Monday, June 12, 2017

Kiwanis Climate Expert Blames Trees For Sierra Madre's Drought?

At a presentation given to the Kiwanis Club on May 9, the same day that the latest water rate bomb was dropped at a Sierra Madre City Council meeting, NASA Jet Propulsion climatologist Bill Patzert presented the attendees with the following astonishing fact. "There are way too many trees in Sierra Madre, and they are all dying because there are so many," quoth Patzert.

Which is kind of ludicrous if you think about it. The trees in Sierra Madre are dying because they are not getting enough water. And why are they not getting enough water? It could be in part because should residents water their trees, they would fall subject to the rather draconian water fines the City of Sierra Madre currently imposes upon its residents.

Here is the Mountain Views News article where this astonishing news was first broken to its dozens of readers. Or at least that is what the paper's City Editor, Dean Lee, is telling us.


According to the article, Patzert said that the city would most likely continue with water restrictions in the years to come - if not forever. Why? Is he able to predict the future? Before you cut down your trees, do remember that this is the guy who predicted, and with great certainty I might add, the "Godzilla El Nino."

Which, as you may recall, did not happen. Apparently Bill is not exactly a foolproof soothsayer.

Governor Brown has declared that the drought is over, so why are the residents of Sierra Madre and its trees being deprived of water? Patzert blames the San Gabriel Valley Metropolitan Water District for this, even though the other municipal customers of the SGVMWD have now rescinded their water restrictions and fines.


If you click here you will be taken to the Arbor Day Foundation webpage where Sierra Madre is listed amongst those so honored as a Tree City USA. You can only wonder how long Sierra Madre, the home of too many trees, will be allowed to remain on this list.

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66 comments:

  1. Perhaps we should focus on native trees that don't need all that water like the Oak and Sycamore etc......

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    1. Wouldn't that be discriminatory?

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    2. Sierra Madre school of my childhood,beneath the Sycamore we shall linger forever more.......SMS song. Mr Mitchell conducting. yup I'm old

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    3. That is a great old idea- encourage people to plant indigenous plants. Better for the water, wildlife, fire aversion, the whole ecosystem...

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  2. 6:48, yes I agree. Also, everyone please read or watch the PBS version of Cadillac Desert. Our mini England in the SGV is a hoax. It will not last, and its better we realize this now.

    Btw, its Dr. Patzert. The man has a Ph.D. after all, and yes climatology is interested in predictions of the future. Any sane man or woman would heed well the advice of the good doctor.

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    1. I have a Doctorate in Theology from the Universal Life Church. The certificate cost me $29 dollars. Plus postage.

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    2. Yes, 7:16. Anyone who doesn't believe everything a weatherman tells you is obviously a fool. Say, I have this water rate increase I am selling. Would you be interested in buying?

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    3. You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows. Or is it the tree falls? I forget.

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    4. He's from the government. Of course he is right.

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    5. Remember, this article was written by Dean Lee. Probably edited by Harriet. There might be some fake news slipped in there to help with the water rate increase agenda.

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  3. Maybe city hall should have focused on cutting city expenses stating with city pensions and city health insurance plans and other perks. Just because cities like los angeles offers those and los angeles is also broke, why must we follow in their footsteps?

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  4. Someone wound their clock backwards before getting up in front of a political organization (special K group) and tries to deflect the real responsibility for Sierra Madre's Water Woos. And you can guess were this is going right back to good old City Hall, thank's for nothing.

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  5. I was at that meeting and I have challanged Patzert on his statements against "too many trees" on more than one occassion. This time he lamented his dead Japanese maple and admitted to the problem of wrong trees for the climate and glanced at me. He also chided the Kiwaniis (imagining them to be mostly Republican) for voting for the administration without a clue about climate changes. At a Sierra Club meeting last year his presentation on the slippery El Niño that did not come with enough punch to help Southern California, he stated that he was going "to have to enter the witness protection program..." because of the poor showing of El Niño. Patzert is a JPL Climatologist who had to be heard to understand the range of what he is talking about, lives in Sierra Madre so he is paying his water bill with the same consternation as the rest of us.

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    1. Patzert's agenda is to blame Republicans for our dying trees just as last time he spoke at the Kiwanis about El Nino and urged everyone to vote Democrat to stave off the effects of El Nino.

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  6. Tree City sign says 6 years, yet link shows 9 years. I say cut off the 6, turn it upside down, and place it back on the sign. Save the City money rather than purchasing an updated sign.

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    1. Yes, good idea. However, you know that to hire someone to cut the six off the sign will cost more than purchasing an updated sign. Plus you will have the added cost of hiring another person to place the 9 back on the sign. Government efficiency you know!

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    2. Tree City USA sends a free updated number. Fret not!

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    3. Guess ya gotta request it. So who is in charge of obtaining the FREE updated number sign? Must be someone at City Hall. I know that the employees are always so busy. What's three plus years behind?

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  7. 7:16 am. The Government backed golden parachute of Callers, is here to stay. Many with Doctorates and Esq. after their names, worked on an iron clad deal. Regular folk, not employed by the government,city, county are paying for our "neighbors" lifestyle after their age of fifty. Keep working.

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    1. Trump troll gotta infiltrate

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  8. Seven hundred thousands jobs have been created since President Trump has taken office.
    The US, will continue to lead in climate change, just not be held hostage from poor deals that were previously made from past administrations.
    Great stewards of our lands, and great energy producers.
    President Trump holds his first full cabinet meeting of his term.

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    1. Trump doesn't have a full cabinet. Rather than fill empty seats, Shankapotomus would rather go golfing.

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    2. Totally lame post. Paid troll

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    3. This morning the cable news networks dropped everything to focus on a Trump cabinet meeting, where nothing happened except for a staged photo-op and a round robin love fest so every cabinet member, including Mike Pence said their names and pledged fealty to King Trump.

      It was a bizarre scene out of some Junior High after-school group who had been punished and forced to go to detention. Part of their punishment was to praise their principal, clearly.

      Trump spoke for a few minutes about all of his imagined accomplishments, boasting about how well President Obama's economy is performing, (taking credit for it), and even citing great unemployment numbers that he repeatedly called fake during the presidential election.

      He finally turned to his propaganda round table and made each cabinet member state their names like children at a Motel Six seminar.

      Vice President Pence opened up by saying, "Thank you, Mr. President. The greatest privilege of my life to serve as vice president to a president who is keeping his word to the American people. and assembling a team that's bringing real change, real prosperity, real strength back to our nation."

      That's all Pence was allowed to say and Trump cut him off.

      Embattled Sessions groveled by saying how much law enforcement loves Trump..

      Labor Secretary Alex Acosta, opened up by saying, "Mr. President, my privilege to be here. Deeply honored. I want to thank you for your commitment to the American workers..."

      It went around like this for a long time.

      Towards the end, Reince Priebus became one of the major suck-ups in the room saying, "On behalf of the entire senior staff around you, Mr. President, we thank you for the opportunity and blessing you've given us to serve your agenda and the american people and we're continuing to work very hard every day to accomplish those goals."

      I'm speechless.

      There was no legislation passed or bills signed, just a planned photo op to try and change the media narrative away from Comey with a bizarre ode to Trump's ego thrown in for good measure.


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  9. There is plenty of water
    We just do not store enough of it in reservoirs.We need more dams to create lakes for recreation and water supply. It is not much more difficult than that - except for the politicians and activists and anarchists.

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    1. And the debt monkey bond traders.

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    2. There is not 'plenty of water' in Southern California. Many municipalities around the country are removing their dams because of the ecological damage they can cause. If you need water to recreate just go to the beach. Maybe you can read a book, and learn something while your recreating.

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    3. The money we are spending, (a lot of it Federal tax money, should be redirected to needed infrastructure projects. A good part of this areas water problems is found in leaky water pipes.. Reprocessed water should be "blue" piped for irrigation.

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    4. It is supremely offensive that we flush our toilets with drinking water.

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    5. You have to keep it clean for the pets.

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    6. Drinking water in the toilet bowl for the doggy has some residual poop clinging to the calcium ring thanks to our hard water. Keep the lid down and put some drinking water from your tap in the dog's own bowl.

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  10. We have lakes in California? I'll be Damn!

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  11. The Oak and Sycamore have deep roots, that can reach the underground streams running throuh Sierra Madre.

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    1. The sycamores grow tall along the Wabash.

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  12. Patzert, is a cocoon employee of JPL. Clinging to a government job, where "you" are not challenged in your golden years, as one would be in the public sector .

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  13. Trolls get trumped again!

    Donald Trump Maintains Losing Streak In Court Over His Travel Ban
    A federal appeals court refused to reinstate the president’s executive order stopping people from six Muslim-majority countries from entering the U.S.

    America already is Great.

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  14. Snow and winter warnings on the roads in Northern California today, yep; I would say the drought is over.

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    1. Read more and your revise your statement

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  15. In a sense,I agree with others about there being plenty of water. The state has avoided the problem of population growth in relation to infrastructure.
    More growth = more water = providing the water supply infrastructure.

    Instead of building a pie in the sky high speed rail line for the well off, how about increasing water storage for the population we have.
    We dodged a basket full of fertilizer this year, but what about the future?..
    We have an out of control government with its own priorities, and we definitely are not a part of them. The highest priority has been to growth while not looking for its costs and demands.
    This not a situation of one political party=good, versus another political party=bad. Anyone trying to make that the issue, does not change the problems we have.
    Having a reliable water source to deal with the cyclical water supply/demand will require billions of dollars for resolution with the current population level.
    In the meantime our one party government will snooze until the next time.....
    Enjoy your tap water.................................... while you have it.

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    1. Owens lake, just 4 hrs away, is so dry from feeding LA it was recently cited as the single largest source of dust pollution in the United States.

      Mulholland's curse continues.

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  16. Enjoy my tap water?, mine is BROWN, but brown water is better than NO WATER, I think?

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  17. If you want to add to your understanding of California's water woes, go online and find "The Great California Water Heist." There are water robber barrons at work to kill the water supply for the common folk. We are exporting water to China and elsewhere in the form of cash crops, one being almonds, that represent 1 gallon of water per almond. Then look up the water project where some water robbing barron wants to transport water from Cadiz out on the desert from underground aquifers into LA. As far as building more dams in canyons on sometimes flowing rivers, the operative word is sometimes. You cannot impound what is not there. Being smarter about water use is still going to dog us for years to come. You could drink the tertiary water (sewage cleaned up to the third level and potable) but we hav to get over the yuck factor. Remember what water you have had today in any form, coffee-tea-milk-juice-beer, was dianosaur pee once upon a time. I drought-plagued parts of West Texas they don't have time to put the water in the river and percolate it to pump out later, they are drinking teritiary water in some areas now.

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  18. 10:12am. The 9th Circus Court always sends in the clowns.

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    1. Exactly- they gonna help send the trump circus into prison. Then fools like you can send love letters to the inmates

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  19. Why can't our city get the same kind of deal those other cities have with the SGVMWD?

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  20. Why isn't water being diverted from the damn to the settling basins?

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    1. It goes there naturally. Water seeks the lowest level.

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  21. Last time I was behind the damn it was a sand patch with a sleeping rattlesnake

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  22. Mr. Capoccia will be at The Kiwanis lunch meeting tomorrow. That's your chance to ask him what is being done about the water bonds, or anything else you want to know. 12 noon at 33 Sierra Madre Blvd.

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    1. No thank you. I've heard enough backsliding, flip-flopping and double-talk from that guy to last me a lifetime.

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  23. The scientific illiteracy of this comment board today is astounding. Most will be dead by the time the selfish and ecologically ridiculous actions of these folks are felt by the next generation. But the intransigence and conceit of the citizens of this town is quite saddening, at least what is being represented at the Tattler today.

    For those that care to further their knowledge, I recommend buying or checking out 'Introduction to Water in California' in the CA Natural History Guides. Or just go to Bishop, CA and thank them for all their water. Mono Lake would be nice to see as well, before SM drains more of it to look like the countryside north of London.

    The climate is changing. Fires are increasing. Even the native trees in our forests are dying. Its time we act to change. Before its too late.

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    1. So tell us, self-proclaimed genius, what are we supposed to do? Cut down all of our trees and turn the place into a desert?

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    2. 2:29 must be Henderson.

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    3. 3:02- he just told you what to do- educate yourself, kid!

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    4. Actually 4:25, outside of name calling and overall incivility, the Susan soundalike said nothing at all. No surprise there.

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    5. For those that care to further their knowledge, I recommend buying or checking out 'Introduction to Water in California' in the CA Natural History Guides.

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    6. I have met water. I need no introduction.

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  24. Capoccia misses hearing himself talk, he looking into various outlets since he is not in the Mayor's seat.

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    1. There is another water rate increase in the horizon. That always gets Capoccia's mouth in gear.

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    2. Capoccia calls his water talk "The Real Deal." Which is funny. He hasn't told the truth about water rates in years.

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  25. 2:29pm. Well in the very least, all of us uninformed will be gone and therefore not contributing to the increase of "hot air"!

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    1. You're not contributing to it now because you live in a vacuum

      Troll

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  26. Trump To Call Off State Visit To Britain Unless People There Are Nicer To Him

    http://freakoutnation.com/2017/06/trump-to-call-off-state-visit-to-britain-unless-people-there-are-nicer-to-him/

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