Saturday, July 22, 2017

Quickly Spending the Friends of the Library's $100,000?

This also seems a little hasty. I believe after the last City Council get together the impression had been left on many that before going ahead there would be some meaningful public discussion held regarding the sale of the property the at risk Library now sits upon. Something that needed to be done before making any decision to move that building's heart, soul and pulpy contents to the YAC. Many concerned residents had been unhappily taken by surprise at the rushed revelation from two weeks ago that such a thing was even being considered.

So can anyone now explain for us this following equally undiscussed, very speedy, and quite distressingly abrupt, agenda announcement?


I don't want to get too country on you, but where I come from $100,000 is a lot of dough. And once having spent that kind of cash the community would be pretty much committed to going forward with whatever this largesse had been lavished upon.

Particularly if it is money that was raised by well-meaning volunteers with the purpose of helping save and preserve one of this community's most valued and beloved assets.

Not bulldozing it.

It certainly does take a lot of wine tasting to raise $100,000 dollars. Many grapes died to make this happen.


Spending that $100,000 this way, while it wouldn't legally commit the City of Sierra Madre to going through with the project, would certainly help create a certain psychological need to make it happen. Can't you hear all within earshot being told that we've already spent a lot of the Friends of the Library's money on this project, so how can we turn back now?

We have all seen public relations efforts aimed at creating before the fact process justifications. The DSP comes to mind. This would be kind of like that.

The community was told there would be a conversation. Rushing through a $100,000 spend of somebody else's hard earned cash, and as a summer vacation time Consent Calendar item no less (link), is not what was promised. If the City Council votes to send that $100,000 now, they are admitting that they have already made up their minds. In other words, they don't care what their constituents think.

I hate to sound too judgmental, but this all comes off as being more than a little downtown slick, and not transparent at all.

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90 comments:

  1. Time to move the library.

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  2. Who is buying the property? What will they be building? I'd like to have these questions answered first. We're only hearing half of the story. Can that be why this is being rushed through?

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    1. No matter what you hear, or who says it, it is always about the money.

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  3. It's almost like demolishing the building and then seeking the demolition permit. Maybe this will be one of Kefalas's projects.

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    1. True. There is definitely a precedent for after the fact approvals in town.

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  4. I bet their is already a buyer for the library property. Now they just need to create some cover for the sale.

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    1. Sure there is a buyer for the Library. It's all worked out in advance!

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  5. Didn't Goss say he would like to hear from the public regarding the Library proposal? Seems only logical too wait before spending such a large amount of the Friends' money. This feels like a slam dunk. Who cares about the public opinion?

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  6. At this rate Sierra Madre might as well pull up stakes and merge with an adjoining city? Who ever let this take place needs to be drawn a quartered or at leas keel hauled. This is just shameful.

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  7. What is the big rush? Is the Library is going to fall down tomorrow?

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  8. USS FORD Commissioned for Duty today.
    New Nuclear-Powered Aircraft Carrier.
    Peace Through Strength.

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    1. I hope nobody bumps their head.

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    2. Multi billion dollar boondoggle
      You're an idiot

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    3. "The keel of Gerald R. Ford was laid down on 13 November 2009.[2] Construction began on 11 August 2005, when Northrop Grumman held a ceremonial steel cut for a 15-ton plate that forms part of a side shell unit of the carrier.[13] She was christened on 9 November 2013."

      Huh. It all happened when Obama was president.

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    4. Thank You president Obama,peace through strength and honesty

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    5. The USS Gerald R. Ford is now forever tainted if indeed trump commissioned her.

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    6. He'll take credit. Watch.

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  9. Aircraft carriers are obsolete.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2017-06-28/how-america-s-aircraft-carriers-could-become-obsolete

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  10. Does this new invitation for construction mean the water shortage is over? If so let's proceed with the Monastery project.

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    1. Interesting point. Maybe the drought is over on the midwest side of Sierra Madre.

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  11. Aircraft carriers will never be obsolete. They are floating cities capable of many humanitarian functions.

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    1. interesting arctile

      sitting ducks for missiles

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  12. We talk about PRESERVATION of our town and now we up and move a city icon for money?? This is crazy thinking. The right thing to do hear is sell the lot and fix the existing library. Were a town of 10,000 and need to be smart and wise with what we do with our resources.

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    1. thats no more an icon that the darling house was historic

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    2. ICON?? Really. It's just a run down building. The front is charming, but the back and sides are ugly and have NO architectural details. That ugly building would never get passed by our Planning Commission today. The back and sides remind me of the ols skilled nursing facility.

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    3. It may not be up to your architectural standards, 12:45, but it serves its purpose. There's nothing so bad that it requires to tear it down and replace it with R3 development.

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    4. Skilled Nursing Facillity?, Well you got rid of that too!
      Ps. It is an ICON

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  13. Building a new library next to the YAC and ball fields does not compute. That move will create more congestion in an already crowded area of our city. This does not look like a professionally thought out plan. Who is pushing this and were does the city not loose on this??? By City and mean us resident tax payers.

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    1. The current library has limited parking also.

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    2. Very rarely, 12:48. I am usually there at least once a week, at all different hours, and there's always room in the back, or on the street in front. Doesn't start to compare with what goes on at the YAC.

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  14. Huh? The idiot said that the Library is a multi billion dollar boondoggle?
    The Friends of the Library may spend "their" monies any way they see fit. Planning ahead to keep a Library in Sierra Madre.
    All options are open for discussion.

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    1. More proof that you don't have to know how to read to love the Library.

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    2. Here's an option: leave the library where it is so that people will be able to use it. There is no parking, often, at the YAC.

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    3. Multi billion dollar boondoggle? I thought they were talking about the aircraft carrier.

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    4. 9:28 is a kookamongus.

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  15. Wouldn't $100,000 fix a lot of what needs to be done at the current library? None of this makes much sense. It has to be the sale of the property that is driving this.

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    1. Sounds like it would help. That, and selling off the back lot, that the city turned from income property into nothing.

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    2. $100 K would go a lot farther if unions weren't required to do the work.

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  16. Have we heard from the preservation group and who is looking over the spread sheet so we know the financial details. Whoa Nellie, what is going on here??? City Hall here we go.

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  17. The city's financial problems are so much more serious than we are being told. The Friends know this. They realize that they only have two choices, shut the down for good or move it to the YAC. They have to rush this through or by by library. They are doing what is best if you want a library.

    The current library site will become a condominium project. That is the properly zoned use.

    There is water service there now so the water moratorium doesn't apply.

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    1. I agree. But here is the big question. Why won't the city level with the residents about Sierra Madre's financial crisis? Why not tell the truth instead of creating all these BS scenarios?

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    2. It's not moving to the YAC,they want to construct a new building near the YAC moving to the existing space would be good building a new library is stupid.
      There is one meter there,I assume,maybe 2-3 not enough water for a commercial or residential project.

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    3. The city refuses to tell the truth about its debt crisis because those responsible would lose their cotton picking minds.

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  18. With city money being what it is I think we need a CFA's evaluation of the Library situation.

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  19. This has Stockley-Buchanan-Doyle written all over it. We need to know what exactly is to become of the property before anything is spent. This is not good.

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    1. 9:42, You took the words right out of my mouth!

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    2. Agreed 9:42. The destructive over-pro-development trio.
      Doyle, however, may actually be gone, though I'm sure he loves advising his former puppets.

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    3. Doyle, may be gone from Sierra Madre but I heard he's like a snow bird 6 months here, 6 months there.

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  20. This Library size and location is just right for our town of 11,000. What bill of goods is being sold here? Is this library group on drugs or something, maybe too much wine. Their thought process is not within in keeping of our beautiful little town. My daughter loved going there and I enjoyed the park like feel from the street, very inviting.

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  21. Just what our town needs. Two major construction jobs going on in town. Out with the green grass and lovely library. Bulldoze it all down to dust and rebuild something new. This is just ridiculous, is this from our new city manager or is this from the past manager who didn't manage very well???

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    1. No matter who the city manager is, the same old school insiders have all the say.

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    2. 9:55, direct your ire at the Library Board.

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  22. The Y has a contract with the city. Is it through 2018? If the library is to go in the main room now used for activity classes where would those classes go?

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    1. It's called break the contract!

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    2. The contract expires in 2019.

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    3. 2019 is the year Sierra Madre has to finally start paying down the principal on its 2003 water bonds. Millions of dollars.

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  23. New condos would not be able to get by on one water meter. This is a problem for water conservation where older condos do not have individual meters.

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    1. Yep. Each condo needs its own water meter. The water moratorium will soon be lifted. Open the floodgates.

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    2. There are also ways to get exceptions.

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    3. Sure. Ask Kefalas. Different rules for different folks.

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    4. No problem with the water meter situation.....one main meter and then sub meters are used.

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  24. If this is the only way Sierra Madre can have a Library, then our elected officials have to clearly spell out why that is. Cut the ridiculous crap and tell the truth.

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  25. That YAC building is by far the ugliest building in town and looks like it may tip over at any time,it needs to be bulldozed if anything. How did such a monstrosity come to be with our tax dollars?

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    1. suburban mediocrity

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    2. Wasn't that a Doyle deal?

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    3. They took park/open space money and federal funds. Can't tear it down unless the Feds are paid back.

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    4. Actually Dr Sammys is the ugliest building.

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    5. There were some shenanigans that involved taking money from open space and redirecting it. There's also a famous death trap elevator in there. Plus some kind of scandal about structural deficiencies.

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    6. Federal money. Like with the water bonds?

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    7. Feds know they're going to turn it into a Library?

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    8. 12:57, You win, Dr. Sammy's is the ugliest building in town!

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    9. Kind of looks like a Howard Johnson Motor Lodge. Must be that orange roof.

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  26. 12:50. Union wages pay for the goods or services that your employer sells, thus paying your wages. Those higher union wages also pay more in taxes than lower non-union wages, decreasing your tax bill.

    If you disagree, you're free to move to a "right to work for lower wages in unsafe conditions" state.

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  28. 2:09. Hahaha. Those union wages make govt projects cost more so everyone has to pay more in taxes. Govt employee unions are the worst.

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  29. Life is tubular so live it

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  30. Which architectural firm will get the business to do this initial work?

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    1. My quests is Onyx. They seem to get all the city contracts for architecture.

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    2. Remember the library "replacement" around the time of the Dreadful Specific Plan? That was resident Fred Wesley and PBWS architects in Pasadena.
      http://www.pbws.com/municipal.html

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  31. Question: When you paid your $60 to attend a Friends of the Library wine tasting, did you think your money would be used for something like this?

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    1. Reposting my comment from this A.M. Looks like it didn't post.
      My neighbor said his family donates to the Friends of the Library. He didn't know anything about the selling of the Library. Was upset!

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  32. It's the adults that control the library. The adults have their own little click and they want more room to do adult stuff not kid stuff. That library group "dirts" have been trying to turn Sierra Madre into a Glendale city for years. You can see that when you look at who owns the business and what they charge for rent. I know some of the owners but I don't know how to get a list of them, it sure would be interesting to see who is pushing for new construction.

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  33. Anyone see Dunkirk yet?

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  34. Follow the money 4:51.

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    Even though Trump pledged to save jobs at the Carrier plant late last year, the company this week laid off 300 employees in what is expected to be just the first round of layoffs.

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  36. You do know that in order to properly evaluate the new building or repairing the old, you need plans and engineering and historic resource surveys and possibly EIR's. all these things cost money. So yes you need to spend money so the options can be properly evaluated and then debated.

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    1. $100,000 is a lot of money. Is it possible that the city could first explain why all of that needs to be spent? Is that too much to ask?

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