Monday, August 14, 2017

SMFD's Employee Association: Is It Engaging In A Labor Action?

Cee Lo's favorite volunteer Fire Department
Mod: Recently I posted an article here called "Is It Sierra Madre Tax Raising Deja Vu All Over Again?" You can link to that here. Nothing against the Sierra Madre Fire Department, they work hard and do an incredible job for Sierra Madre. Along with the paramedic services the city is fortunate to have them. I mean, the next time you're having a heart attack you'll be happy to see them, I'm am sure. However, and while receiving almost no news from City Hall about what has been happening, or at least not yet, there has been a possible negotiation going down regarding salaries and benefits for a fire department that until recently had been a volunteer one.

All in a city currently challenged by its considerable debt, which is at the heart of the problem. As it is with the Library, the past City Councils that created Sierra Madre's crushing water bond and CalPERS exposure continue to do a lot of damage to some of this city's most beloved institutions.

This topic has apparently been agendized for a City Council meeting next month, so it is time to start getting ready. It could get wild. With all of that said, an interesting conversation broke out last week in the comments to that post last week, and I thought I should repost it here today.


Mod: As we have all seen in previous negotiations of this kind, especially with the SMPD, the emphasis by the employee association was always on the services provided and how essential it is that they continue, and not about the money. But if it is not about the money, then what is it really about?

Why would City Hall be talking about contracting out for these services if it wasn't about the potential for savings?

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33 comments:

  1. I thought Sierra Madre had a volunteer fire department. Or do they all want to ride the gravy train too?

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    1. It's no longer a fully volunteer fire dept. But here is a thought for everyone who is complaining about having to pay for fire protection. How about all of you volunteering to be on the department and spend your weekends in training at no pay. Make sure that you have a job near Sierra Madre and you can leave your job on a minutes notice.

      Some areas have a subscription for fire protection. If you chose not to have it and your house is on fire, the fire department will show up to protect the property of subscription members.

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  2. Let's see. It's not the fault of the bond debt. Not the fault of the CalPERS debt. Not the fault of the elected officials that made stupid financial gambles. It's a blog's fault for talking about it. Yeah, that's it!

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  3. Stepping back and taking a long drawn out look at this from afar, the buck stops at the city managers desk and his/her minions who carried out their orders of failure? Failure what is this all about, just look around at all the financial problems facing Sierra Madre if conservative financial regulation's had been instituted and followed then their would be not problem in Sierra Madre now.

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  4. The days of volunteers are over. It was great while it lasted. Now is just a matter of money.

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  5. It is obvious 6:38 hasn't a clue of the type of job the FD does and all the constant training that goes into performing a Firefighter/EMT's job. You can't compare the FD with the PD, two totally different jobs and mind set. You would think that a department that saves lives and property like the Fire Department does would get better support from a community, the kind of support like the Library gets. People don't think about their safety, that's why they have seat belt laws and smoke detector laws. I don't and haven't worked on the SMFD but I have seen them working and know how good a job they do. Our FD is running very efficient and takes advantage of every money saving opportunity they can. I could go on and on about how bad the FD has been treated over the years and how the past City Manage treated that department.

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    1. Yep. Sounds like a labor action.

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    2. Again. It is a non prophet Association not a labor union. Not even an issue. Don't fall for the Tattler Fake News Hype.

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    3. Non prophet? You mean like a "No Moses" zone?

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    4. No like raising money for local charities, events, sick or injured firefighters and families, funerals, appliances or station furniture etc. There are no labor attorneys or negotiators. Not is there an MOU. We are non union city employees. Does that answer your question?

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    5. Then why is this going before the city council in September?

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  6. 7:26, don't be too quick comment here. The SMFD as I can see has run a good operation at far less then any city around. Maybe the new manager is open to hearing other options and ideas, and there are a few.

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  7. The residents voted yes by over 70% to raise the UUT so the PD could continue. Now everyone else wants to get a piece of that as well.

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    1. Nobody has said anything about UUT or money. Just a change in response model.

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    2. It is always about the money. Especially when people are saying it isn't.

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  8. Labor action is not always a bad thing. Labor actions when your dealing with lives can be to the benefit of the public, you know, the tax payers. When your dealing with saving lives with a quick response and well trained personnel your talking about the very heart of what a city is responsible for providing to the community. Remember this, to raise taxes you hit them up where it hurts, safety, education and in our case, water, see a pattern here I hope. Until proven wrong I think this City Manager is going to be a lot better than the last and he's going to get things done.

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  9. Geez nothing but bitter depressing people commenting here today.

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    1. Uh oh. A behavior nanny.

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  10. That is not all true 8:30, dig a little deeper for all the facts then what will you be thinking?

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    1. Can you share some of the facts you are alluding to?

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  11. look, we NEED professional firemen/paramedics (1.5 mil homes and an aging community) the days of volunteers are loooong gone. There is not one single SM resident who volunteers for SMFD. The dept has a few guys who vol once a week (most are from OC waiting/training til they get a full time paid job at a big dept.) but, besides the full time captains/chief, 90% are paid part timers. We want to live in LA county, we are going to have to join the 21st century. Not to compare our FD and PD, but our FD ambulance is often busy handling 911 calls! (my buddy who works there says the kensington seems to love calling lol) Lets make SMFD a full time professional firefighting organization. I paid alot of money to buy here, i dont want some fat volly guy showing up when my home on grandview is in flames. sorry, honest truth.

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    1. See this is how SM falls apart. First they say we need to build the Kensington for taxes. So now we need to pay more as the Kensington makes too many emergency calls. Then we will need to open up the 1 Carter project to pay for the Fire Department. Then we will need a new tax to pay for the excess water usage. It never ends with these people... Open up your wallet or else!

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    2. Don't forget the sale of the Library property.

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  12. So sad the greed that has taken over this town.

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  13. If your house was on fire, you wouldn't care what it cost to keep the FD close and ready. Just like the fire doesn't care if these guys get a paycheck or not. How many of you remember the firestorms of '93, and our ALL VOLUNTEER department kept our homes AND the monastery safe?
    It wasn't this administration that made it impossible for the department to stay all volunteer. That door was opened after Chief Tracy left.

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  14. 12:07 is uneducated and insulting. That fat person you insulted is naturally that way due to his heritage. Bet that big dude could carry 2 of you out of a burning building. That is the problem with people commenting here. They don't know what they think they know, in other words, you don't know what your talking about.

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    1. Again, can you tell me what you think the facts are? You keep saying that other people don't know about some of the things you believe are important, but you never say what they are. You're getting a little tiresome.

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  15. I know one fact,as home prices increase in value everything gets more expensive. The area gentrifies,the residents cash out and leave or find ways to save,new people come and the cycle goes on and on. Death and Taxes,Young to Old,Blood and Soil,life goes on.....

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    1. "Blood and soil." OK, stormtrooper.

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  16. I'm tiresome to you is saying the fact is that in the fire service members have a standard that they have to meet to get on the job and continue on the job. Whether your paid or not there are requirements you must maintain to do the job. You are required to maintain a level of proficiency and skills. You are employed to save lives not take lives.

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    1. Sure. But the city cannot afford another layer of fulltime paid employees.

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  17. Gone are the Volunteer Fire personnel, chased out by paid staff.
    If the Department can be maintained as a "training" facility where personnel can "earn" their hours required from the State; the Chief should be paid for submitting required paperwork.
    Paramedics also should work for "earned" hours only, if not than contract outside the city for paramedic services.
    The City is required to operate as a full service city under state law, but that doesn't mean that the services need to be provided by the city; contract out.
    Kenniston Senior Housing can call for outside paramedic transport.

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  18. Love Ceelo's music. His mom was a Volunteer Firefighter back in their hometown.

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