Monday, May 1, 2017

Vaskenating In The Rotten Rose: The Pasadena Star News Take On Yesterday's ATF Revelations

The Rotten Rose
A little housekeeping first. One acerbic commenter left the following pointed observation here on The Tattler yesterday, and I thought it was worth airing it out a little. This has come up before, and now that I have so many peoples' attention, what better time?

The Pasadena Star-News hit an all-time new low today. First the intrepid Jimmy Olsen steals your story without credits then he refuses to name the lieutenant in question here. My guess is that Jimmy Olsen has been stroked by the former PIO and doesn't want to hurt a friend instead of writing the truth. What a rag!

While it is true this blog did scoop everyone else on this story, I can't get too upset about the lack of any recognition from the Star News. After all, I've cribbed from them in the past, and they have done some pretty good work from time to time. Though I do credit the PSN whenever I raid their paper for any info I use here. It seems only fair.

They also did finally mention Gourdikian's name. At least in the story's second edit, which appeared a couple of hours after their first version hit the PSN website. Which is a good thing. To do otherwise only helps to enable the Pasadena Police Department's cover-up of some pretty shocking malfeasance on the part of one of its senior officers.

An unfortunate precedent for that does exist. There is a fairly corrupt California state law that enables local governments to avoid revealing the identities of any employees they might be investigating. Obviously the hoary sachems of The Rotten Rose have used that to great advantage in covering this affair up. At least until now.

In my opinion news organizations should be doing all they can to expose any wrongdoing by our erstwhile public servants, especially when you consider the state law that allows them to conveniently hide any criminal behavior of their employees.

Playing along with this law is betraying the interests of their readers. People who, theoretically at least, are dependent upon newspapers for information. After all, public employees are vastly overcompensated, and those who make their fine lifestyles possible so horribly overtaxed.

That is, should these readers actually care. Remarkably, so very few really do. Which is also a part of the problem.

To their credit, the Star News did finally come around. Here is their final take.


The Star News expose' on yesterday's events can be linked to here.

Pasadena Now also gets on board

Local journalism made an additional great leap forward today.


The rest of that article can be accessed here.

In all fairness, and contrary to the message Pasadena Now is currently pushing, the starring role Lt. Vasken Gourdikian played in this affair was first revealed last February by the Pasadena Weekly. You can link to that here.

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69 comments:

  1. He did not act alone. Find his helpers!

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    1. It goes all the way to the top.

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  2. Forget about innocent until proven guilty, which is everyone's right, he hasn't been charged with anything. Journalism is about relaying facts to the public, not crucifying people by coming to unjustified conclusions. Notice how the list of weapons seized has no mention of anything illegal? But you don't care, because it's not you and it gets you hits on your blog and makes you feel important.

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    1. So let me get this straight. The Feds raid this guy's house, find several hundred thousand dollars worth of weapons, he gets suspended from the PD, yet nobody is allowed to talk about it because it is an improper and boastful attitude? Thank God not everyone is as gutless and emo as you apparently are.

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    2. Get over it, 6:45. He's guilty.

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    3. Urban Dictionary:
      emo (adjective)
      When used as an adjective, emo generally refers to an individual who is either over-emotional or tends to exaggerate situations. For example, you may call someone emo for crying over something that really doesn't merit crying. However, it is good to use the word withcaution because it generally carries a negative connotation.
      Girl: Nobody loves me, my friends aren't really my friends, nobody cares about me, I'm all alone, I'm always so caring of other people and no one cares about me, I'm so selfless!!!!....etc.

      Me:.....GOD DAMN, YOU ARE EMO!
      emo (adjective)

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    4. Guilty of what? It's not a matter of being boastful, This is a human being with rights, and I realize you have freedom of speech, but there are consequences to using reckless words. You have become judge, jury and executioner and you haven't even heard the case. No one has even presented a case. That must make you clairvoyant, a time traveler, or omniscient. Either way it is reckless.

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    5. It's a free country, mac. Screw you. No crooked cop is going to tell me to shut up.

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    6. So then, you would be fine if someone linked you to an accusation, with no information, and ran you through the mud. You are a special sort of stupid.

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    7. 9:24 go get some sun

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    8. The guy's house was raided by the Feds, and hundreds of thousands of dollars of weapons were seized. It is possible that might raise a question or two.

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    9. 9:39 is upset because in his privileged world citizens are expected to pay their taxes and shut up.

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    10. The article says about $50k...

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    11. That is what the ATF says. On the streets they would fetch far more than that. How many criminals have bought guns from PPD officers do you think?

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    12. You have no vantage point for that statement. I have no idea how many criminals have bought guns from PPD officers and neither do you. But keep throwing unsubstantiated nonsense at me, maybe something might stick.

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    13. We don't know. Vasken is being shielded.

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    14. "Street value" of these guns? It's not weed or cocaine. The prices for those types of weapons are pretty close to retail. Look them up on the internet.

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    15. Criminals pay more for their guns because they're prohibited from buying any from licensed dealers. That's why they go to crooked cops.

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    16. Ha! You are so far off base here it's almost funny. The guns described on the list are all high end purpose-built weapons. The assumption that they are being sold to criminals is baseless. When was that little tidbit disclosed? Let me guess, totally a product of your imagination? These are not the types of firearms commonly found on criminals. Be a little patient and wait to see where this goes.

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    17. How would you know they are not? Do you know who they were being sold to? Do unlicensed firearms salesmen working out of their garages do background checks? Does this business exist to get around state and federal laws? Were the weapons stolen from the Pasadena PD evidence locker? Again, because this guy gets special privacy considerations this is all speculation. Just like what you're putting out.

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    18. So you believe that there just happen to be six (6) identical Springfield Operator pistols in PPD's evidence? Four Sig Sauer 1911's? Those are both uncommon pistols. Speculation is one thing but the premise that they were stolen from evidence is beyond far fetched.

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    19. Who knows, Bobo? Again, because Vasken is in a special legal class none of this is known. If a regular civilian had been arrested for having a garage filled with weaponry, it would be all over the news. That is the problem with state ordered censorship, it causes distrust and rumors. But it is entertaining.

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    20. That's right, you don't get to hear the details yet. So, rather than letting your imagination run wild, rather than accusing this man of every sin in the calendar, just wait and see. Until then this is nothing more that gossip and wishful thinking.

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    21. Suits seems to have only one message. That everyone should shut up. What a boring guy.

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    22. Not saying shut up, just be realistic and fair.

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  3. Let the hounds lose and track all the guilty parties down, of course as other have mentioned other parties with in the Pasadena P.D. along with other police organizations may have to be brought in along with their illegal weapons stocks? Is it time to drain the swamp on this California dirty secret?

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  4. A free and fearless press is our best defense against corrupt government practices. Support your local news organizations.

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  5. Journalism is dead.
    How many "illegal" weapons did the ATF really turn in? Who is keeping an eye on this branch of Law Enforcement? How can the public be assured that this independent Investigation was really on the level? Video's can be "doctored", lists of "items" may not be accurate. Reasons for the raid, may be politically motivated.

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    1. It isn't so much the legality of the weapons as it was the illegal sale of them by a rogue officer. Yesterday someone here suggested that these weapons were originally seized from criminals by the PPD, only to later be stolen by police officers from their own department for resale. Anyone know anything about that?

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    2. Trump troll convicted Hillary on no evidence but can't question this guy?

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    3. You need to be doctored.

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    4. Wanna by a gun, 12:00? In Sierra Madre they sell them at garage sales.

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  6. 7:29am. LOL post of the day! Like "you" can belive what is "written".
    Free and fearless press? Opinion pieces at best. Living in a naive "space", fits "your"response in corruptions surrounding "us".

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    1. What do you have to offer?

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    2. Trump troll has alt-facts to offer everyday

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    3. I think he gets them from his dog.

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  7. Comments from the Pasadena Politics Facebook page:
    1) In general, shame on criminals with badges that perpetuate crime by supplying criminals without bases with weapons.
    2) He should be charged with murder for any gun that came through him that killed someone.
    3) That's the problem with illegal guns. It's hard to trace them back to where they were purchased. That is exactly why he should be in jail already. Instead, this sick f*** is on a paid vacation on our dollar!
    4) True. That is f****d up. e the citizens he failed to live up to on his oath have to pay him not to do his job which he broke laws doing? But a brotha could be late to work because he's dealing with his kids trying to get them to school on time and get bored with review. Amerkkka.

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    1. Again, just a bunch of uninformed dumbasses. You can't sell a gun without an FFL, or a DROS. He was not accused of circumventing that, had he been, he would be in jail right now. Thus, whoever was sold a gun actually went through all background checks like anyone else, so once again your moronic rant is based on a fallacy, but again none of you care, because everyone else is crazy and they are all after your magic beans that you grow in the depths of the canyon.

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    2. Nobody knows what he has been accused of, or whether he was running background checks or any of the other crazy crap you're pushing here. The gutless browbeaten idiots who run Pasadena have put a complete clamp down on this case. Total radio silence. Just like they do when any of their millionaire employees break the law.

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    3. exactly, nobody knows, and yet the bloggers here somehow know he is guilty. The only thing we do know, is that he hasn't been charged with anything.

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    4. Censorship leads to speculation. The pussy politicians running Pasadena dare not even breath a word about this case for fear of retaliation from their municipal employee unions. So yes, under the circumstances it is understandable that people are trying to fill the vacuum.

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    5. It's not censorship stupid, its about not biasing a prospective jury pool. Oh, and protecting a citizen who has not been charged, or convicted of anything.

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    6. If he wasn't a Pasadena cop, just a civilian, his name would have been everywhere. Cops are a protected class under California law.

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    7. You are correct, AB301, also know as the Police Officer Bill of Rights.

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  8. 8:49am. Finally, we are in agreement of Fast and Furious. Obama guilty as the sins he committed under the title "President".
    As for Hillary, she continues to be under investigation from this government, why else do you suspect she is keeping such a low profile?

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    1. Trump is under investigation for treason. Go pack that in your diaper and have a party.

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    2. Troll working overtime today while Trump abandandones yet another campaign pledge.

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  9. If you were and cop and arrested gang type people you would not want your name out there. Before that protection went in law enforcement employs were threatened at home and there family also. Nothing like a call to the spouse saying don't let your cop go to work if you want to see them alive again.

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    1. If a cop doesn't want their name out there, then they shouldn't commit any crimes. Fair enough?

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    2. to 2:28pm, no one has committed any crimes or he would have been arrested by now. It's an investigation. Per ATF memo, it seems that this is common practice and the ATF wants to educate and not embarrass. However, the media is doing their part to embarrass this poor guy. He seems like a hobbyist like many military & police guys

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    3. No, you completely missed the point. Police officers should be held to the same standards that apply to civilians. If you commit a crime, no special protections. Also, the notion that the ATF raided this guy's house to seize a couple of trucks of specialized weaponry was part of an educational effort is flat out looney toons. Go take a nap or something.

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  10. 9:33 , how about an honest cop telling you what to do? How do you tell the honest from the dishonest?

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  11. He is a dirty cop who was the spokesperson for the police department.. Call it for what it is...

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    1. How could he have risen to the ranks of Lieutenant and spokesman if he was a dirty cop? Only the media wants him to be dirty so they can sell a story.

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    2. Maybe there is a lot of corruption in Pasadena, and being a crook is how you get promoted.

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    3. The thing is that it's pointless for the ATF to snatch all the guns in his garage, since he obviously bought them legally at some point (unless he didn't) and for him to be illegally selling things ... those guns can't be used as evidence since ... he didn't sell them.

      But I'm guessing he did the old "buy off roster cause I'm a cop, but now you can buy it off me" thing. Good ol' roster ... making felons left and right.

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  12. He is only a "dirty cop" because of "Dirty President Obama" changing the rules in gun sales.

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    1. Happened on Trump's watch. He must have issued the order.

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    2. Obama doesn't write laws. Nice try though troll

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  13. Trump family protection to get an additional 120 million in hard earned US taxpayer dollars on top of hundreds of millions already being spent to protect them and their lavish lifestyles. Taxpayers will have to pay rent for Trump Tower space to protect Trump and family.

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  14. Ask Pasadena cops their opinion of him...better yet ask around about him...who do you think tipped off the AFT?

    God if he were a Sierra Madre cop you would be in the streets...Pasadena its just par for the course..

    This jackass didn't do this by himself...

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  15. Did "you" take a day off work, inorder to protest work today? More fake May Day protests across the country.
    Whatever happened to giving flowers and May Pole Day?
    The anger generation is in charge.

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    1. Do you like the May Pole?

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    2. Trump troll workin' overtime today!

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  16. Oh, trump troll was complaining about Jerry Brown raising the gas tax. But now Trump wants to do it. What's a troll to do?

    Chump got trumped!

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    1. Trump Troll must be going ding dong.

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  17. Finally all that badness you thought you were all tough disrespectful cop I mean criminal. You were corrupted and aguilar too

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