. Don't have to think about relocating to Russia when it will take this state, like it has Crimea. If California breaks away from the rest of the Country, it had better learn how to defend its self. Time to buy a bigger and better gun. No Federal funding or laws. It's vigilante time!
    Another positive, besides our arming ourselves, is no Bullet Train or Olympics, those take Federal funding, also no 710 Tunnel. No more CalPERS, that's tied into the Stock Market investments and Federal Taxes.
    Looks pretty positive for California. If Russia invades, we will all be fully armed with guns and amo (the Obama Administration was too slow in taking away all those rights).
    If an "illegal" wants to stand up for the TAKING of their rights; we NEW VIGILANTE'S will be TAKING our rights also.
    California doesn't need the United States; it's time to turn back to the WILD WEST, YEE HA!!!

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    1. The people backing the "Calexit" scam are from Russia.
      http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/01/why-russia-loves-the-idea-of-california-seceding-214632

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    2. Trump guy in disguise

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  8. The bullet train is nothing but a massive boondoggle, and the sooner it gets killed, the better. Nobody wants the thing except the giant firms that are using it to "feed the monster". It just wanders around in the Central Valley and would be dangerous to operate at high speeds if it shares tracks with other rail. The HSR in Europe runs on dedicated tracks that are robotically inspected every night. Also, in Europe they don't experience the extreme heat like we have in the Valley which would warp the rails themselves. HSR rails require extremely controlled tolerances.

    With so many airlines, highways, busses and trains between LA and SF it makes no sense to add an additional slowpoke train to the mix. So if that money gets withheld by Trump, I say that's a good strategic sacrifice.

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    1. The train I use to travel this state is Southwest Airlines. The cool thing about that is it flies, and gets anywhere in around an hour.

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    2. Don't forget adding the time to get to airport, check bags, pass security, await boarding. Hi speed rail is a great idea as long as it's not overcompromised

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    3. I'd argue that it's not the "giant firms" desiring the bullet train, but rather the inflated unions in this state. This would be the biggest public works project in California's history, and Brown felt that he owed it to the unions after getting him elected. That's all he is, a puppet for the unions.

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    4. Of course you'd argue that. And you'd be wrong again. Union workers comprise only 16% in California but voters approved of the measure by a majority.

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  9. California can use that saved money from the Bullet Train, when it has to negotiate with the other states for Federal tarriffs and goods, both shipped and driven across Federal Highways to get to California.
    Another good reason for a sanctuary state, setting up "our" taxes or no taxes, government.

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    1. California isn't leaving the country. No matter what the far right and its allies in Moscow say.

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    2. There is no 'saved money' they had to get loans to finance it

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    3. No kidding. It is estimated that the Tangerine Buffoon will jack the national debt up some $10 trillion dollars.

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  10. Hey this santuary state is looking really good. No more Federal Unions or Federal standards for schools, collages and universities. Small business and any large businesses that stay and operate in California can pay what ever wages they want. No Federal standards. We can even "cheat" the illegal 's out of a days pay, or just the not pay them, who's gonna enforce that. If it's good enough for foreign countries, it will be good enough for New California.

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    1. Where are you from trump guy? For someone who does't want federal standards for schools this is the second time in a week you've misspelled 'college'.

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    2. Back to reality, at least for conservatives. Another historic moment in time. Vice President M. Pence will be the first Vice President in the history of this Nation, that will cast the tie breaker vote in the Senate, for President Trump's cabinet appointment for Education Secretary.

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    3. God bless the two Republican Senators who are against empowering this nut job.

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    4. Not first, hardly historic.February 7, 2017 at 9:14 AM

      "The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided. The tie-breaking vote (or casting vote) has been made 244 times by 35 different Vice presidents."

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tie-breaking_votes_cast_by_vice_presidents_of_the_United_States

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    5. We will still make collages' at least the kids in elementary school,and artists. It is a simple art form and very "soothing" in these troubled times.
      Do they have spell check out there? If not have your attendant help out.

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    6. 9:12, I take pleasure in your displeasure with the current administration.

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    7. 9:00am,
      Not so, just heard that V.P. Al Gore did it. You Dems just throw statements out there like mud and hope someone will grasp onto it and believe it. Nauseating!

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    8. 9:00 am misspoke. It is the first time in history a VP has cast the deciding vote on a cabinet position

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    9. 9:46 = lamb to the slaughter

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    10. 9:00 is proof that most Trumpies are at war with the English language. And everything else they don't understand.

      9:55 completely missed the point in an amusing sort of way.

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  11. Trump's first show of military force a dismal failure that killed a serviceman and an innocent girl and missed its target:

    "White House leak reveals how staff manipulated Trump to get him to approve failed Yemen raid"

    Sad!

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  12. We may be the world's 10th largest economy but we don't make everything we need/use/want. What will it cost us to buy those things with added tariffs?

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    1. Chief Standing RockFebruary 7, 2017 at 9:57 AM

      9:12 am, Don't be so sure of what you're saying. Califoria is loaded with self reliant rugged individuals who are not the least bit interested in being manipulated by the fascist Trump dictator. California can get along just fine.

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    2. It's all fantasy talk.

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  13. DeVos ― who comes from a billionaire Michigan family... was mocked for her comment that schools might need guns to ward off grizzly bear attacks...

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    1. She's trust fund trash. Living proof that money doesn't buy class.

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    2. DeVos is completely unqualified for and ignorant about the grave responsibility she now has.
      Her appointment is a terrible mistake.

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  14. Melania Trump’s immigration lawyer joins the fight against her husband’s anti-Muslim travel ban.

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    1. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/melania-trump-immigration-lawyer-michael-wildes-fight-donald-muslim-ban-travel-restrictions-a7566441.html

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  15. 9:57am. I think you are thinking of the state of Montana, rugged describes the individuals living there.
    Cafe Mocha Latte with light soy foam, describes most Californians.

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    1. Apparently you have only seen Los Angeles and San Francisco in your movies,this is a big place mostly rural and full of Bears in many senses of the word. I work out hard at the gym before my Latte. Eureka!! California uber alles!(in your fuhrers' language)

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    2. City slicker that never leaves the house

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  16. The Teachers Unioñ no longer has a death grip on education. All children and parents will now have an opportunity to choose their future. Reform from the failures of not having a choice. Good for you GOP.

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    1. Total crap. It means the GOP bloodsuckers can now bleed public education dry. One of the great democratic forces in the United States is now in severe jeopardy.

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    2. Shame on the GOP, with two exceptions.
      Putting a blatantly unqualified person in an influential position because she's a member of the .01% is a furthering of the plutocracy that the GOP services. Disgusting.
      Shame on them.

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    3. It's like magic! Rainbows and unicorns!

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    4. 12:18 is a crooked sham. Here's the real news: Betsy DeVos has personally donated $115,000 to the current crop of Republican senators since 1980. Those lawmakers received more than $950,000 from the full DeVos family over the same period. The family has further donated $8.3 million to Republican Party super PACs in the past two election cycles.

      Swamp the vote!

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  17. Trump Has Worst Disapproval Numbers Yet In Gallup Tracking Poll - Disapproval of Donald Trump's performance as President reached a new high on Monday in Gallup's daily tracking poll.

    The tracking poll, which averages results over the previous three days, found that 54 percent of respondents disapproved of Trump’s performance in office, while only 42 percent approved. On Jan. 22, two days after his inauguration, respondents were split 45-45 percent on Trump’s performance.

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  18. The Right sees education as the enemy.

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    1. The uneducated don't have to be paid as much.

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    2. The dumber they are the more inclined they are to vote for billionaires against their interests.

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  19. Trump just Weakened American further: Angry at the civilian casualties incurred last month in the first commando raid authorized by President Trump, Yemen has withdrawn permission for the United States to run Special Operations ground missions against suspected terrorist groups in the country, according to American officials.

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